One who: carries out; puts into action; takes action; performs; implements a plan;
Implement: to complete, satisfy, or fulfill
Kate Erickson, took the leap into entrepreneurial life in 2013, when she finally left her corporate job in an advertising marketing firm to join her significant other, John Lee Dumas, in his new podcasting endeavor.
Today, Kate is the content creator and implementer extraordinaire at EOFire, the first ever daily podcast.
EOFire is an entrepreneurial empire with books, courses, and loads of fantastic free content, and it’s safe to say that Kate is the linchpin there. We loved visiting with Kate, and trust you will too.
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Devani Alderson: Welcome to the iCreateDaily podcast. I’m Devani Alderson, and this podcast is a movement for creators serious about creating their art.
LeAura Alderson: I’m LeAura, and our guest today, the lovely Kate Erickson, took the leap into entrepreneurial life in 2013, when she finally left her corporate job in an advertising marketing firm to join her significant other in his new podcasting endeavor. Today, Kate is the content creator and implementer extraordinaire at EOFire, the first ever daily podcast.
EOFire is an entrepreneurial empire with books, courses, and loads of fantastic free content, and it’s safe to say that Kate is the linchpin there. Welcome, Kate.
Kate Erickson: Thank you so much, what an amazing introduction. I’m so honored to be here. I really appreciate you both inviting me.
LeAura Alderson: It’s fantastic to have you. Considering you guys have just come through Hurricane Maria, and you’re also planning getting ready to embark on a 40 day voyage around the road, practically, right? I can’t even imagine what it’s like for you right now.
Kate Erickson: Kind of like a lot of craziness, but again, we were just saying right before this, you got to be able to keep on your toes, right? That’s what entrepreneurship is about.
LeAura Alderson: Absolutely, you and John are incredibly … John Lee Dumas of the Entrepreneur on Fire, are both incredibly disciplined, and organized people. That’s like a winning team, and you guys are just so in sync with each other in that way, and compliment each other so well. We could talk to you for days, as I said before you came on, but we know that you’ve got so much going on.
So, in honor of your time, and for us the challenge is always about all the things we want to know about you and converse with you about versus what will best serve our audience. For that, that’s the primary reason we’re here. We’ll embark on that, but first if you could share just a little bit about how and why you took the plunge into entrepreneurial life back in 2013.
Kate Erickson: Sure, as you mentioned very briefly, I was at a marketing and advertising agency, and that was my dream job. For years and years, I had dreamed about being an account executive at an advertising agency. I started at an advertising agency back in 2008, and I was kind of like an assistant for a while, and then I kind of started becoming an account coordinator.
It was kind of like this success vision of moving up the ladder, and getting promotions and all that kind of stuff. I was really excited about this position. I had amazing mentors there as well. The company that I was working for was just incredible. I was learning so many new things about marketing and advertising every single day, it’s such an exciting industry because it’s always go, go, go.
LeAura Alderson: And changing so fast.
Kate Erickson: Absolutely. I mean, it’s crazy to think that back in 2013, which was not that long ago, I was working on print advertising, and now print advertising is so foreign to so many people. I loved my job, I loved the people that I worked with.
But, I had a really tough client. I was managing the company’s largest client and there was a lot of pressure, a lot of 3 a.m. mornings/nights, whatever you want to call them, and I was getting burnt out on it. It was starting to get old. It wasn’t that exciting, like, “Wow, this is really cool that I’m working until 3:00 a.m.,” anymore, it was kind of like, “I’m a little bit tired of doing this.”
It happened to be that timing when John had launched Entrepreneurs on Fire, and the business was kind of starting to pick up, he was starting to gain some momentum, so he had kind of put the bug in my ear, “What would you think about working together?” And I was really nervous about that at first. We were boyfriend and girlfriend living together, and I certainly didn’t want that to be affected. It took a few months for the leap to happen, but I took it and here we are today.
Devani Alderson: Awesome.
LeAura Alderson: Awesome. Your screen has locked up just a little bit on your side, so we’re going to pause this for a second and see if we can get it back.
Devani Alderson: Okay, so with iCreateDaily, we have a lot of creators in the community: writers, painters, musicians. The name is iCreateDaily, so we wanted to definitely focus on what are you doing daily with Entrepreneurial on Fire, and Kate’s Take, and the blog, and just the empire that you guys have. What are you doing daily? What is your role?
Kate Erickson: Oh my goodness. That’d be hard to wrap my arms around sometimes. You know, really I consider myself and I call myself the implementer in the business. Every day I’m trying to figure out new ways to make things better, and constantly improve what we’ve already created.
Recently, we were at an event and somebody asked me, “What’s next for you guys? What are you working on?” My answer was, “You know what? For the first time in five years …,” we just celebrated our five year anniversary, I feel like we’re at a place where we’re really looking to improve what’s already out there, because a lot of times as entrepreneurs, as creatives, we put something out there and we kind of see if it works or not and we see what the response is.
We’ve done that, we’ve iterated it on things many, many times, and I feel like we right now have a very solid foundation to where now we’re kind of taking a look back at what we’ve put out there, what’s really resonating with our audience, and I would say one thing I consistently do every single day is I connect with our community. I think that that’s a really huge lesson for people who are just getting started, or even for people who have been in business for a long time and are running successful businesses.
For us, that’s what our business is built on … is our community, because without them, we wouldn’t know what to create, we wouldn’t know what to improve.
LeAura Alderson: Right.
Kate Erickson: I would say consistently every single day, that’s absolutely something that I’m doing.
LeAura Alderson: Yeah.
Devani Alderson: That actually resonates a lot with creators, because many of us, whether we’re super organized, or super messy creatives, we’re always looking at, “How can I improve this? How can I get better at doing what I do? How can I produce …” maybe not produce more, but produce better.
That’s sort of a big thing because some people are like, “Well, I don’t constantly crank stuff out. I’m not that type of person, but I can take the slew of products or contents, books or creations that I have and just tweak it.” Also, the connecting with community, because you can’t sell your work if you don’t have people there. It’s so important.
Kate Erickson: Yeah, that’s exactly-
LeAura Alderson: I’m just going to go off script just for a minute on that because one of the things that you just spoke to seems to me that the community is your why.
Kate Erickson: Yeah.
LeAura Alderson: It’s sort of like the concept of artists … we’re about creating, we’re passionate about writing or painting, or speaking, or building, composing. Whatever kind of creative endeavor you’re doing, we’re passionate about that, but then if we press to the Simon Sinek kind of why, it’s like okay, but why are we doing that. There are a number of different reasons people may have for bringing beauty into the world, inspiring people.
It really tends to connect back to people. It seems like for you guys that’s a lot of your why is to … especially you with your background, and your original aspiration to teach, and you’re a great teacher and you love to help and share, so it’s like that really touches your soul, I would think.
Kate Erickson: Thank you, absolutely. That was such a big aha for me to kind of come full circle and say, “I might not be teaching in a way that I thought I was going to, but what a beautiful path and journey my life has taken me on to be in a place now where I do get to teach, just in a different way than I expected.”
Devani Alderson: And you get to do the marketing and the implementing, and you kind of have the perfect role there because you get to incorporate all the aspects of your dream job in one really cool empire.
Kate Erickson: Yes, that’s such an excellent point. I mentioned before that I was kind of nervous when John asked me to first come on board with Entrepreneurs on Fire because I didn’t really know how I fit in. I didn’t want to just be put into a role where I was basically doing the same thing that I did as an employee … like take orders, do what somebody else told me to do. That was a really important thing for me when we started working together.
For us to work together on what this was going to look like for both of us, and that’s been so helpful in keeping our relationship above water, is just understanding what each other’s strengths are and understanding where we can kind of pick up each other’s slack.
LeAura Alderson: Right, definitely.
Devani Alderson: That’s such a good point for creators who have somebody else with them, and how to just incorporate other people, whether it’s family, it’s a significant other, whoever … that is with you day in and day out. A lot of times we have these other people and they’re like, “Well, what’s my role in this? Is this just your thing? Am I just like your support system? What’s going on? Are we like two separate lives here?” It’s really important to kind of figure out where everybody fits in, and if they enjoy being fit there.
LeAura Alderson: And having that support system, so that takes us off script again to this interesting question. I’ve never in all the podcasts I’ve listened to, of Kate’s Take and EOFire, I may have missed one, but I’ve listened to so many of my … When I first found EOFire, I went on a binge, because I was catching up, on 1.5x speed, like multiple times a day.
I don’t remember hearing how you guys met. That seems important for our audience, because you mentioned relationships, and as you know, we’re the average of the five people we spend the most time around, according to famous Jim Rohn quote. An environment and support system is incredibly important.” You guys are just so symbiotic in that way. Could you take a moment and share how it is you guys met?
Kate Erickson: In 2010, I was making a move. I was living in San Diego, but I was moving out of the apartment that I was in … moving into a new place. I contacted the landlord, and she said, “Okay, I have a place that I can show you. It’s not going to be the unit that you’re going to move into, but it’s right next door to it. It’s like a mirror image of it … all these places are exactly the same, it’s just a little studio apartment.” I said, “Okay, that’s fine as it looks the same, I’m okay with doing that.”
She gave me the apartment number that I should go to. I showed up, and I knocked on the door. This guy opened the door, and it was John.
Devani Alderson: Wow. That’s amazing. That’s so funny.
Kate Erickson: He showed me his apartment, and then I ended up moving in next door to him. We shared a wall for about a year and a half, became great friends. That’s how our relationship started. We were neighbors, we were good friends, we started hanging out, sharing friend groups. After about a year or so, we kind of took that next step.
Devani Alderson: That’s awesome.
LeAura Alderson: That helps one believe in fate.
Devani Alderson: Totally.
Kate Erickson: Exactly.
LeAura Alderson: Fantastic. Okay, so go ahead.
Devani Alderson: What areas of business do you guys struggle with currently? I know you’ve “made it” in so many people’s minds, and maybe in your mind you’re like, you’re there. You’ve arrived. You’re running the dream business, you’re able to travel, but are there any areas that you guys struggle with?
Kate Erickson: Yeah. I think that has kind of been a struggle in and of itself, right there. Just learning how to have a location independent business. We say that all the time, and we do have that, but it’s not easy. A lot of location independent entrepreneurs like to make it seem like you just take your laptop and you go, but there’s so much to consider when you do that.
Take where I am, for example. I’m sitting in a bedroom at my parents’ house in San Diego, because this is happened to be where I ended up today. That’s kind of what it’s about, you’re not able to predict things the same way that you would be able to if you were just always at home in your office, or at a co-working space, or whatever it might be. That’s certainly been kind of new for us, is really taking that location independent thing to the next level, and figuring out what that means to get ahead.
Of course, John has the daily podcast, I have my podcast, we have a blog, we have email campaigns, we have free courses, we have webinars that we do … so, figuring out how we’re going to prepare to make sure all of those things still happen, no matter where we are, no matter what time of day it happens to be … that’s kind of something that we’re definitely still getting used to.
LeAura Alderson: I would imagine, for people who are really organized and disciplined as you guys are, sometimes taking yourself out of that structure can be the most challenging. It’s like a little bit discombobulating, and so I guess that you guys are trying … and yet, what you’ve taken is your schedule structure and your daily practices. It’s like now that you have your discipline and your daily habits, which again goes back to the iCreateDaily, you know that day in and day out this is how you’re going to start your day, and what you’re going to do.
I emailed you a few days ago to make sure that we were still on for today, because knowing that you had your home affected and damaged in the recent Hurricane Maria where you live … Puerto Rico, I should say-
Kate Erickson: Love it. [LeAura shows The Freedom Journal book by John Lee Dumas)
LeAura Alderson: And, that you’re getting ready to go on this voyage … this incredible journey, it’s like, “Are you sure that it’s still good,” but Kate’s like, “Yeah, I’m ready to go.” That’s pretty amazing. Is that (tools like The Freedom Journal and The Mastery Journal) pretty much what you attribute [your efficiency to]? We’re using The Freedom Journal in our current 100 Day Creator’s Challenge.
Kate Erickson: Oh, yay. Love that. Beautiful, oh, that’s awesome. [LeAura shows both The Freedom Journal and The Mastery Journal].
LeAura Alderson: It’s amazing, and we will link to your podcast where you really talk about helping people refine their use of the journal, but it really gets to the daily habits and the daily focus, doesn’t it?
Kate Erickson: Absolutely. I feel like that’s something that keeps up grounded amongst anything or everything that could be happening, and that is happening right now … this is by far the most discombobulated trip I’ve ever had. You know there are certain times when you are in a position to have those routines, and everything is easier and it flows.
When I’m at my parents’ house, I wake up, I get my workout in, I do my green smoothie … there’s a certain set of steps that I take every morning, my morning routine, that is pretty easy for me to replicate when I’m at my parents’ house.
Last week I was in Austin staying at a hotel, and I didn’t have access to a blender, and I was at a conference and the conference started really early, and I know how important sleep is, so I didn’t get to do my workout first thing in the morning like I usually do. There are always going to be some things that get tweaked a little bit, but I think that as long as you can keep those familiar things close to you when you’re in situations where you’re not doing it just like you would do at home, it’s still really helpful in keeping you kind of grounded in what your purpose is.
Devani Alderson: It’s definitely a good lesson … and even maybe possibly a strength for creators even though it can be discombobulating. You kind of have to figure out your steps and your strides, and how you’re going to organize your business or creative endeavors. It really is … it separates the procreative versus the non-procreative as how quickly you can adapt to just picking up and figuring it out. I think that’s a big thing for entrepreneurs, as well. The difference with entrepreneurs is they figure it out. It’s like, “Okay. Hurricane devastation, I will figure out how to do this.”
LeAura Alderson: Adapt.
Devani Alderson: Yeah, adaptability.
LeAura Alderson: In the hotel, for instance, you know Organify is one of the EOFire sponsors that you guys talk about and use, so you’ve got your green powder. So, you don’t have your blender, you can’t do the smoothie, you don’t want to travel with the blender … people do, but that’s a lot. Then you’ve got your Organify, and then what we have done in the past traveling is make sure that on every trip … like in hotels, I always take the stairs and take them two at a time, if I can do so discreetly. Basically, it’s like a step up, or even in a room I can do 20 squat jumps, 20 push ups, and 20 sit ups, and [feel suddenly energized]. It’s not the same as a complete workout, but it makes a huge difference.
Kate Erickson: Yes. I will say that I did have my Organify green juice travel packs with me, so that absolutely was my kind of substitute. I use this amazing app called “The 12 Minute Athlete”, and it’s 12 minute workouts that you can do literally anywhere. You don’t have to have any equipment or anything.
Whenever I’m traveling, and I don’t have an hour or the luxury of having my computer set up and all this other stuff, I just do the app because all I need is my phone and space enough for my body, and that’s it.
LeAura Alderson: Definitely.
Devani Alderson: Yeah.
LeAura Alderson: That makes a lot of sense.
Devani Alderson: So, moving on a little bit to inspiration … I mean, all of this is inspiring, but who are the people that you look up?
Kate Erickson: Gosh, I always say that this is maybe like a cliché answer, but John Lee (Dumas) has been such a huge inspiration for me, and he’s one of my biggest supporters. He’s taught me so much. I look up to him in so many ways, and I think because we spend most all of our time together, except for when we’re traveling like this … we haven’t seen each other in quite a while, actually. Back to you’re the average of the five people you spend the most time with, I think both of us have habits that have rubbed off on each other that we can both really appreciate, and just kind of being in an atmosphere where … and I’m sure creatives can relate … John doesn’t tell me I’m crazy for focusing on business for eight hours at a time.
LeAura Alderson: Yeah, right.
Kate Erickson: He’s not like, “Would you stop talking about ideas? It’s so annoying.” ?
LeAura Alderson: Yeah. [Love that! ?]
Kate Erickson: He’s certainly been a big inspiration for me. There are a lot of people doing so many amazing things online right now. Jill and Josh Stanton have an incredible business. They built an amazing community called “Screw the 9 to 5“, I think that that’s really awesome what they’ve done with their business. James Wedmore is doing some great things. Pat Flynn is always somebody that I’ve looked up to, and Amy Porterfield. Both of them are just like so down to earth. They were good friends of ours when we were living here in San Diego … always looking to them to kind of see what they are up to.
I take my inspiration from a lot of places. There are also a lot of books and writers that I take inspiration from, because I really love to write. Jeff Goins is like a huge role model of mine. I always love when he comes out with something new, because I just enjoy his writing style so much, and I feel like I’m able to take so much away from reading that type of writing because then you are able to kind of emulate and kind of make it your own. That’s a myriad of people.
Devani Alderson: It’s awesome because I also enjoy reading Jeff Goins, and I think one of the things there is, it’s so … his work is very much … when you read it, it’s story, but then it’s also very to the point. Like, this is the heart of what I’m trying to get at. He starts a lot of books, I’ve noticed, with what is the purpose of the book, and what is the message, and how can I peel back the onion to get to the deep message.
I think that’s a good lesson for a lot of creators. It’s like we create, and we kind of get into the rut of routine, and we have to step back and be like, “Why am I doing this? What is the deeper meaning for this, for me, and for the world?”
LeAura Alderson: That ties in … I’m going to go to here, and then I’ll come back to here. It ties in with one of the later questions that we’re going to ask, but it really fits in with the concept of … the people you’ve just described, for so many people, you are that. You are the inspiration, you and John, and you have Fire as an inspiration.
It’s like I have this vision of the painting from the heavens, you have one reaching up and one reaching down, and we’re all bridges for each other. There’s always someone ahead, and someone that we can help up, so to speak. The challenge then for successful creatives becomes how do you balance between creating versus consuming?
We’ve been really in the creating mode, and it’s really hard … and we love that, but we’re also trying to balance between the learning side of it to continue the learning. One of the things that we’ve discovered is that there is a tremendous amount of learning in the creating because it’s not a static process. It’s dynamic. What about you guys, for you, how do you balance between all that you’re doing as an implementer and a creator versus what you want to consume from those who you want to learn from?
Kate Erickson: That’s so interesting that you bring up the point for creatives. It’s really about they create, create, create, instead of having that scale tipped to start consuming to really improve the craft, or to learn from others who have come before them. I think with a lot of entrepreneurs, it’s the exact opposite. They consume, consume, consume, because they think that they need to keep learning more, and they need to know the next new thing, and they need to know what the perfect formula is for whatever that they’re trying to do.
That’s how I started. When I first joined John on the team, I was in consumption mode all the way. I was almost afraid to create because I felt like I didn’t know enough yet. I felt like I needed to learn more, that whatever I put out there wasn’t going to be good enough.
I tipped that scale by realizing that I was never going to improve my craft until I started doing it.
That was actually inspired, in big part, by Jeff Goins. If you want to be a writer, just write. That was a huge click for me, that I don’t need to consume anymore, I need to tip that scale and start doing so that I can actually start improving. Me reading enough is never going to help my writing. Me writing is going to help my writing improve.
If you want to be a writer, just write.
I think that for creatives if you just flip that, that that was my experience that I finally realized I’m never going to get better at what I want to be better at, until I start doing it. If you want to be, do, right?
On the flip side of that, I would say there has to be a point where you let other points of view in, where you explore the possibility of a different way of doing things … even if you don’t end up taking that advice, even if you don’t end up changing the way that you do your thing, to know that there are other ways out there that’s going to expand your view, and then it’s going to give you a better perspective on what it is that you have to offer the world.
You could be an amazing painter, an amazing writer, an incredible musician, but if you don’t know anything else in your realm, you’re actually not offering everything you possibly could to those who are consuming your thing. I think that that education is just so important.
If you find yourself creating for six, seven, eight hours a day, it just starts with the smallest step. Just take a half an hour of that to read something else, to learn a new musical piece, to try a different style of painting, to challenge yourself to write in a different voice than you usually do. I think that that really can start that process of that scale tipping.
LeAura Alderson: Excellent. That’s an excellent point. It ties in also with this next question. I was listening to Kate’s Take the other morning, I was listening about your launch … the launch lessons that you learned from the Freedom Journal launch, and you had all of that laid out. I have to admit that during part of it, it’s a little bit depressing, which I know was like noise to your ears rather than music to your ears, because the main thing that you want to be, and that you are, is inspiring.
The reason is because it made me feel like I was so far behind. I was like, “Oh, my gosh.” We’ve had actually failed launches because we have failed to do all that you’ve done. You guys have a team, you have a full-time person practically that helps you launch, that helps you with a Kickstarter, you’ve got a team that helped you with creation of the product, The Freedom Journal, and the outsourcing and all that.
In fact, we interviewed Richie Norton, already-
Kate Erickson: Awesome.
LeAura Alderson: He’s fantastic, and he helped you guys through his company Prouduct. What we also know is that you didn’t start there. You said you’ve got five years under your belt of daily disciplined structure creating and implementing, and incredible focus. F.O.C.U.S. = Follow One Course Until Success, (John’s mantra).
You guys have that, but knowing what you know now in this journey, and that many of our audience, are solopreneurs, or independent authors, and they’re just getting started, they don’t have the team … what would be the one, two or three things that you could recommend above all else towards their growth, and in particular, success of their launching their first product or book, or art exhibit?
Kate Erickson: I think the biggest thing for me, and what I’ve been hearing from so many entrepreneurs that I’ve spoken with recently, who are just getting started, who are just working towards their first launch … They think that they need to make like five or six things happen at one time, and that’s not how it happens. It happens one thing at a time.
The reason I laid the season out that I did that you’ve referenced on our Freedom Journal launch, the way that I did, is because I really wanted to break it into pieces. Hopefully, I was able to do that in even a small way, because that took us over a year to plan that launch. I try and focus on the timeline a lot, because we can tell the story of how we launched the Freedom Journal on Kickstarter, and the results of that, but that doesn’t show people everything that we did before we launched on Kickstarter.
I think for anyone how is just starting out, who’s just working towards their first launch, who’s trying to earn their first dollar … understand that you don’t have to do five things at the same time. It just starts with doing one single thing, and that’s a big reason behind creating the Freedom Journal in the first place. It’s to try and help people understand that nobody goes from Point A to Point Z. It starts with the very first step.
Nobody goes from Point A to Point Z. It starts with the very first step.
When you can do that one step continuously day after day, it can equal a big result. If you have this huge goal in your mind, or this big launch that you want to do … just for a second, separate yourself completely from that. Don’t think about being at your launch day and doing a webinar, or selling your art, or launching your book, or whatever it might be. Think about what you need to do right now today, to get you one step closer to that. That would be my biggest piece … yes.
When you can do that one step continuously day after day, it can equal a big result.
That would be my biggest piece of advice, because once we start thinking about how massive the goal is, and how many things we need to do to get there, we get overwhelmed, and then we don’t know where to start, and we don’t know what to do. Save yourself the overwhelm, and the stress, and feeling like you’re behind, and feeling like you’re never going to get there, and just take one step.
If it’s writing a book, if you’re working towards launching a book, what’s the outline for your book? Sit down today and write the outline of your book. That’s not a difficult thing to do. I mean, it’s not easy, but writing an outline for your book is a lot easier than thinking, “Who is going to publish this for me, and how am I going to get it printed? What if nobody wants to buy it?” and all these other things that we could consume ourselves with.
Devani Alderson: It’s like worrying about irrelevant things that aren’t even going to happen until you write the book.
Kate Erickson: Exactly.
Devani Alderson: You need to write it first before you even start worrying about all of that other stuff.
Kate Erickson: Exactly.
LeAura Alderson: These are all such good points, and really what it comes down to … having the big picture in mind, what is your number one goal? In the case of an author, it would be … this is the thing that many authors … “My goal is to write the book,” but that’s just part one of the journey. Part two of the journey is getting it into people’s hands, basically.
Kate Erickson: Yeah.
LeAura Alderson: That is a journey unto itself, and back to what we were talking about early on with connecting with your audience, while many authors are actually introverts … it may not be the easiest thing for them. Ultimately, it would be the most gratifying to begin to build an audience and connect with them.
Kate Erickson: Absolutely. I couldn’t agree more.
LeAura Alderson: I guess we are short on time-
Devani Alderson: We’re wrapping up-
LeAura Alderson: Wrap up with books.
Devani Alderson: Yes.
LeAura Alderson: We were going to cover that.
Devani Alderson: I covered that, and so I guess that was also … the final advice was focus.
LeAura Alderson: Well, besides the … yeah, focus, yeah. One thing, besides the Freedom Journal and the Mastery Journal-
Devani Alderson: I haven’t done the Mastery Journal yet. I actually tweeted John Lee Dumas one time saying, “Should these be done together? Should they be done separately?” He was like, “No, do the Freedom Journal first, then do the Mastery Journal.” We haven’t done this yet, but we have it. So, it’s awesome.
Kate Erickson: You guys are in for an amazing surprise. I actually use the Mastery Journal every day myself. I’m obsessed.
LeAura Alderson: Fantastic. To close, what book are you reading now, or else, what book would you like to recommend as one of your favorites?
Kate Erickson: I’ll tell you one of each. Right now I’m reading, “Crucial Conversations,” which has been a great read. I’ve learned a lot from it, so it’s definitely a very educational read for me. It kind of goes through the psychology of how we communicate with people, and how we could have better conversations, especially when it comes to uncomfortable conversations, whether it be with a customer, a family member, an employee or an employer. That’s been a really interesting read.
One of my favorite books of the past five years by far is “Essentialism” by Greg McKeown.
LeAura Alderson: Okay. Excellent.
Kate Erickson: That is, I think for any creative to … it’s an incredible read because it really teaches you the power of saying no, and focusing on what it is that you’re here to do.
LeAura Alderson: Perfect. We’ll definitely link that. It’s been so amazing connecting, finally, in face with you, Kate. Thanks so much for taking the time and sharing your wisdom with iCreateDaily.
Kate Erickson: Absolutely, thank you both so much.
Devani Alderson: Thank you.
LeAura Alderson: Bye.
Devani Alderson: Bye.