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Episode 3019th June 2021 • Podcast Editors Mastermind • Bryan Entzminger, Carrie Caulfield Arick, Daniel Abendroth, Jennifer Longworth
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If you’re a podcast editor and have ever thought about hiring a subcontractor for your podcast editing business, this episode is for you.

Podcasting Editing is a booming industry and the demand for skilled editors has never been higher. But with that comes the challenge of finding, vetting, training and managing contractors to work on your projects.

After all, you don’t want to be the single point of failure in your business. You want to be able to take time off and to know that the work can still get done if you get sick.

We want to help make it easier by giving you some guidelines and tips from our experience on how to find, vet, train and manage subcontractors in order to grow your podcast editing business without having all the pressure fall on just one person (you).

Listen TODAY to Discover

  • Where to find contractors.
  • Vetting, training, and learning to trust your team members.
  • Ways to choose what work you give them.
  • Finances and different approaches to appropriate compensation.
  • How a doctor’s office operates differently from how many podcast editors approach their businesses.
  • Why you may (or may NOT) want to make a virtual assistant your first hire our outsourcing decision.
  • The challenge to overcoming perfection and a bias towards control.
  • Why you might want to consider short-term arrangements rather than an ongoing agreement.
  • Different approaches to distributing up the workload.
  • Things to consider when creating an application or a Request for Quote (RFQ) document.
  • Things to look for in team members beyond just skill.
  • What it will take to get Carrie to learn your favorite Digital Audio Workstation (DAW).
  • Contracts and payment methods.
  • Things to consider in order to protect yourself from subcontractors stealing your business.
  • The answer to “Who would you most like to sit next to on a ten-hour flight?”

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Daniel Abendroth:

So how much is that?

Bryan Entzminger:

Welcome to the podcast.

Bryan Entzminger:

Editors mastermind the show, the podcast about the business of podcasting for

Bryan Entzminger:

podcast editors, hosted by the crazy for some of us, at least for now.

Bryan Entzminger:

We'll talk more about that toward the end of the show, but before we get started,

Bryan Entzminger:

we'll just do quick introductions.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm Brian and Springer.

Bryan Entzminger:

You can find me@toptieraudio.com.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Carrie Caulfield.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Eric, you can find me at Yaya pod, Justin ducks.

Daniel Abendroth:

I'm Daniel Abendroth and you can find me at Ruff media audio.

Jennifer Longworth:

:

I'm Jennifer Longworth.

Jennifer Longworth:

:

You can find me at bourbon barrel, podcasting.com.

Bryan Entzminger:

Today.

Bryan Entzminger:

We've got something that we're going to talk about that I'm not a huge

Bryan Entzminger:

expert in, and I'm wanting to learn quite a bit about, but because we've

Bryan Entzminger:

got this mastermind, we have people with varying degrees of experience.

Bryan Entzminger:

With hiring people to help us with our podcast production.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so we're going to talk about hiring editors to work with people

Bryan Entzminger:

involved in post production, all of that kind of stuff.

Bryan Entzminger:

It's something that I've done a tiny bit of, but not a lot.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I'm looking to learn quite a bit before we maybe started talking

Bryan Entzminger:

about like the how's and the what's and the why's, I'm just kind of wondering

Bryan Entzminger:

for each of us what's our experience been in terms of working with somebody

Bryan Entzminger:

else, doing some of the editing for us.

Jennifer Longworth:

Started by being a subcontractor.

Jennifer Longworth:

Well, not started, but my experience with that was doing work for Matthew Passy

Jennifer Longworth:

and maybe somebody else and seeing the, oh, look, I don't have to be in charge of

Jennifer Longworth:

this show, but I can come in and edit it.

Jennifer Longworth:

So I have a little bit of experience on that end of it too.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then a few months ago, I guess in the last year, suddenly I'm like, I need help.

Jennifer Longworth:

And I brought on a couple of people locally.

Jennifer Longworth:

To help

Bryan Entzminger:

me.

Bryan Entzminger:

How's that worked out for you so far, you did some subcontracting

Bryan Entzminger:

for Matthew and now you've got a couple of people that worked for you.

Bryan Entzminger:

What was that process like?

Bryan Entzminger:

How did it go for you?

Bryan Entzminger:

Which part let's talk about bringing other people on to work for you.

Bryan Entzminger:

Let's let's talk about that.

Jennifer Longworth:

Okay.

Jennifer Longworth:

So as many folks know I'm in Lexington, Kentucky, and I've started the

Jennifer Longworth:

Lexington Podcaster's meetup group.

Jennifer Longworth:

And I went to that group specifically because I want to be centered in

Jennifer Longworth:

Kentucky, focused in Kentucky.

Jennifer Longworth:

My hub is in Kentucky, whatever you want to say.

Jennifer Longworth:

So I went to that group and threw it out there.

Jennifer Longworth:

Hi, I'm looking for editors.

Jennifer Longworth:

Who's interested.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then I got a couple of people who said they were interested.

Jennifer Longworth:

The one girl I had met at a meetup, so I was familiar with her and the other.

Jennifer Longworth:

Guy's like, I work for the college radio station and I'm looking to build

Jennifer Longworth:

my portfolio or whatever, and I brought them on and gave them the two shows.

Jennifer Longworth:

I hate working on the most.

Jennifer Longworth:

One was a little bit easier than the other, but I didn't go through

Jennifer Longworth:

like an application process or a vetting or anything real formal.

Jennifer Longworth:

And the one guy that relationship fizzled out because I wasn't on

Jennifer Longworth:

top of it, sending him files and then the deadline would come up.

Jennifer Longworth:

I'm like, oh, I didn't send them the files.

Jennifer Longworth:

I'll just do it myself.

Jennifer Longworth:

So that comes back to me being a poor manager.

Jennifer Longworth:

That's why he doesn't work for me anymore.

Jennifer Longworth:

But the second one.

Jennifer Longworth:

Um, she is still willing to work with me, but the host of the show she was working

Jennifer Longworth:

on has decided to take it in-house and get his buddy to do the editing or whatever.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then.

Jennifer Longworth:

There'll be back,

Daniel Abendroth:

right?

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

It's quite possible.

Bryan Entzminger:

Now you've seen that happen more than one.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then I've also outsourced show notes, which

Jennifer Longworth:

isn't specifically what we're talking about, but I had to do a 10 99 for my

Jennifer Longworth:

show notes writer, and I hadn't paid the contractors enough to have to do

Jennifer Longworth:

a 10 99, but that's something that I think of is when Texas all around.

Jennifer Longworth:

Doing

Bryan Entzminger:

that.

Bryan Entzminger:

And a 10 99 being the form that says I paid this person.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I have to report it to the tax authorities to say, I paid this person

Bryan Entzminger:

so they can get their money out of them.

Jennifer Longworth:

Yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

That's how it goes.

Bryan Entzminger:

How about you, Daniel?

Bryan Entzminger:

I know that you're the one that originally raised the question.

Bryan Entzminger:

What experience do you have in the area?

Daniel Abendroth:

I've never worked with another editor, but I have contracted

Daniel Abendroth:

out the show notes, transcripts, and then I have an assistant to keep me

Daniel Abendroth:

organized and do the management for me.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

So that's my experience.

Daniel Abendroth:

I haven't had to work with an editor.

Daniel Abendroth:

You

Bryan Entzminger:

mentioned the virtual assistant.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's something that I always kind of felt like if it's my business, I

Bryan Entzminger:

need to be the guy that's in charge.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause I'm a guy and I'm not sure that that's the case because when

Bryan Entzminger:

I go to a doctor's office, it's not the doctor that's in charge, right.

Bryan Entzminger:

The doctor walks in and somebody just tells him, go here, go here, go here.

Bryan Entzminger:

The doctor's not in charge of anything except maybe payroll

Bryan Entzminger:

at the end of the month.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I like that.

Bryan Entzminger:

You've got it set up

Daniel Abendroth:

that way.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like I'm good to editing.

Daniel Abendroth:

That's what I want to be doing.

Daniel Abendroth:

I can't do as much editing and money generating activities.

Daniel Abendroth:

If I'm spent doing, like organizing my files and chasing back from

Daniel Abendroth:

my client for their work, or like keeping things organized.

Daniel Abendroth:

And it has like, my business has grown now.

Daniel Abendroth:

I've got more clients to deal with.

Daniel Abendroth:

So like, it doesn't make sense for me to spend a couple hours a week sorting

Daniel Abendroth:

files, getting everything in order.

Daniel Abendroth:

Whereas I can just hire somebody to do all that for me.

Daniel Abendroth:

So whenever I come into work in the morning, I just look at my to-do list.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like here's my priority of episodes to work.

Daniel Abendroth:

It releases a ton of brain energy.

Daniel Abendroth:

I can't even think of a word, but it's just like now my brain doesn't

Daniel Abendroth:

have to focus on all this other stuff.

Daniel Abendroth:

I can focus on editing and growing the business and

Daniel Abendroth:

doing business related things.

Daniel Abendroth:

And

Bryan Entzminger:

then Carrie, I think, uh, you've got what, like 200

Bryan Entzminger:

contractors that work for you or something

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like that?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

No, not 200.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So hi.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Hired an editor, you know, after I've been, was doing this for about a year

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and I just needed somebody to kind of do the overflow and he's still with me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And even though I have my case load or my client load during the fellowship,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I did my darndest to keep him.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I also hired a year after that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I hired two more editors who are still with me and I really did.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And do everything in my power to like keep work coming to them so

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

they could just hang on with me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I think it's gone really well.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like there have been times where things have come up, I've needed

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

to focus on other stuff and having them take care of like the editing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I basically have them do a first pass usually, and they're taking

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

out all the ums, you know, all the filler and then I'm reviewing it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And that has worked really well in terms of client satisfaction, actually.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And my satisfaction, I did have a virtual assistant.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

She left to get married, which was very sad.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I have been the nerve.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I've been trying to replace her.

Daniel Abendroth:

That's a tall ass to replace a

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

good I'll ask.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It is absolutely.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You have to be able to trust that person.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Editors and they love, I love the editors I work with.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I really do not want them to leave me ever.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

No, you can't have them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But I think that virtual assistant role is like, Key because as Daniel

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

said, like it frees up so much Headspace, you don't have to worry

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

about, oh, did I reply to that email?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Did I follow up with this?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Did I send a reminder for this call or are all the files and all that

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

junk that takes up space in your head?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, I really don't like to do so, so I think what I'm going to end up doing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Now that the fellowship's over, I'm going back to a full client load is I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

am going to transition the one editor who isn't an audio engineer, because

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

again, the other two are audio engineers.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I'm going to transition her into a more like virtual assistant

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

role because she does have the podcast management experience.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

She can answer a podcast questions I've been looking

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

kind of looking around for VA's.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Started having this editor do quality reviews to make sure, cause

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I was starting to make mistakes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, and I had a conversation with her and we were talking and I'm

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

just sitting here thinking like, why have I not asked her to be my voice?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And that's one thing that I think is really kind of cool about working

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

with somebody for so long, as you do get to know them and they get to know

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

your business and you build this level of trust and it's really awesome.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like they can do other things, they can kind of grow with your business.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So that has been my experience.

Bryan Entzminger:

My experience for, with in terms of subcontracting, I

Bryan Entzminger:

think has been really kind of twofold.

Bryan Entzminger:

I do sub-contract for a production company.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I'm not subcontracting for an editor, although the lady can do editing, but I'm

Bryan Entzminger:

doing all of the editing for her company.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I have that.

Bryan Entzminger:

And then I've also for the past five or six months, I've

Bryan Entzminger:

worked with another editor.

Bryan Entzminger:

You guys all know who he is.

Bryan Entzminger:

Um, Michael Jerry, excellent editor.

Bryan Entzminger:

He's done some great work for me.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I've been able to start bringing him.

Bryan Entzminger:

A little bit, he does a good job, but I'm a control freak.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so that's been a bit of a challenge to overcome that.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause that's, it's a thing I'm just going to say it is,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

it totally is.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It's hard.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Let go.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah, but that was my biggest stumbling block.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

When I first hired somebody is letting go and then realizing how much I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

needed to invest in that relationship.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

As a manager.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

To get things done the way I like them done the way I know my clients

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like them done and that takes effort, but it it's paid off in spades.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I mean, yeah, it's a learning curve.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It

Bryan Entzminger:

is for silver.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I think, you know, the first couple of years.

Bryan Entzminger:

Michael did we went back and forth a couple of times, cause there's just,

Bryan Entzminger:

there's a process of learning each other.

Bryan Entzminger:

I mean, this is the same thing I tell my clients, right?

Bryan Entzminger:

This is my first edit for you.

Bryan Entzminger:

We talked about all this stuff I would like for you to listen

Bryan Entzminger:

through and make sure that this is what you were expecting to get.

Bryan Entzminger:

And if not, let me know because we need to handle this now.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I try to give that kind of experience to the people

Bryan Entzminger:

that work for me as well.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think at least from my perspective, it's worked well and I hope that

Bryan Entzminger:

it's worked well for Michael.

Bryan Entzminger:

And then I did recently bring on a book.

Bryan Entzminger:

To free myself up, but the VA thing is something that's definitely

Bryan Entzminger:

something I'm interested in looking at.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think one of the things that has kind of tripped me up in the past is when I think

Bryan Entzminger:

about bringing somebody on, I think about bringing somebody in long-term and Michael

Bryan Entzminger:

or Matthew rather was commenting how we just had this conversation a few days ago.

Bryan Entzminger:

And it's true.

Bryan Entzminger:

He and I were, I think last Saturday we were talking because he looks

Bryan Entzminger:

around and he goes, you know what.

Bryan Entzminger:

I could be somebody surge capacity.

Bryan Entzminger:

So if you want to go on vacation or if you get a bunch of stuff

Bryan Entzminger:

all at once, we talked about that.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I think that was one of the things that I thought about

Bryan Entzminger:

when we started talking about, Hey, we should do this episode.

Bryan Entzminger:

I was really only thinking if I'm going to bring somebody on, I'm

Bryan Entzminger:

going to bring them on for years.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

But this could be something where a couple of months out of the year, maybe there's

Bryan Entzminger:

some work and Matthew has his own gig.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

He's not trying to work for me.

Bryan Entzminger:

He's doing some work for me.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I thought that was a really valuable perspective.

Bryan Entzminger:

Have you guys ever tried something.

Bryan Entzminger:

I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

actually have, and I have like a list of people

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that I'll use for one-offs right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Editors.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I trust that I know can usually it's like kind of last minute that I know can turn

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

it around, that I know will do a decent job and that I know the rate's going to

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

be reasonable because you know, not every client is paying you like $500 episode,

Bryan Entzminger:

not any client.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So that's also something to be mindful of.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I have this list of people that I know that are in my business's budget

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that I can outsource to in a pinch.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And if one can't do it, then perhaps another one can then I think having

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

a list, having a context like that is really helpful because stuff happens.

Daniel Abendroth:

I hadn't thought about having that kind of surge

Daniel Abendroth:

editor because there are times where it's just like, I have.

Daniel Abendroth:

All of these episodes that need to be edited, but I also want to work

Daniel Abendroth:

on my YouTube video, or I also want to do this thing right now, but

Daniel Abendroth:

I can't because I have deadlines.

Daniel Abendroth:

So having somebody who can be like, Hey, I need to need, like these

Daniel Abendroth:

three episodes edited this week.

Daniel Abendroth:

Can you take care of it and not have to worry about like, keeping them

Daniel Abendroth:

kind, like what is dealing with keeping a constant flow of work to them?

Daniel Abendroth:

Just having somebody just like, Hey, this week I need this.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

I definitely liked that idea.

Bryan Entzminger:

And it's something that I'm thinking about for sure now, because.

Bryan Entzminger:

I don't mind reaching out to a client and saying, Hey, you know,

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm going on vacation in a month.

Bryan Entzminger:

So let's start getting ahead.

Bryan Entzminger:

I would much prefer to be able to say, I'm going on vacation for

Bryan Entzminger:

a month and this person is going to help you out while I'm gone.

Bryan Entzminger:

Now, if you'd like to, you can get me your stuff early and we'll get it processed.

Bryan Entzminger:

But if you don't, this is how we're going to work through that

Bryan Entzminger:

so that you can keep your stuff.

Bryan Entzminger:

And just be aware that this will be the person during that time.

Daniel Abendroth:

VA helps in that situation too.

Daniel Abendroth:

Cause that's how I'm gonna use my VA is like the client sends the audio.

Daniel Abendroth:

Then my VA will send like, Hey editor, here's the episode you need to edit.

Daniel Abendroth:

Hey, show notes, writer, here's your work.

Daniel Abendroth:

And so I don't even have to like do the management aspect of it.

Daniel Abendroth:

I have a VA to take care of that.

Daniel Abendroth:

And then having, just making sure, like following up, make

Daniel Abendroth:

sure everything's getting done.

Daniel Abendroth:

No I'll be doing that, but just all like the nitty gritty.

Daniel Abendroth:

I don't have to worry

Bryan Entzminger:

about one of the other, oh, go ahead, Carrie.

Bryan Entzminger:

Sorry.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm going to say that again.

Daniel Abendroth:

The problem is getting a system in place that can handle it.

Daniel Abendroth:

I've tried like five or six project management systems at this point.

Daniel Abendroth:

I think I may have found one, but now I'm starting to doubt it,

Bryan Entzminger:

but the sweet

Daniel Abendroth:

dash thing.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah, it's really good, but it's just might be too much.

Daniel Abendroth:

What happened to air table?

Daniel Abendroth:

Air table is.

Daniel Abendroth:

I don't want to have to pay monthly for every client and every contractor,

Daniel Abendroth:

it's a monthly charge per user.

Daniel Abendroth:

So that's quickly going to turn into hundreds of dollars a month and

Daniel Abendroth:

I'd rather not have to spend that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So speaking of hiring people, I actually found somebody

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

on Fiverr to set up my sweet dash.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So, I don't know how it's going to turn out.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like he just sent me a video of everything that he did.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I told him what I wanted.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I showed them what system I was already using with notion.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And it was like, I want it to function like that, but I also want

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

it to do these extra automations.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And so fingers crossed.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But when I go look and see what he does.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That it's set up and if not, I'll I kind of get it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It's just that I didn't want to spend all the time.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So that's

Bryan Entzminger:

another thing.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Well, I mean it's important.

Bryan Entzminger:

I mean, time matters.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then another thing I did was hire somebody

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

just to help me with Instagram growth and in full disclosure, I just went

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

to Fiverr to find somebody and.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

This dude, he actually is really good.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

He wasn't very expensive.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And in just seven days, he like, who might Instagram followers

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

by like a hundred something.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Wow.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Oh, wow.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then he was like, though, he's like, you got to post, you got to post.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So he was like, keeping me accountable for my roles, which I was really

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

impressed with, you know, sometimes it's trial and error, but for me, Those

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

types of jobs that you don't necessarily want to do or don't have time for, or

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

just don't have the like feed dash.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It was the emotional bandwidth.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It just didn't have it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I just couldn't make the flow chart that I needed to make to set it all up.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cause they feel like it needs a flip chart.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So finding help, there is really a valuable thing.

Daniel Abendroth:

I used to edit a business related podcast and the

Daniel Abendroth:

guy had a guest on to talk about.

Daniel Abendroth:

So the guy ran like a VA company that was specific towards this industry.

Daniel Abendroth:

And the one thing they said was like, there are two reasons to hire a VA one to

Daniel Abendroth:

do the things that you're not proficient in, and that they can do better or two

Daniel Abendroth:

to do the things they are proficient.

Daniel Abendroth:

That you just don't have time or bandwidth for just don't do them.

Bryan Entzminger:

What about the things you just hate?

Bryan Entzminger:

Like books don't do don't even bother with accounting.

Bryan Entzminger:

Just don't

Daniel Abendroth:

yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

Yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

I

Daniel Abendroth:

did that last night.

Daniel Abendroth:

The thing is that, Hey, are you, there are things you typically

Daniel Abendroth:

are doing now and a proficient.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

That you can, don't have the bandwidth for like bookkeeping

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and you can go back and listen to our profit first

Bryan Entzminger:

episode.

Bryan Entzminger:

Oh man.

Bryan Entzminger:

I was listening to that again the other day and just such a good reminder.

Bryan Entzminger:

I bought the book.

Bryan Entzminger:

I didn't just listen to three interviews.

Bryan Entzminger:

I went ahead and bought the book.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm going through it.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm being a grown up today.

Bryan Entzminger:

That was, I didn't catch that one.

Bryan Entzminger:

It's episode 28.

Bryan Entzminger:

It was just published a couple of days ago.

Bryan Entzminger:

Very much worth the list.

Jennifer Longworth:

Yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

Yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

I wasn't actually on that one when I was here on the back end going, oh my gosh.

Jennifer Longworth:

I wish I was in this discussion, but I learned,

Bryan Entzminger:

and some of us might've been trying to invite you in, I don't know

Bryan Entzminger:

who that could have been Daniel and me

Jennifer Longworth:

:

maybe, but that's a weird,

Bryan Entzminger:

so we talked a little bit about maybe not

Bryan Entzminger:

having to bring somebody.

Bryan Entzminger:

All the time.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right?

Bryan Entzminger:

So do I want somebody who's week to week or month to month?

Bryan Entzminger:

Or do I want somebody who's here for a few days when I need them or a

Bryan Entzminger:

couple of months, whatever that is.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think one of the other things that we need to think about before

Bryan Entzminger:

we go out and start hiring somebody or even consider hiring somebody is

Bryan Entzminger:

how do we want to work with them?

Bryan Entzminger:

Because I've typically thought of bringing on somebody to do soup to nuts.

Bryan Entzminger:

So everything from audio repair to final mix.

Bryan Entzminger:

But the reality is I don't think it necessarily has to be that way.

Bryan Entzminger:

How do you guys work together?

Jennifer Longworth:

So with my girl, I will receive the files and I do

Jennifer Longworth:

the processing through RX seven.

Jennifer Longworth:

That's what I still have.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then I'll send her the process files, but because I don't trust the

Jennifer Longworth:

audio repair because the subcontractors, they haven't spent the money to get

Jennifer Longworth:

RX seven, Vance, their subcontractors.

Jennifer Longworth:

They're not making as much of it.

Jennifer Longworth:

The money to drop on this.

Jennifer Longworth:

So I go ahead and I process the pause before I send them out.

Jennifer Longworth:

And I've never heard the term soup to nuts before.

Bryan Entzminger:

Oh, sorry.

Bryan Entzminger:

Uh, appetizers to dessert.

Bryan Entzminger:

Does that work better?

Bryan Entzminger:

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger:

Gotcha.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I mentioned that I worked with Michael and the way we are we're

Bryan Entzminger:

currently working together is I do.

Bryan Entzminger:

The RX portion, he does the editing and then I do the final mix and master.

Bryan Entzminger:

And part of that was because I'm a control freak.

Bryan Entzminger:

And we talked about that.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

But part of that was also because the client that he's working on is

Bryan Entzminger:

not a terribly profitable client.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so for me to be able to pay him even close to what it's worth,

Bryan Entzminger:

I had to do a portion of the workload for that account to work.

Bryan Entzminger:

However, I'm at the point where I'm going, do I really want to go the, you do it all.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is your show.

Bryan Entzminger:

You work on this show route, or do I want to divide it up between repair,

Bryan Entzminger:

mixing, cutting and mixing editing, and then mastering and I, I don't know.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I will say that I always start a new

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

editor with just doing a first pass.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So they're just strictly going in, cutting out the filter.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cleaning it up and this is just the interview and then they send it back.

Bryan Entzminger:

So do they send you mixed down or do they

Bryan Entzminger:

send you back a session file?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, session file or separate tracks?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like I have one that was sending me, you know, in the beginning

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

with my first editor, I had him send back just to separate tracks.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Now I have him send back the session file.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

However, now they can do, you know, they all now have RX, you know, at least

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

standard, but I have like, I've have paid for them in the beginning to get elements.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I make sure that they have the software and yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Don't have the expectation that they have to purchase this.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cause they're doing it for my business.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I will at least give them elements and then they also get my course, so

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

they can go in and learn how to use it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then, you know, at that point they can then.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Do the pre-processing, they can do some mixing on it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

They can do the first, so whatever they want to do, they

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

send me back the session file.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I will tweak things.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I will just go over the content.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cause I do have some content editing, you know, do content editing for my clients.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I will tweak the mixing a little bit based on what I know the client likes,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

cause everybody has their own thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And, and maybe one of the things I should do is like let the editors know.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I, I may start to do more of that than I do the mastery.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then that goes to the, the review editor or the quality assurance

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

girl, I just have an official title.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So then she'll put her ears on it and she can actually.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Now since she's been with me for so long, if there's just like something simple

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that needs to be cut or needs to be smoothed out, she can actually take it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Hm, you file into audition and clean it up and then send it back to me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So that's kind of the system,

Jennifer Longworth:

somebody mentioned control a minute ago

Jennifer Longworth:

and you just are relinquishing so much control and it's just like,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Ooh therapy.

Jennifer Longworth:

Okay.

Bryan Entzminger:

Profit second type conversation.

Bryan Entzminger:

If I have to pay for therapy.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, no, it's just, I, the only way.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

These editors can do what I want them to do, and I can get my money's

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

worth out of them and get that peace of mind is to actually make that

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

investment in them and then trust them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I have been working with these editors for years now.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

One of them is like, started with me and like 2018, the other end, like 2019.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

A long relationship now.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And they have stayed with me through, you know, the feast and the famines.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I think that's because of that investment, but now some of them, like one

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

of them has gotten so good and like, I'm like working really hard to give him work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So he doesn't leave me.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Which is a good problem to have.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

Because then that keeps you always focused.

Bryan Entzminger:

Keeping the pipeline full, right?

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cause he is like, and I can always depend on him and that's wonderful.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like there's no price tag on that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I have given him raises like overtime too and Christmas bonuses and

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

whenever I can and you know, I just bought when, you know, the quality

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

assurance girl, because I want her to, you know, start taking more of a VA role.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I bought her a ticket to the amplifying her voice conference.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Because I want her to have that industry knowledge, because I want

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

somebody in a VA role that doesn't have to ask me, well, this person

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

asked this, what should I respond?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I want them to know that information because a good virtual

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

assistant is going to be able to.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

To have the same knowledge as I do about this, like podcasting one-on-one stuff.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So it's an investment.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It is an investment.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I mean,

Bryan Entzminger:

transparently, I think I'd rather work for you

Bryan Entzminger:

than for me, Carrie, just for your contractors than I am to me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

I'm not hiring yet.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's okay.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm pretty expensive.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I know

Jennifer Longworth:

that makes me wonder.

Jennifer Longworth:

How we pay them.

Jennifer Longworth:

I don't know if that was a question you had on your mind or not Brian,

Jennifer Longworth:

but how do you pay your contractors?

Jennifer Longworth:

I mean,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

what's the going rate?

Jennifer Longworth:

Well, what's the going rate?

Jennifer Longworth:

How do you decide?

Jennifer Longworth:

Because one of my guys was getting X amount and the other one was getting

Jennifer Longworth:

Y amount, but it was based on the show and how much profit margin it

Jennifer Longworth:

had because I had showed on someone.

Jennifer Longworth:

So I had two shows that if I did it myself, I'd be making the same amount of

Jennifer Longworth:

money, but one of them, I had show notes.

Jennifer Longworth:

And in subcontractor editor, another one, I just had a subcontractor editor,

Jennifer Longworth:

so they were making more, but I thought the other show was easier anyway.

Jennifer Longworth:

And so is it like, make sure you come home with profit or make sure they're getting

Jennifer Longworth:

a fair wage, which is questionable.

Bryan Entzminger:

I would argue that there's some tension between those.

Bryan Entzminger:

Not inappropriate to take home some money for having found the client and continuing

Bryan Entzminger:

to manage there's value in there.

Bryan Entzminger:

But depending on what that client is paying you for the work that's being done

Bryan Entzminger:

and what the in quotes going rate is for someone to do that, a professional to do

Bryan Entzminger:

that, there's going to be some tension there and you're probably going to.

Bryan Entzminger:

Work that out the way I do it is when they take on a show and this

Bryan Entzminger:

is, you know, one show, one editor.

Bryan Entzminger:

So just take that with a grain of salt, we agree on the price.

Bryan Entzminger:

And then when he finishes working on that episode, I ask him to invoice me that way.

Bryan Entzminger:

I've always got a record of the payment and it's clear that it's

Bryan Entzminger:

a business relationship, not a, not an employee, all that stuff.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I'm trying to handle all of that stuff and go like, this is

Bryan Entzminger:

the invoice from the company.

Bryan Entzminger:

I paid the invoice.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is how we're doing.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's how I do it.

Bryan Entzminger:

I don't know how everybody else does.

Bryan Entzminger:

So

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

all my contractors have different rates, so I am using

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

contractors, one in Philippines, one in Egypt and one in Chile.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So what I do when I hire, sorry, that's my dad.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

What I do when I hire contractors in different parts of the world, is I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

go and look up what the average wage.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I make sure I pay them a lot more.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And that's a little bit different depending on what the episode is

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

or what's in the episode budget.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So for instance, I have one show that's 90 minutes, it's a premium rate.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I pay more for that one.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I pay them essentially double for that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I have other shows that have higher, but, you know, so I try to pay.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

What's in that show's budget.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I don't know that this is the best system because it's a lot of like keeping track

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and it's a lot of them keeping track.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Sometimes I forget.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Sometimes they forget.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So, you know, that's still a work in progress.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You know, American editors or Western editors tend to pay the same price.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I, it doesn't matter if I do those.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

One-offs are usually with people in the Western world where it's just

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

the competitive rates initially.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But I think one thing I have found working with people in the Western world

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and first world countries is that like, I don't know that they quite understand

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

what the white label relationship is.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Because sometimes I get like, I've asked for quotes and sometimes I am

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like, girl, I don't even make that much.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I don't have that in my budget, which is fine.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But, uh, you know, when you're working for another company, it's good to

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

remember that you don't have the overhead.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You don't have to worry about the managing the client relationship.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You're not the one who gets yelled at, if you make a mistake, you're just

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like doing the editing, turning it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Back in and it's cool.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So that's the only problem I really run into is trying to manage the expectations.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Of the first world contractors in terms of doing the white labeling, not

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

everybody obviously, but I have had some like, wow, I should be working for,

Bryan Entzminger:

do your clients know that you're having

Bryan Entzminger:

somebody else do the editing?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Uh, yes and no, because you know,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I do let them know upfront.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I let them know in that consultation.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

However, they think they forget.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Because all they get is me sometimes when there's a mistake, they're like,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

oh, did you know somebody else do this?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And you know, uh, I have to be most of the time I have to be like,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

no, No, that mistake was all me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, because you know, most of the time they're doing a first pastor

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

doing that grunt work and I review everything and I master, you know, I do

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

the mastering process for everything.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I have put years on it, which is why I hired somebody

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

for quality review, because.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah, I'm not always

Bryan Entzminger:

perfect.

Bryan Entzminger:

Quality control is something that I've been considering,

Bryan Entzminger:

adding to my offering as well.

Bryan Entzminger:

I've been thinking about actually hiring a transcriptionist to review an

Bryan Entzminger:

automated transcription using descript so that I can say, Hey, I'll deliver

Bryan Entzminger:

you a transcript for this amount.

Bryan Entzminger:

But then that also becomes a quality control step where they say, Hey,

Bryan Entzminger:

I heard this or this sounded weird.

Bryan Entzminger:

And trying to leverage that relationship to maybe also catch potential issues

Daniel Abendroth:

and having a quality check.

Daniel Abendroth:

Been a huge help for

Bryan Entzminger:

me.

Bryan Entzminger:

So you have somebody that does that for you also?

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah, my assistant does.

Daniel Abendroth:

Oh

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Well that's again.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That's why I was like, well, that can be something that, um, my quality control

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

person can step into that VA role.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That's absolutely something that, that, cause anybody can listen to a podcast

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and be like, oh, that sounds bad.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Jennifer Longworth:

And never listen

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

again.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I just want to give a shout out to Helen.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I did some coaching with her and she's just crushing it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So she's going to, we can all go work for her.

Bryan Entzminger:

Awesome.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cool.

Bryan Entzminger:

I didn't realize she had four positions open, but that's great.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

So we talked a little bit about the scope of work and

Bryan Entzminger:

that kind of stuff, but I think what originally brought this whole topic

Bryan Entzminger:

up was Daniel asking the question?

Bryan Entzminger:

What should we ask if we want to interview an editor, Daniel, do you

Bryan Entzminger:

want to share a little bit about your.

Bryan Entzminger:

Your thought process and what was going on and what you were looking for.

Daniel Abendroth:

So I know like one non-negotiable for me is they

Daniel Abendroth:

have to use my da, I use Reaper.

Daniel Abendroth:

So I knew like I had to.

Daniel Abendroth:

Find people that were proficient and Reaper.

Daniel Abendroth:

Fortunately, I have a Facebook group full of podcasts, editors that use Reaper.

Daniel Abendroth:

So I had a source like put an application out to, but I didn't

Daniel Abendroth:

really know what to ask beyond.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like, Hey, what's your name, your email.

Daniel Abendroth:

And like how long they've been using Reaper?

Daniel Abendroth:

Like what are their tools they're using and like their turnaround time.

Daniel Abendroth:

So then I threw it to the mastermind guests.

Daniel Abendroth:

Ideas.

Daniel Abendroth:

And then one that Brian, that you mentioned that I really liked was the

Daniel Abendroth:

philosophy of editing, which like, for me, it's like, you know, a good editor.

Daniel Abendroth:

You never know that they were there and err, on the side of sounding natural

Daniel Abendroth:

as opposed to removing everything.

Daniel Abendroth:

Fluency.

Daniel Abendroth:

So I think that's like a really good vet to kind of see like where

Daniel Abendroth:

they're at and whether or not your like, philosophy is right.

Daniel Abendroth:

You

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

want to hear something funny?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Always that kind of goes along with this is I was interviewing for kind

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

of a big job, not too long ago.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And that's one of the questions.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That they asked.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I love

Daniel Abendroth:

it.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

The interesting thing about that question is it, I

Bryan Entzminger:

mean, it's easy to either lie or to be aspirational or to maybe not have

Bryan Entzminger:

an accurate picture of what you think.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

So if you've listened to this show and now you go, I'd like to work

Bryan Entzminger:

from Daniel, you would say, well, my philosophy is you shouldn't

Bryan Entzminger:

be able to tell that I was there.

Bryan Entzminger:

Then there's the question of, can you actually deliver the goods?

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

My philosophy on that is that it's perfectly appropriate to ask

Bryan Entzminger:

somebody to do a trial edit for you.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I'm not talking about like a 90 minute episode, although if you want to

Bryan Entzminger:

edit an episode of the podcast, editors mastermind, to prove that you've got

Bryan Entzminger:

the skills, believe me, if you can do this show, you've got some skills, but

Daniel Abendroth:

many have

Bryan Entzminger:

tried and I dunno.

Bryan Entzminger:

Two to five minutes is enough.

Bryan Entzminger:

What do you guys think?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah, actually

Jennifer Longworth:

depends

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

on the show.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Well, here is what I think it was Carrie green who said this or Darrell?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Darnell.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I can't remember which one, but they said they actually take

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

audio with very specific problems, little clips that they know.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That editors are going to have to deal with, and then they give

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

them those to do a test at it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And if they can't solve those problems and we're not talking about anything, like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

super complicated, we're talking about, you know, mouth clicks, a little bit

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

of background noise, leveling problems.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So if they can't do that, They're not the editors that you want to work with.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Which I thought was brilliant.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think I remember Darryl talking about something like that, where he said he

Bryan Entzminger:

also does that because he knows that they're going to have to send it back

Bryan Entzminger:

because no editor that has ever tried to edit whatever it is that he sends them

Bryan Entzminger:

has not returned at least one issue.

Bryan Entzminger:

So he's also looking to see how do they deal with.

Bryan Entzminger:

Having to go back and retouch something, which, you know, you can ask somebody

Bryan Entzminger:

like, how do you deal with stress or having to do something again?

Bryan Entzminger:

And if they really want the job, they'll say I'm great at it.

Bryan Entzminger:

But when push comes to shove, I don't know that any of us really

Bryan Entzminger:

like to do the second pass.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then how do they handle criticism?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Are they going to like, be angry at you?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So

Bryan Entzminger:

yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

What about the rest of you?

Bryan Entzminger:

Do you have any, like, I don't have a sample to send anybody other than

Bryan Entzminger:

an episode of the podcast editors mastermind, which is probably not a fan.

Bryan Entzminger:

Fair piece of work to send for what I normally do trial by

Daniel Abendroth:

fire, what four tracks,

Jennifer Longworth:

cross talking and all sorts of crazy stuff.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then Carrie's crazy voiceover.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

We should send him to the episode 28 to do and make them have

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

to like line everything up.

Jennifer Longworth:

I did not send a test run to.

Jennifer Longworth:

Not like a small sample, but I can see if I had the same few

Jennifer Longworth:

minutes to send to everybody.

Jennifer Longworth:

That'd be a good idea.

Jennifer Longworth:

I think the one girl ended up doing a better job on one show than I did.

Jennifer Longworth:

I was like, okay, well she can keep it.

Jennifer Longworth:

She's doing a better job

Daniel Abendroth:

than me.

Daniel Abendroth:

The questions was like, what's your approach to editing.

Daniel Abendroth:

And can you share your process?

Daniel Abendroth:

And I was reading one of them.

Daniel Abendroth:

It's like, oh, that's a really good idea, because like, I want to hire

Daniel Abendroth:

this person just so I can piggyback off what they're doing and learn from,

Bryan Entzminger:

you know, you should share with us what that was.

Daniel Abendroth:

I had to like, look at the responses and pick out which one it

Bryan Entzminger:

was.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

No later, not live.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's going to be our little secret.

Daniel Abendroth:

So what was it?

Daniel Abendroth:

Sorry, what was your question?

Bryan Entzminger:

Just, do you have a section that you send for sample edits?

Bryan Entzminger:

That's something that I think I need to do.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think it's worth.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah, I don't have

Daniel Abendroth:

one.

Daniel Abendroth:

I need to find one.

Daniel Abendroth:

And then it's like, do you want to send them something like our show, which

Daniel Abendroth:

is going to be a real challenge or something more in line, um, was like what

Daniel Abendroth:

you do, like sending them one of your clients, like a sample from your client.

Daniel Abendroth:

But then it's like, can you do that ethically or do you need to talk to

Daniel Abendroth:

your client first and being like, Hey, here's what I'm looking to do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I think you need to talk to your client first about that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I don't think that there's anything wrong with sending them our

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

show because first of all, it's like worst case scenario, right?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And if they can reasonably deal with four tracks, like, cause I have

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like tried to hire some editors who were like, well, I've never, I've

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

only worked with one track before.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like that's all I've ever done, which is a surprise because that's what some editing

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

programs are like a podcast VA programs.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

They only teach like that how to edit one track.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And so it literally is a new experience for them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

If I can throw them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And they can kind of figure out how to put everything together

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

and make everything sound decent.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Even if it needs revisions.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I just say that was successful if

Bryan Entzminger:

you send them like just the first five minutes of our show

Bryan Entzminger:

with whatever their lead is, so that they have to line stuff up, like that'll

Bryan Entzminger:

really show, can you follow instructor?

Bryan Entzminger:

Because I found a number of people when we had people reaching out to us

Bryan Entzminger:

who wanted to edit the show, they're like, oh yeah, I can totally do this.

Bryan Entzminger:

And you send it to them.

Bryan Entzminger:

Like the instructions literally say at this point in the intro, this is

Bryan Entzminger:

where the interview portion starts.

Bryan Entzminger:

As you fade out under it.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I get them back and it's faded out over 30 seconds and then 10

Bryan Entzminger:

seconds later, this stuff starts and I'm like, I mean, it was literally

Bryan Entzminger:

right there and all the video

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that goes

Bryan Entzminger:

with it.

Bryan Entzminger:

Well, I did, I mean, we've had some people reach out that I didn't necessarily

Bryan Entzminger:

think could actually pull it off.

Bryan Entzminger:

And so I want to give them the chance.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I also want to set them up for success because I realized that this is

Bryan Entzminger:

a challenging edit and I sent it to him.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm like, send him a video.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is where all of the things are.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is how you can line it up here, here and here.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is what you do.

Bryan Entzminger:

I've got some stamp notes for places where stuff.

Bryan Entzminger:

Don't cut out all the, all the breasts and we get something where

Bryan Entzminger:

all the words are smushed together.

Bryan Entzminger:

The breaths are all gone.

Bryan Entzminger:

It's been compressed until, and not compressed.

Bryan Entzminger:

Well, like you can compress the snot out of something and still

Bryan Entzminger:

have it sound good if you do it.

Bryan Entzminger:

Right.

Bryan Entzminger:

But it

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

was so the other thing that I really

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

like when I'm like hiring somebody is how enthusiastic are they?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So one person who was like, I never worked on anything, but more than

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

one track actually came back and said that to me and then said, but

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to watch this video on how to do it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I'll send it back to you.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cool.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I was like, that's awesome.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That's the kind of person like, if you're just honest about it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And following directions is a big thing, because if I tell you to

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

email, like if I put up an ad and I say email me and you try to DM me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You know, you aren't worried.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Do anything else, but email me, you don't put the right subject

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

line that I tell you to put it in.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You're just gone.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Cause you know, I'm going to get 500 emails.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right?

Daniel Abendroth:

Whenever I put the application in my group, I made sure

Daniel Abendroth:

like, do not DME fill out this form.

Daniel Abendroth:

Fortunately, nobody did.

Daniel Abendroth:

I was like, anybody DNS me?

Daniel Abendroth:

Like you're automatically one because unsolicited DMS

Daniel Abendroth:

are gross and don't do that.

Daniel Abendroth:

And I don't want to work with somebody like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I see him like six months later and

Daniel Abendroth:

two, like it didn't follow directions,

Daniel Abendroth:

so it's going to be awkward.

Daniel Abendroth:

And, uh, so if you can't follow

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

directions in the application portion,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Then like that's so important.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It's just followed the directions.

Daniel Abendroth:

I would say maybe I should have made my application process

Daniel Abendroth:

more complicated to test their direction.

Daniel Abendroth:

Following skills, click here

Bryan Entzminger:

for page two.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

I have done that before.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

Yeah,

Jennifer Longworth:

don't answer any of the questions on page one.

Jennifer Longworth:

Please proceed to page.

Jennifer Longworth:

Oh, snap.

Jennifer Longworth:

Are you only promoting this in the Reaper editing group or were you putting this out

Daniel Abendroth:

somewhere else too?

Daniel Abendroth:

So far I've only done the report.

Daniel Abendroth:

One, because it's my groups.

Daniel Abendroth:

I want to give them priority and like kind of first dibs.

Daniel Abendroth:

So Hey, if you're not in the Reaper group join and you get first access

Daniel Abendroth:

to whatever, as long as you use Reaper, as long as you use Reaper yet.

Daniel Abendroth:

And if you're not, if you're using reprinted on the group,

Daniel Abendroth:

what are you doing with your life?

Daniel Abendroth:

I don't understand.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah,

Bryan Entzminger:

seriously?

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

It's called Reaper for,

Daniel Abendroth:

yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

Or go to Reaper for podcasting.com/group.

Daniel Abendroth:

And then Michelle is going to post and just busters.

Daniel Abendroth:

Cause I'm not allowed in that group because I work with a lot

Daniel Abendroth:

of female podcasters and I want to have like a female perspective

Daniel Abendroth:

in the editing process as well.

Daniel Abendroth:

It's cool.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah, that's actually something I've thought about

Bryan Entzminger:

because it does seem like even in the Hindenburg group, there's a fair

Bryan Entzminger:

number of females, but it is still biased toward dudes a little bit.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I'm not sure how to overcome.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You have to reach out to women.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You happen to know somebody actually, you know, two

Bryan Entzminger:

people I do.

Bryan Entzminger:

And you've been very helpful in getting people in that group.

Bryan Entzminger:

I don't want to say that you haven't, but it's

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

still biased.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So if you.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

One to work with women, you have to like reach out to your women, friends

Bryan Entzminger:

and yes, Helen, the second time in two days, Reaper

Bryan Entzminger:

has been mentioned or recommended.

Bryan Entzminger:

Is it a sign?

Bryan Entzminger:

It is.

Bryan Entzminger:

It's a sign that you should totally go with Hinton.

Bryan Entzminger:

Not necessarily, no, but Reaper is a solid piece of software.

Bryan Entzminger:

Somebody interviewed me earlier this week asking if I didn't have

Bryan Entzminger:

Hindenburg, what would I use?

Bryan Entzminger:

And the answer is Reaper audition because I can buy Reaper one

Bryan Entzminger:

time and be done with it.

Bryan Entzminger:

I auditioned, I buy it.

Jennifer Longworth:

Ah,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I know.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I is like, either love it or you hate it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And at this point I just, I just.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I just don't feel like learning anything else.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

That's the thing is like, if you're proficient in a

Daniel Abendroth:

doll, there's really no need.

Daniel Abendroth:

I can't think of like a feature that anyone has that we're switching.

Bryan Entzminger:

No, unless you want to switch anyway, other

Daniel Abendroth:

than cheaper,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

but you know what?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I have a free pro tools account.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I have Reaper, I have audacity.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I have Hindenburg and I have audition on my computer.

Daniel Abendroth:

So the time cost of learning a new dog.

Daniel Abendroth:

Tremendous.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

but I will, if I have to, and if you pay

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

me enough, I will learn any doll.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, I don't know if you saw it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Ashley said, um, when it comes to the whole women thing, it's been that way

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

since, before podcasting was a thing.

Bryan Entzminger:

Definitely

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

agree and totally, absolutely.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Ashley.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So it's up to you guys to like, change that.

Bryan Entzminger:

Definitely.

Jennifer Longworth:

Mark Dale says, learn your doll over switching.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Be a proficient.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I think it's a little bit easier once you know, what your daughter

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

does and then switching, it's just a matter of finding all the buttons.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

Cause they're all essentially doing the same thing.

Daniel Abendroth:

It just reproduces it better.

Bryan Entzminger:

I think maybe one of the thing that we haven't talked about

Bryan Entzminger:

in terms of bringing on contractors is contracts with my clients.

Bryan Entzminger:

This is something I have in place, but truthfully, I don't actually

Bryan Entzminger:

have a contract in place with the editor that works with me.

Bryan Entzminger:

What do you guys do?

Bryan Entzminger:

How do you approach that?

Jennifer Longworth:

Subcontractor for other folks, I didn't sign a contract.

Jennifer Longworth:

And so when I brought on contractors, I didn't have them sign contracts on

Jennifer Longworth:

a, pay them through PayPal or Venmo.

Jennifer Longworth:

So it's probably not the best

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

shot.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I always make everybody sending nondisclosure because the worst thing

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

that I think could happen is that they.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Say anything about my clients that my clients don't want said.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I hadn't thought about that.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That my clients don't, everybody gets a nondisclosure.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I treat all my clients.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like I have a non-disclosure with them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That's like kind of standard for me.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I wasn't really doing contracts with my contractors.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

However, I do have, like, in my notion I have kind of a policy.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Hmm for them, like what to expect, how we work, how I work specifically.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I do let them know when I talked to them.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I do let them know that like, sometimes I'm bad at like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

communicating or responding.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Like if I'm just done with the internet for the day, I'm just done.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

If it's pressing, I will get back to them or I'll have, you

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

know, my husband take care of it.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I also have like sick days.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

If you are sick, if you are not able to do anything, please

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

let me know, like immediately.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I can make sure that the work is covered, that kind of thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And just, I also have a thing that says, you know, when you're out in the

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

wider world and you're representing their company, so like don't be

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

a jerk, you know, will Wheaton rule, you know, be nice to people.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That kind of

Daniel Abendroth:

thing.

Daniel Abendroth:

One thing I want to include in mine is a non-compete clause.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like you can't talk to my client.

Daniel Abendroth:

Don't steal my clients.

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah, exactly.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

My clients, you know, that's very smart and it's probably something I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

should have, but because I, you know, the work ebbs and flows and because I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

did the fellowship, I have encouraged my contractors to do work elsewhere.

Daniel Abendroth:

Oh, like, I don't want them, like, they

Daniel Abendroth:

can't work for other editors.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I just don't want him to steal my client

Daniel Abendroth:

exactly.

Daniel Abendroth:

Right, right.

Daniel Abendroth:

You can't go after my

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

clients, although I have given a client to a contractor.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

It's just like, you can have that one.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's easy enough to write in as a, without

Bryan Entzminger:

prior written permission.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I actually wrote a contract to subcontract for somebody else and the

Bryan Entzminger:

work hasn't come through, but the way that worked, because he isn't, it.

Bryan Entzminger:

I wrote the contract and said you can't contact or pursue for

Bryan Entzminger:

business purposes or something.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Any client that is known to work for this person for 12 months after the end of

Bryan Entzminger:

the relationship or something like that.

Bryan Entzminger:

That was actually a little bit tough to figure out how to write it out because

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm not a lawyer that seemed important.

Bryan Entzminger:

I don't

Daniel Abendroth:

want them talking to my clients, not so much.

Daniel Abendroth:

It's like, I don't want, I'm afraid that they're going to steal the client.

Daniel Abendroth:

Cause like one thing, like, I don't think that's going to happen because

Daniel Abendroth:

I have such a strong relationship with all my clients, but two, I don't

Daniel Abendroth:

want any confusion with my clients.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like they talk to them.

Daniel Abendroth:

My wife slash business partner or my assistant for certain things.

Daniel Abendroth:

And I don't want them to be in like, okay, well, it's an editing question.

Daniel Abendroth:

Talk to them by your show notes, talk to this part.

Daniel Abendroth:

Like, I want very few, like they contact any three of us and that's it.

Daniel Abendroth:

Right?

Daniel Abendroth:

Yeah.

Daniel Abendroth:

And they don't have to like, worry about who they need to

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

contact.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And I often cause sometimes I think about like the whole agency

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

model and then I feel like that's why they're our account managers.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But then you watch something like mad men and then the account

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

managers steal the clients.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

I mean, that's Jerry McGuire, same

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

There's always a risk.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I wasn't always a fan of contracts, Ashley.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Or Ashley Lehman, but I am so getting into them and I am building them into

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

my system and employee handbooks, because I feel like my contractor

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

thing is kind of an employee handbook.

Daniel Abendroth:

I like contracts.

Daniel Abendroth:

I don't like creating them.

Bryan Entzminger:

Fair enough.

Bryan Entzminger:

Fair enough.

Daniel Abendroth:

I want them in place, but I don't want to do the work.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

That's why I make like sections.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So I've been using quoters IO, even though I can do it and like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

a gazillion other things I've been using quoters IO, because that allows

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

me to like save contract sections.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

So it can have like all the like super legal jargon.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You know, by section like payment terms, scope of work, that kind of thing.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And then I can just save it, copy it, and tweak it as I kind of like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

am able to repurpose it, which has

Bryan Entzminger:

been really cool.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

W we need to probably go ahead and wrap this up.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause before we go, I wanted to give Jennifer a chance to share a

Bryan Entzminger:

little bit about what's going on.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause there are some changes coming to the pod.

Bryan Entzminger:

Editors masterminds.

Bryan Entzminger:

So, Jennifer, do you want to share?

Bryan Entzminger:

Well,

Jennifer Longworth:

that's really open.

Jennifer Longworth:

I could say whatever I want.

Bryan Entzminger:

Now you can, as long as it's good about me.

Bryan Entzminger:

Okay.

Jennifer Longworth:

Wow.

Jennifer Longworth:

Well, this is my last for now episode of the podcast.

Jennifer Longworth:

I run a mastermind show because.

Jennifer Longworth:

Uh, about six months ago, started working as a real estate

Jennifer Longworth:

receptionist at a real estate office.

Jennifer Longworth:

And now I've moved up to office manager and that takes a lot of my brain away.

Jennifer Longworth:

By the time I get home.

Jennifer Longworth:

Especially with my kid home.

Jennifer Longworth:

She wants me to feed her

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

so

Jennifer Longworth:

annoying.

Jennifer Longworth:

I know, I don't understand this.

Jennifer Longworth:

It's not like she's small, she's 18.

Jennifer Longworth:

She can feed herself, but she expects me to cook dinner for her and everything.

Jennifer Longworth:

And then after working all day and I'm still a podcast

Jennifer Longworth:

editor, I haven't subcontracted.

Jennifer Longworth:

And so my evenings I'm like cooking or.

Jennifer Longworth:

Editing or sleeping or, you know, not doing anything.

Jennifer Longworth:

That something had to give.

Jennifer Longworth:

And so I'm stepping down

Bryan Entzminger:

for now.

Bryan Entzminger:

So for those of you that are watching, I'd just like to encourage you to

Bryan Entzminger:

stop by Jennifer's Facebook profile and show her a little bit of love.

Bryan Entzminger:

Let her know that you'll miss her because we suspect that she'll be

Bryan Entzminger:

back when she realizes she can't live without us, but it might take some

Bryan Entzminger:

time because we are an acquired taste.

Bryan Entzminger:

Uh, do we have time for, to pod decks question of the day?

Bryan Entzminger:

Always.

Bryan Entzminger:

All right.

Bryan Entzminger:

So today's pod Dex question of the day is who would you like to sit to next?

Bryan Entzminger:

Can't even read

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

matter requirement for this job.

Bryan Entzminger:

I'm a podcast editor, not a podcast.

Bryan Entzminger:

Narrator.

Bryan Entzminger:

Who would you most like to sit next to on a 10 hour flight?

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Um, nobody because I hate to fly

Bryan Entzminger:

or Daniel, maybe in your case, who would you like to sit next to on

Bryan Entzminger:

a bridge, going to Memphis for 10 hours?

Bryan Entzminger:

Isn't there a bridge breaking or something near Memphis.

Daniel Abendroth:

They had to shut down the main bridge

Daniel Abendroth:

coming into Memphis because they found a structural crack that's

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

so Delaware, I mean,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

we do that stuff on purpose here.

Daniel Abendroth:

Can I say my wife?

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah, you definitely can.

Bryan Entzminger:

Out of anybody,

Daniel Abendroth:

I would have to say.

Daniel Abendroth:

Is that a, is that a cheater answer?

Daniel Abendroth:

I mean,

Bryan Entzminger:

no,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I have sat next to my husband for like a 12 hour drive

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

does that, and we had a great time.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I

Jennifer Longworth:

bet you did.

Jennifer Longworth:

I was on a train

Bryan Entzminger:

ride.

Bryan Entzminger:

How about you, Jennifer?

Bryan Entzminger:

Who would you like to sit next to for a 10 hour flight?

Bryan Entzminger:

Oh,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

wow.

Jennifer Longworth:

I'm going to sleep.

Jennifer Longworth:

So it doesn't matter

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

a pharmacist with a lot of Xanax on main.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Yeah, no hesitation there.

Jennifer Longworth:

I don't know, maybe one of my pals from the UK who I don't

Jennifer Longworth:

ever get to see, that's a good one.

Jennifer Longworth:

Caroline, who we've only hung out.

Jennifer Longworth:

Like we had a great day on the beach the one time, but I don't see.

Jennifer Longworth:

So

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

if we had like a podcast conference on a plane,

Bryan Entzminger:

who would we want to attend?

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Maybe that should be our next one.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause that'd be, that'd be fun.

Bryan Entzminger:

That'd be

Daniel Abendroth:

a lot of fun.

Daniel Abendroth:

I've got a handful of answers right now.

Bryan Entzminger:

So I felt like I had an answer until Daniel reminded

Bryan Entzminger:

me that I could also include people that I am actually likely to sit next

Bryan Entzminger:

to on a plane, which would be my wife.

Bryan Entzminger:

I was thinking people that are unlikely to sit next to.

Bryan Entzminger:

But definitely wouldn't mind sitting next to Catherine for

Bryan Entzminger:

10 hours or more on a plane.

Bryan Entzminger:

That's been fun in the past.

Bryan Entzminger:

If I had to choose somebody that I didn't get to sit next to.

Bryan Entzminger:

And haven't really met.

Bryan Entzminger:

I would probably say Darrell, Darnell.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause I'd like to pick his brain a bit about running an agent

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

you haven't met yet, but I feel like

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

you need to get them drunk first.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Well,

Bryan Entzminger:

the 10 hour flight, we can make that happen.

Bryan Entzminger:

I mean, I don't really drink so I could give him mine, I

Bryan Entzminger:

guess you haven't met Daryl.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cool.

Bryan Entzminger:

Like you guys I've been in the

Daniel Abendroth:

same room as

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

him.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

You've been on the same zoom call as him, for sure.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Which is

Bryan Entzminger:

almost the same.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

I definitely have pec 20, 20.

Bryan Entzminger:

I mean, yeah, mark.

Bryan Entzminger:

If we can have more than one person, definitely have that PC

Bryan Entzminger:

flight, we might even invite you if we let people from Atlanta come,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Hey, do we now with the jet, do we not even able to, I

Bryan Entzminger:

dunno.

Bryan Entzminger:

I dunno.

Daniel Abendroth:

Wow.

Daniel Abendroth:

I'll have to see it.

Daniel Abendroth:

Just freeze that

Bryan Entzminger:

weekend, but all right, well with that, we're

Bryan Entzminger:

probably going to need to wrap it up.

Bryan Entzminger:

Cause this is quickly taking her I'm.

Bryan Entzminger:

Brian is being a, you can find me@toptieraudio.com.

Bryan Entzminger:

You're muted.

Bryan Entzminger:

Carrie

Daniel Abendroth:

I'm, Daniel . You can find me@rothmedia.audio.

Daniel Abendroth:

And if you want a copy of the podcast editor application that

Daniel Abendroth:

I created, you can find that at podcast editors, mastermind.com.

Daniel Abendroth:

Editor application, and there'll be a link in the show notes,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Caulfield, Eric, Yaya podcasting, and I

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

did find the unmute button.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

And if you want to be a guest on our show, you can go to podcast editors,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

mastermind.com backslash, be a guest.

Bryan Entzminger:

And I'm

Jennifer Longworth:

like as me.

Jennifer Longworth:

Why are you talking?

Jennifer Longworth:

Yeah.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Well, no, you can't ever excellent.

Jennifer Longworth:

Okay.

Jennifer Longworth:

I'm Jennifer Longworth and you can find me at bourbon barrel, podcasting.com or

Jennifer Longworth:

across social media at K Y podcasting.

Jennifer Longworth:

K Y stands for Kentucky.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Give her love folks, gave her a lots and lots of love.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I mean this time of me

Bryan Entzminger:

pray for us because we got to figure out

Bryan Entzminger:

how to go on without Jennifer.

Bryan Entzminger:

So

Jennifer Longworth:

yeah, you're going to have to do like the three, like

Jennifer Longworth:

side-by-side thing on stream yard,

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

you know what we could do.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

Guest hosts,

Daniel Abendroth:

guest

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

hosts, guest host.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

I mean, nobody will be able to fill your shoes.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Right.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

But we can let people

Bryan Entzminger:

try.

Bryan Entzminger:

Yeah.

Bryan Entzminger:

So if people want to be a guest, Carrie has already given you the

Bryan Entzminger:

information for how to do that.

Bryan Entzminger:

And if you would like to demonstrate your mad skills as an editor,

Bryan Entzminger:

You can also reach out to us.

Bryan Entzminger:

We have an episode of the podcast editors mastermind that you could do for practice,

Bryan Entzminger:

or if you'd like to edit this one and try and turn it into something, even

Bryan Entzminger:

relating to a conversation, just let us know podcasts, editors, mastermind.com.

Bryan Entzminger:

Thanks everybody.

Bryan Entzminger:

Bye bye.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

:

Uh, turn down your game.

Daniel Abendroth:

Uh, so.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Mmm.

Carrie Caulfield Arick:

Mmm.