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The time is now episode 319.

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One thing about visibility I wish people knew

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is that it's not about you.

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It's about who you're here to serve, communicate with, connect with, add value.

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I think that makes the whole feasibility experience much less daunting or

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threatening and much more approachable and, and even fulfilling and rewarding.

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Welcome to the Time is now the podcast for mission-driven

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solopreneurs ready to take action and go from invisible to in demand.

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I am your host, Emel Regi.

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My mission is to help you cut through the noise, get crystal clear on

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your strategy, and position yourself as the go-to expert in your field.

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But this podcast isn't just about marketing, it's also about building your

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resilience and staying ahead of the shift.

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In our world, so you can be the leader and change maker you truly are.

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This is your time to

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create more growth, alignment, and impact in your business.

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So many solopreneurs struggle with visibility, not because

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they don't have something valuable to say, but because showing up as

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ourselves can feel really risky.

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You might worry about judgment, about saying too much about not fitting to

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the image of what people expect from you, but the truth is your message can't

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make an impact if you keep it hidden.

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So today we're talking about the courage to be yourself, to own your story,

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and to embrace visibility as an act of surveys and not just self-promotion.

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My guest, Kaia Lajas knows this journey very intimately through her

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book, uncaged a Good Girl's Journey to Invention, she opened up about her own

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transformation journey and reinvention and the courage it took to divorce

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and start her life from scratch.

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So Katya is a reinvention coach, speaker, and bestselling author.

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She helps accomplished women break free from the invisible rules of

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perfection and approval so they can reconnect with their voice, their

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worth, and their full potential.

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Her work has been featured in The New York Times Financial Times, Harvard

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Business Review, Forbes, BBC Radio, and so many international outlets.

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Very impressive, and we are here to explore with her what it really takes to

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live uncaged, share your truth and step up to the next bold chapter of your life.

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Katia, I'm so excited to have you again on the podcast and

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welcome to the time is now.

Katia Vlachos: 00:02:46

Thank you.

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Thank you for having me.

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It's always a joy.

Amel Derragui: 00:02:49

It's been such an inspiration to watch you

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in the past couple years.

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You've been on the podcast a few years ago, and since then so much has happened.

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You have launched your book, you have shared your truth with the world, and

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you have lived even more uncaged to be more visible, to share that world.

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In your book Cage, you describe how.

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So many women live inside invisible rules of approval of performance

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and perfectionism, and I wondered if you could give us a bit of a glimpse

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of what did that look like for you?

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When did you start noticing?

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So I entered the cage very young.

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Uh, a lot of us do actually.

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So I was four when I started becoming what I call in the book

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The Good Greek Girl, when I started.

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Noticing there are certain things I needed to do and certain ways I

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needed to show up in order to get what I craved, which was approval,

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acknowledgement, attention, even love.

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Um, and in my case that was, you know, like I said, being good with

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a good girl, being self-sacrificing, being accommodating, excelling at

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everything, basically checking all the boxes, and, and I did that.

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For a big part of my adult life till about my early,

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and, and at that point I hit a wall.

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I realized, I mean, many things happened, but I realized I, I did not recognize

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a person that had become like, I, I was feeling alienated for myself.

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I, uh, I didn't actually like myself.

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There was a lot of dissonance and I couldn't, like, things

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felt off, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was.

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I was in a marriage where I didn't feel seen, uh, or understood where

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I felt like I had to be a certain way because like being fully me,

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whatever that was, was not acceptable.

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And, and at the end of the day, I realized I had no agency over my life.

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Um, that was pretty, uh, scary to realize that I'm.

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Losing myself.

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Like, if I keep going like this, I'm, I'm gonna lose myself.

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Um, and that's when kind of, uh, it was kind of a gradual realization,

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but it did peak at the end.

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There was some, uh, like a decisive event that were triggering.

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Event that happened.

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That's

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in the book.

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In the book.

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Exactly.

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I'm not gonna reveal that, so I'm not gonna reveal that.

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But it's like right at the beginning of the book.

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So, um, but, but what happened to me is not, is not unique.

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Like, um, it happens a lot in midlife usually, or when there's

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something big happening in people's life, like a milestone event.

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It can be a death, a divorce, um, um, you know, being an

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empty nester, whatever it is.

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When people start asking the questions, you know, whose life am I living?

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Who am I, do I, you know, do I still feel like myself and, and all these kinds of

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questions that I started asking myself.

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And that led to.

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Uncaging as we call.

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You've written such a beautiful book, so we'll talk a

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little bit more about it, but you've taken your personal experience and

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then your own professional experience as a coach to now help other women.

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First of all, I like identify that moment, but also do something about it, and so.

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For women who are listening now and who are still torn between pleasing

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and being true to themselves.

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So what is that first internal step that you usually invite your clients

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to take so that they can get engaged?

Katia Vlachos: 00:06:26

Hmm.

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Very good question.

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We are creating a language and I will get, or I often get people who reach out

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for co like they're interested in, in working with me and they use the language.

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I was like, okay, this is my Cajun, this is this bar and this is the other bar.

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And I, you know, this is what my encage would look like.

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And I'm like, oh my God, I love this.

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'cause, 'cause you know, we've given language to people to, to

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articulate certain things that may have been harder to, to do until then.

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So that's, that's really fascinating.

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Yeah, I love it.

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No, but the, the first thing we do, well, there's, there's two things, but I think

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the, the most fundamental is, is, uh, is what I will share, is a lot of the women

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who come to me like, feel like I did, like, they don't recognize themselves.

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Like, um, they've, they've, they've moved so far away from their true essence

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that they find it really hard to, to.

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You know, to, they feel lost.

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They feel stuck.

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And, and so the first thing we do is we actually find that person again,

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like reconnect with that person.

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It may have been, you know, aspects of themselves that they felt they, they

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couldn't, they couldn't, um, have a appear in public that they were not

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acceptable or, or, you know, they've hidden them, they've forgotten them.

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They've, you know, they've neglected them, uh, but the really

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important parts of theirs and, you know, they, they miss them.

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Women will come and say, oh, I, I, I lost my confidence completely.

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I used to be confident and we're like, no, that, that confidence is still there.

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That that part of you is still there.

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It's just over the years, there's been so much conditioning coming on top

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of it, so many shoulds and, and musts and expectations and, and all the, the

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rules we feel like we have to follow.

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So, wait.

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Become somebody else, but we're not really, we're still ourselves.

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It's just like, it's like removing the makeup or it's, it's cold outside.

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You're wearing all the layers and you come in and, and kind of unpack, right?

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And, and that's where we find the core and the essence.

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And from that place, everything else becomes so much easier and

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intuitive and effortless, making choices, choosing directions.

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And setting boundaries and all the elements,

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it really effortless.

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Is it

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young paging to

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be true here?

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Is it really effortless?

Amel Derragui: 00:08:54

Yeah,

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it feels natural and that's what makes it effortless.

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Of course there's work.

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There's work.

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Like the whole thing is, I mean, there's a lot of work that goes

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into it, but effortless in the sense that we don't agonize over it.

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We know it.

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That's what we want, and we're decided,

Katia Vlachos: 00:09:10

yeah, we know.

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It's challenging and it's hard, and setting boundaries can be really scary

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and uncomfortable, but when it feels like this is the right thing, like there's no

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alternative here, I'm doing what I feel is right, and and that gives you the inner

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peaks, I think so that, yeah, that's what I mean when, when I'm saying effortless.

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It's not that there's no work involved.

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The reason I wanted you on this podcast was because I

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feel like your story and the way you showed up is so, is so connected.

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How you showed up in your business and promoting your book is so

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connected to the topic of visibility.

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On the first step is the inner step, the inner work that needs to happen.

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When I work with my clients before they can embrace their visibility,

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there's so much work to do, first for ourselves and inner work, and

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then comes the outer work, right?

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So.

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When we read your book, it's deep.

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It's a memoir, right?

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It's not a self-help book.

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It's a memoir where you share your deep, intimate story and your family

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story and how you got to divorce and, and your kids' story, right?

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So it's deeply intimate just that writing a book about that

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is already courageous enough.

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But on top of it, you went full in, in promoting this book

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with huge PR where you've been.

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All over the world in major media sharing your story and now you

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have your family seeing that.

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I would love if you could share with us how was that experience for

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you to kind of get exposed and deal with that maybe fear of judgment.

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How was it for you and those around you?

Katia Vlachos: 00:10:48

That's a good question.

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The first answer I have to, that is my answers, but the first

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one is like, I had no idea.

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Maybe that's better.

Katia Vlachos: 00:10:58

I was, so, yeah, it was good.

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'cause I don't know if I would've done it or it would've been harder.

Katia Vlachos: 00:11:02

No, I, I, I really felt I had to write this book and I wanted this book out.

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I had no idea what the impact would be and what their reactions would

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be when it comes to my family, especially, you know, my, my children.

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I wrote a book that I was totally comfortable with my children reading.

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That doesn't mean I sugarcoat anything, but it means I am, I am.

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I'm, I'm expressing my truth in a way that it's not gonna be traumatizing to them.

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So, so that was really important for me.

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So there are some parts that are not in there, believe it or not.

Amel Derragui: 00:11:40

There's a lot already.

Katia Vlachos: 00:11:41

Exactly.

Katia Vlachos: 00:11:42

No, but it, that was, that was really important to me.

Katia Vlachos: 00:11:44

Um, the second thing that, around the writing of the book is I

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don't, um, this book is not about bashing anybody or, or you're on.

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There's a lot

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of

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respect.

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It's done with respect and it's, it's, it's not even, it's, it's the facts.

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It's my, it's the way I experience, um, the facts and it's my

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truth, not somebody else's.

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And I let my readers make up their own minds.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:08

Right.

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That's, that's also respecting your reader as a writer.

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You're not gonna tell your reader what to think.

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They're gonna make up their own mind, so, so.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:17

Also that was really important to me because I am talking about my divorce.

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The, you know, the, the person is, is still out there, even if

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their names have been changed.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:25

You know, those who know, know.

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And, um, you know, I wanted to be mindful of that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:34

Now, when it comes to the, to the broader public, I, it was interesting 'cause I

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wasn't, I wasn't expecting the haters.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:47

I don't know why, because I've never done this before.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:49

Probably.

Katia Vlachos: 00:12:51

So when I had went public, there was one instance where I got a lot of hate.

Amel Derragui: 00:12:57

Well, one of the articles, comments to an article

Amel Derragui: 00:12:58

was written about you went viral.

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Yeah.

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If I remember well,

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:01

yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:01

Is

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that correct?

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:01

Yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:02

Yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:03

There was, there was some hate that came up there and, and while momentarily for

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like about an hour, I freaked out about it Then with the help of a very gracious

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journalist who, who wrote the article.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:14

Um, I realized I'm onto something.

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If people are reacting that way, then it means there's something important

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here that I, I need to stand behind.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:23

I mean, I was gonna stand behind it anyway, but it, it really encouraged me.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:28

You know, this is a message that needs to be out there, and it's

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making people uncomfortable.

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Great.

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And it's not about me, it's about them mostly.

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And, uh, and I'm just gonna keep telling my truth.

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So, um, so I, I turned it around and.

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And also because I was onto something, the article did so well.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:47

Right?

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So thank you haters, like very grateful for that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:13:51

And you know, for the revelation and for the, the impact it allows me to have,

Amel Derragui: 00:13:56

uh, if I remember something like you were breaking

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couples, breaking families, things along those lines, promoting

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:01

divorce, you

Amel Derragui: 00:14:03

know, it was rough.

Amel Derragui: 00:14:04

So it's good that you say now, thank you haters, because you see

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that there's an advantage to it.

Amel Derragui: 00:14:10

In terms of pr, but most importantly, if if there were no haters, then there

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wouldn't be a topic of discussion, right?

Amel Derragui: 00:14:16

There wouldn't be a truth to hold, and that's exactly the point that

Amel Derragui: 00:14:20

you're making in the book, but you got the negative side of the haters,

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although you see it now as a positive.

Amel Derragui: 00:14:26

What other maybe positive surprises you got from putting yourself

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out there that you didn't expect?

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:31

So.

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:33

The haters were just like a tiny, like literally this one article, of

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:37

course, it was a very public article.

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It was like a big national newspaper in the uk, so it was

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very high profile, but that was it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:44

Most all other reactions I had to the book were incredible and that, yeah,

Katia Vlachos: 00:14:49

I, I didn't expect, I mean, I expected people would like it, like my first

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book and got, you know, get very good.

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Comments and stuff, but, but people reach out, strangers reaching out and

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sending me, you know, very intimate letters and notes about the impact it's

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had on them, about how, you know, my story encouraged them to, you know, to

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take steps, to look at their own stories, to set their own boundaries, how they

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felt, seen, right, and understood.

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:18

That was, that was huge.

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So it made the whole thing worth it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:25

It was, yeah, like the most, the most rewarding part of writing this book and

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:29

having it out there is, is to see that it is actually having the impact I dreamt

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:35

about, but I didn't dare believe in.

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:37

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:15:37

Like I, it was, it was the dream.

Amel Derragui: 00:15:39

It's been amazing to watch this journey.

Amel Derragui: 00:15:42

So.

Amel Derragui: 00:15:43

As I said, one of the reasons I wanted you also on the podcast, because my

Amel Derragui: 00:15:46

experience working with so, so many solopreneurs, once they do the inner

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work of clarifying what's their message, what they wanna share out there,

Amel Derragui: 00:15:54

what they wanna put out, there comes the moment when everything is ready.

Amel Derragui: 00:15:57

And the last thing left is to actually do it and, and put it out

Amel Derragui: 00:16:01

there and share it with the world.

Amel Derragui: 00:16:03

And that's where the fears creep in sometimes the, the self doubt.

Amel Derragui: 00:16:08

And the whole questioning about visibility and authenticity and all

Amel Derragui: 00:16:12

of that, what would be your advice to those who have a strong message to share

Amel Derragui: 00:16:17

and are hesitant to put it out there?

Amel Derragui: 00:16:20

Either for privacy reasons or for the fear of not being authentic enough

Amel Derragui: 00:16:26

and, and showing up authentically?

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:30

So there's, there's, there's a balance, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:32

And the balance is different for every person.

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:34

The balance between how much you.

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:37

And, and how much you keep private, but also on the other side of the balance

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:44

is how much impact do you have, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:46

Or how much impact could you have?

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:48

So it's, I think it's important to find what are we comfortable with.

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:54

I, I don't like oversharing, believe it or not, in my normal world.

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:57

I mean, this book was tough.

Katia Vlachos: 00:16:59

Totally.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:00

I guess some people would call it oversharing.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:03

No, I didn't think of it as I was writing it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:05

I didn't think it was, but you know what I mean?

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:07

Like we, we each have our own level of comfort.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:11

But what I would say is, is question that, like, is this because you want to

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:16

protect people and protect your privacy?

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:20

Or is there also fear involved?

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:22

And if there is some fear, what's that about?

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:25

Ask the questions, you know, question it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:28

Just make sure that there's, there's, you know, you're doing this for

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:31

the right reasons and not because.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:34

If I share this, I will be judged or you know, like we're making a lot

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:39

of assumptions that are untested.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:42

Um, and I see it all the time with my clients.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:45

And then when we challenge the assumptions and we have them, you know, take a small

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:48

step and say, okay, yeah, what I was worried about didn't actually happen.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:53

So, so a lot of our fears are, are not based on reality.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:57

Unfortunately.

Katia Vlachos: 00:17:58

A lot of them are based on, on conditioning and what we know.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:01

It's, it's what is appropriate.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:02

I mean, if I went with what's appropriate, I would've never written a book.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:06

Right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:06

Because, oh my God, it's a, it's my private story and it's

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:09

out in the open in my culture.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:11

You know, it's not a thing.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:12

We don't do that in a lot of cultures.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:14

I think you're supposed to keep, you know, your private

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:17

matters hidden and hushed and.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:23

So, you know, like examine the fear.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:25

That would be my one.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:26

You know, find your balance, examine the fear.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:30

And, and the last piece of advice, which is, is probably most important,

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:34

is figure out why you're doing this.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:37

Again, I wrote the book for a reason, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:40

I wanted to have a specific like contribution, a specific type of impact.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:46

That was my why, and I was very clear about that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:49

That helped me.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:51

Deal with the visibility or with the fears or, or with the judgment that came.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:57

So connect to that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:18:58

And your why is, is not about you, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:01

So shifting the focus from yourself to the people you want to serve, to

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:05

the contribution you want to make, the impact that makes visibility,

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:10

uh, much more, I'm not gonna say effortless, I'm gonna say, uh, less

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:15

threatening, more rewarding, easier.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:20

So identifying where the fears comes and then honing into our

Amel Derragui: 00:19:25

big why to have the courage to do it.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:29

But I still feel like there is the whole part of how to face the backlashes, how

Amel Derragui: 00:19:35

to face the criticism if there is one.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:38

Right.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:40

So.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:41

What gave you the courage to actually not care?

Amel Derragui: 00:19:43

Because at the end, that's what you help your clients as well

Amel Derragui: 00:19:46

to at some point say, Hey, other people can think what they want.

Amel Derragui: 00:19:49

You need to be courageous enough to not care about it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:54

Yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:55

After we go through the usual kind of, oh, I, it's all about

Katia Vlachos: 00:19:59

me and, and what did I do wrong?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:01

And starting to look for the, the what, what we did wrong.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:07

The next thing I thought about is, okay, do I need these people to validate me?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:10

Are these my people?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:12

Are these the people I wanna have an impact on?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:15

No, they were all white males.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:16

Well, I dunno if they were white, but they sounded they were all men, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:21

They like, maybe there was one women out of like I 80.

Amel Derragui: 00:20:25

How about your kids, for example, did you have

Amel Derragui: 00:20:27

to have their approval before you could put that out there?

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:30

I didn't ask for approval.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:31

I don't if that's a bad thing.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:33

Uh, I wrote, like I said, I, I was very mindful and I trusted that,

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:41

you know, what I wrote would not hurt my kids and it didn't.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:44

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:45

And I also allowed them, like, there was no pressure on them to read the book.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:51

I don't think they've read the book.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:53

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:53

And I'm not putting, and not because they don't love me or they

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:56

don't support me, like totally.

Katia Vlachos: 00:20:59

They, they totally do, but they will read it in their time.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:03

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:03

Reading about your parents' divorce is not, is not an easy thing, or,

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:08

or there's, there's other parts in there that are not easy to read.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:12

Not traumatizing, but not easy.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:16

But didn't, no, I didn't ask permission because like I

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:20

said, I'm not bashing anyone.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:21

This is my truth and I feel like I have the right to have that out there.

Amel Derragui: 00:21:30

What I'm hearing is pure alignment with yourself,

Amel Derragui: 00:21:33

and I think that's what's needed

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:35

here.

Katia Vlachos: 00:21:35

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Amel Derragui: 00:21:36

Pure alignment with your message and knowing that what

Amel Derragui: 00:21:38

you're doing is not to hurt is actually quite the opposite to empower people

Amel Derragui: 00:21:42

and hopefully even your kids will feel that empowerment for themselves

Amel Derragui: 00:21:46

at some point if they want to.

Amel Derragui: 00:21:47

Um, yeah, but that's, I found it very courageous and I know that, you know.

Amel Derragui: 00:21:55

It was already courageous enough to write the book.

Amel Derragui: 00:21:57

It was another thing to also put it out there and share it with the world, but on

Amel Derragui: 00:22:01

top of it is that you have built a whole business around the concept of your book.

Amel Derragui: 00:22:05

We worked together as well so that we can align your business strategy,

Amel Derragui: 00:22:09

your positioning to the book.

Amel Derragui: 00:22:11

Right.

Amel Derragui: 00:22:12

And I was wondering if you could share your experience of what did

Amel Derragui: 00:22:16

you feel you needed at that time to be able to build that strategy

Amel Derragui: 00:22:20

of a business around that book?

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:22

I still, I still remember our first VIP day Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:26

Or days

Amel Derragui: 00:22:27

somewhat

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:27

where we, yeah, we, we brainstormed around the book.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:30

It was, yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:31

It was so, so helpful because I have the story and the, the concept, but I needed

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:37

to translate it into my, my key message.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:40

Like there has to be like one message.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:42

It has to be powerful.

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:43

You know, what are the words I'm using?

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:46

How do I communicate the value of his work to my audience?

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:51

So it's, uh, it's, it's like you said, it's, it's doing the inner

Katia Vlachos: 00:22:55

work, but the inner work has to kind of translate to the outside as well.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:01

So part of it, part of it only was, was, uh, working on the

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:06

communication, the translating.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:08

Came when, you know, we came up with concepts like bold

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:11

decisions and break free.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:13

I mean, this is, this is all our work together, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:16

And I still use these words, these, they're still very much part of

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:20

my, my message part, part of it was that, but there was also like

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:25

the mindset part of, of putting myself out there and, and believing

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:30

in the value, um, that I'm adding.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:34

You know, you, you were also like my champion in a way.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:39

Not just like the marketing and the business coaching and all that,

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:42

but you're also championing me and encouraging me and there were a

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:45

lot of ups and downs at the time.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:46

'cause I was going through a lot of challenges also health

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:48

wise and personal challenges.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:51

So.

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:52

So there's also like staying committed and, and, and believing in, in what

Katia Vlachos: 00:23:58

I did and, and the value it's adding and, and just walking the talk, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:03

Not, you know, I'm not just preaching on cage, but I'm, I'm living it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:08

And your support with that was, was huge.

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:10

So I think I see these two.

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:14

Aspects of it and okay, the third one, you know, accountability

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:16

is, is is always huge.

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:18

Right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:18

You know, like, you know, I could be thinking about this and strategizing for

Katia Vlachos: 00:24:22

a while, but if without the accountability it wouldn't be become reality.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:28

It was not only, you were going through a lot of challenges, but

Amel Derragui: 00:24:30

on top of it, you had kind of finished a book and you were working really hard

Amel Derragui: 00:24:34

to find a editor, and I remember you were trying to do both the same time.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:39

It was so impressive to see you commit.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:42

To the whole process and see where you are today.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:45

It's just, I just wanna take this moment to celebrate

Amel Derragui: 00:24:48

everything you've achieved so far.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:49

You've been amazing to watch.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:51

And one of the things that maybe you can also share your

Amel Derragui: 00:24:54

experience is all that hurdle.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:57

That it is at the beginning.

Amel Derragui: 00:24:58

It's not easy to come from that idea to actually put it out to the world

Amel Derragui: 00:25:02

and my experience that very often, it takes six months to a year before

Amel Derragui: 00:25:06

we can finally go from the concept, the strategy, the messaging, the

Amel Derragui: 00:25:10

positioning to actually living what has been strategized and planned.

Amel Derragui: 00:25:15

Any advice looking hindsight from your journey, from the moment you had

Amel Derragui: 00:25:20

the strategy to the moment you put it out there and start sharing it?

Amel Derragui: 00:25:24

What would you do differently?

Amel Derragui: 00:25:25

What would you do again, the same way?

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:27

Hmm.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:28

Very interesting advice would be, I feel like the time is needed.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:35

Like maybe if I didn't have the health challenges, this would've

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:39

happened earlier, but I feel like, you know, it needed like the,

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:44

the, the message needed to mature.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:46

Yeah.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:47

It needed to mature.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:48

I needed, I needed to be in the place where I really was embodying it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:55

So my advice would be like trust the process and be, be patient,

Katia Vlachos: 00:25:59

but still do the work and just like wait for things to happen.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:02

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:03

Or for the right time.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:04

Now we create right time.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:06

Time is now.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:07

The time is now.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:08

Exactly.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:08

The time is now.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:10

And the now may like stretch a little bit.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:13

Right, exactly.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:14

Because it's a process.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:16

I see it a lot with my, my, my group program participants now,

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:21

where they're like, we do a lot of work on like gaining awareness.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:24

So there's like a lot of realizations and insights and a lot of them are

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:28

like, okay, but what do I do now?

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:30

What do I do with these insights?

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:31

Like, I need to do something.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:33

And I'm like, yes, but it's a process and you know, we're gonna like take it

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:37

one step at a time and you will see you take a few steps and then all the others

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:42

are kind of starting to fall into place.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:46

Be patient and let it sink in and let the like really, again, really embody

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:51

the insights and the realizations, and then you will know what's next.

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:55

But it's, in my experience at least, I, I mean, I see a lot of

Katia Vlachos: 00:26:59

people like going really fast.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:02

Maybe it works for them, but for me, this is how it worked.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:04

I had to really connect with a material, connect with a message, live it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:12

It allowed me to show up so much more authentically and and

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:15

with so much more conviction.

Amel Derragui: 00:27:18

Yeah,

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:18

I think it's the conviction needed to mature.

Amel Derragui: 00:27:22

And I found that you were very courageous to start

Amel Derragui: 00:27:24

the marketing work while finishing the book and working on the book.

Amel Derragui: 00:27:30

Would you still recommend that?

Amel Derragui: 00:27:31

Mm-hmm.

Amel Derragui: 00:27:31

Like hindsight, like truthfully, or do you think you just did it too

Amel Derragui: 00:27:35

early or rushed it, or was it actually useful to do at the same time?

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:39

That was super useful.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:41

I mean, look, the manuscript was written.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:43

I was doing the, the editing and then looking for publisher and all that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:46

I think it was great because I started promoting the book before

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:51

the book was out, and that I would recommend to anyone who's, who's.

Katia Vlachos: 00:27:57

Building something new and promoting it is, is to warm up the audience.

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:00

I mean, you know, we work together, uh, on that, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:04

Start talking about the concepts, get people interested, gauge

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:08

you know, which topics are, are resonating more than others.

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:13

I think it's invaluable.

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:15

So it was, it was exactly the right time to work on it and, and, you

Katia Vlachos: 00:28:20

know, do all the groundwork and, and start, start already being out.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:27

That was another thing that came up in our work was the

Amel Derragui: 00:28:30

whole hesitation of putting content out there, sharing on social media.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:34

Look at you today.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:35

You're like a social media machine going viral and having so much engagement

Amel Derragui: 00:28:41

in every single one of your posts and like what, what has helped you go from

Amel Derragui: 00:28:47

shying away, from posting regularly to, I remember how you even about

Amel Derragui: 00:28:52

networking, even networking was a thing.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:56

I don't like networking.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:57

It's not authentic.

Amel Derragui: 00:28:59

What?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:00

You helped me so much for that.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:01

I'm so happy to hear that.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:03

What are the shifts that happened to you that allowed you to today?

Amel Derragui: 00:29:07

Show up.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:08

So brilliant.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:09

Be visible.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:10

Like visible is just a small world compared to, to how

Amel Derragui: 00:29:14

visible you are right now.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:15

So, and you are showing up regularly, almost every day on,

Amel Derragui: 00:29:19

on LinkedIn and social media.

Amel Derragui: 00:29:20

So what has allowed you to do that?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:22

So I ask myself one question every day, and it

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:25

has to do with, with impact and contribution, my why and all that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:29

And I'm like, okay, what is my, what is my audience?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:32

What is, what is this person?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:34

'cause I try to think of one person, you know, what do they

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:35

need to hear from me today?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:38

That's, that really helps me show up and share that and,

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:43

and see what happens, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:45

But it's, it's really, I practice what I said earlier, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:49

It's not about, oh my God, what are they gonna think?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:52

That's what stopped me from, I don't know, like, for example, doing video.

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:55

I can never, I didn't do video.

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:56

It was like, oh my God, what are people gonna think?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:58

Suddenly?

Katia Vlachos: 00:29:58

She's doing video and who does she think she is?

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:01

Oh, she sucks.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:02

Whatever.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:03

I was like, just go do it because.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:06

'cause you're helping someone who is not gonna get that help is not

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:11

gonna get that encouragement or, you know, that sense of feeling seen

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:15

if you shut up or don't show up.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:19

Wow.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:20

So who am I?

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:21

Who am I holding back from?

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:23

By not showing up Is, is also a good question.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:27

So yeah, that was the, the visibility part.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:29

The networking part.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:31

You really helped me because, um, I was like, okay, if this is not,

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:35

if this doesn't feel authentic, let me give it a shot and, and look

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:40

for the places where I actually find my people and find my tribes.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:44

So, I mean, I don't know if you remember, but I challenged myself.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:47

I mean, I'm gonna be doing this for a few months and see what happens.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:50

And guess what?

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:51

I found those places, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:52

And I created those places and, but it's shifting how you approach it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:30:57

And now I help other people with.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:00

I love it.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:01

It's unbelievable 'cause

Katia Vlachos: 00:31:02

yeah, it's such a big revelation.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:04

What a shift.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:05

Really impressive.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:06

So you do work a lot with your clients.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:08

So tell us how you help them now.

Amel Derragui: 00:31:11

What, what do you do for your clients?

Katia Vlachos: 00:31:12

So most of my clients, or if not all of them, come to me

Katia Vlachos: 00:31:18

because they want to change their lives.

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They wanna reinvent themselves.

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Like I said, they use the words I wanna get out of the cage.

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This is my cage.

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I don't want it anymore.

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I have a, a, like a signature methodology, a series of steps I take them through.

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They're not linear.

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We can go back and forth, uh, depending on, like if I'm doing private

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work, we adapt it to their needs.

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But, but there's certain kind of milestones that you go through

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when you go through reinvention.

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And one of them already I shared is like finding the essence, connecting

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to your essential self as we call it.

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And, and then from that place tackling all the other steps.

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But it has to do with, you know, like, uh, alignment, aligning with your values,

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your vision, your purpose, you know, what you're here on this earth to do.

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It has to do with, um, you know, figuring, figuring out an action plan, dealing

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with all the, the inner voices that like to hold us back when we start to take

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action and we start to gain momentum.

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So dealing with those.

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So what this methodology of this program, whatever does, is it

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has the practical part, like the action, the steps and all that.

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But there's a lot of it around the mindset.

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Uh, because being uncaged is not just like and reinventing yourself.

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It's not just taking the steps.

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It's, it's more like how do you walk the talk?

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How do you embody it?

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How do you, um.

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You know, uh, feel grounded and yourself and validated from the inside, right?

Katia Vlachos: 00:32:48

Because that makes you immune to, to external validation or help

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makes you immune to the setbacks.

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You're not held back by all these things, but you learn to navigate them.

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So I do that in private, but now I also have a new group program,

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which I call the Uncaged Method Mastermind, and it's 12 weeks.

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So we go through that process as a group and it is a whole other dynamic, uh,

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but incredibly powerful and rewarding.

Katia Vlachos: 00:33:21

Yeah.

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So these are the two ways, and of course I still write and post and try to show up.

Amel Derragui: 00:33:28

You are more than trying.

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You're showing

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up every step.

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I do my best.

Amel Derragui: 00:33:33

Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Actually, before we say goodbye, is there one more?

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Anything you feel like we missed out from the conversation?

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You wanna make sure to, to share?

Katia Vlachos: 00:33:45

Yeah.

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What I wanted to say about the cages, because very often people will, not

Katia Vlachos: 00:33:52

often, but, but sometimes people will listen to all these concepts and be like,

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no, I'm not, like, this doesn't apply to me because I'm leading my life and

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I'm making choices and, and they're my choices and I'm aligned and all that.

Katia Vlachos: 00:34:04

Yes.

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Cages can be obvious, but they can also be sneaky and they,

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they can look like choices.

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I recently had someone in my group say, well, I'm, you know, I'm a

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people pleaser, but I choose that because I like to help people.

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I, I'm, I'm a nice person and she's wonderful, but it's still a cage.

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Even if we, we choose or we think we choose, right?

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Because sometimes these choices, we made them so early in life that they feel like

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they're ours, but they're not really ours.

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So, so here, what I wanted say is like, just, just keep asking, like be alert.

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What could be a cage?

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I, I find them every day, right?

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My miss on cage and I still find my own.

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It can be.

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Giving a speech somewhere.

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And the, you know, because the organizer told me, oh, I have to know it by heart.

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And I like, I very bad at learning things by heart and I

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will torture myself for days.

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And, and at the end someone else told me like, I was working with

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someone, I'm like, why are you caging yourself with this thing?

Katia Vlachos: 00:35:12

Like, just find another way to do it.

Katia Vlachos: 00:35:15

Right.

Katia Vlachos: 00:35:15

So it, it can be little things that we don't think, but there are,

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they are ways we limit ourselves.

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So just be, be, be open-minded about it and, and look for them.

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They're everywhere.

Amel Derragui: 00:35:27

We all have our cages, for sure.

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So now if we want to get free from our, to get uncage, what is the best way to

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find you and reach out to you and to learn from your, your great insights?

Katia Vlachos: 00:35:39

Oh, my website, kahu.com.

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Uh, where you have everything, the private coaching, the, the group program.

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There's like a free quiz you can take and there'll be more.

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I'm preparing a new one.

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And, uh, and of course social media.

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Please connect with me on LinkedIn, on Instagram.

Katia Vlachos: 00:35:59

Kaia, it's really is, it's my, just my name.

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So if she even just Google me, you'll find it.

Amel Derragui: 00:36:03

So my dear listeners, I'll put all the links you need to

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find Katya and the show notes of this episode you just need to go to

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the time is now biz slash three 19.

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Thank you so much, Katya, for sharing your inspirational journey and uplifting.

Amel Derragui: 00:36:20

I hope all of you're listening felt empowered to now show up, get

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uncaged, and embrace your message so that you can be invisible.

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And make an impact, right?

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Go from invisible to in demand requires the courage to get uncaged from

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everything that's holding us back.

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And I love how your story, Katya, helped us be able to find that inspiration.

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So thank you so much for your trust and for sharing your story with us here today.

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Just one last thing before we say goodbye.

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If you had to repeat the sentence, the time is now two, what would you say?

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The time is now to lead an uncaged life.

Amel Derragui: 00:36:57

Amen.

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And thank you to all of you listening.

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I can't wait to see you in the next episode, and stay tuned to turn your

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challenges into great opportunities and the time is now to create more growth,

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freedom, and impact with your business.