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Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots. And let's get right it's another episode of the industrial talk podcast. This platform, of course, is dedicated to you, the women and men of industry, the women of men, of manufacturing, all things in between you are bold, you're brave, you dare greatly you innovate like nobody's business, you're changing the lives and you're changing the world as we speak. That's why we celebrate you on this particular podcast, because we just plain love you. All right, in the hot seat in the hot seat this time, Michelle is her name. Reines is the last name that's spelled r e i n e s. Badass Leadership is the company. She's the founder of that wonderful leadership company. It's a great conversation. She brings mad skills. Let's get cracking. All right. You're gonna like this conversation. You just can't bring the goods if you come in and say, hey, I've got badass leadership skills. You can't you've got to live those bad, badass leadership skills. And she does man. She's got a great, great attitude. Great story. Great motivation. Absolutely wonderful conversation. Okay, we're gonna make this one quick. Again, you need to be collaborating, innovating, right? And you need to be educating all the time, all the time. Because you need to be resilient. You need to be tenacious, and you need to do it with a sense of speed, we need you more than ever. Absolutely. Without a doubt, we need you more than ever. Now, you can always go out to industrial talk.com that's where I'm at. Reach out to me, I would love to have a conversation with you. I would love to be able to get you on the podcast, I would love to be able to celebrate your story because your story needs to be told, get on this doggone podcast. And let's get that story out there. Because you deserve it. Yeah. And and I'm the water's fine, man, I'm, I make it easy for you. You don't even have to worry, you don't have to sit there and say, Oh my gosh, I'm going to be on a on a podcast, we're gonna be heard by a lot of people. It's, we have a great time. But the most important thing, the most important thing is that you do need to get your story out. It does have to happen. You have a wonderful message to tell people who need to hear it. And more than ever, right? And that's why this bolt. This platform is about collaboration. 100% It is about innovation. We highlight all of the great people that are in the world of innovation, you know that? And it's all about education. We got everything out there on industrial talk.com reach out, Doggone it I saw technology baby. I can I can reach you in a big way. All right. She's in the hot seat. Michelle is in the hot seat. She's got a great snack card out there on LinkedIn. But I get you got to understand, man, I love this type of candid reality type of points and we go through all 12 and it goes by fast and she doesn't mess around. And we have a great conversation. So enjoy this particular interview because she's badass. Alright, Michelle rhiness. Welcome to the industrial talk podcast absolute, and I mean, absolute honor that you have taken time out of your busy schedule. And I think you're at the West Coast and it's still early there.
Yes, it is. I have one cup of coffee down so far. Oh, yeah. I'm
a coffee. off of that. It's good stuff. By the way. good coffee, Stumptown.
Oh, haven't heard of that one.
Oh, you got a Stumptown there you go Stumptown, I just give me a plug out there they go. Cool beans, grinded French press it delicious. Whoo.
I can think I can handle that.
Yeah, it is. It's it is good. All right, for the listeners out there. Now, I want to make sure you understand listeners, you need to go right now why she's telling her story about who she is sort of a little background loop. For one one, you need to get your paper and pencil because we're going to go down 12 and has this cool, badass leadership, things that you need to consider and write them down. Plus, we're going to have a lot of connections. So Fear not, you're gonna be able to connect with Michelle in a big way because you're not going to be disappointed. Alright Michelle, with that, give us a little 411 on who you are.
Absolutely. My name is Michelle Reines. I'm a Southern California bass gal but originally a Midwestern are out of shy town. Love it. miss it, especially the pizza and the hot dogs and the baby
food is just oh my god is committed to the food. Food Industry stuffs fine, but the food is where it's at.
It's not Yeah, I think on a diet. Just to go Because I always gain five to seven in three days. It's
insane. It's delicious.
Yes, yes. Anyway, so I'm a leadership development coach now. But really, I'm, you know, a grassroots gal I grew up, started out in sales, and then worked my way up through operational leadership and made a lot of mistakes. Hence, the book is called from bad to badass. So the book is primarily about all the bumps and bruises. And so that's been my journey. And that's where these lessons were born from, from all the mistakes that I've made all the human capital casualties that I've caused, the operational dysfunctions that happened along the way. And so really, that's who I am and why I'm doing the work I'm doing as a badass leader.
I like it. And if you were listening to a little buzzer back there, I had a fan on me. So I'm sorry about that. I've, I've shut it down.
You hot flashing this morning.
I'm always hot flashes. I'm always warm. I don't know. And I live in Louisiana. It's amazing. I'm gonna digress real quick. When we first moved out here 20 years ago, I remember and we moved from California Yorba Linda area and moved out here. And I remember, mowing my lawn in Yorba Linda took me about a half hour max. And that's with chit chatting with the neighbors. Coming here. I got this big ol yard, I thought it was gonna have a coronary. A ride mower with a cup holder. Right? So let's let's start into what we're talking about what if this was a leadership conversation, this is truly important. You know, as well, as I do listeners out there, we've been talking a lot about collaboration, innovation and education, with a sense of speed and purpose, and tenacity. This is where we're at today. This is what you need to do. And all of the conversations that I have, regarding any innovation, technology, anything like that it gets down to culture, and people, you need leaders. And if you've been listening to the podcast, you know that I think this challenge is to finger death punch that we had with COVID highlighted, unfortunately, are fortunately, great leaders, and not so great leaders. And I think I put the pressure on the ones that are not so great. And and really expose some of the challenges. And that's why this conversation is so, so spectacular. All right. I'm going to start out with the question real quick, Michelle, like, let's let's lay the mistakes down. You said you made eggs. Just let's talk a little bit about that.
There are so many let me start with my, what I call my cataclysmic wake up call, which was when I was, you know, I firsthand experience the Peter Principle. So for those of you who haven't heard of it, it's when you're promoted to your level of incompetence, which I most definitely was the greatest sales field, put some fantastic numbers up on the board, got some recognition from the powers that be at the corporate headquarters and boom, earned a promotion. Now I had 14 to 18 lives it was responsible for and zero competency when it came to understanding how to lead. And my wake up came in the form of a pile of resignations and in keys and some very colorful language letting me know where I could stick it and what they thought of me. And it wasn't and you know, the the scariest part about it is I was oblivious. You know, I was an unconscious manager, I wasn't a leader. So I lacked self awareness, I had no idea I was blowing it, especially when it came to human capital. And that was the first time that I realized and really became familiar with my mere with it my team, that's my results. And I was fortunate enough to be 25 at the time, or just turning 26. So to get that lesson at such a young age was really important because it really set the course correction for me of what would be a lifelong commitment to learning how to lead.
Isn't it interesting how companies and as happens all across that it's not one company or another companies just do this, you have success, you have success out in the field, you're doing whatever you need to do. And there's just this natural tendency to say, ah, success out in the field, great leader. Not the case carry on. It just happens over and over again. And not only that great leader, but we don't have to train because we don't want to train. We don't want to educate. We don't want to do all of that. But why not? Because she's had success over here. guaranteed success over there. And it just is an absolute. I could say some
It's dangerous. It's a little dangerous. Yeah.
Not to say it doesn't happen successfully. And sometimes it does, but that's the reality of it. So you have this experience. You're saying Damn, I got I've got some challenges here. People are putting the right and Yeah, you got to build it back up. You got to figure out you have some real challenges. So this started your journey on on the badass leadership road. Is that correct?
I would say that the real the reality of badass leader was wasn't born until after I became a leadership coach. But I definitely got on the path of recognizing that I needed to do something differently for people to want to play on my team. And at that time, we're talking early 1990. So I'm 56 now, right? So in early 1990s, there wasn't, you know, an abundance of great leadership books, we were still very top down as, as leaders. And then I'm a female leader in downtown Chicago, right. So man's down, especially in the 1990s. So I didn't have a lot of resources didn't have the support. So I had to figure out how to basically bolt it together, and, and try different things to figure out how to get people to want to get out of bed and come and play their ass off for me on my team. And so that's where I started to get on the path of Okay, how do I figure it out? And one of the first things I did was Well, first off the bad news, the really bad news that made that cataclysmic failure even worse is I was working in a unionized an environment. Yeah, you don't want to mess with the union. People.
My there man, bad.
Shy town unions. Yeah, I mean, it was so I really blew it. So I had, you know, the unions weren't anxious to bring and give me personnel replacement personnel. And I'm sure not going to have people walk through, you know, in the blacklisted because they're, you know, trying to come to work for me. So I had a lot of bridge rebuilding to do and trust to earn before I could even start rehiring. So it was it was bad news was with the engineering and janitorial unions and downtown for building managers. not pretty. Yeah. So but great experience, you know, and what a great education for me to figure out how to, you know, choke down some Humble Pie very quickly, and then figure out how do I now get replacement workers it'll it'll come to come to work for me because my reputation was was crap at that point.
Yeah. I don't want to ask what you did. It was not fun. It was easy. Hi, I found the the napalm bomb. Just sitting there just torching and it's sticking on people and everything. I've been there done that I know exactly what it's all about. Let's, let's turn the table. All right, paper and pencil time. Everybody out there. We're gonna go through the the 12. Right. The 12 is I can't say 12 steps. It's not
your ship lessons.
That's about right. That's 12 leadership lessons. And we're gonna start with number one. Okay, paper and pencil right here. It's easy. It's an easy one. Talk about Don't be an ass. Exactly.
Yeah, talk, guys. Yeah, so that was my that was my first bull ride, what I call in the book, my bull ride my fall from grace. So with that team, that's why
you are NASS,
you're an ass absolute ass. And I was oblivious to that fact, which is actually quite dangerous. And, and over the years, I've worked with a lot of executive leaders and middle mid level leaders that are oblivious to the fact that they're also a mass. And so that lack of self awareness is scary, especially in an environment, which was the environment I was in where the metrics were looking good. I mean, we were month over month kicking butt. And so on paper, if you're sitting in a C suite, and you're looking at reports, you're thinking Michelle is out there getting it done, and her team's kicking ass. And the reality is the way I went about it, it's not sustainable. And it you know, fortunately for me, they walked out that the really scary part of the slow bleeds, right? The people who you start losing one at a time. And so it's really doesn't hit the radar, you don't get the blip that, hey, maybe it's a leadership problem. And so you get that slow attrition. But for me, I had an abrupt wake up, multiple people walked out at once. And so I couldn't hide behind that. And so that's where it gets really scary when you have unconscious leadership at the helm. And they're getting results either because of you know, the industry is wrong, right. And they have the right products, and they're in the right timing in the right environment. But they still suck as a leader. Imagine how much that's costing organizations. But here's the deal. How
did how did you come up with the fact that you were being an ass? I know, I,
I did it you made.
But you have to have a self awareness, you have to have that level of humility to say, yeah, I'm not a nice person. And it's, and it shows. Yeah,
well, and the metric I was measuring for success was the one that was on the page, right? And so when the people came up and basically said, You're a B, and you're this that need to get more out of here. You know, that was my wake up call. It wasn't my self awareness. They brought it to my attention. And then I realized I'm the common denominator here.
I'm the problem. When it gets down to humility, you're gonna have to just accept it, no matter how painful it is. You're gonna have to just say, Yeah, I stepped to the door. My family tells me that I am. Just is
joshy maybe it's not true. But when you get to her more
Yeah, I do. All right. You got that level? Don't be an ass. That's number one. And you're gonna have to just sort of have that self reflection. If you're sitting there going, I'm not an Ask your NASS. Figure it out. Alright, number two, stop, drop. Take a selfie. Yeah, I'm intrigued
talk. Yes. So now that you know that you're an ass, right? So you need to stop, drop, take a selfie and figure out what's working for you that you want to keep in your toolbox, what's not working for you? That's blowing people up causing human capital casualties costing your organization's money and in brand reputation and so forth. And then what is it that you need to do differently, so you really need to self diagnose. And there are a ton of tools out there that you can leverage to help get a better understanding of how you communicate, from you know, engagement tools to personality profiling, one I'm a huge fan of is the everything disc product. My MDR brand supports it fully and we leverage it in our toolbox, that badass leader, so you know, get to know your selfie. And I you know, I use a play on word but words but the reality is you can't fix it. If you don't understand what's not working. It's just like a diagnosis. You go to a doctor, you get a diagnosis, you get a treatment plan.
Yeah, and I can see how and being who I am. If I go down this road, I've realized that I am an ass, and I realize I need help. And then I go down the road and I do the self assessments and I figure out what my strengths, weaknesses, whatever it might be. I'm not done right now. Typically, typically, I'm gonna say, All right. I'm ready to roll. I'm a leader now. All right, let's
go It is the first step.
Yeah. And I mean, it's just he got it. What I'm saying, ladies listeners is you got to just keep going. Don't don't just stop and say hey, number two, I'm done. I, I am. There it is. Alright, number three. Let's talk about trust baby. Let's talk about
so yeah. So you know, I one of the things I wanted to follow up with on a comment that you made is I think about leadership, as you know, you buy the you invest in that gym membership, right? And you go and you work out really hard for a week. Yeah. And then you're like, Okay, I'm healthy. I'm fit, you know, and, you know, it's like, if you don't show up, and you don't do the work and you're not consistent, then you're not going to stay healthy. You're not going to say fit. So it's evolved, right? Yep. Yeah, so So let's talk about trust, baby. So trust is now that you understand what's working for you not working for you what you need to do differently, then the most important thing when it comes to people and leadership, is to make sure that you're pouring the concrete in the foundation of trust. Because that is that is, you know, and it's not my revelation, there are a lot of leaders before me that have come up with that. But I can tell you that when your teams don't trust you, or when I don't trust a leader, I'm not going to give them all of my equity. Right? I'm not going to be going the extra mile, right, I need to know that I feel safe, and that I can speak my, my my truth. Right, and that I'm gonna that you'll go to the line for me that I can trust that it's a safe environment. It's a safe culture. Yeah, you know, all of those things are critically important. You know, and it is the foundation on which about esteem is built, you know, and that that is a critically important next step for leaders.
I've been in organizations where that trust is not available, nobody feels comfortable with say, no, that's not a really good. And if they share their insights, whether it's right or wrong, it doesn't really matter. That feeling of being able to share is so important, because nothing. I mean, come on. It's like you got to be able to do that and have that that trust boy, once you do, great things can happen. Right insights can happen, which is just absolutely spectacular,
which makes you better as a leader and makes your team better.
God Luli. All right. Let's talk a little bit about put your people first What?
Yeah, so now that you've established trust, right, you need to make sure that as a leader, that you're prioritizing people over performance, which Wow, is that counter intuitive to everything that organizations teach? Right? It's about the metric that we look for is the performance result. But what we forget is that the machine that gets us there are people and so we have to take care of our people first in that metric of the performance is the outcome you enjoy cuz you're a badass leader.
Yeah, see, I've always get it take the picture of if you are in a leadership role, right? It I always upset turn upside down that pyramid, you're at the bottom, maybe you're at the bottom and you're helping others succeed, whether he like it or not. And if they succeed, we all succeed and we're sipping champagne. If you are flipped around, and you're sitting there yelling at him, and now you're drinking beer, trust me you're drinking beer, not Champagne.
Yeah. Well, you're back down to lesson one, right? You're being an ass. So you have to flip the pyramid. You do. Yeah. Do.
All right. There you go, man. So far, so good listeners. I'm telling you right now I'm enjoying this conversation. All right. Number five. Be an epic coach. Gotta be.
Yeah, that is Boy, that's a lesson. That's an investment. I wish I had done so much earlier in my career. Yeah, I, you know, I would if I had to do over, I would actually get certified as a coach when I was in a leadership position. Because there's nothing more transformative, pardon me, with a team then having a leader who's an epic coach, and knowing how to coach and knowing exactly what your people need, and when they need it. And they need it served up their way, not your way. And you have to understand your teams, you have to know how to apply those coaching skills that is a true Maximizer to outcomes. She has a lot of fun.
It is but I think that it segues into the next one, which is really important. Let's say I've, I've realized I'm an ass, I take this steps to stop being an ass. I start to build trust, right? And then I put my people first. Now I'm building my epic persona, my coaching capabilities. And now we got to build that doggone team that that badass team. Talk to us a little bit about that.
Yeah. So lesson six is you know, once and that's the key, you just did what exactly what the book is designed to do. It's all about stacking the lessons, right? So you got to start from with lesson one all the way through five. And then because you're epic coaching, you've got that foundation of trust. Now you're in the now you have the capacity as a leader, to design to recruit to build that badass team. And building a badass team is everything from your recruitment processes, your interviews, your onboarding process, your ongoing coaching, how you integrate them to your team, building what I call a musketeer workforce, to where they understand the culture is all for one One for all, we don't throw each other under the bus. We don't, you know, it's not an egotistical environment, and that those types of bad behaviors will be held accountable and not tolerated. So it's really setting the framework for the culture that you expect your team to help uphold. And then you have to be willing to hold people accountable when they step out of line, right?
Yeah, but but but again, if if you do the steps one through five, the correct way, then everything else is fine. It just sort of falls into place. Now, many of the conversations I've had, especially right now, as we sort of look at this next normal, new normal, whatever normal that we call it, a lot of companies are trying to survive trying to rebuild. Right? And how do you prosper in this new world that we call it? And what's interesting is that a part of that is you got to make you have to make resource decisions, people human decisions, not everybody, I think pre virus, we are a bit lazy, little fat, little, you know, slow and sluggish. Now the virus, we better be lean and focused and sharp. And that comes down with the team and I like that build that badass team. Those are great questions to have in it. Of course, to do that there's a ton of other steps to be able to follow but we're not gonna we're not gonna but that's in the book is it? Is it is it's absolutely in the book. segue right there, baby. All right, this is an interesting one. Got the badass team. Now you want to create a struggle? Yeah, that? Well,
here's the thing is this is what got me in trouble, right? This is what caused the CATA cosmic explosion or the bull ride is that I created the struggle I came in, I did a takeover on a team. And I went in I created struggle, I didn't have less than one through six in play, right? So I showed up as an acid, it backfired, right? So that so the premise here is take care of lesson one through six and you can create the struggle all day long, your people trust you, you can stretch them, you can grow them outside their, their comfort zones, you can expand their job descriptions, you can cross pollinate. Now you can leverage and the idea is, you know, I say in my book be like Gumby and stretch them, you know, stretch them into their greatest possibility and let them discover their potential. That's what great leaders do we create more great leaders. It's leadership is not a title. Right? It's an attitude. It's a commitment. It's a behavior. And so anyone can be a leader. And so our can our role as a leader is to develop other leaders. And this allows us to do that.
Yeah, but and I'm telling you right now, you're not gonna be a good leader, if you're not struggling if you're not struggling each and every day. And if you're not feeling that, and if you're not overcoming and, you know, climbing that mountain and doing the things that you need to do in your week. Yeah, you're not growing, you're not growing at all.
Yeah, you know, the growth and possibility are outside the comfort zone. It's not inside. Yeah,
some days I don't want to push it.
But today I'm not. It's
a good day
today. All right, let's go to eight. Suck it up, Buttercup.
Yes. And boy hasn't this year given us an opportunity to do some of that. So that so how are we? So no,
no, this is great for me to be an asshole. That's why I really am one,
we're in a constant state of re innovating right evolution can this is now you know, you go right down to you know your purpose where you say collaborate, innovate, educate, right, and we do it with with purpose and tenacity, right? So these lessons help you do that. And in the in the midst of a struggle or suck it up Buttercup mindset is really when we are in the trenches, and we're going through be at a crisis, that ticket one of the examples I use in the book was the 2008, real estate market collapse, you know, I was in real estate operations under a brand new construction project that was going coming out of the ground ultimately going to be 3000 residences, and boom, the 2008 rug was pulled out from underneath us, right, you had fewer people, loss of benefits of people handing in keys and walking out on their assets, you know, people committing suicide, I both, you know, I mean, it's like, really, really bad crisis. So as a leader, I mean, all eyes are on the leader. And so how we suck it up and present ourselves to our team, they're going to help them navigate, or they're going to collapse. And so it's really important that we know where to go to help get support for ourselves. But we don't get that support from our teams. We get it from peers, we get it from mentors, we get it from our leaders, we don't want to, you know, share our you know, worst fears and drama downward through the organization. We want to empathize, but our role is to support and navigate.
I like it. I like it. Absolutely. Spot on. Number nine, we're gonna have to zip through a little bit because we're running out of time. So let's do these things. Don't be a kiss ass, please.
Yes, yes, please don't. Yeah, so I will keep this one short. But the reality is that we have to learn as leaders how to communicate respectfully sugar free in order to get our objectives achieved, and that's a talent, and it can be done, it can be learned, and it's critically important. We know how to do that. Why leaders? Yeah, they need to know how we think they need to know when we disagree, and we need to know how to disagree. last thing you want is an artificially harmonious environment. And if you're a kiss ass, that's what you're creating.
Love it. Love speaking my language. Be a groupie? Yeah. Don't Don't be a kiss as well be a groupie, be a groupie.
Yeah. And the groupie part is for your people. Right. So, you know, one of the metaphors I use is you know, when I go to see you know, if I'm going to go to a Metallica concert, right? You know, I'm buying the T shirt, I'm getting in line I want in the autographs, I'm you know, screaming and hollering and acting like a lunatic. So excited and enthusiastic. And I don't even know these guys, right? And so I work with people every single day, my team, I need to be a groupie. For my team. As a leader, they need to know that you're their number one fan.
I see. I like that. And you're the first person that mentioned Metallica on just real talk. Which is all cool. Don't get me wrong. It's cool. All right, expand your tribe number 11. Expand your tribe.
Yeah, so the idea here is this was a too little too late lesson for me, I should have been drinking from this Kool Aid a lot sooner, we're better together. Bottom line, we need to expand our tribe. And we need to cross pollinate and share our intellectual capital with one another makes our organization stronger, healthier and more competitive.
And that's part of that collaborative collaboration mantra. Because you're absolutely correct. You don't have all the answers. No, you might have a little sliver of that pie. But somebody else might have another sliver. And and better together. Yeah, it's on my notes. Good. Now well, last one number 12. love somebody like you. Yes,
there's a song like that by Keith Urban. It's a great song.
But that one what's your Metallica now?
I hate I've diversified the fight with my music tastes. So love somebody like you is a personal story. It's a it's a lesson that I learned from my ex husband who is dying from cancer and who ultimately did did lose his battle. And what was interesting is he was an achiever of life, you know, much like I am he was on the Ferrari gas pedal of accomplishing life. And once you know you are hit with what they call a death row. diagnosis. Perspective changes very swiftly and the education I received from him in his final months that he he fought like hell, but was that There were three things that he found most important that if he could reset, how to do over, he discovered that the most important thing in life was health, and that all that he had acquired, and he had been quite, quite successful. Yeah, he would have given all of it away to have his health. And the reason why he wanted his health was for lesson, the second piece was more more time. So he really wanted time. And the third piece of that was with those he loved. And so the his value system was just flipped on his head. And so that is critically important. So when we think about being badass leaders and getting all lessons one through 11, together, if we're not taking care of ourselves, and we're not taking care of our mental, physical, emotional health and well being, then we're never going to really be a truly badass leader. And I have to confess, a lot of people have challenged me and said, How come that's less than 12? If that's so important, and I said, because it's an autobiography, this is an autobiography of lessons learned. And this is a lesson that I still get to align properly. Because I'm an accomplished author, I'm a gas pedal results oriented kind of gal. And I need to constantly be reminded that I need to take care of myself, and so that I can take care of others. And this is a work in progress for me. So I really invite listeners to put number 12. And at number zero, right, let that be your foundation that you build all other 11 lessons off.
Yeah, but here, here's, here's the reality guide. I don't think people realize it until they're in that position. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And it's hard not to go through the, the 12. Learn the 11 steps and understand because baked in there is a, like I said, a desire to be other focus, humble, beautiful qualities. And until you have those and see them and experience it. It's hard to even begin to address that desire to health, mental physical, be with somebody and that's, and I always say, Hey, be bold, be brave. Dare greatly, right? Yeah, like your gas pedal analogy. You're going to change the world. But the best part about that hang out with people who are bold, brave and daring greatly. And I'm telling you, you're unstoppable. And it is on and it is exciting. And it's
It's it's a fun ride. I don't care if he's whatever success means. But it is fun. And I always encourage that. always
asked me to
number 12. All right, you asked about there on LinkedIn.
Yes, you betcha.
All right, listeners. Now a couple of things. Couple of things that we need to talk a little bit about here real quick. Just real quick. Don't don't don't walk away yet. We're gonna have a couple of links. I think you could get our book right. You could get your book out there.
Yeah, it's on Amazon.
That's a must read. And then I think you have something else that is something about the toolbox lesson. Yeah. So
on the website, one go to badass leader calm. And then check out the toolboxes. Not only are they fun and make you laugh as you read through it, but there's some really fantastic resources there to help you get that selfie in alignment.
Love it. Alright, leaders. See how I did that that industry? You need to reach out to Michelle rhiness. Now she spells it. Just FYI. Our Ei n e s? Yes. But it's pronounced rhiness. So don't make that mistake, put it there. Type in badass and you'll find her
badass later, you'll find me. Yeah. And don't forget about the gift page because I did set up a gift page for your listeners where they can download some fun goodies. And so if they go to the website, badass leader.com Yeah, forward slash, podcast hyphen gift. It you're not going to find it if you go to the website because it's only for podcast listeners. So your secret thing on the back the podcast, I think
I need to have that on my website, right? Yes, she did. All right, listeners. Michelle Ryan is username badass leadership. Is it the organization and I'm telling you she brought the truth bombs big time. Thank you very much for joining. Oh, was a kick. Thanks
so much for having me.
listeners. Don't go away. We're gonna be right back. And I'm gonna wrap it up on the other side. So stay tuned. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.
All right. What did I tell you, Michelle Reines. Those 12 points are absolutely spectacular. I guarantee you she's got a book out there. You need to get it. You just got to have those points down. You got to live those points. And and I'm telling you, you will not be disappointed. And I mean, she's got a job to her. She's got a great stat card. She's a lot of fun. Alright, Michelle Rines. Now that's our Ei n. e S. Do not make mistake, putting a little comment in there badass leadership. You will find her. All right. Be bold, be brave, you know that I'm gonna do that all the time. Be bold, be brave, daring greatly. You've got to do that more than ever before. Right now, right now, right? You got to do it. But more importantly, find those bold, brave and daring greatly professionals. Bring them in, start to collaborate with them, start to innovate with them, start to educate, and I'm telling you, you're going to change the world. Remember, reach out, reach out to me industrial talk.com I'm here in the waters nice and warm. We're gonna have another great interview right around the corner. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast. We will be back shortly