How to Use Analytics to Drive ROI in Value-Based Care with Summit Health,:
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Dr. Jamie Reedy: While there are many aspects of data quality that can and should be assessed, there's a few key signs that lead to confidence by end users in the quality of data. And we have really found those to be the correctness, the completeness, the integrity, the validity, and the relevance of the data. And addressing all of those are just, just incredibly important.name is Bill Russell. I'm a [:
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We have Dr. Jamie Reedy Chief of Population Health at Summit Health and Dr. Ashish Parikh who is also at Summit Health. And I'm looking forward to this because this was a presentation that you did at HIMSS. And I, I was fascinated by the analytics around the ACO, analytics around population health. So thank you very much for coming on the show.
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Thank you for having us.ttle bit about Summit Health [:
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Sure. Let me kick that off Ashish Parikh. I'm the Chief Quality Officer for Summit Health and Summit Health grew out of the merger of Summit Medical Group, which is a multi-specialty. Over a hundred years old in Northern New Jersey, across the full spectrum of outpatient and ambulatory care. We have over 80 specialties and we offer comprehensive, coordinated care on a single EHR to all of our population. And in 2019, we merged with City [00:03:30] MD, which has 140 plus locations of urgent care centers across Metro New York, including Northern New Jersey. We thought it was a perfect merger in order to give that comprehensive continuum of care, whether it was from pediatrics to end of life, whether we think about it from prevention and primary care to chronic condition and kind of end stage management and from ambulatory office based to urgent care to, to hospital-based care.l group out in Bend, Oregon. [:
Bill Russell: So Oregon, New Jersey and New York, that seems like a, not necessarily a geographic strategy. Seems like it's a strategy based on something else. Am I missing something there?or their patients in a truly [:
Bill Russell: So number of, of managed lives that the ACO covers?
Dr. Ashish Parikh: So we have about over 165,000 managed lives in both Medicare, Medicare Advantage, as well as commercial value-based contracts in New York and New Jersey. And then about 25,000 out in oregon.
Bill Russell: Fantastic. All right. So that, that gives us the scale. Tell us about the ACO vision and the journey that you've been on.t Medical Group started as a [:
[00:05:30] And by doing this, we were able to control the number of contracts we were in the amount of risk we were in and the number of patients that were under our ACO and progressively increase that it also gave us a chance to grow our group at the same time. So in parallel to increasing the number of contracts and the amount of risks we can do to grow the number of primary care physicians we had and the supporting specialty physicians, as well as the population health management infrastructure needed to manage those patients over the last thing.s talk about the information [:
Dr. Jamie Reedy: Sure. So I can take that one. So in order to be successful in an ACO or any value-based program, we've learned that you need to have access to lots of data and you need to make that data work for you.set as our foundation, which [:
So we [00:07:00] prioritized the use cases where we wanted data to drive workflows. For example, active management of patient attribution is critical for success and accountable care. And this includes knowing who your patients are, where they are, how sick they are and what services they need to achieve optimal outcomes.eir daily workflows in those [:
And develop enhanced and predictive analytics that would grow in sophistication and impactability as our care teams were growing in their ability to use the data, to inform their workflows. And we also needed our analytics teams to generate scorecards from these data sets that our providers and care teams could [00:08:00] use to know that their workflows were making a difference in improving health outcomes.
So those are a few of the foundational capabilities that we felt were really needed, where we needed data to support.
Bill Russell: So that's I mean, that's fascinating. So you have foundational dataset, you have workflow support, and then you have enhanced analytics is the foundation. So, talk to me about where the data comes from. We heard some of it's coming from the EHR. Some of it's coming from claims. Are there other sources of the data?here are. Data can come from [:
In the early days, we integrated all the common data sources, such as health plan eligibility and health plan claims data, the clinical EHR data and practice management data, data from our core facility partners. So hospital admission and discharges [00:09:00] and various reference files that were very unique to our value based care contracts. But there are other data sources that facilitate connectivity to an extended network of data. That's highly valuable for patient care. For instance, as we progress deeper into our risk journey, adding data related to risk adjustment, and coding gaps became critical. And in this age of virtual care, telehealth and remote physiologic monitoring data is critical for coordinated and [00:09:30] comprehensive patient care.
And now there are more and more sources of socio-demographic data as well that help us understand the potential social needs of our patients, which are incredibly important influencers of health outcomes. So that the data sources we integrate are really driven by our business needs and prioritized by considering technical challenges for accessing the data with each of these data sources.o integrate, to match to our [:
Bill Russell: On the show, we've talked about a whole patient profile, building a whole patient profile and it sounds like you guys are getting pretty, pretty close to that.
Can you touch on the social determinants data real quick. Where are we getting that? Are we getting that from surveys and that kind of thing? Are we actually connecting into I don't know, some partners who are bringing that data into us?that data directly from our [:
But in the meantime, our analytics vendor has incorporated into their platform a census track data. And the [00:11:00] US census data that it's collected actually annually, I believe it's called the American community survey is integrated right into our platform. And so that data at the zip code level helps to inform some of the risk stratification of our patients within our analytics work.
Bill Russell: Talk a little bit about the value and the role of the claim.or in any sort of incentive [:
And so complete claims data provide us that full visibility. In the early days of our value based care journey, our health plans were actually reluctant to provide this level of data, but we're finding now that most health plans are open to providing the data limited only by regulatory and privacy concerns.s in a position of having to [:
We also use claims data to assess where our patients receive care such as ambulatory procedures and infusions. And this data allows us [00:12:30] to better educate our physicians about the cost differentials between different sites of care and allows us to develop patient facing message about the value of outpatient non-hospital sites of care in order to avoid the claims data gaps, or lags and receipt.consequences for the overall [:
Bill Russell: I'm looking at your presentation and you go into data quality and I'm going to ask the question, which sounds like I'm not a former CIO for a health system, but how important is data quality and which I think I know the answer to, but how do you know that your data is high quality and that it is trustworthy?cture, poor data quality can [:
Organizations should consider really two important consequences for data quality. If the care teams using the data find flaws, or don't have confidence in the data, they're going to disengage with your analytics. And then additionally, if your care teams need to confidently use the data for its intended purpose, if the data doesn't readily support that accuracy or [00:14:00] efficiency of use, they're going to further disengage.
So incredibly important to get it right from the beginning. We desired strong engagement with our data. We were hyper-focused on data-driven workflows. And so when we built out our analytics platform from the beginning, we built in strong data quality review processes. Every data set that, that we integrate is put through rigorous review and testing before it's incorporated into productionized analytics.d be assessed, there's a few [:
It's often easier to define data quality by exploring what it feels like when it's absent. And there are some emotions and responses that our physicians and their care teams would experience that reflect a potential mistrust of the data. Like really can be overcome by strong [00:15:00] data quality review processes.
So for instance, lack of confidence in our unreliability of the data, data that's new and unfamiliar may not be understood and hence not engender confidence in end users. Or uncertainty is common when clinicians are unfamiliar with a source or completeness of data. And so provider education about the data sources and how we validate them is, is absolutely critical to successful use of the data.er month reporting can cause [:
Bill Russell: Now you're getting the claims data from trusted sources. But I noticed in your presentation, you talked about some of the issues with claims data. What are some of those issues?
Dr. Jamie Reedy: Yeah, I think there's a number of things that we can highlight. As we've mentioned, claims data is critical to managing financial risk and outcomes.And really in [:
So we work with our health plans to make sure that we're reviewing these changes in advance and as much as possible in [00:17:00] order for our vendor to be prepared. And then health plans often do not include indicators of whether a service is provided inside or outside of the health plans network. And given that out of network services are, are usually so much more costly and payers are often holding us accountable to in network referral rates, this can make it very difficult to measure performance.
Bill Russell: Is it easy to address the claims data quality issues?g I would recommend that any [:
But, as part of our ongoing partnerships with our health plans, we educate them regularly about how we're using the data to guide better care for their members. And when the health plan understands the importance of the data to the care of their patients, There's so much better cooperation with us.ly and complete provision of [:
When we do receive external files for integration, our vendor routinely assesses the files and notifies us of any lags or incomplete files. They're running inbound, telemetry and quality checks on all files before uploading them. And if a file does fail, we're able to quickly assess why. For example, where new data fields [00:18:30] added that we weren't notified of.
And then we go back to the health plan and we quickly, work through those issues. And then all of our files are reviewed with respect to EMPI mismatches, and other standard data quality checks, which really helps us discover very consequential changes well in advance before that data gets incorporated into downstream reporting that's used to inform workflows.y because now you've got to, [:
Dr. Jamie Reedy: Sure. So as Summit thought about driving value out of our many integrated data sources to support patient care and to support our business decisions, we narrow down to [00:19:30]three main priority areas.
First we wanted our data to inform the daily workflows and to immediately impact patient outcomes as I, as I mentioned earlier. Secondly, we really desired to use our expanded data set to give our providers real-time visibility into their performance and opportunities to improve care in the short term, as this would then inform the incentive programs that we put in place for not just our physicians, but for care team members as well.And then lastly, we're [:
We recognize that this data infrastructure that we've created is just the foundation, but we really wanted to put the, the value into those three categories so that we could justify, analytics [00:20:30]requests. We did refine these three priorities upfront and it really helped to inform key questions that we asked ourselves internally, as we considered sort of the best technology and analytics strategy for summit.tise and ability to turn our [:
And this question really led to an assessment of whether we desired to build our own homegrown solution and build the team to manage and maintain the solution versus buying a technology solution that was really custom made for the use cases and priorities that I just mentioned and that we were trying to solve for.ced vendor. And so we turned [:
And the breadth of actionable reporting that you can create out of this data initially can be overwhelming and so we really narrowed it down in the beginning to just four categories. Reports that we're going to immediately drive workflows. Reports that would inform our [00:22:00] stakeholders. Analytics that modeled the ROI so that we knew that we were making the right investment. And then data that directly impacted our strategic decisions on growth and program development and clinical workflow challenges.
And I know Dr. Parikh's prepared today with a number of examples to show you what we did with our data in those four priority areas.
Bill Russell: Yeah, and I'm looking forward to getting there, but I, if you don't answer the question, I'm going to get a bunch of emails, which is who did you use?unate to have partnered with [:
Bill Russell: Fantastic. Okay. That saved me a bunch of emails. And and I appreciate you for the detail that you gave us around the program. And so let's, let's get to. We have this in place. We have this platform in place but there's a lot of different areas we can start going after along that chain to create value. How do you identify the areas to prioritize first?r analytics platform and our [:
And as a independent medical group we also have found that, that the more we spend on a patient in the ambulatory setting and the less we spend on the inexpensive care settings, like hospitals and emergency rooms and post acute care facilities, the better the outcomes and lower the total cost of care.pitalizations and how can we [:
We looked at our transitional care management program to see how can we optimize that to minimize readmissions to it, back to the hospital. Then we moved over to other opportunities. And whenever we think of value and we try to convert all of our [00:24:00] stakeholders into value based believers, we always use the value formula, right.
Improve outcomes, which is basically better quality, better patient experience. Appropriately capture disease burden so you have the appropriate cost benchmarks and then reduce costs. But again, if you do that, the outcomes part, the costs will follow. So then we looked at where are our costs opportunities. For example, pharmacy, we know it's one of the largest and fastest growing segments of healthcare expenditure, particularly biologics, infusions, and especially pharmacy.we, we looked at where's the [:
So we looked at pharmacy. And then we moved on to more ambulatory level types of analytics in terms of annual wellness visits and things like that.e incentives. So, talk about [:
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Absolutely. And, and again, we always lead with our providers and our clinical teams in particular. We lead with the fact that what you're doing is better for your patients and better to get outcomes. But as you said, it never hurts to have your incentives aligned with that.including quality measures, [:
And so we have this perfect every single specialty, whether you're a dermatologist or pediatrician or behavioral health specialist, but in particular for our primary care physicians, we wanted to really move that one step further and tie a panel-based outcomes and performance and its impact on our value based contracts.e on this, we came up with a [:
You're going to keep them healthy and out of the hospital. So one measure was the risk adjusted admission 1000 and the other was a quality impact score, which took some of our major quality measures that are pairs of holding us accountable to such as cancer screenings and immunization rates and chronic [00:26:30] condition management diabetes and heart disease.
And we took their panels and what we saw, what was the impact of their performance on each of these quality measures on our value-based contracts. So it, it took into account the size of their panel, as well as the difference in performance for their panel compared to the summits overall performance.secondarilty it will impact [:
Bill Russell: So you guys are doing this across a single EMR, is that correct?
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Yep. Absolutely.
Bill Russell: Yeah. In Southern California, I was asked to do this across a hundred different EMRs and man, what you're describing is really elegant compared to what we were able to do, given the complexity of pulling, pulling all that in and then delivering it back into the workflow. But let's talk about that workflow a little bit.of the physicians when they [:
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Your absolutely right, it's much easier to do this with a single EHR platform, which we're, fortunate to have and was, was the strategy from the beginning, right.ysicians or care teams going [:
So for our disease burden accuracy, we already knew the codes that were building our EHR. And we could always put a surface those for our providers to, to make sure that they're captured every year and consequently addressed. Right? These are clincial conditions that need to be addressed. If you have a bill from you have to address them.captured on EHR because they [:
There's a chance that they're diabetic even going code. So our, our coding compliance team is able to take this combined EHR and claims data, find additional conditions that the patient may have, and then surface them within the workflow of the EHR so that the clinician can then decide, yes, this is a true condition I haven't addressed yet.go ahead and address it. Or [:
Bill Russell: One of the areas in your presentation I found interesting was a skilled nursing facility performance. And you sought to improve that performance. Talk about the role of data in that process.ed the next generation ACO in:
And with our patients going to, to over a hundred skilled nursing facilities across the state, and even outside of our state, we have many snowbirds from New Jersey and New York that will end up in Florida and Arizona and other places we really wanted to figure out how can we help positively impact that care and those outcomes.italists and post-acute care [:
And say look, here's your length of stay for the same DRG as our other partners. And how can we help you improve that so that we can get better outcomes for our patients. And so we were able to develop this, a skilled nursing facility dashboard and it's been so successful that our Katie has actually taken this and made a part of their product that is now available to all of their clients across the network.nd with the bundled payments [:
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Again as I kind of previously mentioned, we basically looked at the drugs that we had the greatest utilization for and decided to target those. [00:31:30] And we figured out that there's a couple of things you can do there.
One is the site of care, right? So, the same infusion done in a hospital-based ambulatory facility is going to have a significant greater costs than an ambulatory infusion center. And then secondly, we have our own infusion center. So if we're able to identify those patients that are getting infusions outside, getting particularly in hospital-based facilities and move them to our facilities, one, you reduce a cost of care.venue generator for us while [:
There was a lot of overdosing or wastage and so being able to then pull that data in, we were able to identify those opportunities, educate the providers to, to make sure we use the optimal drug as well as the optimal.sts are great, cause they're [:
Dr. Ashish Parikh: Sure actually, any wellness visits the report was actually one of the examples of what Jamie talked about in terms of looking at the ROI of our strategy. So we had already implemented a pretty comprehensive annual wellness wellness visit strategy several years ago and had [00:33:00] gotten our annual wellness, it's up well over 75% of eligible population. What we wanted to see, are we getting our bang for the buck?
Is it just that people are doing AWVs or is it making an impact? And with our analytics platform, we were able to show that patients who got annual wellness visits had multiple benefits. One is the obvious ones, things like they had far better quality gap closure site or care gap closures in some measures up to 40% greater than people that didn't have any wellness visits.% improved quality gap [:
What we had unexpected benefits that we didn't notice that people who've got AWVs had more ambulatory spend within our group for other things. Right? So they got more preventative services within our group. They saw more of our [00:34:00] specialists. And because of that, again, we remedied we generate more revenue while reducing total cost of care. And then the last thing we found was that people got Annual Wellness Visits tended to be continued, to stay attributed to our value-based contract populations. So again, again, makes sense, but the additional benefits we were able to show, and because of this we were able to go to leadership and things like any wellness visits and other things where we show the ROI, we're able to justify the investments to continue these strategies or to expand on these strategies. The [00:34:30] benefit of having robust analytics.
Bill Russell: So I've, I've gotten into a habit of closing my podcast in a weird way. And that's letting you guys have the last word and say, you know what question didn't I ask? What's the close for this? The takeaway that people should have?really four takeaways about [:
Analytics can inform when and how an organization takes on upside and downside risk and provide data that's really critical to effective negotiations. So that's, that's one. Secondly, analytics has allowed us to maximize our organizational investments by identifying the very best opportunities to create new population health initiatives.arikh talked about, in order [:
So, so none of that would've been possible without the analytics capabilities that we build. So I'll leave you with that.is there anywhere they could [:
Dr. Jamie Reedy: They're welcome to contact us directly. I think we're both on LinkedIn with our cell phones and email addresses and we would be happy to talk to folks about this work and share a share of war stories with others.can subscribe on our website [: