Success isn’t just about numbers—it’s about alignment, ambition, and legacy. When I sat down with Kathryn Porritt, we explored what it truly takes to step into the highest version of yourself and dominate your space. From personal branding to pricing at a premium level, we broke down how to shift your mindset, claim your expertise, and build something that lasts. If you're ready to play at the top, this episode will challenge you to think bigger, act boldly, and create a brand that stands out.

Highlights:

00:48 - Introduction: The Power of Owning Your Success

Why stepping into your power and claiming your expertise is essential for next-level growth.

04:32 - Breaking Free from the Need to Win

How chasing success for the sake of winning can lead to burnout and what to do instead.

08:02 - What It Takes to Scale Beyond Seven Figures

The truth about hard work, strategy, and the mindset shift required to break past financial ceilings.

11:51 - Personal Branding vs. Legacy Branding

The difference between simply standing out and creating an enduring, high-value brand.

15:37 - Identity Crisis After Business Success

What happens when you sell or step away from your business and how to navigate the transition.

20:07 - Rebuilding After a Career Shift

How to rediscover your purpose after leaving a high-level role or selling a business.

23:28 - The Secret to Premium Pricing and Luxury Branding

Why positioning yourself at the top of the market is the best move for long-term success.

27:47 - Overcoming Self-Doubt in Business and Leadership

How to develop deep certainty in your skills and own your space in the industry.

31:02 - The Future of Business: Volume vs. Luxury Models

Why businesses today must choose between mass appeal or high-end exclusivity.

34:07 - Final Thoughts: Make a Bold Move Now

Why waiting for the “perfect” time holds you back, and how to start building your legacy today.

About Our Guest: 

Kathryn Porritt is the world’s leading personal brand expert and the visionary strategist behind some of the most successful and influential entrepreneurs globally. With a focus on helping ingenious innovators elevate their businesses to become the most expensive in their niches, Kathryn inspires the greatest minds to create iconic empires.

Her exclusive clientele includes top celebrities, CEOs, consultants, authors, speakers, and experts who have transformed their businesses by leveraging her Iconic Business Strategy. Through her guidance, they not only command luxury-level pricing but also refine their messaging, embody their most powerful style, and attract their ideal clients. Kathryn’s clients consistently sell ultra-premium offers and close life-changing deals.

Kathryn doesn’t just provide strategies; she fosters greatness in the world’s most gifted individuals. Known for drawing out expansive visions from the most genius creators, she walks side by side with her clients to bring their dreams to life. As an investor and co-creator of groundbreaking ideas, Kathryn leads a team of the greatest creatives on the planet to build legacy businesses that disrupt entire industries.

Her work has left an indelible mark on some of the most transformative businesses and influential personal brands, ensuring that her clients not only step into their greatness but create legacies that will endure for generations to come.

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Website: https://www.iconicinfluencers.com/ 

Website: https://www.kathrynporritt.com/

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There's a thing in Australia we talk about the tall poppy syndrome, which is, don't you dare stand out too much, because you'll get your will, will cut you down to size. And so it's really important that I can the

tall poppy syndrome. That's great,

yeah, yeah, but it's so it's so true. So I have to work a bit harder for those, not from the States, but seeing that certainty and seeing that person really own it, not in an arrogant way, but in a real like I I have absolute, deep certainty about where I'm going and what I'm doing, and really those two things in combination with an ambition to there's a real ambition to impact the world.

Welcome to the ReLaunch podcast. I'm your host, Hilary DeCesare, and today I gotta say there are people that you meet in life and you just connect. And you know, there's going to be so much power between the two of you, so much energy, off the charts, excitement around the person I have on today, because I had the privilege, over a year ago to meet her, and I've had the privilege to work with her, she has tapped into what I like to call my own genius of where I really ultimately light up. And isn't that what we all really want in our lives, when we're not just personally being able to light ourselves up, but professionally and moving those two together. And so today, I am joined by Katherine Porat, the world's leading personal brand expert. Katherine helps actual elite entrepreneurs, celebrities and influencers build iconic empires. And how does she do this by commanding luxury pricing and creating lasting legacies. And in this episode, we're going to dive deeper into Kathryn's biggest relaunch that actually impacted her and shaped her and created who and what she is doing today, she's going to talk about her strategies that have helped elevate her brand other people's brands, and you're going to be able to walk away and really understand what it takes to dominate your niche. So let's dive in. Kathryn It's so good to have you. Oh, we

have been planning this forever, and it's one of those things I've been so looking forward to you have interview skills like no one else that I've ever met. And so I'm a little, I have to say, a little scared about what you could ask today,

this is the part where you know what we are going to break through all of those the walls that sometimes we put up and share with the listeners out there what they're ultimately wanting to know, and that is who you really are, what, what, what drives you, what creates success. So we're going to go all into that. But first and foremost, I really want to talk about that significant relaunch that sets you to where you are right now. It was like, you know, the dominoes that fell. So let you know, let's go and take me back to the most significant relaunch in your career so far to date.

Yeah, there's so many of them. I've been thinking about this quite a lot, but I think there's one particular one that really set me on this path, and that was so I was running what was a reasonably large Australian business that I had founded and created in my 20s. That, in and of itself, is a conversation, because my husband's a diplomat. I was running it from overseas and coming back to Australia and all the things. But I remember, we're about nine and a half years in. My kids had grown up in that business. We had all the success that you could think. You know, from the outside looking in, it was remarkable. I'd just had a book come out, and I was on TV and did all the things, and I remember standing in the warehouse, and I just had this overwhelming feeling of this isn't right anymore. This isn't actually what I want. And that was a terrifying moment of true like real honesty, because I. Think up until that point, Hilary and I know that you and a lot of the people that are listening to this will understand this as a highly competitive, ambitious person. I'd fallen into the trap of winning for the sake of winning, and not really thinking through is this actually what I want, not really investigating questions. So when I think about your very pointed question about what was that moment that changed everything? It was that realization that this wasn't right to me anymore. Now I was lucky enough to go through an exit with that company, and I was able to to divest, and then go on to try another couple of things. But it was really that moment that I went, Okay, this, this isn't quite right. And then I spent the next couple of years working out what wasn't quite right about it, and allowing myself the time and the the focus to really think about what I did, in fact, want to do from there, and that's when this business came to be, and it is the complete and utter opposite of what I was doing last time. Okay, very intentionally, very

go into that. Yes, yes. Interesting that you said winning for the sake of winning, right? We get, you know, I on the prize, I on the prize, and we just go steam rolling ahead. And what was it that really wasn't in alignment with what you knew? And I call it, you know, highest self, the best version of you three. HQ, the headquarters of you, where you have your head and your heart working in unison. What was it about what you were doing before that fell off?

I think there's a number of different things. When I really look at who I am, I was I had this. I often say to people who work with me, I'm the most competitive non athlete that you'll ever meet, and so that that's really innate in me. I have such a competitive strike I like to win, which makes me a great business partner and all of those things. But I'd sacrificed so many personal things on the way to winning that prize, and I think it comes down to, did I really need to prove myself to anyone anymore? And what was I sacrificing in order to continue to prove it to people that really fantastic. Lovely to have them in my world. But they didn't matter. Ultimately, the people whose opinions really did matter were my husband, my parents, my children who'd grown up in a business and seen their mum, you know, work herself to the bone. So ultimately, it came down to a realization that I had nothing left to prove. I'd proven myself to myself and the people that mattered most to me, and now I had the very privileged I was in that privileged position to then make a decision about, okay, I realize I am that ambitious person who's probably going to want to win for the rest of her life. Where do I put that focus so that it elevates my family and it allows me to focus on things like my health and my friendships and my family and as well as my wealth and as well as my my career.

You know, it's interesting. I am right now. Have an opportunity to talk to a tremendous amount of seven figure business women and so many of the conversations are around, it's not what I have, it's what I had to give up to get here. And when you think about your success, and I love that, that you know you're you're competitive, but not in that athletic sense, right? What about you? Do you think it has that if you were to talk to someone who is a millionaire in the making wants so desperately to crack into that next level, what would you say you have to really be doing to build what you have innately in yourself that you know the competitive but what? How do you explain what you have inside to others?

I'm probably going to say the thing that's not quite popular at the moment. And I know there's a lot of there's a lot of word on the. Street about you can manifest millions and just think it to be it, and all of those sorts of things. And I would love to think that life is that simple, and I know that there's science behind all of that. I have some clients that are exceptional in this area. However, my strong belief is that at the beginning of your career. If you are sub seven figures, and you want to get to that seven figures, you're going to have to sacrifice some things, and you're going to have to work incredibly hard. It's after you've got to it's an arbitrary number, but let's call it the seven figures that you've got yourself in a position where you understand what's going to take you to that next level, where you're where you excel, where there's opportunity to build team, where there's opportunity to drop things that aren't working and optimize your processes and optimize Your business, where you can get more pointed with targeting, pricing, those sorts of things. And I don't think that there is a an easy way for you to go from zero to a million. I think you must focus and you must work very, hard. I saw a post the other day someone had asked a similar question about becoming a billionaire. If I did, if I just work, can I become a billionaire? And Elon Musk's first wife actually answered the thread. It's that this has been going around social media. It was a wonderful response, and it was effectively, I'm sorry, but that's not enough. You know, there is you will need to behave in a way that is almost inhuman to be able to achieve that level of success. So I suppose in answering your question in the unpopular way. But what I've what I know to be true, is that you are going to have to work very, very hard, and you're going to have to have your eye on the prize to get to that million after that. I think there's a really interesting question for you to ask, which is the one that I've asked myself and I asked my clients, and that is, what level of success Do you want after that? Because not everyone should be aiming for $100 million not everyone should be a billionaire. Not everyone should even be aiming for 10 million sometimes, you know, a a well structured business at a million that's very profitable and is has some ease and flow to it that you can continually optimize, and that brings you joy, that can be a really great outcome. So I think it's at that moment you will have to work to get to a level of success. And then it's at that level. Really think about what do you really want from here? And I think we've got more choice on us than any other time in history. It's so easy to create businesses. It's so easy to find market anywhere in the world. It's so it's relatively easy to be creative about what it is that you want to put your time and effort into and create that level, first level of success. It's the second tier that I would say, be very, very contemplative about what it is that you want from there.

You know, it's interesting what you're saying, because it's bringing up so many clients that I've worked with that did not have the clarity. They had a number in mind that they wanted to reach, and there's no real reason that they picked the number. It was just, this is the number. This is when I think I've made it. And then, you know what happens? You get to something close to the number, or, you know, maybe you've blown that number, you know, sky high, and you still don't have the content. It's the divine discontent. My grandmother used to call it, and so when I look at somebody like you that was willing to say, Hey, this is not it's not fulfilling anymore, and you chose to start to unravel. And as you said, you know, you put the pieces in place, not so much unravel. You probably built this thing up to sell, and then you made it happen. And then you took some time. And I want to know from when you stop, there's always that moment of, I call it an identity crisis. You go from being so in it to I'm not in it. In fact, I'm no longer a part of it at all, and nobody is really interested in me and anymore, because I'm not in that role. How did you handle that? And what were your. His takeaways from that period of time. Oh, hi, Larry.

We've never talked about this, but you so know me so well. I did unravel. I really did. You're so right. And it is what I see with so many of my clients as well. They, most of the people that I work with, have been through an exit of or some, you know, they've got to the pinnacle of success, and then they're looking for Impact and legacy. So it's the same it's the same journey. Those first couple of years after you exit a business or retire from being an athlete or whatever it might be they are, there's a big unraveling that happens because your identity has been so caught up in getting you from A to Z, and you've made it, and you've got everything that you wished for, and then you walk away from it, and it's like, who are you? Particularly when you are one of those people who have built up a lot of success, you've got a team around you, people are asked, you know you're relied upon, and suddenly you're not. So I did go through a crisis of identity for a couple of years. I went and actually took some jobs. I worked at friends for about a year as his CMO, and helped him build to sell as well. And that was really, really fun. And then I went on to do another role similarly to that. And then realized I really did not want to work for someone else as much as I loved those experiences. That was the last thing that I wanted was to be, you know, coming into an office and having to work these hours and, you know, and having to work to a KPI, and I don't, that's not me. I did not want to do that. So I knew, through action and activity that absolutely it wasn't going to be I'm going to take on a CEO role and help build someone else's dream. I knew that I needed to focus on being an entrepreneur and giving myself more time, but building this in a way that was completely the antithesis of what I built before. So it wasn't unraveling. It was incremental. There was not some moment where I went, Oh, this is it revelation. I have the answer. I really had to do some work on myself. And I wish I knew people like you here, Hilary at that time, to have really had deeper, richer conversations around what I was going through to help make those decisions. I went through it by myself, which was silly, and I would not recommend that to anyone, because it's very difficult to diagnose yourself and ask yourself those questions.

So so interesting. It's difficult to diagnose yourself, isn't that the truth? Yeah, you know, there's something that you said that I want to go back, because I think it is so important for people to really understand from the outside we all can look like one thing, and in the inside we just, you know, we're crumbling. We're not that strong person. We're just trying to get by, right? We're just trying to make it just and I remember I left Oracle, and I started another company with a gal, white space Inc, and I did it for about four or five years, and then I went through a divorce, I had melanoma, and I was just I felt lost, completely lost. I felt like, had I made a mistake? Should I never have left that, you know, that corporate role, or I was at the pinnacle when I left, and so it was like, kind of like, what when you're looking back on the feeling of you that you had and the lessons that those couple years before you kind of finally got back on the right path, what were the biggest lessons that you really did take away from that, that you're leveraging right now?

Um, I think I had to give I had to learn to give myself space to do other things, other than work. That was that's

hard for women like us, huh?

Really hard. And that's, yeah, I still struggle with that quite a bit. I still feel like not when I'm going out and spending time with my kids. They're at a much easier age now. They're 17 and 19, so hanging out with them and going to their soccer games and things is a like, it's super fun. But there, I really had to learn to like myself, who I am. I really, I didn't have hobbies. I didn't thank goodness my girlfriends are very, very forgiving and open. Her arms back up to me and went, where have you been for 10 years? But I really had to learn all of those skills again. You know, my socializing was at work, at networking events, with partners, etc. It just was, yeah, I did nothing but work. And so I had to, I think that's probably the best way to describe it. I had to learn who I was, what I wanted to be when I wasn't sitting in front of a computer or at a desk. So I wanted to spend my time, it's quite discombobulating, picking up a book so pleasure,

like myself. You said, Yeah, to like myself. Yeah, I have something right now that we have available for people that's called relaunch. Date yourself. Nice, yeah, and if you think about it, liking yourself. Sometimes people say you got to love yourself, love yourself, and for a while is like, I didn't like myself. How am I going to jump and cross the chasm to love it? I gotta, I gotta start small. I gotta just, you know, oh, small baby steps. How did you do that? How did you start that process of liking yourself again. It's

just a momentum thing, right? I think you can't just sit there, or I'm certainly not that person who can sit there and just analyze myself in quiet. I'm an action person, and I always recommend that to my kids, to my clients, that if to make a decision, just get into action. It's in the activity that you will the answer will appear. So it was really just throwing myself out there, having getting out there, and seeing my girlfriends again, and dating my husband. You know, we hadn't, hadn't done that for a really long time, getting out and involved in the kids schools and being signing up for a gym membership and hiring a PT. And you know, was in the it was in the action that those decisions were made, same as I was saying about the career. It was had to try different things in order to know what it was not so that that was really the answer. So

now you are moving into creating something that you really ultimately are aligned with, the head, the heart. They're coming together. How did, how did that come to fruition? What you're working on right now, because it does, it lights you up. You're so good at it, but tell us, like, how did the pieces come together? Well,

it wasn't at all, as I say, an epiphany. It was interestingly, I found this person on Facebook who I thought was an amazing, amazing teacher, who seemed to be living this life that I thought was amazing, and she was in the States, and she was running a retreat, and so I reached out to her, and I said, Oh, I'd love to come along, paid the money. Caught myself on a plane, off I went. It happened to be one of the worst experiences of my life in terms of the execution of the retreat itself. However, it put me around some people that thought bigger than I was thinking, and it exposed me to some pretty extraordinary people who were stuck in their careers, and I could see a bigger vision for them than they could see for themselves. And we started talking about that, and then talking about taking that expertise and turning it into a commercial platform outside of their, you know, their the career that they've been stuck in. And these people were mostly in the medical field and really looking to get out of that clinical life. And that's that was the moment. It was in that action, heading off to that retreat, meeting these exceptional women that got me started, and they became my first clients. They're still great friends today. And again, it was not that I went into it saying, Oh, well, what we're going to do is we're going to take these personal brands and we're going to turn them into these luxury brands. It was in working with these masterful first clients that I went, heck, you know, we can't just be building out little funnels and passive income streams and little webinars and things. So this is these are exceptional people, and I want to put my time and effort into exceptional people and help them commercialize. So it was definitely seeing an. Opportunity in a moment, and then opening my eyes to it, and then taking that opportunity and running with it, that set me on this path, and I really have not looked back from there. It's just, it's just been momentum has built so beautifully after that. So it's been, been a great journey, really fun. Let's have,

let's have some fun here. All right, you are meeting with a client, and as you said, you're, you're not interested in the small stuff. You are like, go big, go home, yeah, just that, that's your client. Just like, come on, you know, stop, stop thinking small. Yeah. So you have this first conversation with them. And what are you really looking for down deep in the person that you know? This is a person that I can help, that I can execute the long term plan that you know you have, that you're so gifted around coming up with, you know, what? What goes through your head? What? What lets you know, like, bing, bing, bing, bing. That one

amazing. A lot of it's intuition. But if I really had to, if I, if I had to give you the sort of tactical things, the checklist that I'm looking for, I'm looking for someone who is absolutely the best in the world at what they do. And without hesitation, they want to spend the rest of their life further mastering that craft, because that's what it takes to be, you know, an icon. You can't just be static. You can't just rest on I've got my MBA, and I'm really good at blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, you've gotta grow. People pay you to grow, and so you need to be the best at what you do. It's not to be I'm the best at personal development in the world. It can be a very small niche, but you are the best at it. There is no one that can touch you, and you're interested in continuing to grow that craft. The second thing that I'm looking for is a level of certainty around that. And it's funny, I've met so many people from so many different walks of life and so many different countries and cultures over time. I love particularly working with Americans, because there's an innate sense of acceptance of your gift, and, you know, there's not a lot of humbleness that you're, you know, it's nice. It's really nice to to meet people who like, to risk and like and have confidence and own who they are. I'm good at this. And I'm, you know, I can get these outcomes. Love that. It's a little trickier when you've got a background like we do in Britain or Australia or New Zealand, where it's been beaten into us to be humble. And so I've gotta work a little bit harder with people from those places, to try and extract that from them, and then get them to unlearn those, you know, the and learn a lot of those cultural things that we've had beaten into us about dumbing ourselves down, watering ourselves down, don't, you know, don't stand out too much. There's a thing in Australia we talk about the tall poppy syndrome, which is, don't you dare stand out too much, because you'll get you will will cut you down to size. And so it's really important that I can tall

poppy syndrome. That's great, yeah,

yeah, but it's so it's so true. So I have to work a bit harder for those, not from the States, but seeing that certainty and seeing that person really own it, not in an arrogant way, but in a real like I, I have absolute, deep certainty about where I'm going and what I'm doing, and really those two things in combination With an ambition to there's a real ambition to impact the world. I do meet a lot of people who look at my what I do, and they're attracted to me because of the numbers, as we talked about at the beginning of this conversation, those great big numbers are not interesting to me. They're just a great outcome that we were able to achieve with our clients, because they have those two qualities that I was talking about at the beginning here, and that enables me to make them the one in their category and connect them to people who will pay them at that level. It's not the number that I'm interested in, it's the impact. It's the what legacy Do you really want to build? I know you're really interested in that as well, and the exploration of those conversations, that's what gets me interested. But you have to tick those couple of boxes first for me to be able to get to that legacy conversation. Then the fun begins, right? So

I always think. View as cutting edge. I like to say that the relaunch brand is also it's not the past that you're thinking about. It's the future. It's where we're going. And when you think about your next relaunch, what's going to be significant for you, and where is Kathryn going? Yeah, I'm

really excited right now. You've caught me in a moment where we are relaunching our brand, and so you you really got to the quick of something that has attracted a lot of people to me over time that I'm very respectful of them and would love to see them, you know, have all sorts of success. But if you're just coming to me because you're interested in how we turn a $20,000 thing into a million dollar thing, that's not, that's not what I'm here for. And so we're rebranding under become the most expensive, and moving outside of just personal brands to some other areas that we've had a lot of success with. For example, working with interior designers, and we've worked with financial planners, we've worked with service providers consultants across defense and aerospace and all sorts of interesting areas. So we're taking what we've we've been able to achieve so well with personal brands. That doesn't mean I'm not working with them. I'm going to continue to work there with elite experts. But also take again thinking about impact. How can we transition what we're doing there into other niches and other industries and other humans who are looking to impact the world in the most extraordinary way and build their build their legacy brand. So it becomes a heritage brand. So it becomes, you know, this dominating force for many, many decades to come. So you've got me in this moment of relaunch and excitement and expansion and thinking big and innovation and growth. So I'm really excited right now.

Well, it's so great, and so it leads in nicely to if I were to say, I am, I am. Finish that. Finish that for your for who you are and where you're going.

I'm Kathryn part, and I am really happy with who I am.

Oh, listen to what you just did with who I am. Yeah, so when you are now kind of going into this next phase, and we constantly talk about you're either growing or you're dying. I mean, that's the truth. You're you're moving things forward as we as we wrap up a message that you would like to say to people, because the world is indefinitely. It's tumultuous. Things relaunches are happening globally, personally, professionally. What? What advice do you give people today when you think about success?

I think this moment in time is really exciting. There is it's changing daily, and there are opportunities opening up daily. What I'm seeing happen is that the middle of the market has disappeared, and you're either at the bottom or the top, you make a choice. And what's exciting to me about that is that you can no longer be in that mainstream middle, where it was kind of mediocre and she could just kind of muddle your way along. You really need to make a choice. Am I a volume based business with, you know, really wanting to grow with a big fan base, or am I someone who really wants to build something at the top end? And I would say, Whatever you decide on, either whatever you decide on either sides of those two things, you will have loads of opportunity right now. There are volume based businesses that are taking over the world, like your she ins and your Amazons and etc. I mean, give you a million examples of that. If volume is your play, you are in the right place right now. Also, what a lot of people have not been exposed to if they haven't, if they haven't grown up with money, is that there is a lot of expansion happening at the luxury end of town. And so I would say Your opportunity is to open yourself up to. The top end, and it's fun to play up here. It's a lot less competition. So I would say to anyone who's really looking to grow their business in this kind of economic and political environment, the world is your oyster right now. But I would pick between volume and premium and luxury. So top or bottom, don't muddle around in the in between. That's not where your Your opportunity is. So plenty of opportunity, plenty of growth and expansion, and there's plenty of money on both ends of the market. So go ahead and have some fun. It's it's just it the world is ripe

right now, Kathryn, this is so good. And where can people find you? Where can they hear more about what you're working on and the future? The

best place to go is to Kathrynporritt.com, so that's spelled with a, y, so, k, A, T, H, R, Y, N, par, it, P, O, double R, I double T. We like to confuse people with the spelling.

Well, we will also have it in the show notes. But I have enjoyed this so much. You have so much wisdom. And, you know, wisdom comes with all of the the hard knocks, the things, the the choices, the wisdom along the way to, as you said, into you know, intuition and trusting it, and sometimes we don't, and it sends us into different areas. And we hope that we can cobble ourselves back to where we're supposed to be. And you have done such an amazing job with where you are, what you're, what you're creating, where you're going now with other other markets within so thank you for being here and sharing and everybody out there listening. Please go check out Kathryn Portier. She is. She is the person that, as she said, is you want to if you want to own it, if you want to be that iconic presence in your industry, then let me tell you, she is your woman. So anyway, super, super glad you came on the show today. Thank you again. And as we wrap up, I always like to say you really have to live now. You have to love now, and that is so true with what we've been talking about. You know, getting your head and your heart in unison, in alignment and so Kathryn, thank you, and I look forward to hearing all of the next adventures as you relaunch now into the next best version of Kathryn. Porter. Port, wait as you as you launch in to the next best version of Kathryn port. Hilary, it has been

such a pleasure. And if I may hijack this for a moment and just speak to your audience about the relaunch community and what Hilary and her team have built, and just really ask you to lean in. What Hilary is building here is for women who have a level of ambition and have achieved success and are on the pathway to creating their legacy and really thinking about their meaning in the world, and creating a community of like minded women who are equally ambitious and successful and looking to have these deep conversations facilitated by someone who is so intelligent and so steeped in personal development career advice. Who's been there, done that, and succeeded over and over and over again? I just I urge you to join Hilary's world. It is exceptional. I've enjoyed every moment of being a part of it. So thank you for letting me hijack there.

Ah, Kathryn, you can do that anytime. All right. Everyone, thanks again for being here, and we look forward to another relaunch adventure when we when we tap back into this next week. Take care. Everyone,