Episode#:32 Bobby Schindler and Shaun J Boyce

1993 French Open Doubles Grand Slam Champion and ESPN Analyst Luke Jensen joins us LIVE from The Championships Wimbledon 2023.

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In this episode, we're sharing our live at the time,

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>> You got to get up and check the cameras.

My May the Courts be with you shirt too close to the camera.

>> No, it's perfect.

>> An extra shirt plug there.

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>> A close and personal.

>> Yeah.

>> Thanks for understanding that this gig is hard to do anything outside of what I do just because we have so

many matches going on and off and interviews and it's a great gig.

It's just there are two friends of mine that were at the tennis today and

I couldn't even get out to say hello and it just gets crazy.

>> Yeah, that's one of the things I want to hear about is what it's like to be you on during Wimbledon.

Because the original plan was also for you to be coaching at the same time, right?

>> Well, yeah, unfortunately at horrible coaching my player lost in the last round of

quality to a player that she beat the week before like a drum.

But that's what coaches do, they screw up, they get fired, they get scolded.

You got to come up with better game plans, man, better game plans.

>> Is that what it was?

Was it a game plan, bro?

You know it's, coach always has to take the hit game plan,

always a game plan, problem.

Players are never wrong, players win, coaches lose.

It was just a, it was just a $100,000 miss, but outside of that, not worried.

And that was to play a lucky loser to play another qualifier today.

So not a big deal at all.

>> All right, we got one thing.

Yeah, that's, I saw the draw there.

>> I saw the draw there too, I'm thinking, oh, that was a missed opportunity.

>> It would have been unbelievable and then, yeah.

>> And thinking last year, I'm sorry.

>> Yeah, how does that work?

So like I see is it, Darren K. Hill does a lot of that where he's commentating and

coaching at the same time.

>> Yeah, he balanced that.

>> They're super cool with that.

So remember when you stop playing, you lose a lot of access.

So when you're playing, I started in 94 with ESPN.

And I had a lot of access because I'm in a locker room with everybody.

And it's Samperson, it's Chang and it's Courier, Agacy, everybody.

And I'm flying, and Agacy's private jet and we're doing Davis Cup stuff.

I mean, you can't get more locked in than a fellow player.

And then once you retire, you can hang in there for a bit because

you have access to all those guys because you played those guys.

And then what happens is you get into that next phase where all the guys you played are not retired.

And then you get into what I call the Roger Federer phase, which is he was our ball kid when we played.

So you get access that way because he remembers you and everything.

Well, everybody that remembered us when they were playing are now retired like Roger Federer.

And then you got to go to the coaches who are now coaching those guys and

girls that you played against and stuff like that.

So you get certain access.

But as soon as you start coaching, you're back in those players lounges,

you're back on those practice courts in those locker rooms.

You're in the know every single week.

So they highly encouraged, like Pam Stryvers working with Vekitch,

Vekitch beat Sloan Stevens today. K. Hills out there.

So they honestly, they don't frown upon it at all.

They make it work.

So last year when we were in the main draw out, Wembleton,

Coco would, you know, for the times that she had her practices.

So a lot of depends on the schedule.

And ESPN knows like listen, if your player wants to practice,

we're going to work around that.

So even though she was a lucky loser waiting to try to get in,

the sweet spot for me is I work.

I'll get there around eight o'clock in the morning and

start doing all research, talking to coaches, talking to agents,

talking to players.

And you just watching everything you can to take in injuries.

If someone's jacked up, any news notes, any nuggets that can't be found.

By the normal ways of press conferences and things.

And then you start going on the air.

We have our first meeting at 9.59.30 and that's all hands on deck.

That's Johnny Mac Chris effort.

That's everybody is what we did yesterday.

And what we can do to improve any stories,

anything come up in our research over the last 24 hours.

That sets us up for today.

And that goes to about 10.

And then we all break off to our assigned positions.

And for me, it's in a studio.

And with this guy, Sam Gore.

And we've been working together for years now.

And we just start cranking out these are the matches that you're going to see today.

And talk about them and stuff.

And then once that finishes,

we start getting into bringing in Chris Everett, John McEnroe, Renee Stubbs,

you know, and talk about topics.

Who's playing today? What's up?

A big one.

We have so many Americans in it.

We had 19 American women, 14 American men in the top in the main draw.

And that's just singles.

That wasn't even all the doubles players and stuff.

So who's playing Ben Shelton was obviously a big hot topic.

He went down today, unfortunately.

But then we start hitting the matches and then talking about,

especially during rain delays in everything.

The hot topics, bringing in players for interviews, bringing in coaches.

So we're pretty active.

And then I just thought you and I were going to be able to kick off

in that sweet spot when we're kind of done.

But it didn't happen.

We had so many storylines and stuff.

And it's a glorious job.

You'd love it.

It's the coolest gig to do because you're at the best tournament in the world,

the most historic tournament in the world.

People want to talk about it.

And it's super cool.

Well, that's why I thought it'd be fun to bring it home a little bit,

to bring it back to Atlanta, to kind of know what that looks like.

Because we get to see you on ESPN in studio.

But what that, we just get to see that 20 minutes,

that's really cool, not all the preparation, not all everything that goes into that

from the 8 AM and Joby looked at me.

He's like, well, it's only 9 o'clock there.

It's not that bad.

I said, but I don't know what time he started.

Like if he's a guy that is similar to how he grew up,

he knows he's only as good as how much work he's putting into it.

I'm guessing he's one of those first guys through the door.

Yeah, it really is an awesome opportunity to work with awesome people.

And it's, to be honest, like research,

poor guy who's on the, in the room underneath me,

because we get up super early.

He doesn't get back to like one o'clock in the morning,

and he does all the research.

So until any Murray is done on center court and all the press conferences,

he's got to compile all that stuff and we get a packet.

Let's see if I can find it.

So this is, this was just yesterday stuff that comes.

I mean, it's just, it's loaded with every nugget,

first serve percentage, schedule, possibility,

singles doubles, mixed juniors,

juniors qualifying started at Roe Hampton today.

Lot of college coaches are over there recruiting the next superstar for their team.

So it really is, they give you every opportunity to succeed.

So my job specifically is to know my stuff,

but how can I separate myself from everybody?

And that's digging into notes that nobody else would kind of see or know.

And it's beyond the notes to be perfectly honest.

It's knowing the, having the relationships with the coaches.

And that's been huge coaching, coaching, Coco Vanderey

because I know last week's tournament and what happened in Berlin,

what happened at Paris and watching at first hand

from the practice courts on down.

And then you have like the Chris U-Banks.

He's playing tomorrow against Cam Noria court one.

I mean, Chris didn't even know where to go for practice.

He played qualities last year, but he never been,

he'd never been at the big W.

So he really didn't know and he needed like some help,

like point, that's where practice is, that's where the locker room is.

Total rookie.

And because, you know, he played for my World Team tennis team in 2021.

And I know him because George Attacuys from Atlanta,

I'm an Atlanta guy.

So that is a huge nugget for me that other people wouldn't know.

So he's going to walk on the court tomorrow and I'm having edge up

on all the other analysts and things like that.

So that's what they want, ESPN wants, that access and that kind of intel.

And that's right up my alley.

I love finding a nugget that nobody else would have.

And it encouraged it, which is great.

Yeah, I would think so.

And that's why the interesting question of how do you balance that?

I can only guess ESPN would want the most up to date in the know people.

To be part of that.

That also means you're going to have another, you're going to be coaching, you know, coaching,

you know, and get that.

Yeah.

And of course, you know, you got to be winning for your, you know, your player.

And they got to be winning and staying relevant.

I mean, it's, you look at, like Darren Kayle, he's, he's coaching center top 10 player,

a possible, like a favorite to hear.

Win here.

That is massive because I mean, I'm coaching a qualifier.

He's coaching a player's plan on center court, Wimbledon.

I mean, when they start having matches,

you can talk, you know, there's a little dip over here or the courts playing slower or we're,

they were honestly out there hitting with Jokovic.

And I think it was Friday or Saturday before the tournament started.

That's a huge advantage.

And to listen to what, you know, is going on at center, we're all, I mean, you have to,

all of us in these meetings are listening to all that intel that we can bring to our matches

and to our stuff.

So it's, it's really is incredible to do it.

This is my 39th Wimbledon.

I started in '84 here as a junior player and then as a, you know, men's player and singles

doubles and mixed and then as an announcer and legend, I played legends and I'm an alternate

for the legends this year.

So it really is unbelievable.

How do they do that legends tournament?

Is that, I'm interested?

Do you actually have to qualify?

I mean, do they, do they care how good you are or is it just your personal?

Boy, how do you get into that?

It would be pretty cool if they had like qualifying.

And everything, because you would really see.

So, yeah, no, it would be unbelievable.

You'd see guys in shape like going, and so it's a really good paycheck and it's not as

good, obviously, as the main draw or anything, but still a good paycheck for dinosaurs like

us.

But so they'll send out invitations.

So it will be, you know, men's doubles and then you'll have mixed and they may pay,

you, but you are actually invited.

So in the years past when we were just off the tour of Murphy and I got invited in time.

And then once you get 60, you're out.

Now only, I mean, this is labor, this is the greatest of all time.

Once you get 60, you're not invited anymore.

They, you know, they go for the younger guys, but only the Abunt Sir Brahmi, only the great

magician, Munn Sir Brahmi has been allowed to come back because he is the greatest show

on earth as far as tennis and the fans want him.

And so it's an, it's an exo, but it's, you're playing for money and it's kind of serious,

but it's funny because in these old guy stuff, everybody, you say, listen, I've got a bad

knee and I can't run for a drop shot.

Okay, okay, we won't hit your drop shots or I won't go back for a lot.

You know, you don't want to embarrass anybody, but everybody knows everybody's like, you know,

injuries and stuff like that.

And everybody gets injured, you know, you're not used to playing two out of three sets, three

days in a row or four days in a row.

And so it's a lot of fun to see your mates again, but Wimbledon invites you.

And then because we're here for media, you'll say, hey, I'm here.

I'm an old dog.

I got a full thing of Advil on me.

So if you do need an extra guy, I'm Advil Bup and I'm ready to win.

I like that.

That's a lot of fun because that's, yeah, she's here.

I'm always the guy you can call me.

And I'm very available.

ESPN's got plenty of those guys.

Yeah, yeah.

And you know, some, some of the guys, you know, they don't want to play, you know, they're

too, like Johnny Mac, he covers ESPN.

He's got BBC.

He's got every tennis, you know, he doesn't do tennis channel, but he, I mean, he'll do, he

does everything.

So it's, he will get on the court from time to time, but I haven't seen him in this

draw.

Yeah.

And that case, it's just a priority thing.

There's too much, too much to do.

Yeah, it's good.

He clearly win everything because he's Johnny Mac.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, he is, he is Johnny Mac.

The only one who Trump's in is Roger Federer who has his own day.

And he's invited to the Royal Box by Princess Kate.

So it's a cool gig to be, I got this actually out of Roger Federer's locker.

He wasn't using it.

It was easy to spot his locker because there's eight trophies on it.

So, oh, that's Roger's.

You know, look in.

There's some shoes, some brackets.

I just needed a sweater today.

He's not going to miss it.

I'll get it back tomorrow after I draw a clean it.

Sure.

Draw a clean it and then write sign it for him.

Yeah.

Outside of form.

Yeah.

To a Fed, you know, just to let you know, I owe you one.

I'll get you, you know, get you one for tea sometime.

Yeah.

For the click.

Exactly.

I don't think about the eight trophies that makes me think of a visit to Serbia I had where

I got to go to the restaurant that Novak owns or something.

Oh, cool.

So cool.

Have you been there?

No, no, I got to go.

It's neat.

You walk up and there's just this statue of him and the armor and it's, you know, I think

dude's like six, three or something.

But this statue is like six, eight.

It just makes you feel small when you walk in.

You've got a little sitting area with all the trophies everywhere.

No way.

That's where all the trophies are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a, yeah.

That's a risk.

You think about that, right?

Got 23 of the big boys and then all the thousands, you know, and I just can't imagine

all those.

What number is that total titles, but I know like San Chris has a room in his house and

then the best collection of all time.

I just saw Andres, but putting stuffies, stuffies, 22, I think she has 22.

And then Andres, I think he has seven or eight.

That's pretty impressive.

That's a trophy collection.

I got my little one from when I won that chest tournament when I was nine.

I got that one.

Hey, that's, you know what?

Dr. Spock right there, baby.

I got a trophy for you.

That's right.

Less time dusting.

But yeah, the, the, the Serbia trip, it's worth it to see the, to see that room.

And that was, I went with that 2017.

So there's got to be a few more in it.

I don't know.

I don't know what he does.

So is it the same place that his parents owned or is this his own place?

No, this is his place.

Wow.

So the, the story, if I remember right, is they sold their restaurant to find the antennas,

right?

I don't know that detail, but the, he's a, he's a special dude.

And it's unfortunate that he is very polarizing people.

I, today people come up.

I'm just, he's just not my cup of tea.

And, but I just think he's in the shadow of Titans of, it doesn't matter how many he wins,

he will never be fetter and he'll never be in a dial.

And you know what?

That's okay.

You know, serena's got her own, you know, base, but I just respect him so much.

He has committed so much to his nutrition.

His flexibility is training.

He goes on vacation after winning 23 in France and he still works out.

He's still, that's just his jam, man.

He's just knows he's got to keep the body limber and got to keep it going.

He doesn't have to be playing tennis every day, but he definitely needs to be working out

every day.

Yeah.

Now, that's, what's the, from a Novak point of view, that was going to be the thing that

I thought about, which is, okay, is he the greatest of all time.

Everybody has that conversation and that's a fun thing going on right now because the

numbers say it's Novak, but it isn't just numbers.

It's also that love, that appreciation.

And he's, like you said, he is a little polarizing because there is, he's made a few mistakes

and he's, I'm saying some people would hit people with ball, you know, tennis balls and

tennis balls.

Dude, this is things happened in his career that have, he never had that almost crisp, clean

career that, that, that, that, that, that, that, Roger, we're really able to pull it off.

He had to fight.

Remember, he didn't win his first major until he was 21 and then there was like a huge, like,

upswing, had to sort through some things physically.

He had trouble at default matches and things like that because it was brilliant.

Yeah.

And that, he was the first guy that I remembered and I'd never heard this word, but

before, but the gluten deal, I was like, what, what is gluten?

And he was the first guy that, that I had ever heard before braiding all these guys and

that he locked in on all that nutritional, that science, that blood work and things.

But I just think you got the, you got the popular vote and that's always going to be Roger

followed by Rafa.

And that's great to be the popular vote.

But the reality is you get the goat by the electoral college.

That's like winning the numbers.

That's just how you win across the board on all the majors and then you start digging deep

into head to head matchups and the thought, I mean, just he will break outside of, I mean,

he's got a chance at the Australian to be perfectly honest.

He's got, I think 10 there.

He's got a chance to break Rafa's 14 at one major.

I mean, it's an outside shot, but, yeah, I mean, but he left a lot on the table in the sense

where he's missed two US opens because of COVID.

You wouldn't take the vaccine.

And he was funny.

He's kind of proven right, which is kind of interesting because, you know, it's such hype

around that and, you know, a lot of us had a guy to do it if I wanted to work for ESPN.

But he didn't.

He stood by his, you know, his principles and everything and then he hit the one, that one

year and 20 when he hit the lines person that he was opening the throat.

He was undefeated that season.

He was going to win that year.

So that's three Australia last year where, you know, it kind of that COVID thing.

So that's four.

You know, he's going to win at least two of those.

Yeah.

So that puts them at 25.

I mean, the dudes, the dudes of beast, Bob Rink has already said, I'm not eating the

guy.

He said, Bob Rink has just said, listen, I'm not, this is Stan.

Bob Rink was one three major titles, one of the best backends that's not the best back

in in the history of the game who can hit through players.

He's saying, listen, I want to be competitive, but I'm not winning here.

I'm not winning.

I'm not beating the guy.

That's insane.

He's, he's right.

I mean, you look at the head to head.

It's 26 Novak.

So I mean, I understand, but to come out and just say it, is it a, is it a disguise?

Is it a false flag deal where you just like, yeah, I'm getting this head that I'm not

even going to try and then go red line and go for winner?

Well, you just admitted it at some point, but as a tennis coach, as a coaching type, as

I am, and you can understand this as well, where you want your player to really believe.

You have to actually believe that this is going to be the greatest upset of all time.

If that's what it needs to be.

But I think what stands pointing out is, I'm going to have to hope he breaks his ankle.

Because I just, I think it's reverse psychology to be honest.

I mean, stand by breaking nose if he plays his best tennis.

He can be done.

So why, why go out and say, yeah, you know, I've got to shout the wind.

You know, if you saw the last dance with Michael Jordan, he, he manufactured reasons to

get mad at opponents that get motivated.

The last thing Novak needs is a guy like Stan going, you know what?

I could take a shot.

I mean, you know, I feel pretty good and pretty confident.

I think he's going reverse psychology saying that I have no shot.

I don't even know if I'll even walk on the court.

I'll be in the, I'll probably get his autograph asking for his jersey, you know, just suck

up to that guy.

Sneak out the first set by the time Novak kind of figures it out with his head.

Maybe a break in a second.

Get up to sets the love.

And then it's a, then it's a chance.

You're telling me there's a chance.

I got a chance.

Yeah.

That's so, uh, yeah.

No, I don't think so.

No chance.

I'm with a break out of this one because I also, I've met Serbians.

And then obviously not all Serbians.

You have to point that out, right?

I've met Serbians.

These guys are strictly brutal.

They do not care if you know you're going to lose.

If you think you're going to win, they don't care.

You're going down.

Yeah.

It's a bond lendel.

It's the a bond lendel type.

I don't care.

Yeah.

I think the face with a tennis ball to win as much because you're better.

Give me your face.

Come here.

It's just business.

It's just nothing personal, you know, give me your face and I'm going to wipe it off the

planet.

This is a million bucks.

And if I can't do it, I'm going to do it some other way.

Yeah.

That's right.

That's right.

I love it.

All right.

So I don't, I know you got a, you got a lot of research to do, but I really appreciate

the time.

Do you have, and you're a little more keyed in maybe on the women's side because you have

some of that access, but do you have picks?

Do you have picks for this year?

Can I ask for it?

I'll tell you.

Thank you.

It's hard to pick.

Yeah.

favorites.

Yeah.

It's, it's to me, Joe Kovic in the rest of the field.

It's really, do you pick Joe Kovic or the field?

Alka Razz.

If you watch the movie Maverick and early on in that movie, he crashes his test plane or

something like that.

And the admiral is telling him that, you know, your, your kind is done.

We're going to drones, unmanned aircraft.

And he goes to the admiral.

You're probably right, but not today, not now.

And it was at the French open in the semis and it was like one of the matches, everybody on

the planet who follows tennis had to watch is Alka Razz, where you take that step.

You're going to beat, you know, there's no Nadal.

And he beat Joe Kovic.

And Joe Kovic was like Maverick, like, you are the future.

You're, you're right, but not today.

Not yet, not yet.

And I just get, listen, you got, you got admire Alka Razz.

The dude loves the sport.

He loves the train, plays with a smile on his face.

Guys, incredible.

But he won Queens.

Really good effort.

Anytime you win Queens, it's a sign of the future that you're going to win.

And you're ready for a grass court run at Wimbledon.

He looked great in his opening round.

Guys are beast, but not yet.

Yeah, got it.

It's Joe Kovic plus the field I'm taking, Joe Kovic.

It's like, how do you bet against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl?

I'm sorry, one game, you know, I don't think so.

So I'm going with Joe Kovic there.

I'm not going to risk it.

And then on the women's side, it's interesting.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic, I think, is really good.

I think that's what I think.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

I think that's what I think.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

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I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

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I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

I think that's what I think, Joe Kovic is the best.

And defending champion, Rob Aquina, she won today.

And I like her poise.

We lost her last year, first round, Coco Vanderwey.

We had opportunities, but she was a cool customer that can hit big on both wings.

And serve big first and second serve.

And serve big first and second serve.

And I just have a feeling that it's a lot like this tournament.

I don't know why, but she lost in the semis of the French.

And I just think she has, she's matured where the serve is not going to be a problem on that second where she has double fault issues.

But she has a big smile on her face.

She wasn't allowed to play last year.

Remember the Russians and the Belarusians were not allowed to play.

And she, all the Russians and the Belarusians that have played so far had interviews have been very gracious in the way that the crowd has embraced them.

Good.

And I thought it was, it was a weird take because it was nothing personal against those players.

It was just this weird global event that happened that they were caught in like the, you know, the wake of this tragic global war.

The global, I'm sorry, this conflict that turned into a global situation of whose side you're on and they just got caught up in it.

The fans never, they love me that they love Savileca.

And, but they came out and said, hey, I really wasn't sure how is going to be received out here.

And when the crowd right from the start, they walked on the court, you're a champion.

We love the way you play.

And they smiled in a relaxed sub-alankah.

She's really good.

And when she gets on a roll with that serve and the plus ones and stuff, she's a rough customer.

Well, the Russians are allowed to play as long as they were born in Kazakhstan, right?

Well, that was last year. That was that true.

True. And, you know, I mean, they Kazakhstan sponsored a lot of those guys.

So they, they, all that oil money up there in that country.

You know, Russia is not going to give you money.

We will just wear our flag and represent us and things like that.

So how about, talk about ironic, how they block all the Russians and Belarusians and a girl who lives in Russia played and, you know, play, you know, all that stuff.

And stuff.

Ends up winning it.

I just weird karma, huh?

Weird karma.

It's like Sarah Poe is from Florida, right?

Yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Well, next time we do this, I want to talk about that full western grip because as you mentioned, you know,

you know, weakness on grass, which I would expect it to be.

Except I'm going to say Fritz last year and Baratini the year before.

I mean, we've got some players out there, even who's the big Russian guy.

I call him Karen McSephanoff.

No, it's it.

A rouble.

I'm thinking hatching off or.

Okay, he's another big guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we got these guys that are six, five, six, six that have that full western grip that somehow can play on grass.

And I just they'd never have to hit a volley.

You know, you watch some of these guys come forward and they look like me, the net is just.

Yeah, not good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But we'll have to look at five deep into that next time.

We'll get into the technique for sure.

I mean, remember the first week of this term is the only, you know, surface that is a living breathing thing.

So it changes from day to day.

The conditions have a lot to do with how it plays.

If it's a little rainy overcast, do we.

I mean, it just changes and then that second week when that grass kind of gets worn out, especially on the baseline.

And the grass is firm.

It all sets up.

And then it's just got to fight through that first week.

And then it's game on and that's why things fight tech.

She can just somehow get to that second week, around a 16 quarters.

It'll be a different player and then she can move better and things.

Tiafou has a weird funky forehand, but real quick.

Yeah, but he short backswing.

You have a short backswing with that you can get away with it early on, but.

Taylor Fritz lost today.

And he was up two sets to love and he lost the Emer from Sweden that.

And that's a devastating blow.

He got to the quarters last year, should have beaten the Dow.

And this was supposed to be maybe a run for this tournament.

So it's a setback for the American side here.

Yeah.

And Tiafou is still in.

I didn't see who.

Yeah.

Tiafou won today.

Ben Shelton lost today.

Tommy Stockholm, Paul.

He won today.

I'm going down there's so many Americans.

It's great.

And you just go down that list.

Bashed in court.

He lost.

He lost the other day.

I'm almost sure he lost the other day.

I like that kid.

I keep telling my son.

You got to be six foot forward lefty with a two handed backhand.

Yeah.

He said, but if you look at the court, you look at these guys.

Six five.

You know, Tiafou was side.

Tiafou being that that extra case.

But there's six five.

They got that big serve.

They can serve into the second week.

And then wait for the Western forehand to be able to play on the

group on the clay courts of Wimbledon in the second week, right?

Yeah.

That's why I wouldn't go as far as clay, but that, but the things you want

footing and you need time and you need a bounce.

And that's a board one five straight finals in a six.

Just because he got through that first week was able to just

figure it out and then the ball start coming up to him.

And that Western grip is, which isn't really a true Western.

It was more like a Roger Federer kind of hybrid, probably.

Yeah.

Semmy West.

Yes.

Semmy.

Yeah.

So, uh, yeah.

It's, uh, Daniel Collins lost today.

Alicia Parks Atlanta kid.

Uh, she, she lost today.

She, I thought she won the first set in the last, but we just got a man.

Cannon.

Cannon one today.

And, uh, she, she has a matchup was.

It's the Lena who was coming through the draw after having a child in October.

So, a lot of good storylines for us, huh?

Really good.

Yeah.

And I don't, uh, I don't usually pick the Americans on the clay or the grass, but, uh,

good to see.

Well, they're, they're coming.

Oh, just, just for the time.

No, if you can see this strawberries, Wimbledon strawberries.

Oh, nice.

It's good. Yeah.

There you go.

Ready to, ready to go to town on those things.

Enjoy it.

I appreciate it.

I'll see if I can get in touch with you next week.

We'll try to do it again.

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