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In this episode, Melissa shared her story of being a mom without a mom and the actions that she took to overcome her depression.

Dr. Melissa is born into a typical family, having both parents and an elder and younger sister. Unfortunately, her elder sister died when she was young. And at the age of 25, her mother died. And seven months later, her younger sister passed away.

Despite these tragic events she experienced, she continue to live her life and have a family of her own. 

Dr. Melissa talks about her difficulties in giving birth to her first son, as she experiences depression remembering her mom and the longing feelings.

She also discusses the actions she took in order to be unstuck in her circumstances, after discovering the patterns that the mother patients she treated in the clinic have in common with her.

Dr. Melissa Riley’s story is a calming and motivational story of one who overcomes the various adversities she faced and pierced through the wall of grief and depression. It is a story of an individual who strives to be a mother without a mom.

Episode 245 of The Beyond Adversity Podcast is a must-listen for any mothers without a mom they could rely on. Those who want to hear an inspirational story and get out of their feelings of depression.

“The Beyond Adversity Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people “Grow Through What They Go Through” as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity, and purpose. 

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Dr. Brad Miller 0:01

Hello again, good people, and welcome to the Beyond Adversity

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Podcast this is where we help folks just like you to grow through what

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they go through to navigate adverse life conditions and achieve

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your life of peace and prosperity and purpose. The best way we do

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that is, by talking to people who've been there and done that. In this

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case, we're talking to Dr Melissa Riley. She has quite a story to tell

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She is a psychologist, mom, and coach, particularly with an emphasis

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on supporting moms without a mom on their path of resilience.

Dr. Brad Miller 0:42

Dr Melissa Riley, welcome to Beyond adversity.

Dr. Melissa Riley 0:46

Thank you, Brad. I really appreciate it. I am excited to talk with your

Dr. Melissa Riley 0:51

folks about being a mom without a mom.

Dr. Brad Miller 0:54

Being a mom without a mom. It's a defined area here. We're

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going to delve into that. And what I like to hear then is this, the context

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of being a mom without a mom is critical to your story. So tell us

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a bit about your story of when you faced some really challenging, difficult

Dr. Brad Miller 1:13

times as a new mom without a mom. And that kind of led you to

Dr. Brad Miller 1:17

what you do now in your coaching and leadership and teaching of other people.

Dr. Melissa Riley 1:21

Absolutely. So my life started pretty typically. I was born into a

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family with both parents, and I was the second of three girls born

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into that family. And unfortunately, as a young child, my older sister

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passed away from leukemia. And so my life was very much framed

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from that experience. So fast forward. At the age of 25, my mother died

Dr. Melissa Riley 1:46

from a heart attack at a very young age, age 51. And then seven

Dr. Melissa Riley 1:57

months later, my younger sister died from just a pulmonary embolism.

Dr. Melissa Riley 2:03

So yeah, I went from one of four women within a family of five to

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I am the only female in my nuclear family. And at that point in my life,

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I was very career oriented. I was finishing up my doctoral degree to

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be a clinical psychologist, and continued on that path. So I was,

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like I said, I was only 25 When my mother died, and I went through,

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you know, significant life events moving, graduating, getting married,

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all of the typical adult milestones without my mom present. So I

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went through the grief process and did a lot of my own work, and

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really felt very comfortable with who I was. So I started my family

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later in life, and gave birth to my first son, my child, just a couple of

Dr. Melissa Riley 3:12

days shy of my 38th birthday. Okay. Now, that process was difficult,

Dr. Melissa Riley 3:17

because I had three miscarriages, and then my pregnancy with my

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son was a medically fragile pregnancy. I started going into delivery at

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26 weeks, and then bed rest and multiple hospital stays, and all those

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kinds of things. So during this process, all of a sudden, I had this

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real resurgence of grief. For my mom, I started feeling alone, really

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isolated and began to struggle. And I didn't recognize all of

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the symptoms of grief as being grief. Because of what I was going through

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was difficult. And so so the Depression The alone, the longing

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feelings. I didn't necessarily consider it grief, because like I said,

Dr. Melissa Riley 4:09

I had already gone through that.

Dr. Brad Miller 4:12

Probably a little part of you thought I know how to handle this

Dr. Brad Miller 4:15

as well, for your training, I assume that would have been in the mix.

Dr. Melissa Riley 4:18

Absolutely. And then, once my son was born, Brad, this is

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where things really start to fall apart. Because here I was, right.

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38 years old. I own my practice. I was a clinical psychologist

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for many years. At that point. I was pretty competent, and who

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I was a woman. I, you know, had taught at the graduate

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level human development. I had, you know, provided treatment

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for many moms with parenting. So I thought I was going into

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this in a pretty good place with more resources than most. And

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I was blown away by just how it did because it was It surprised me.

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And I didn't understand why I was struggling

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so much. So what I was left with was this idea that something

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must be wrong with me. And I felt terrible. And I felt the

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sense of shame. I felt embarrassed. And I didn't have

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anybody to talk to about it.

Dr. Brad Miller 5:28

Was there a husband or other family members involved?

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Who are kind of close to you during those time?

Dr. Melissa Riley 5:32

I had my husband, and he was as supportive as it could be.

Dr. Melissa Riley 5:40

But he had already been a father. My oldest was born

Dr. Melissa Riley 5:46

from his first my husband's first marriage. Yes. So this was the

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second time going through it. But the first time going through

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it with me. So there were some differences, of course, which made

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it a little more difficult. I didn't live in the same state as my father.

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And I did have an aunt who I was very close with, but she also

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didn't live in the same state. So and I had just moved to the

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town that I lived in that year. So I wasn't connected with

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people and friends. And I'm kind of an introvert. So it's not

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easy for me to make friends. Yeah, so I felt very alone, and

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didn't realize that not having a mother had such a significant impact on me,

Dr. Brad Miller 6:33

were you able to kind of put your finger on it right away,

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though that was a part of the circumstances

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for you. So it took her time to unpack that and get to that place.

Dr. Melissa Riley 6:43

It did, it did take me some time. And part of how I figured

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it out was in working with other moms, you know,

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I continued to work and started noticing patterns amongst

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the other mothers that I treated in my clinical practice,

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that didn't have a mother or the mother they had was toxic, right,

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so that they weren't support. And I started noticing

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similarities between myself and these other women, that

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wasn't necessarily consistent with moms that had their mother.

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And so, being the psych nerd that I am, I did some research and

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found isn't a lot of information out there about the experience

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of moms without a mom. So I started to think a lot about

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that, and realized, okay, this is something that I can do

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research about, and then start providing support and

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help other moms. And that's what I'm doing.

Dr. Brad Miller 7:41

That's what you're doing now. That's awesome. So it seemed

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like in this whole process here, Melissa, you were kind of surprised,

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by the circumstances. I mean, they kind of hit you hard because

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you weren't really ready for it. And you'd perhaps maybe apart

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of what was going on, as you may have thought somehow,

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maybe if mom was there and was involved would have been

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helpful in the process. And we play games with our minds.

Dr. Brad Miller 8:08

Don't we do that a lot? And that part of what's going on here,

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but you had to find your own pathway, then, to healing

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and wholeness and what you're doing. So let's talk for a

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minute here, Melissa, but what are some of the actions

Dr. Brad Miller 8:21

that you took, then what I mean by that is a lot of people

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and mentioned you were in clinical practice

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where you're working with other moms, and a ticket, a

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significant part of your clientele was women. And I don't

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know if that's the case or not, but in a lot of them being

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moms and deal with all the drama and trauma being

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a mom, period, let alone these other things to go in. But

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it seems that what are some of the actions that you

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took to begin to get to this path because you as you know,

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a lot of people get stuck. They get stuck. And I call it

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the malaise of mediocrity, you get stuck on that malaise,

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and it's hard to get out. And so you've worked with

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some people, I'm sure in your practice, but now you have

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to do some things to get unstuck. So what are

Dr. Brad Miller 9:00

some things you took action about?

Dr. Melissa Riley 9:03

Yes, well, there are three really specific things that I did.

Dr. Melissa Riley 9:07

First and foremost, I needed to recognize that I was

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experiencing grief, and then start doing some work around

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that grief. So recognizing, and then being able to express it

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through things like writing, journaling, talking, sharing

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my experiences with others. The second thing that I needed

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to do was build a community because moms function

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in many ways, right? They typically provide assistance and

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act as you know, a go to person. So I needed to find

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individuals that could assist me and help with things that

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I needed assistance with. They provide knowledge and wisdom.

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So I needed to reach out and find what I like to call wise

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women that could answer the questions that I had, especially

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I times. I mean, not all the times I even know that I had a

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question. And we needed to get that. They also can be there

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to help with chores and things in ways that others, you know,

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we wouldn't necessarily ask, right. And they provide emotional

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support. So I needed to go out and build my mom community

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that included those factors for those people. And then the

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third thing is I needed to start really looking at my own

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sense of who I am as a mom. And I call that our mom identity.

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We recognize who we are within relationship with others.

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And so part of how we know how to be a mom is by how

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we were mothers. And whether that was a good

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experience, or a not-so-good experience.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Some very specific things. So let's talk a little bit about

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how you did it. Then I got built community

Dr. Brad Miller:

and I got the mom's identity. What was the first one again?

Dr. Melissa Riley:

the first one was to recognize and then express my grief

Dr. Brad Miller:

Express grief, that was it. So let's just take at least maybe

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one example of those for your experience. Now I want to

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talk about how that might apply to other people, there's

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gonna be one example of an action you took to express grief.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

Okay, so to express grief, I started writing letters to my mom

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in my journal. And in those letters, I would just kind of talk

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about the difficult things I was experiencing with my son,

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as well as some of the wonderful things that I knew a

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grandmother would gush over me, right, because not

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everybody wants to hear mundane stories. So I just

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created this ongoing dialogue. And sometimes it felt very one

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sided. But there were other times when I could hear her voice

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talking back. And so that was a really important experience of

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expressing grief, which wasn't based on just like, grief as we

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recognize it like that, that sadness, and that, that that real

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depressed experience. But this was more of kind of that

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longing and wanting something there. So I created it.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So you wasn't exactly like having your mom around. But

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it was heading in that direction. You know, it was an

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expression that you took to do that. The second thing

Dr. Brad Miller:

was to build community. So what was something specific

Dr. Brad Miller:

that you did to build community with other moms?

Dr. Melissa Riley:

Okay, well, I'll give an example of a wise woman. So

Dr. Melissa Riley:

I was going into my son's childcare center, and he was about

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six months old, and I nursed so. But I brought in milk and

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bottles for him to be fed there. So one day, the teacher

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says to me, Melissa, do you think he's ready to go up on

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a nipple size? I just looked at her. And I had no idea what

Dr. Melissa Riley:

she was talking about. No idea. I didn't feed him a bottle

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when he was with me. So she very kindly said, Well,

Dr. Melissa Riley:

you know, the nipples on bottles come in different types

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of balls. And as they get older, they need to go fantasize.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

Okay, so what do you think? And she helped me, right?

Dr. Melissa Riley:

She told me what all that meant. And so I started

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recognizing that the professionals in his life, the teachers,

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could be part of the wise women that I reached out to Yes.

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And that I started to rely on to give me information.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

And I think that's really important. So it isn't just friends,

Dr. Melissa Riley:

it's professionals. It's other people in our life, too, that we

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can include as part of our community.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That's great. And then the third thing you mentioned,

Dr. Brad Miller:

give us an example of coming to terms or recognizing the mom identity.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

Yes. So my mom was larger than life person. She had a very

Dr. Melissa Riley:

bold personality and she was a leader in the community.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

In fact, I was often known as just one of the girls.

Dr. Melissa Riley:

Okay, so there were lots of wonderful things about her.

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But there were also things that she struggled with. She had

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her own wounds. And so, it took me some time before I

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could sift through and figure out what were those qualities

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of her I wanted to emulate. And what were some of those

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things that I wanted to let go of and be different in who I

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am as a mom. And so it took a lot of self-reflection and

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really looking at what are my values, what things

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I want to do and be very deliberate in that self-reflection,

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and then focusing on really leaving those out.

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