Michael and I spent about 20 minutes in the pre-chat talking about kick-starter and Paw Paws and many things I think a lot of listeners will find interesting but I separated it out so that if you didn’t want to you could just jump to the next episode and here our full interview.

Let me know what you think! Keep it in! Take it out! put it somewhere else! Don’t edit a thing it’s all good!

What’s your opinion of our pre-chat. It might have been more valuable to Michael before his kick-starter ended which is bittersweet because it ended today before I even post this but he funded his campaign so I hope most of all you will buy one of his books on amazon and leave him a 5star review because he definitely drops some golden seeds in our full chat coming up soon!