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Aloha Flow Riders and welcome to another edition of The Flow.
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Today is a good day. Today is a good day. There's a song about that.
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Anyway, we are going to bring in one of our favoritest, favoritest Ecamm fan
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members who also happens to just run all myriad sorts of marketing things over at Shore.
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She is a expert of all sorts of things.
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But before I bring her on, I want to get everybody in the building to throw
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that 100 emoji into the chat because she just kicked off 100 episodes of her
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podcast, which is super cool.
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I remember this podcast starting in a bathroom with the predecessor of what
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we're going to talk about today.
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So I'll further edward, let's say sup to Laura Davidson.
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Oh my gosh, what's up?
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What's up?
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so oh my gosh oh my
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god is that hilarious it's funny because it came back because
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of comes because of Kendrick but that's just hilarious that was my favorite
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thing when I was a kid it was so fun it was so good yes so first of all congratulations
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on your podcast thanks and I remember this conversation in Albany New York like
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what is it like two and a half years Oh my gosh,
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A people video?
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Yes. And you were like, okay, I started my thing. I'm like episode three and
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I've been recording it with this. And I was like, what the heck is that?
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You go, I didn't show you this. And I was like, oh my God.
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And so, yeah, that was that OG MV88.
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So come on, come on. What are you talking about today then?
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We are a fun story talking about the brand new wireless MoveMic 88 Plus.
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That's what we're talking about. In my video, I'll go ahead and expose my joke
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now because I think it's funny. In my video, I say, in this time, the plus means minus.
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That's good. That's good, Doc. You should be in marketing.
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It turns out.
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Turns out. Funny story. Yeah. Yeah.
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I love that.
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It is so exciting. So you're actually hearing it right now. I am speaking into
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another one that is right here, right in front of me.
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And I am using it in cardioid mode because fun story about this,
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which I'm going to make some noise, tilt it up just a little.
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fun story about what doc likes about this a
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lot is that with the mv 88 plus its predecessor
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which looks funny strangely exactly the
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same uh just shorter you can change the
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polar patterns so how it actually picks up the sound coming into the mic now
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you could do that and it's wireless so i have it in mono cardioid mode meaning
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it's picking up what's coming directly into the mic rejecting what's coming
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in from the rear and the sides uh but you can put it in stereo mode you can
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put it in mono-bi-directional mode,
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meaning you could set it in between yourself and a guest and capture their audio, your audio.
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And then raw mid-side, which is another fancy way of saying it's going to open
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up all the surfaces of the microphone, so the two stereo capsules and the monocardioid
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capsule, and pick everything up so that when you put it into your DAW in post,
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you can split it into multiple tracks of audio, which is super dope, as Doc would say.
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Yes and i i will answer the question and just get the the dog out of the room real quick um
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So this is this is a point of contention with the internet um i am an old school og
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audio person and little kids i shouldn't say that that's super mean um little kid relative
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limited experience people on the internet that are
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all screaming about like everything should be 32 bit float
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and not really because first of
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all you don't need it if you're
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using your microphones properly in the proper environments the only reason why
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people need safety channels is you're not using your equipment right um that's
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mean and but it's just a factual statement because how do we make it this far
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right yes i mean legit how do we make it almost a hundred years of recording without needing it.
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And now everybody wants to have it. But the other part that messes people up
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and they don't realize is if you're doing it for video and you go to put your
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audio back to your video,
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you can get drift because your video application and all the ones that I mess
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with and that I think of mostly stop at 24 bit.
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And when you have a bit match difference, then there's a whole bunch of different
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level processing and things like that.
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So you're actually adding to your production workflow.
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So in a way, no, it doesn't do internal recording, but like you have a recorder,
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whatever you're talking into is recording.
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I can see where that would be cool, but then that's going to make the price a lot more.
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And then you probably not going to get that eight hours of battery life. So, yeah.
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Could you add a recorder and make it record for four to five hours?
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Yes, but you don't really need to. And the truth of the matter is it does have a 3.5 jack out.
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So if you insist, you could jack it into something else that does record.
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And there's like five or six little 32 bit recorders on the market.
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it um i just i've spent
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a lot of time playing with this stuff i like just don't even
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bother using it anymore i just don't it's just
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not necessary i get it like if
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you ruined it before like i have done this i think i've done this
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before but just it's the kind of thing you do once uh you know forget to set
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the gain and then the thing is just like mad loud yeah but it's normally never
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the soft part it's normally you peaked out is what people are looking for and
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what happens is so many people in content creating became one-man bands.
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So they learn everything about how to make cinematic.
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You know the most important thing of cinematic? The score, ask John B. Williams.
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Smart.
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Smart.
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Very smart.
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So there's the answer to that question. Let's just get it out of the way.
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Because everybody asks that question always. Yes.
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Yes. I really do love this thing. So what I want to do real quick is pair mine
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up so we could be on the same microphone. We'll see you next time.
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Uh, that'd be good.
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Yeah. Um, yeah, that's a, that was a good, that was a good, good question, by the way.
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Um, I'm not saying that was a bad question. That is just a common question and
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it is mostly misunderstood by people on the internet.
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I've only seen one of my contemporaries have a fairly intelligent conversation about it.
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And that's Curtis Judd because it's always Curtis Judd.
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That's just the point. He's the only person I've ever seen that sort of bring
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that up, but Like all the little kid camera, I shouldn't say that.
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It's just that I'm old and they're not.
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Oh, snap. They're always like, oh, they're 32-bit. I was like,
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yeah, whatever. Okay, so let me switch to my overhead real fast. Boom.
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Oh, look at that.
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I think I got it contained into the little spot. And then, look,
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I can even do one of these numbers and come in a little closer.
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Let me move the book out of the way. We don't need that.
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All right, so this is super dope. All you're going to do is I'm going to power
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the receiver first. Now, I currently have this thing, Bluetooth,
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connected to my phone, which is something we should talk about. Yes.
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If you are using the Motive video app.
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Or audio app.
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Or audio app. That's true. I always forget about that. You can connect it to
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your phone via Bluetooth, and it works pretty good.
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You would definitely get better audio if you use the receiver,
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but you're not, like, stuck using the receiver.
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Yeah. Exactly. So he's using the receiver right now, but you have multiple options.
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So you push and hold it till it flashes blue and red.
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So now you're gonna have to power it off because you didn't push it longer.
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I let go too quick.
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There we go. Now it turns off. But don't worry if you do that.
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So just push and hold it for like five to 10 seconds.
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When it powers up, it's going to light up and then give you flashing blue and
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red lights. And that's when you know it's in pairing mode.
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There you go. And then if you X out on your receiver, well, it's pairing, but you can X out of that.
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Come here there you go why are you showing those two i want to show this one
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Oh if you had your labs paired you're gonna have to kick one of those out to
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get your idiot plus in there,
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you think the disrespect pot he's got so much fun gear meanwhile louise is like
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where's my shore gear how do i get the shore hookup that's what he's asking me earlier all right.
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There you go.
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Sorry.
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What I did was I grabbed the wrong receiver because I had already done this.
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So there it is. You just go ahead and press the button and it's cool because
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in here, let me up this focus Daniel sign.
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go back did you connect yes it's connected okay reconnect there you go reconnection in progress
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So he had already paired it but normally if you do that it'd be like it would
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walk you through the pairing process.
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All right it says microphone reconnected yes
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all right cool so this is cool because you just press
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this little doohickey and you can rename it which
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i might do because when we get to nab
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myself and mary lou and a couple
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of the folks could have the same thing but you know
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you can do that if you want i'm not going to rename that right now i'm just
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back out um you have some other cool stuff you can do like which i really like
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going to your output settings and what i do is i have mine set wrong so i want
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to fix mine i would accept my usb and i want mix channel left and right. This is correct.
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Actually, no, let's separate it because I can't.
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Then it'll record.
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The hard part is I'm trying to see this with my old self and show you guys at the same time.
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It's really fun. It's really enjoyable. I should like play along at home while
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he's doing this. Let's see what's happening.
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You got your camera mixing levels that you can set. Let me back this out.
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I'm going to leave it on USB.
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Let me back that out. And then I want to go to boom boom boom um yeah i didn't
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what is the high power for i think i understand but that's high
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Power rf so if you want to make sure that you have the max amount of distance
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that you can transmit between the mic and the receiver you put on high power.
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Oh love it i probably not gonna use that because it won't sound delicious when you go that far so
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Go in there.
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Also you're gonna you're gonna kill the battery right yes
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Exactly it drains your battery.
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I like the fact that it has, there it is, polar pattern.
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I like the fact that you can mess with the labels. So I have it in stereo 60,
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but I'm going to put it in mono, not raw side.
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There you go.
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Cardioid, there you go. I'm going to use raw cardioid. The reason why I want
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to use this, LD, correct me if I'm wrong, is I want it not to pick up,
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if the Mac Studio decides to go,
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which it never does but just in case because it'll
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be behind the heart in this particular situation it'll be
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in a crack that sounds so weird nothing this is my desk so if homegirl is sitting
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here like it can hear me and a little bit of me if i start to move but it won't
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hear the back which is good because my phone is back there and if it goes they're
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less likely to hear that Yes.
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Okay, so let me thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk this baby on here.
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Make sure you hit enter on that cardioid pattern so it stores it.
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So it sticks.
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Yes, it's going to say saved.
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Saved. All right, so that's good. Now, you can do left and right swap.
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You can do gain lock. I'm not going to bother with that.
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And then you can do identify. So if you have more than one, I'm assuming you
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can connect two to receiver just like you connect two laugh mics, right?
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No, just one.
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Just one? Okay.
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At least, although, you know, it did look like I could do that earlier.
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Let's test that adventure because I can while you're doing that.
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Yeah, because you have two.
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I know we have two channels, but yeah, I'm sure it does that actually.
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I think I just said the wrong thing on office hours if that's the case,
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but let's let's find out.
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Dude, the fact that Bill said cute and then you was like, what?
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She's not cute. Well, she is, but that was funny.
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I'm going to plug the receiver in.
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And again, if you don't need it to be wireless, you can actually plug this guy
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directly into the computer.
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All right. So, Luis, he is going to make the switch.
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I'm actually going to add a switch.
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Is connected there it is mvr is connected wow oh this is cool i could just lean back and do my show
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oh wait he just started something dumb when i
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do this i can't hear it one second i can't hear laura
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anymore yep we
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lost laura's audio okay she gotta
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switch hers to mvr as well um let me
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set mine so i can hear this because when
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you put it okay so for the people watching at home when i
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stick it into the mvr my sound
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channel is going through but then it's not passing through through uh ecamm
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so if i do it this way now i can hear it pass through ecamm because basically
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i press the playthrough mark the problem with me doing that is it's going to
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come in slightly delayed.
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So what I'll do is put my headphone right in here.
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How about now, Luis?
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I'll put it in the MVR.
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Can you hear me now? Yes. Good to go. Okay. Yeah, I was when I tried to pair
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it and see if I could pair another one to it, it didn't like that.
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See, I can just sit back here and be like the kids with their small little mics.
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I feel very strange. I'm not going to lie.
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But it's still kind of fun.
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Yeah. So you can be wireless is the the main goal
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of this exercise so doc has
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loved the mv88 plus for a very long time as have i but it's always kind of like
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wouldn't it be cool if uh we could be wireless with this and so we are so why
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is that cool for you i'm gonna put this back over here for a second so that i'm not holding it once i.
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And one other thing to note is when you do this and you're using,
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like I'm using these in-ear monitors, these guys are very sensitive.
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So you're going to want to turn it down. You can go deaf.
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Yeah, but give yourself more gain in your receiver because you're quiet.
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Okay. All right. I'm going up, up, up, up, up.
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There we go.
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And then there we go. Bingo. So I've adjusted the gain to 18.
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which is what I adjusted it to yesterday when I was talking to Mary Lou,
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but then I adjusted it again and messed it around.
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But I like this because now I can just kick back and do my show.
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Please do it like that from now on. That is so great.
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Be like, hey, girl.
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Hey. I don't know. It's such a small mic, though. It doesn't really have the same impact.
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But all right. So let's talk about who this microphone is for,
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besides all of you who are watching.
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Why it's so great is because if you use it in monocardioid mode,
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like Doc and I are using it right now, and you adjust your gain right,
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you can have the same beautiful, warm sound that you're accustomed to using
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something like the MV7+.
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You still need more gain on yours. I'm determined.
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I can just eat the mic.
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There we go. Or you can use it out in the field.
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Oh, my God. Musical Tourette's guy over here.
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We share the same affliction. um so like
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when ecamm when the team is at nab and they take
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this out they can be capturing all the sounds of
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nab for a little b-roll action of what
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that looks like for people in stereo uh it's
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versatile is the main gist of the story and i love that i compare it directly
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to my phone because that makes life tremendously easier um it just gives me
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all these workflow options that I didn't really know I had before because I was using MoveMic,
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but I've loved the MV88 Plus for so long that now it's kind of just like,
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This is, uh, this is my new favorite thing. Um, speaking of pairing it to the phone.
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Alicia said I should name mine. My mic sounds nice, which is true. I might do that.
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One of the other things that, that is really, really good is,
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um, Jim said something that I think is true.
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I always thought holding the little box up to the face just seems weird.
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Now the other little box is smaller, so it's not as obnoxious, but the bigger box,
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it just does seem weird to me so that's why i rarely do it and in my video that
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made yesterday i was making fun of lou because what she does in order not to
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hold the box is like stick it to a spatula
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or or a comb or a brush or her cat or
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Her cat oh gosh poor cat.
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Oh yeah gizmo will be rocking the mic doing this doing her thing you know that's
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awesome she's a celebrity she knows she is so i I think this is really cool
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just because, again, the versatility of being able to take it out on the road.
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And when it's not in its little container. Sorry, people. Actually, I can mute this.
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Yeah. One, two, one, two. I'm kidding. Yeah.
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There you go. When you're holding it like this, it feels more normal.
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It does. It has weight to it.
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Yeah. It has a little bit of thing. I will probably wrap it in some sort of silicone.
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So that way it's a little, you know.
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So you don't drop it?
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Yeah, that too.
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Okay. All right.
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But yeah, this is really cool. Because then that way if you ding it or whatever,
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like in your bag, it's not.
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I mean, the covering on short mics is very durable. Again, they have so much
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experience at this, whereas everything else is plastic. This is metal.
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But if you want to, you know, you're like me and don't like scratches on anything,
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then yeah, you can wrap it.
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You could even put a little gaff tape on it. So that way you know which one is yours.
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And it won't. I mean, it just looks normal. That's what I like about it. It looks normal.
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Yes, it does.
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Yes, you can. John said, can you adjust the gain on your motive app on your phone?
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And if so, how much gain? Is there a difference compared to the Move receiver?
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Yeah. From my experience, the receiver is always better because Bluetooth is Bluetooth.
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And even though Shor made a custom Bluetooth, it's still Bluetooth.
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Yes. Like you can only put so much turbo charge in your Corolla. It's still a Corolla.
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Man. All right. Well, that was an interesting comparison. But yes,
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yeah, it's proprietary Bluetooth technology. So it's not the same as pairing
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up your AirPods or what have you, or your phone or, you know,
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or your wireless things.
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But yeah, the receiver lets you have a lot more flexibility and it can go on
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your camera. It can go into your computer like I have it doing right now and
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it can go into your existing workflows.
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So if you're not wanting to pair directly to the phone, then that's another option for you.
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This is really cool because it's just, you know, people always talk about like
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not having the mic in a shot and things of that nature.
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So that's why I think this is cool, because you can just put it there. It's only a tiny bubble.
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And I don't think that matters. You know me. I like to talk into an SM7B,
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but it is very, very good. The sound is incredible.
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Mary Lou said, I've been using my MV88 Plus as a hell, hell plugged in.
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It just makes it even more fun wireless. Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
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I like the size of it, too, as Gabe is saying. I think I said that right.
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Yeah, it's it's I don't know.
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I don't know how I'm going to explain this. It's going to sound crazy.
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This is going to sound crazy.
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When in tech device, especially has a fun form factor, you're more likely to
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use it. When a tech advice has an odd form factor, it doesn't matter how good it is.
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You're less likely to use it because most muggles, that's you guys,
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are afraid to break your tech.
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So if the thing you're holding seems like you can broke it or it doesn't pack
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well, you are less likely to use it.
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So what makes this so fun is it seems like a normal mic. If that makes any sense, it makes sense to me.
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Thank you, Mary Lou, for backing me up. That's my homie.
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So John wants to know, Laura, can the receiver connect to the computer via USB?
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Yes. I don't know, John. You tell me.
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And what about the iPhone? Yes, USB audio is USB audio.
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So in theory, if your car can accept USB audio, it'll work. Now,
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I've plugged it into my iPhone.
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xm5 my sony's too far back there i didn't feel like doing that but it works
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so anything that accepts usb audio is usb audio so i haven't tried this but in theory into
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The iphone i mean it's is it mfi certified yeah.
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Into the eye
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Oh into the eye how would you plug it into the eye this x this xlr never mind
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doc's getting crazy with the cheese whiz dang man hey.
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You know the coffee didn't kick yet no um so yeah anything that can accept usb audio it should work
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Okay i'm gonna try this let's see this yeah.
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You're gonna try to get two connected to the same
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R no no no no other device the app is very cool though so i was saying there's
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the mode of audio and mode of video apps that are free and you can fully control
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the devices that way but just to say when you're doing that,
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if you don't want to do that, you can also use it with the receiver in your own workflow.
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So you're not limited to our apps, but they're pretty awesome.
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So I'm just saying, you know, why, why do that to yourself when you could have
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a great experience all within our ecosystem?
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Ooh, don't do that. So this is the Motive app. It's on Motive video right now.
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And then when, when you have the short mic connected, it shows here and it gives
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you all the myriad sorts of control.
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What did John say? Thanks for trying. I can't believe I just watched a buddy
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of videos reading up in his mic. And now you're here to answer questions.
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John, you're just good.
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We're here for you.
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Do you have a wireless monitoring device to go with it?
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Headphones in your ears so you can be walking around in, In theory, Bowles Promo TV...
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And my brain read that weird because I live in Hawaii and our team is called
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the Rainbow Warriors, mostly warriors now.
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But everybody still says Bose from way back in the day when we were just rainbows
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and then they changed it.
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And so my brain wants to read that as Bose because, you know, University of Hawaii.
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Anyway, so technically that's sort of what I'm doing now because I have this
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headphone plugged into the R.
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so you could do it that way if you want to monitor using the receiver the mvr or dash r
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Yes so it has a headphone out on
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the receiver it has a headphone out on the back of the microphone so
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the idea of it having it on the back of the microphone is so that you check
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your levels before you start recording make sure you're not peaking or make
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sure you're not too soft and then go wireless because you don't want to be tethered
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to it with a wired headphone but that's why that three and a half millimeters
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on the back of the move mic 88 plus itself,
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so yes you can monitor directly from that or from the receiver bluetooth monitoring
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not so great because there's latency yes.
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Yes see everybody here's the thing about having a real wireless mic and i'm
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i think i mentioned this but again i have to rerecord my whole video because
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i recorded it in the wrong polar pattern.
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One of the things I mentioned in my, my video is everybody comes in and brags
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about the fact that they can connect to your phone, Bluetooth,
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all of the devices that are on the market.
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And this is a factual statement. There's nothing wrong with that statement.
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However, Bluetooth audio doesn't sound good going in.
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Bluetooth audio barely sounds good coming out, just listening to music on your
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headphones, which is why you can't do lossless in earbuds.
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You have to use a deck or something that you can plug in.
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So what Shure did was make a better Bluetooth.
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They built a better mousetrap and it's phenomenal. You just have to use it in your in the app.
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Same thing when you're using like my headphones that I travel with.
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my um ionics is use the
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play app because it does a better job of feeding the audio to your head because
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of sure it's custom custom i mean when you've been around for 99.92 years um
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you know things that other people don't know you just do so that's why paul is so smart oh
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You're so mean and funny it's true it's not.
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All is smarter than us he's been around at least 40 years longer than me no that's not true
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Oh, my goodness.
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All right. So we got the battery life is eight hours.
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Yes.
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We have the four different patterns.
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We have customizable DSP.
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I was going to say, we have not talked about the disc.
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Speak on that.
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Yeah, the DSP for this microphone, you have complete control in both the app and on the receiver.
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So when you, I'm looking at it right now to tell you in real time.
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So audio effects, for example, you have some presets you can go into.
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Right now I have mine in speech mode.
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This is singing mode, flat mode, acoustic mode, and band mode.
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So band mode is changing what my polar pattern is doing behind the scenes.
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So if you were listening in headphones, you probably heard that change.
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Noise reduction. That's my favorite one. So when you're out in the field and
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you have all kinds of noises around you, I just turned mine off.
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So you should be hearing a difference of what my room sounds like.
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Oh, that's pretty quiet. I turned off my space heater. I was freezing a minute ago.
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Okay, noise reduction on. So that just takes the background noise down a notch.
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So you can cut through high pass filter, there's a compressor you can add,
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there's five band EQ, and then the polar patterns.
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And it stores all of those settings to the microphone itself.
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So once you take it, unplug it, unpair it, use it in your different workflows,
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it still remembers those settings.
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That is one of the things that I like. I'm going to answer this question in the weirdest way.
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How do you have double audio now? What did you do? Oh, that's why.
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What is he doing? Oh my God. It's like a crazy experiment.
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All right. What about now?
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There you go. You're good.
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Yeah, I was messing with something. OK, so the question that came up was,
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can you use this in the boom? My configuration watch.
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Oh, wow. Doc's so fancy.
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This pole is nine feet. I'm going to use the old one, 88, as a stand-in.
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Yes. Oh, that kind of boom arm. Oh, they want a boom pole. Okay.
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Well, I don't know. If you say boom mic, this is a boom mic.
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I think they mean like this, Doc.
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That's not a boom mic.
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Well, it's a boom arm for our audience, I would think. i would think that's what who asked that.
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Why i tell the people that nomenclature is important because i i've been doing
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this since black and white tv i'm gonna answer the question with the right answer oh boom
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Pole you're right i'm wrong.
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See i'll
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Just see myself out okay.
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No don't see i this i people all the time like everybody that came in you notice
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my team says slack back nobody said echo no it ain't echo all right i try to
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teach people the right thing because if you go to support and you go, Hey, I have an echo.
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They're going to go down a different path because that's not what they're looking
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for. If you have slapback, that's a different thing. So I try to teach my folks
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to use proper nomenclature.
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So yes, this is really cool because of the attractions that it come with.
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Thank you, Daryl. Because of the connections that it has. And this is I was going to say monofiber.
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Come on, dude. This is a carbon fiber, nine foot pole.
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30:26
So in theory, oh this would be real cool to take out to the beach and wirelessly get some waves
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30:37
and the surf is going oh bro catch the next
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wave oh yes like you know like so that's a good idea you just gave me a really
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30:46
really good idea take this guy out to the field and like you know pick up some
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some b-roll sounds which one could use for something so yeah this is cool super
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cool And the pole has a quarter 20 on the back.
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Amazon has tons and tons and tons of lengthy poles that you can get.
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And because of the 30 meter range, you're going to be fine.
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You know what I mean? You're not going to have too many problems with that.
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So that's a really good question. Who said that?
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That was a good question. Get some stereo Foley. That is right, DJ Right On Beat.
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31:18
I've got, sorry, if you guys are wondering what the heck I'm looking at,
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31:21
I've got my buddy Mario doing our live stream about the MV88+, the Move Mic right now.
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And so I'm trying to be his moderator while being on this stream.
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That's what we do. And he can. We can multitask. Okay? But sorry.
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31:35
You guys don't have a paw yet?
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We don't have a Paul.
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For a good price.
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I mean, normally Mario and I are tag team in this, but I was like,
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I got to go beyond the flow. So you got this? Cool.
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And then, yeah, realized that I have YouTube credentials. Look at him.
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Hey, Mario. He looks fancy right now.
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31:53
He's very fancy. We wore our big girl and big boy clothes today. Yeah, we're very fancy.
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Very fancy. I get to see Mario at NAB. LD don't want to be our friend Paul and Mary Lou.
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I know. I know. I'm the worst.
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We was going to come and raid you so listen
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32:09
folks i'd like to you know just
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circle back and i'm curious john
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because you had a bunch of questions and one more which i'll get to in just
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a second because i like to know what type of people find this interesting see
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i know my point is i am forever on the road and this is perfect for me because
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it's so easy it's so packable And it could do myriad sorts of things.
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I can use it plugged in to handle Zoom meetings in the telly.
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I can connect it to my cameras and, you know, various things like that.
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32:44
I can connect it to my PTZ cameras because they do support USB audio.
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Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff I can do with this. So I'm curious,
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32:51
John, what do you see as your use case?
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32:54
Now, John's question is, if I connect it via Bluetooth for the phone,
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32:58
can only yes, yes. can only the motive audio video apps can only
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33:05
work all right so let me explain this to john your
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33:07
question is convoluted and i can't read it but i know what you mean because i
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33:10
know you um sorry john
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i love you the wait i can't you know why i have here's why i'm having a hard
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time reading it ld because when i hear john's voice in my head it stops to laugh
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every five seconds oh like the actual john so that's okay because It's always laughing.
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33:33
The reason why you're going to use the Motive app is this type of Bluetooth
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is Shure's custom Bluetooth.
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33:45
Right?
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33:46
And that's in order to make it have access to all of the beauty that is in the microphone.
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33:53
Like to get access to its custom DSPs, you need to use the Motive video app.
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33:59
now this this is hard for people to understand because that's not sure it's
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34:04
doing and i heard a whole bunch of misrepresentation the last time wireless
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mics came out that people's like oh they should just make it work with instagram
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34:11
well they did you just have to use this
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34:15
under bluetooth you can't do that because
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34:19
apple doesn't give you that access to put your own custom bluetooth and then
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34:24
connect it to other apps the only bluetooth that can connect to other apps is
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34:29
the native core audio bluetooth which is built in by apple but that's the same
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34:33
thing on android 2 probably i don't know don't start me lying i don't use those green robots
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34:39
is it different no don't you have one i
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34:43
Do but i actually i don't anymore so i have it for testing purposes only but
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34:48
i am an all iphone gal dual sims.
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Oh there you go dual sims that's life that You know how many SIMs I have in
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34:56
my phone? Actually, I think I have like six.
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34:59
You can have. You can have up to six, I think. Yeah. You're so fancy.
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35:02
Because I have AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon because when I do events, I need connection.
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35:07
And then when I travel to Japan, I can just flip on the Japan SIM,
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35:12
like whatever, and I use two different Japan SIMs. One for the plug and one for the load.
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So fancy.
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35:18
Yeah. So fancy. um follow up in the case i want to john said for my case is
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to use the mic for live stream as well from my phone with tiktok yes so then
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35:28
you need to use the uh the move r to connect and then you got
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35:33
you got full access to everything which is again it's just it's just glorious it is it
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35:38
Is it's really good the kit is 449 and the mic itself is 299 so in case anybody's
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35:45
wondering what the financial investment looks like, I would go for that $449
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35:49
just so you have the whole workflow covered.
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35:52
And you can add the MoveMic lavaliers down the road or what have you.
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35:56
So you have a really flexible workflow. Just saying.
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Yeah, you know, it's funny. You can feel it in the build quality.
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36:05
You can feel it in everything. And I don't know why.
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36:07
One of my favorite things about this and the previous version is the chef roll.
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I just feel like I'm going to pull out my...
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36:15
You love that.
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36:16
It's my toolkit. Let me get in there. When you watch movies and the guy's going
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36:21
to crack the safe, he pulls out a chef roll.
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36:22
If you go watch a sushi restaurant, he pulls out a chef roll.
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36:25
So having all your mic kit in the in the Chevrolet, it's just it's just kind of cool.
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36:31
It's super cool. It makes it easy to move around with and travel.
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36:35
And the thing that wireless brings to the table, that's, again,
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36:40
different from corded mics is people always come up with very interesting places
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36:45
to stick a wireless microphone.
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36:49
So I'm not advocating prank channels. I think they're kind of lame,
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36:54
but you can like stick this in a plant somewhere or stick it in the bush somewhere.
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You can do all sort of myriad things.
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That's an interesting suggestion.
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37:03
If you're into that kind of stuff, you can. Yeah, we were going to try that.
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So were you able to see if you can get two 88 pluses in the one receiver?
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I did and you cannot.
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37:13
You cannot. You can only do one one okay two
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37:16
Move mike lavaliers one mv88 plus move mike.
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37:20
And would that probably be because of the channels that it has because of the
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37:25
raw side right it had multiple channels in that case and so therefore it would
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37:29
eat all the channels that's
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37:31
My thought but i have not confirmed that with the inner.
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37:34
Geniuses at hql this.
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37:40
I'm going to say that even Mike, can you answer this question?
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37:44
Exactly.
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37:46
Look, look. All right. So this is a good question because I know you are far better at this than I.
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37:53
Have you tried it like coming from the soundboard or the sound puka on your
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37:59
guitar? Like, what does it sound like musically?
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Oh, I have tried it on my piano. I have not tried it on the guitar yet,
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38:06
but I've used the MV88 plus with my guitar a ton.
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38:09
I love it, especially on the piano in a bi-directional.
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38:13
So it's got the left, right. So I put it actually did three Tik TOCs that came
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38:21
before this mic was out and you can't see the mic obviously,
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38:24
but I put it on the piano in between myself and the piano.
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38:28
So it was able to capture my voice and the piano and it sounded great.
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38:32
But this on in stereo mode on acoustic guitar or on piano is it's unbelievable.
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38:39
Oh, my God. People listen. I don't know if you paid attention,
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38:42
but you need to follow Laura because she shows you how to do vocal warm ups.
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38:49
And I think they serve two purposes now, especially because Lou and I are forever
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38:54
talking about people getting on to do their stuff and learning to have fun with
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38:59
their conversations and learning to maintain a level of professionalism,
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39:04
but not take themselves super seriously.
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So if you do the vocal warmups, you already shook that serious cone out of your
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head because it's impossible.
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I can't every time I try I just start laughing and my cheeks get tight and I
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39:19
can't only trill if I'm relaxed I can just trill all day but once I start laughing
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39:24
I can't do it anymore it's just absolutely trash yes and so you showed the straw
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39:29
trick and I was like I should just do that to irritate my mom and sisters I
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39:34
Mean it's yes exactly because it's it's.
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Called
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39:41
Oh gosh I I can't even remember. The acronym is SOVT exercises.
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39:45
And you basically trick your throat into relaxing so that you can still phonate
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39:50
and use your voice without damaging it.
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39:54
So, you sing through a straw. Now, all I had was a boba straw.
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39:57
And one of the people commented, like, I wouldn't recommend using that.
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40:00
And she was right. But it was all I had in the car. And I was sitting there
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40:02
waiting for the train to come. And I was bored.
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40:04
And what do you do? What else do you do when you're sitting in your car bored? You make a TikTok.
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40:07
People so why do people always feel the need to correct something i
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40:13
Mean it wasn't like she was saying you're a hack but she was just like yeah
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40:18
i recommend a small and she's right because you want to you want to have just
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40:22
enough airflow so that you're not tightening and the boba is too much airflow
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40:26
but it got the point across.
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40:29
So i mean like you've been in the in the grocery store and seen somebody getting
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40:33
a cabbage you're like no i don't get that cabbage get this cabbage you ever
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40:36
just roll up on people to do that no so why do you do it on the internet no
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40:39
Oh you do not you.
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40:40
Were about to order a burger with blue cheese how dare you
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40:43
don't do that you should just get it with america because america
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40:47
like come on people just like i don't know
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40:50
maybe it's just the way you see it maybe yeah i've definitely had okay so you
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40:57
know me i can't help but try to try to help people with their japanese pronunciation
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41:02
and so in the nicest way possible somebody was doing a video and they I said
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41:05
something that was in Japanese that wasn't correct.
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And I said, oh, this is a really, really good video, by the way.
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Um, Kyoto is Kyoto, not Kyoto.
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41:19
It's Kyoto and the way you work this is, you know, you do the letters like such.
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and the person was like i'll say it however i want to say it and i was like
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41:26
okay never mind ecamp stream i did it once today just
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41:30
Come on people like.
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41:32
Oh come on she can sing it she's a singer yes that's
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41:38
All i can say in japanese.
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Luis wants to know oh you know what you should do because this is how i learned
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41:45
sorry louise i'm coming this is how i learned you do
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41:57
You can do that because you know the taste of honey version.
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42:02
The taste of what? Yes. Okay. You do. I don't know what that. I do?
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Yes, you do.
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Maybe I don't recognize Doc's.
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Oh, my God. You know it. You know the taste of honey version.
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Like Honey Nut Cheerios?
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42:17
No, the group Taste of Honey.
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Oh, I don't know what that is.
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42:21
You don't remember that? The song is sukiyaki on Taste the Honey.
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And if you hear it, you go, I know this song.
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Okay. Fun with strange songs.
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The words are easier enough to learn in Japanese that it will help you learn
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42:36
in Japanese. And it's a good song to sing because you can flip in the middle
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42:41
while you're doing the show.
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42:42
Another good song is Nat King Cole's L-O-V-E Love, right? You know that song?
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42:50
Yep.
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42:51
Right? So you can do, oh, that's not right.
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So anyway, there's a Japanese version sung by Nat King Cole.
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43:06
And then you can learn both and then your Japanese would be just good. Yes, it is.
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43:14
Yes, there you go. So those two songs are easy to learn in Japanese and you
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43:18
know the English words or you can learn the English words.
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43:20
and then it'll make sense and you'll be like oh check me out so yeah yeah i
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43:24
said i was old anyway louise wants to know uh this is funny because i'm sorry
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43:32
louise does it have two capsules for stereo recording it does
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43:39
Yes.
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43:39
One here, one here. And yes, you see.
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43:44
It says right here, Laura and rock, Laura, rock.
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43:53
No, I mean, in order to be a stereo mic, it has to have two capsules.
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43:59
Everybody else is cheating.
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That's no, that's fine. It's a totally valid question. Totally valid.
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44:07
Uh oh it says reminds me of boys to me in spanish album and all that that's good this is true it's
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44:13
Something i forgot um i think somebody asked uh what was the setup for the piano
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44:19
vocal the witch polar pattern did we use for that vocal piano setup and it's mono bi-directional,
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44:26
which is other also known as figure eight or figure of eight if you're british.
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44:33
Really they say figure of eight they do yes i listen to so much british tv i
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44:38
probably just heard it and just it was in context so you just absorb it right
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44:42
it's kind of funny how you how you hear that thing and what there's also in
::
44:46
the pirate ship there's pieces of eight so i guess that makes sense oh
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44:50
Yeah okay all right there you go.
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John you're just learning all the things today so i'm i'm curious to see john's
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44:59
tiktok and see what john does with it And to see if John is able not to laugh while they're doing it.
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45:10
The top, there's a wire going to the top, so there is a capsule at the top.
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45:18
Yeah, that's the cardioid.
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45:19
Yeah, so there's three capsules.
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45:21
You're correct, John. Yeah, or not dynamic. It's a condenser, but yeah.
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45:25
This might be hard to see, but I do have a very good camera over here. Focus, Daniel Seller.
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45:32
There you go. So you see that one in there, the little silver ring.
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45:37
And then on this side, you can see it better because there's the wire that shoots
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45:41
up to get to the one that's here at the top.
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45:45
You see? So, yeah, John, you are absolutely correct.
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Boom, boom, boom. And your prize is Ecamm socks. I'm joking.
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45:55
I'm joking. He's going to hold you to that.
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45:59
John Barty has so much Ecamm socks, it's not even funny already.
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46:05
Or not, he can borrow from George. George has all of the socks.
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All right, anything else we need to know cool about the 88 Plus before we, and this is just cool.
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I'm just saying, people. I mean, it really is.
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What else do they need to know? Hold on. Let me pull up my fancy one sheet about it.
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We talked about, obviously, wireless, customizable DSP, connects to cameras,
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Windows or Mac computers, and third-party mobile apps using the MoveMic receiver,
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selectable polar patterns, eight-hour battery life,
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instant pairing, and the two versions, the mic only or the mic with the receiver kit. Yeah.
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That's, oh, 100 feet range. Yes. I mean, I pushed it for the non-imperials.
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Yes. I've pushed it further than that, but, um, yeah.
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So it's, it's a tiny wonder and I love it.
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And I'm so glad it's here and that I could finally tell all of you about it.
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Cause I've, I was dying to tell all of you at creator camp, but I couldn't. So yeah.
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See, listen, all right. I want you guys to hear what she just said.
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She was dying to tell us at creator camp.
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And this is something I want you to sink in your head as you walk around the
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Internet and you look for these things.
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I'm gonna i can say this she can't that is
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the mark of a company that has been
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doing this for 99.92 years i can't wait till the middle of next month the 25th
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when i can say it's actually 100 years old um that was seven months ago there's
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no rushing a product to get it out because the other
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competitor is rushing to get it out they don't care but
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they don't care is they've been doing it so long you don't
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have to it's like how back in the day
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the lakers could lose all season and turn it on
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just before the playoffs and guarantee getting the playoffs and just
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get another championship like they were so good at it it was
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kind of crazy you'd be like oh they suck they're not going they're not going about december
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they're like and then come january you're like oh
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my god they're going back in again and then next thing you know kobe
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is snipping nets like they were very good at it so when
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you are at the top you don't have to chase the
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dragon if you will and you can
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tell that because of the thought that's put into the product and the build quality
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that's put into the product and how long it is now does that come with something
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yes it's definitely going to always be more because it's built to be more but
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i have short products that are older than me
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Nothing older than paul but i have short products that are older than me and
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my sm58 is from 1982 and it still works i don't know what kind of math that
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is my brain don't work that fast but it's old as dirt and it still works the
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only thing i've ever changed on it is the crowd.
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You like unscrew it, screw on the new one, keep going.
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We do sell those if anybody has a dented windscreen. But fun fact,
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the windscreen is meant to be used as a crumple zone for your SM58 so that it
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doesn't damage the capsule. That's why it has all those dents.
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That's crazy. That's crazy. So one last question. Any surprises for NAB?
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Yeah, I'm going to be there.
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Surprise! We are always working on new and innovative things. I like this line.
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I think we have to use that. Luis, write that down. so that we can use it.
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Hey, you're getting into my territory, Jim. Jim said, is there a dead cat or
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acoustic foam pieces and colors for this mic?
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Oh. There is a dead cat available for the MV88 Plus that fits the mic. That's good.
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Jim is here, so the windy, it's windy. The last couple of days have been crazy.
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That means that you're going to have to pack up the hubby and the kids and just come on out.
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I'm here for it.
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Some SPF 70 and then I can get you gigs.
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No doubt. I went to St. Thomas with my husband for, he had a work trip to St.
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Thomas. I was like, sure, you know, let's.
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Oh, that's why you were at the beach last week?
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Yeah.
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Oh, that was super funny. Oh, see, you could have competed then because I thought
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you were like at East Coast Beach and I was like, oh, you want to play beach? I'll show you beach.
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But if you're at St. Thomas, you would have been able to keep up.
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I would have, but I fried myself. I fried myself right here and right here. That, that.
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I did pretty well burn.
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Is the worst. It, it stings.
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Like it was not cute. It was not cute.
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I do it a lot. Cause I forget my head or I forget my speed. If,
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and it just burns the head and it's the worst.
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Yes. Yeah. You gotta be.
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Gang. You know what it is. Always. Sure. It comes through again.
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This is why we're always hanging out with sure. As a matter of fact,
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if you are going to be in the city of wind on the end of March.
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Yeah.
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First couple of days of April, we're going to be at Podcast Movement Evolutions.
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So you can come and see myself and Katie and Clint. Clint.
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That's a new one. They're separate.
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They're separate. It's Ken and Glenn and Caleb. And me. I said LD first.
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Oh, you did?
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You were first. Yes. It's your home office town. You get the props, man.
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Yeah, but I don't live there.
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We're just visitors. We're just visitors. So if you want to come to Podcast
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Movement Evo, you can come hang out with us.
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There'll be an Ecamm and Shore collaboration happening. And we're going to have
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a lot of fun and give you an opportunity to get your podcasting chops in.
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So if you're in the Chicago area or you like Italian beef sandwiches or what's that name? Portellos.
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Portellos. Or deep dish, which...
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Nope. I'm from New York. That is swearing. That is absolutely swear on my show.
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I didn't say they should eat it. I said, if you like it, then you should come there.
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Sorry, Chicago people. No, no, no, no, no.
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No, but if you missed out on Podfest and you missed out on those pods at Podfest,
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you can come to Podcast Evolutions.
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And I'm just saying there might be pods there. I'm just saying.
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Come and hang out. It's going to be really good. So that's going to be in the
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Chicago area. So if you're a Midwesterner, come through, Andy,
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just get some wind and let's know.
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Other than that, there's been another issue of the flow. And if you want to
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learn more or you just want to talk to us or you just want to subscribe,
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do all those cool things, go to flow.ecam.com.
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That's F-L-O-W dot ecam.com. And
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this particular episode was absolutely enjoyed with the hands of Shure.
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So we'd like to thank Shure for always coming through.
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And we have been flowing on Shure microphones almost since that one guy walked to Nazareth.
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So we love Shure products.
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And I think you will, too. It's just legendary. They just seem to work.
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And you can be Shure. Never mind. I won't do a ton. I promise.
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So go ahead and check out Shore.com for more.
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53:32
Of course, you can always just yell at the community and be like,
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Laura, I need to know something.
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53:37
Yes, always. And somehow we'll get it to her or we'll get it to Mario or Yuri
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and we'll get you an answer.
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So go ahead and check out Shore at Shore, S-H-U-R-E dot com.
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And you know what we say around these here parts? First of all,
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LD, thank you. Congratulations on song 43.
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Is there anything else you want them to know on how to find you?
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I saw i think louise put it in the chat yeah lauraclap.com c-l-a-p-p for lauraclap
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songs on tic-tac if you're wanting that.
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And then watch her tic-tac so you can learn how to
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phonate i can't freaking do it mary lou i hate you she's gonna do it as soon
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as we go live in like 15 minutes and she's gonna do it i can't do it oh god
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i used to do it all the time well you're all warmed
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Up you're fine.
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I can do i can't even do that now never mind anyway gang flow riders
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