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If you're an iPhone user that uses only iCloud to back up
W. Curtis Preston:your iPhone, you're going to want to
W. Curtis Preston:listen
W. Curtis Preston:to this week's episode.
W. Curtis Preston:Did you know that you're a simple bar trick away from losing access to all
W. Curtis Preston:of your photos forever and being a victim to thousands of dollars of crime?
W. Curtis Preston:If you're a surprise as I was, then you're going to want to
W. Curtis Preston:listen to this week's episode.
W. Curtis Preston:And also by the way, I'm not sure Android folks are in the clear either.
W. Curtis Preston:This is going to be a good show.
W. Curtis Preston:hi, and welcome to Backup Central's.
W. Curtis Preston:Restore it All.
W. Curtis Preston:Podcast.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm your host, w Curtis Pres, AKA Mr.
W. Curtis Preston:Backup.
W. Curtis Preston:And I have with me a guy who keeps bringing me more problems.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:this time?
W. Curtis Preston:this, the, the, the thing that we're doing the episode on,
W. Curtis Preston:like, I didn't even know it was a problem.
W. Curtis Preston:And you brought, you know, and you brought me in and, and there
W. Curtis Preston:there's not, I don't know if there's really any good solutions to it.
W. Curtis Preston:I think it's just, I think this is definitely, this is a, I think this is
W. Curtis Preston:one where I think Apple needs to, needs to help, which we're gonna, we're gonna
W. Curtis Preston:talk about, um, Uh, it's one of these where, wow, I'm glad I found out about
W. Curtis Preston:it now, so that we can do some things, um, you know, to, to do at least one
W. Curtis Preston:thing to, to make it a little bit harder for someone to steal my information.
W. Curtis Preston:But, um, Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So I don't know.
W. Curtis Preston:It's just, you just keep coming up with these problems for me to solve.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and it's just, you know, sometimes I got better things to do than to solve,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:really though?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Do you
W. Curtis Preston:I don't know?
W. Curtis Preston:Do I, do I, I mean, I'm just, I'm very busy, like right now, well, I'm
W. Curtis Preston:actually, the thing I'm most busy right now is trying to solve the last problem.
W. Curtis Preston:That you put in my head.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, I'm still working on that.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, which we're
W. Curtis Preston:gonna talk about.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:yep.
W. Curtis Preston:Anyway, I'll jump in before we get started on this week's
W. Curtis Preston:episode, throw out our disclaimer.
W. Curtis Preston:You're gonna hear a bunch of opinions and they're ours, not
W. Curtis Preston:necessarily our employers'.
W. Curtis Preston:And if you.
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W. Curtis Preston:Feel free to give me more problems to solve You know, Hey, how do,
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W. Curtis Preston:friends, you know, you're like, Hey, there's this really great podcast with
W. Curtis Preston:these two fun guys that talk about, you know, some of the most boring topics
W. Curtis Preston:in the world, but try to, try to make them interesting as much as we can.
W. Curtis Preston:So this episode, I gotta say, this woman that did this research,
W. Curtis Preston:uh, there's actually two part, and there is a YouTube video.
W. Curtis Preston:That she did, which, uh, we'll put a link to it in the show
W. Curtis Preston:description so that you can watch.
W. Curtis Preston:I, I highly recommend that you watch Joanna Stern.
W. Curtis Preston:Thank you.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, I was the one that wrote it, but I think I'm gonna have
W. Curtis Preston:you describe the scenario.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah, so basically she was reached out to by someone, a
Prasanna Malaiyandi:victim, and what had happened was he was at a bar and his phone got stolen.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And the next day he went to try to sort of log in, change his password,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:all the rest, and he got locked out.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:he realized that there was a whole bunch of, I don't know
Prasanna Malaiyandi:if it was like Venmo or PayPal or whatever else, but there was a whole bunch of.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Transactions, financial transactions.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Purchases made from his phone, and he had no way to access his phone.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:He was locked out of his Apple account.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:He had no access to anything.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:He tried reaching out to Apple Support.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They weren't able to help him.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:He tried reaching out to Apple's legal and escalating it.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They said, sorry, there's nothing we can do to help you.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:He was willing to fly out to Apple or even.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Like and show his like social security number, his driver's license, all sorts of
Prasanna Malaiyandi:information to prove it was his account.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And it was so important to him because on his phone he was using iCloud and
Prasanna Malaiyandi:he had a bunch of pictures of his eight year old daughter at, who's
Prasanna Malaiyandi:currently eight years old, right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:But since she was a baby.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And so he was like, I just want access to all of my pictures of my kid, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Which was stored in that iCloud account that I am now currently locked out of.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:And, and that, that core problem right there, you know, losing access to all this
W. Curtis Preston:data that, in his case, irreplaceable, very precious data is, uh, The core
W. Curtis Preston:problem behind the thing I was alluding to earlier, a a about, uh, backing up
W. Curtis Preston:data that is on a device like an iPhone.
W. Curtis Preston:And we're, we're gonna get to that in a minute.
W. Curtis Preston:But there, there's a bigger problem here, and that is, you know, that you also
W. Curtis Preston:mentioned is that, uh, because I saw other messages about people, uh, that had.
W. Curtis Preston:Basically once the phone, once they, the, the attacker had physical
W. Curtis Preston:access to the phone and their passcode, that they also did a bunch
W. Curtis Preston:of, uh, unauthorized transactions.
W. Curtis Preston:Like I remember somebody saying $40,000 in Apple Pay transactions and so the, the
W. Curtis Preston:core thing here is that the, the attacker, the thief, basically it's, it's an old
W. Curtis Preston:school hack, but it requires two things.
W. Curtis Preston:One is they need to observe you typing in your passcode in a public place.
W. Curtis Preston:And then the second is then they need to steal your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:And the thing is, if you, if you think about that, both of those
W. Curtis Preston:things are pretty easy to do.
W. Curtis Preston:As an attacker, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Meaning that in a public environment, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So it's very common.
W. Curtis Preston:For you to, you know, some people want to use face ID to to log in,
W. Curtis Preston:others want to use their passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:Sometimes face ID doesn't work.
W. Curtis Preston:And so you put it in your passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:You're not really thinking, I think at least the average
W. Curtis Preston:person, maybe somebody that's
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Like, who's around
W. Curtis Preston:might, yeah, nobody's thinking about who's around me.
W. Curtis Preston:Like, you should be thinking about, you know, you really should be
W. Curtis Preston:thinking about the, um, it, it's like you typing in a pin at an atm.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:You should be cut or typing in your pin at a PayPal or at a, a pay.
W. Curtis Preston:What do you, what do you call that?
W. Curtis Preston:The, you know,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:of
W. Curtis Preston:yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Point of sale.
W. Curtis Preston:Thank you.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, you, you typing in your pin number there, you should be thinking about
W. Curtis Preston:privacy and hopefully you're concealing it, but you should be having that same
W. Curtis Preston:level of concern when you're in public.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Mm-hmm.
W. Curtis Preston:I think that two things.
W. Curtis Preston:One is I think that people don't think that way, number one and number two.
W. Curtis Preston:In a bar, they might be slightly compromised mentally, so they
W. Curtis Preston:might not be thinking about that.
W. Curtis Preston:And
Prasanna Malaiyandi:and I think there's also another aspect there,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Curtis, is I don't think people realize.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:How connected phones are these days to like what access it has once
Prasanna Malaiyandi:someone gets access to your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Right,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:People who have like financial account
Prasanna Malaiyandi:logins and apps on their phone.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:People who have, like you were talking about like Apple Pay
Prasanna Malaiyandi:and credit card information.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah, all of that stuff is on there.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And people just don't realize like the wealth of knowledge and that an attacker
Prasanna Malaiyandi:who compromises your phone can take.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And I, the one thing I wanna talk about is like, people are probably thinking, oh,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:but they don't have my apple ID password.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:How can they get access to my data and lock me out?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And so, I think just briefly touching on that, right, so on your phone, once you
Prasanna Malaiyandi:have the passcode and once you have the phone, right, you can go to settings.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Once you have the passcode, you can change the face id, you can reset the apple
Prasanna Malaiyandi:ID password directly from your phone.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And so what an attacker does is they go do those two things
Prasanna Malaiyandi:and now you're locked out.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Now in most cases, you're like, oh, I could just do like, forgot
Prasanna Malaiyandi:my password on Apple id and they'll send me a code and I can log in.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Well, now what they're doing as well is there's a concept in Apple called
Prasanna Malaiyandi:a recovery key, which is I think a 28 digit key that Apple creates.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That if you, if you create that key, you can't go, do I forgot my passcode
Prasanna Malaiyandi:anymore, cuz that doesn't work.
W. Curtis Preston:Well without the
Prasanna Malaiyandi:do that, Yeah, without the key, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That's the only way you can get access.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Just knowing the passcode is password isn't enough.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And so what they're doing is they're creating this and Apple doesn't give
Prasanna Malaiyandi:you a way to protect it easily, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They kind of went the approach of let's make the user experience very
Prasanna Malaiyandi:simple to regenerate these keys.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And they didn't realize that this is what attackers are doing.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They lock you out of your account, they change your passcode, they
Prasanna Malaiyandi:create a recovery key, and now you as the victim, you have no
Prasanna Malaiyandi:access to anything with that apple.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So they change your passcode, they change your apple ID password, and
W. Curtis Preston:they change the recovery key, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Even if you have a recovery key, they change it and then
W. Curtis Preston:they, they're gonna do this.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm guessing they're gonna do this pretty quickly, but maybe they
W. Curtis Preston:might not do it really quickly.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but I, I think that I, I don't, well, I'm, I'm gonna say I definitely
W. Curtis Preston:didn't think that that was possible.
W. Curtis Preston:I didn't really think about.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, what happens if somebody gets my passcode?
W. Curtis Preston:I rarely type my passcode in public.
W. Curtis Preston:Well, let's face it, I'm rarely in public, right?
W. Curtis Preston:I'm, you know, I'm not hanging out in bars, right?
W. Curtis Preston:I'm not hanging out in bars, uh, at this point, you know?
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, but I think if, you know, a younger person might be hanging out in
W. Curtis Preston:bars more often, and, um, the, just, just any bars or restaurants, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:yeah, yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:But, but, but here's another point, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So during the pandemic, my wife and I, we would go to go grocery shopping.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And at the time we were ma we were wearing masks, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And on our phone space Id doesn't work.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So of course, you pull out your phone, you need to look up like,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Hey, what am I supposed to buy?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And you sit there and you have to type your passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:right, right, right.
W. Curtis Preston:And, and so
Prasanna Malaiyandi:public place and people may not realize and
Prasanna Malaiyandi:be aware because it's like, Hey, we're just in a grocery store.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Why does it matter?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:But it's like, Nope, that's yet another situation.
W. Curtis Preston:Right, right.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Again, I don't go to the grocery store.
W. Curtis Preston:That's what I say, like my wife does most of the shopping.
W. Curtis Preston:My wife shops for my clothes.
W. Curtis Preston:She says, you know, she's great.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:How about Costco?
W. Curtis Preston:Costco.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm a Costco
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Right, and, and given you right, and knowing
Prasanna Malaiyandi:how you are with your phone, how many times have you sort of left
Prasanna Malaiyandi:your phone somewhere and walked away
W. Curtis Preston:It's never, I I've never lost my phone.
W. Curtis Preston:I've never misplaced my phone.
W. Curtis Preston:You're spewing lies.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:in public?
W. Curtis Preston:I'm saying You're spewing lies.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:I, I've left, definitely left my phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So, so basically it, it's a combination of they, so they wa they observed you.
W. Curtis Preston:Typing in your passcode, and then you left your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:You know, either they did a, they did a brush pass and, and, and did a pit
W. Curtis Preston:pocket situation, or you laid it down on the bar, and then they stole your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Right?
W. Curtis Preston:And you may think, well, I would never leave my phone.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm, I'm gonna say nonsense to that.
W. Curtis Preston:I, even if you're the least absent-minded person, Uh, you know,
W. Curtis Preston:and also if you are in a bar situation
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Or a crowded place.
W. Curtis Preston:Any sort of crowded situation.
W. Curtis Preston:A brush pass, uh, is extremely easy to do.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, you know, if you've ever seen, you know, these movies that you, you
W. Curtis Preston:see it sometimes in the movies, but if you are a good pickpocket, you can.
W. Curtis Preston:Literally, you know, and, and they, they just, they, they feel nothing, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but yeah, so that's the two thing.
W. Curtis Preston:The, the two things that you should be doing is protecting your
W. Curtis Preston:passcode when you're in public.
W. Curtis Preston:And the other being, protecting your phone when you're public.
W. Curtis Preston:If you do either of those things successfully in a public place,
W. Curtis Preston:you wouldn't be subject to this.
W. Curtis Preston:But, um, the, the
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Things happen.
W. Curtis Preston:what's that?
W. Curtis Preston:But things happen, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So we have, let's see, three things, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So three things that you should be looking at and let's start with.
W. Curtis Preston:What I think is the most basic one first, which is what should
W. Curtis Preston:be, what should you be doing?
W. Curtis Preston:If you have valuable photos on your phone Prasanna,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Or any valuable data, you should be backing it up.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Of course.
W. Curtis Preston:be backing it up.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, right.
W. Curtis Preston:If you have any data that's valuable anywhere, you should be backing it up.
W. Curtis Preston:And you say to me, you say to me, but Curtis, I have iCloud.
W. Curtis Preston:What's the response to that?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Well, a, I don't use iCloud, but I will ask a
Prasanna Malaiyandi:question, but Curtis, you use iCloud.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So, okay, so, so two things.
W. Curtis Preston:One is iCloud is not a backup.
W. Curtis Preston:iCloud is a synchronization tool, okay?
W. Curtis Preston:At best, iCloud is a second place to store exactly the same
W. Curtis Preston:thing that's on your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:So if.
W. Curtis Preston:Someone hacks your phone or hacks the iCloud account, they can delete one and
W. Curtis Preston:it synchronizes and deletes the other.
W. Curtis Preston:That's, it's not a backup, it's a synchronization tool.
W. Curtis Preston:That's, that's a really important thing to understand.
W. Curtis Preston:Number two, if you, as I do have the optimized storage option turned on,
W. Curtis Preston:uh, what's stored on your phone is actually a thumbnail of the image or
W. Curtis Preston:video, and the actual image or video is up in the cloud, which means that.
W. Curtis Preston:The actual thing that you're trying to protect, I think with this, with
W. Curtis Preston:this, Victim that started this whole story, he probably would've taken
W. Curtis Preston:the, the thumbnails and he would've
Prasanna Malaiyandi:now.
W. Curtis Preston:he would've been happy.
W. Curtis Preston:But you know, you want those high-res versions and those are only in Apple,
W. Curtis Preston:which means the data that most people really value if they turn on that option,
W. Curtis Preston:which I think most people turn on cuz they don't want to buy a 256 gigabyte iPhone.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and, uh, but it's only stored in the cloud.
W. Curtis Preston:So.
W. Curtis Preston:It's not, so, it is absolutely not a valid way to back up your iPhone.
W. Curtis Preston:So, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:uh, well, and if you get locked out like we've been talking
W. Curtis Preston:and if Yeah, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:And if you get what the whole point of this story, right?
W. Curtis Preston:If you get, if you get locked out of iCloud, if you get locked out
W. Curtis Preston:of your Apple account, which is what will happen if your phone is
W. Curtis Preston:stolen and they have the passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:If you get locked out, you won't be able to access that iCloud version.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and this is pretty big deal.
W. Curtis Preston:So really what's the only solution to that?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Back up your data to something other than iCloud.
W. Curtis Preston:Right, right.
W. Curtis Preston:Which, um, I'll just, I'll just quickly, um, throw this out.
W. Curtis Preston:The, the, there's two quick options that I've been, I'm experimenting
W. Curtis Preston:with right now that so far appear to work and we're gonna, but we're
W. Curtis Preston:gonna have, uh, another complete episode about this, uh, coming up.
W. Curtis Preston:And that's Google Photos.
W. Curtis Preston:And, uh, a product called iDrive.
W. Curtis Preston:iDrive is a, just an independent backup product, I'd say between the two.
W. Curtis Preston:So far, I like, I, I like the functionality provided by iDrive better.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, it's also less expensive than Google Photos, but Google Photos is a little
W. Curtis Preston:bit more of a full featured photo app, whereas iDrive is just a backup app.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but
Prasanna Malaiyandi:but there'll be a full episode on this.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah, there'll be a full episode on that coming up.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, cuz I'm still, I'm still sort of researching that.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm also looking, and also I'm, by the way, one of the things I like
W. Curtis Preston:about the iDrive app is that it works for both, uh, iPhone and Android.
W. Curtis Preston:Google Photos works for Android, but it has the same problem that iDrive
W. Curtis Preston:or Photos does for iPhone users.
W. Curtis Preston:So I wanted a, an option for those.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, yeah, so that's, um, And it's, it's, it's incredibly affordable.
W. Curtis Preston:It's not something, it's incredibly affordable.
W. Curtis Preston:It's very non-invasive.
W. Curtis Preston:Turn it on and, you know, set it and forget it.
W. Curtis Preston:And if this was to happen to you, at least you wouldn't lose access to all of your,
W. Curtis Preston:um, specifically your photos and videos.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So I have a do have a question.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I know we will cover this later.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:If this scenario happened to you and you had the iDrive software
Prasanna Malaiyandi:installed on your phone, can an attacker go and delete all your data
Prasanna Malaiyandi:from the iDrive app on your phone?
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, no.
W. Curtis Preston:No, because specifically if they've got your phone, they only, they
W. Curtis Preston:have a very limited, uh, set of functionality available on the phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, they would need your iDrive password and login to iDrive
W. Curtis Preston:itself, the, the website, uh, to be able to delete old backups.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:can I ask the next question?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So then I don't know how it works with Dashlane, but if someone was
Prasanna Malaiyandi:using like the iCloud key chain and they had access to your phone, they
Prasanna Malaiyandi:had your password, they changed your apple, uh, apple ID password.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Could they get access to your iCloud key chain now
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:and get access to any password store there?
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Two,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That, that, that,
W. Curtis Preston:so.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah, I'm not a fan of Apples key chain, right?
W. Curtis Preston:I mean, we, we've, you know, we've talked about, I'm glad you again,
W. Curtis Preston:see, this is what I'm talking about.
W. Curtis Preston:You're just good at coming up with problems.
W. Curtis Preston:But yeah, don't, uh, this is why, you know, we talked about,
W. Curtis Preston:you know, we're, we're full supporters of password managers.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, we, we just did the, the last pass episode.
W. Curtis Preston:And, um, you know, I just published it, which will go live
W. Curtis Preston:just, uh, uh, uh, this weekend.
W. Curtis Preston:But the, and if you haven't checked that out, it's basically the lessons that
W. Curtis Preston:we learned from the last pass episode.
W. Curtis Preston:But, um, the, um, I lost my train of thought.
W. Curtis Preston:What were you asking me?
W. Curtis Preston:Oh, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So we talk about, you know, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So iCloud keychain and using your the Chrome password manager,
W. Curtis Preston:still better than nothing, but it puts you at a real risk of.
W. Curtis Preston:Other exploits, uh, because for example, if somebody can log into Chrome, they
W. Curtis Preston:can export your passwords and they, you know, they can do whatever they want.
W. Curtis Preston:Same thing with iPhone.
W. Curtis Preston:If they change your passcode, um, then they have access to the,
W. Curtis Preston:to the key vault, and then they can use it to do other things.
W. Curtis Preston:Now, I, I highly doubt that an attacker who's just trying to
W. Curtis Preston:steal money, uh, is gonna also want to go attack my photo backup.
W. Curtis Preston:And iDrive, I don't even think, I think they're the.
W. Curtis Preston:Security by obscurity, uh, is in your favor, but it is possible, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, but they can also log into, they could do more scary things
W. Curtis Preston:like logging into your, uh, bank accounts and do things like that.
W. Curtis Preston:Right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but like, and, and that's why with Dashlane, it requires me to
W. Curtis Preston:put in my, um, My password or, uh, my face, um, uh, you know, so,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Wait, that's it.
W. Curtis Preston:what, well, you gotta have the phone.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So they have your phone,
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:And then it,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:
:they have your passcode.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:
:They can
Prasanna Malaiyandi:
:change your face
W. Curtis Preston:dash lane P passcode, the
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It, it is
W. Curtis Preston:dash lane Master password they would need.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:okay, so you need to enter your dash lane password, and
Prasanna Malaiyandi:then also either a code or your face.
W. Curtis Preston:no, you, you need the phone and the master
W. Curtis Preston:password or the phone and my face?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Can they put a new face idea in?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I think when you, that's a great question.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, No.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:No.
W. Curtis Preston:So yes, they could put in a new face, but when you do that, it,
W. Curtis Preston:I'm, I'm sure we gotta check this,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I would hope.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I hope
W. Curtis Preston:sure that when you put in a new face on face id, it deactivates
W. Curtis Preston:anything that was using face id.
W. Curtis Preston:And then you have to re reenable it, like in this case, dash lane.
W. Curtis Preston:You would have to reenable face ID with, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:W with the new
W. Curtis Preston:with the new,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And you'd have to enter
W. Curtis Preston:have to put in the master password.
W. Curtis Preston:I don't know that for a fact.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, but I believe it with all my heart right now because
Prasanna Malaiyandi:hope so, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:I would hope so.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, Dar see again, giving me more problems.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, we gotta, we gotta go check that.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I'll, I'll, I'll change my face ID to somebody else and see if it
W. Curtis Preston:still works with, with Dashlane.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:
:or just do it yourself.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:
:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Oh, I guess I could do a new face ID with my own face.
W. Curtis Preston:Right?
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:I don't have to use somebody else's.
W. Curtis Preston:So good news and bad news.
W. Curtis Preston:The good news is that.
W. Curtis Preston:Dashlane at least did the right thing.
W. Curtis Preston:So again, the worry here is that in this scenario, a hacker
W. Curtis Preston:steals my phone and my passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:They're now in my phone, essentially as me.
W. Curtis Preston:Face ID won't let them into dash lane.
W. Curtis Preston:And, uh, they don't know my Dashlane password, so they can't do that.
W. Curtis Preston:But what if they reenable face ID basically put their
W. Curtis Preston:face in the place of mine?
W. Curtis Preston:What would dash lane do?
W. Curtis Preston:The really good news is that dash lane said, ah, no face
W. Curtis Preston:ID is new since the last time.
W. Curtis Preston:And so you need to put in your master password.
W. Curtis Preston:That is great news.
W. Curtis Preston:The bad news is Venmo and PayPal did not behave that way.
W. Curtis Preston:So using face ID on Venmo and PayPal.
W. Curtis Preston:Didn't seem to help.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, I, so first off.
W. Curtis Preston:Just a reminder.
W. Curtis Preston:I do believe strongly in password managers, I believe strongly in third
W. Curtis Preston:party password managers like dash lane.
W. Curtis Preston:And I think in this case, if you're not using Dashlane, I would then go
W. Curtis Preston:check with your password manager.
W. Curtis Preston:Reenable face ID, basically putting a new face in there.
W. Curtis Preston:And then seeing what your password manager does.
W. Curtis Preston:I'd love to hear back from you again, DME at WC Preston on Twitter.
W. Curtis Preston:So, so, What's our next one here?
W. Curtis Preston:And that is, um, if your phone is ever misplaced or stolen immediately, not
W. Curtis Preston:later this evening, but immediately borrow a friend's phone, borrow
W. Curtis Preston:a friend's computer, go to the nearby web terminal, whatever.
W. Curtis Preston:You can log into your iCloud count immediately and put your phone as lost.
W. Curtis Preston:Now, having said that, Um, that's gonna be a problem if you're
W. Curtis Preston:on an unknown device, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Because iCloud has mfa, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So, um, hopefully you go ahead.
W. Curtis Preston:What were you gonna say?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:and, and this is where I think make sure on your
Prasanna Malaiyandi:iPhone you set up recovery contacts,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So you can assign in Apple right on your phone to say, okay,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:if I'm coming from a, if I.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Coming from a device that I don't, or unauthorized device, then I
Prasanna Malaiyandi:don't, I'm not able to receive the two factor authentication.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So here are other people you can contact that I trust, and they'll
Prasanna Malaiyandi:send them the code there, and then you can get it from them and use that
Prasanna Malaiyandi:to now access your Apple account.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and so, uh, you could basically call your, call your friend, wife,
W. Curtis Preston:whatever, um, and say, Hey, I need you to really quickly log into my, you know,
W. Curtis Preston:or authenticate me so that I can, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yep.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And it's very simple.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They just need an Apple device and they say, yep, the person is good to go.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And then
W. Curtis Preston:Right, so that you can log in and deactivate the phone or
W. Curtis Preston:the, you know, put the phone is lost.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, cuz that's the thing you wanna do really quickly.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, so that the, and, and then what you're hoping at that point is that the
W. Curtis Preston:person hasn't yet done the thing, right?
W. Curtis Preston:If the moment they steal your phone, they immediately lock you out, then there's
W. Curtis Preston:not, there's not much you're gonna do.
W. Curtis Preston:But what's the final thing, which is as far as I can tell, the best
W. Curtis Preston:option in terms of preventing.
W. Curtis Preston:The theft, uh, you want to talk about that?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:yeah, and this is a feature which I don't
Prasanna Malaiyandi:think many people actually know about, or those who know about it.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Associate it with kits, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It's a feature Apple has called Screen Time, which allows you to sort of monitor
Prasanna Malaiyandi:how much usage, who's using what apps, and typically use it for your kits, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So you can give your phone or your iPad to a kid.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They could use certain apps within it, but they can't get to like settings.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:They can't.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Load all content, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It does content filtering and other things like that.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:But it also has a feature which allows you to say, okay, when I enable screen
Prasanna Malaiyandi:time and it's my own device, I can also restrict certain content in
Prasanna Malaiyandi:certain privacy settings, if you will.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And one of those, when you enable it, is to not allow account
Prasanna Malaiyandi:changes or passcode changes
Prasanna Malaiyandi:without, without asking for a different passcode.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And I think that's the key, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah, that's the key.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:So you, first thing you do is you, you, you create a screen time passcode, which
W. Curtis Preston:is a, it's only a four digit by the way.
W. Curtis Preston:Create a screen time passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, minus 77.
W. Curtis Preston:77, just so you know.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and then,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:6 66.
W. Curtis Preston:um, and then, uh, so you create that, and then
W. Curtis Preston:you go into, so you go into this app, it's called Screen Time.
W. Curtis Preston:And by the way, that's two words, screen time.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, not to be confused with FaceTime, which is one word.
W. Curtis Preston:And then, um, you go into content and privacy restrictions, and then you scroll
W. Curtis Preston:down to passcode changes and account changes and changes to don't allow.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, right.
W. Curtis Preston:So basically if you are logged well, it means that whenever you're logged into
W. Curtis Preston:your phone and you want to change the passcode or account changes, you are going
W. Curtis Preston:to need to enter the screen time passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:Don't forget it.
W. Curtis Preston:Um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:but if you forget it, it's not the end of the
Prasanna Malaiyandi:world because you can still reset it.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:If you can log into your Apple ID on say a different device or on the web or
W. Curtis Preston:Right, right, right.
W. Curtis Preston:But yeah, that, that, if anything, this, this maybe just slows them down.
W. Curtis Preston:It just slows them down, giving you time.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and they will be locked out if they enter the passcode,
W. Curtis Preston:uh, incorrectly too many times.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yep.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, the, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Which I think it's a good thing, but.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I think like we talked about, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:For this option, I don't think anyone knows about it.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I didn't know about this,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:that they could be used in this way.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Basically protecting you.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Somebody grabbing your device, changing it so that they can't change the passcode,
W. Curtis Preston:um, without this other passcode, right?
W. Curtis Preston:And this is a passcode and this one never enter in public, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Never, never, never enter this.
W. Curtis Preston:This is a super secret passcode.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, Apple could do better here.
W. Curtis Preston:They talk about this apple.
W. Curtis Preston:Even if, like, I am a little disappointed to hear that even if you
W. Curtis Preston:can prove that you are that person, right, uh, that apple will not, uh,
W. Curtis Preston:get you back into your own account.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I, I don't know if that's, is this one of those things where.
W. Curtis Preston:That this is a security feature that, in other words, like, like
W. Curtis Preston:they can't reset your passcode.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I think because at this point you're sort of using device level key, right.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That's why once you create the recovery key, they can no longer do the reset
Prasanna Malaiyandi:because they don't have the other half
W. Curtis Preston:Right, right,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:access the
W. Curtis Preston:right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, Yeah, I, I, I think Apple needs a better option than
W. Curtis Preston:what they currently have.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and now, and maybe with this coverage in Wall Street Journal,
W. Curtis Preston:uh, maybe it will change that.
W. Curtis Preston:So, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Or, or the other thing is if you can, I know this is kind
Prasanna Malaiyandi:of limited to Apple ecosystem, but some people have multiple devices, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So just do a verify on a different device when you are like changing
Prasanna Malaiyandi:your recovery key, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:You do this in other places, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Where it's like pops up and so it's like, Hey, so-and-so is asking do you authorize
W. Curtis Preston:Right, right.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I, I am curious to know to what degree, is this an iPhone
W. Curtis Preston:problem or is this an, is this a also an Android problem?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Ooh.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I unfortunately haven't interacted with the Android ecosystem in a
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah, me neither.
W. Curtis Preston:Um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:because I know Google has recovery keys, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:For Google accounts.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I just don't know if that applies on a Google
W. Curtis Preston:I'm gonna have to pull out my, my backup Android device.
W. Curtis Preston:I have one.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and just, and just see what happens, right?
W. Curtis Preston:I.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but anyway, I, you know, I hope this is helpful to folks that, I
W. Curtis Preston:mean the, the, you know, in terms of the topics that we cover, right?
W. Curtis Preston:We, you know, we we're concerned about you and your data, and so there are
W. Curtis Preston:multiple ways to protect your data.
W. Curtis Preston:One of which is to, is to, uh, oh, there was one other, by the way, one
W. Curtis Preston:other thing that we didn't talk about, and that is when it talks about, um,
W. Curtis Preston:payment methods that are on your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Make sure that whatever you connect as a payment method on your phone has
W. Curtis Preston:protection built into it, for example, You know, visa cards, MasterCards, debit
W. Curtis Preston:cards, um, these all have, and maybe Apple Pay itself, I don't know if Apple
W. Curtis Preston:Pay itself has protection built into it, but if you're using, um, and, and,
W. Curtis Preston:and you should look into that, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Because what happens if you get subject to this and then someone just takes.
W. Curtis Preston:40, you know, they charge $40,000 worth of stuff.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and then boom, your accounts wiped out and you can't get that data back.
W. Curtis Preston:So what I'm saying is, let's, let's assume Apple Pay doesn't
W. Curtis Preston:have any protections built into it.
W. Curtis Preston:If you directly connect it to your checking account via the
W. Curtis Preston:account number, uh, not your debit card, you have no protection.
W. Curtis Preston:If Apple Pay doesn't provide any protection,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I think your bank account only does $50,
W. Curtis Preston:think so.
W. Curtis Preston:I think that that is only via, if they do it via debit card.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I don't, I don't know.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, you know, we're, we're not financial, uh, advisors or whatever.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, look into, look into that, right.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, Venmo, PayPal, all of these things.
W. Curtis Preston:Right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, what are the protections on them?
W. Curtis Preston:I am curious.
W. Curtis Preston:Um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:also consider what you do on your
Prasanna Malaiyandi:iPhone or on your phone, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Ask yourself the question, do I really need that on my phone?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Do I need access 24 by seven to my financial account on my phone?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Like one of the things I do is, so I like with my bank that I
Prasanna Malaiyandi:can do mobile deposits, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:And so, but to do that, I need the app.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So what do I do?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I install the app, I do my mobile deposit, I delete the app,
W. Curtis Preston:But in the ca.
W. Curtis Preston:Oh, that's interesting.
W. Curtis Preston:That's a little much.
W. Curtis Preston:I mean, because at least with those apps, you need the pa, you need a
W. Curtis Preston:separate passcode to get into those apps.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, but, but like, uh, like Venmo though, let's see.
W. Curtis Preston:If I go to Venmo, cuz I have Venmo, um, boom, I'm in Venmo,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yep.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:no, passcode
W. Curtis Preston:no passcode for Venmo.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, and there's no passcode for a, well, no Apple Pay.
W. Curtis Preston:You need a, you need to put in.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Face
W. Curtis Preston:fa face id, that's what I normally use.
W. Curtis Preston:But what's your backup?
W. Curtis Preston:It's your passcode, isn't it?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Changed.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yep.
W. Curtis Preston:Hmm, hmm.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I wonder if anyone's on threat modeling on this.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Interesting.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:But Venmo, uh, and PayPal, but PayPal.
W. Curtis Preston:Because I have PayPal on my phone as well with PayPal.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:It just logged me in with face id.
W. Curtis Preston:So with PayPal.
W. Curtis Preston:With PayPal, I need to put in my PayPal password or face id.
W. Curtis Preston:We really need to check out the face ID situation.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, again, um, Oh, look, I just spent $203 at, uh, via PayPal
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Oh, Costco.
W. Curtis Preston:to buy?
W. Curtis Preston:No, to buy tickets to go see, um,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Oh.
W. Curtis Preston:the musical six.
W. Curtis Preston:It's the, it's the six wives of King Henry vii.
W. Curtis Preston:So anyway, it's a musical.
W. Curtis Preston:It it, and it's funny, it's got, um, it's got a modern take on it,
W. Curtis Preston:but anyway, so I just, I just bought tickets to that to go see in July.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm very excited about that.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, no one cares anyways, so, but everybody's like, well, this is
W. Curtis Preston:kind, this is kind of the end.
W. Curtis Preston:So, uh, we've come up with some new problems.
W. Curtis Preston:This is what I'm saying.
W. Curtis Preston:Like I said in the beginning, you just gimme more problems.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, I.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Well, I think, I think it's enough problems.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It's awareness.
W. Curtis Preston:Awareness.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Uh, be aware, uh, your phone is, uh, you know, it's an, it's an attack point.
W. Curtis Preston:It's an attack vector, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and there are, there are some things that you can do to
W. Curtis Preston:prevent it, uh, number one, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Don't put your passcode in public and be really careful about what
W. Curtis Preston:you do with your phone in public.
W. Curtis Preston:Number two, uh, is this, um, screen time feature?
W. Curtis Preston:That you can, uh, put in place and well, I should have said this is number one.
W. Curtis Preston:Number one, back up your stuff via something that isn't iCloud or
W. Curtis Preston:Google Photos if you use an Android.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, and, uh, we're gonna do another episode on that.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yep.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Oh, the other thing I wanted to mention, yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:The one thing we didn't touch upon, but it might be useful is if you do happen
Prasanna Malaiyandi:to use like an Apple watch, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It does have a functionality to tell you when your phone goes missing, right?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Or when it goes too far away.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:So that might at least help you notice ahead of
W. Curtis Preston:you, with your Apple watch, um, say that your phone is lost?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:I don't know.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That's another question we will
W. Curtis Preston:can't, you can.
W. Curtis Preston:You can, if you are, uh, on wifi or you have a Apple phone or an
W. Curtis Preston:Apple watch with a cell signal.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Cell phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, Because you have, you have iCloud, you have, um, f uh, fine mine.
W. Curtis Preston:You had fine mine in there.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, so yeah, so if you, if you do have, that's a good point.
W. Curtis Preston:If you do have Apple Watch, uh, uh, then you could do that, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Um, I like that feature.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, you just lost your phone.
W. Curtis Preston:I would immediately then go,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Where is he?
W. Curtis Preston:yeah, I would immediately, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, all right.
W. Curtis Preston:I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell a funny story really quickly because it involves,
W. Curtis Preston:uh, my daughter and losing an iPhone.
W. Curtis Preston:In public, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So my daughter, uh, don't do this at home kids.
W. Curtis Preston:My daughter, who's, uh, let's see, 28, um, she, she lost her phone at a bar and she,
W. Curtis Preston:um, she pulled up on her husband's phone.
W. Curtis Preston:She pulled up the location of her phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Have I told you this story yet?
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Mm-hmm.
W. Curtis Preston:you, okay, so this happened a couple months ago.
W. Curtis Preston:So she took, she, she pulled up the location of her phone, and so she
W. Curtis Preston:saw that the location of her phone was now, um, several miles away
W. Curtis Preston:at a house, uh, in, interestingly enough in, uh, the neighborhood
W. Curtis Preston:where my brother-in-law lives, right?
W. Curtis Preston:Which isn't the nicest neighborhood.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:And so she goes over there and she knocks on the door of the
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Wow.
W. Curtis Preston:where her phone is pinging.
W. Curtis Preston:Okay?
W. Curtis Preston:And, um, the mother.
W. Curtis Preston:She, she knocked the, I think the mother was out in the front yard, right?
W. Curtis Preston:So there, there's a, there's an older lady out in the front yard
W. Curtis Preston:and she said, yeah, my phone is like pinging, um, you know, over here.
W. Curtis Preston:And, um, and she's like, well, I don't know, you know, whatever.
W. Curtis Preston:And so she calls her, she calls her, um, She said, well, you know, nobody
W. Curtis Preston:here has your phone or whatever.
W. Curtis Preston:I think maybe she went inside or something, and then my daughter
W. Curtis Preston:being like this innocent, like, what?
W. Curtis Preston:I just don't understand.
W. Curtis Preston:Like it's pinging, it's pinging inside your house.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:And my daughter, she wasn't alone.
W. Curtis Preston:She was with three Marines, but, but.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Okay.
W. Curtis Preston:But
Prasanna Malaiyandi:That's pretty gutsy.
W. Curtis Preston:but they weren't, they weren't armed.
W. Curtis Preston:Right.
W. Curtis Preston:So, so, so she's like, yeah, I, it's just, it's ping.
W. Curtis Preston:Is there anybody in the house maybe that you could ask that
W. Curtis Preston:May, maybe they found my phone.
W. Curtis Preston:So she goes in and she gets the, her son, the woman's son is in the house.
W. Curtis Preston:The woman's son comes out and it's the bouncer from the bar who
W. Curtis Preston:helped them look for their phone.
W. Curtis Preston:And it was like busted.
W. Curtis Preston:And she got, she got her phone back and I'm like, please don't do that.
W. Curtis Preston:Please.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:It's
Prasanna Malaiyandi:like you'd
W. Curtis Preston:you know,
Prasanna Malaiyandi:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:uh, you know, when, when, when, when my brother-in-law
W. Curtis Preston:found out that, that my daughter had been, you know, in his words had been
W. Curtis Preston:going, you know, knocking on doors in the hood to look for a stolen phone.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, yeah, maybe she, maybe she was worried about this story.
W. Curtis Preston:Um, somebody, yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:Anyway, all right, well, um, nice chatting with you, Prasanna.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:As always, Curtis, and yep.
Prasanna Malaiyandi:We'll figure out some of these issues with face id.
W. Curtis Preston:Yeah.
W. Curtis Preston:And also, uh, you know, thanks for listening folks and
W. Curtis Preston:listening to my silly stories.
W. Curtis Preston:And be sure to subscribe so that you can restore it all.