In this episode of the Creative Collaboration Show, Chuck Anderson and Kimberly Crowe discuss the importance of public speaking and podcasting for entrepreneurs. They explore how sharing your message on various platforms can significantly impact your business growth and client acquisition.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Meet Kimberly Crowe

01:47 The Power of Public Speaking

02:46 Understanding Buying Behavior

07:06 Overcoming Fears of Public Speaking

13:43 Taking Action: Next Steps for Entrepreneurs

19:33 Podapalooza: A Must Attend Event for Podcasting

28:29 Book Recommendation: Rejection Proof

LINKS:

Podapalooza: https://www.cmapn.com/podapalooza

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Chuck Anderson,

Affiliate Management Expert + Investor + Mentor

http://AffiliateManagementExpert.com/

Hello everybody and welcome back to the show.

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This is the Creative Collaboration Show with Chuck Anderson.

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And this is the show where we serve business owners and entrepreneurs who are on a big

mission to make a big impact in the world with their products, their courses, their

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services, whatever that gift is that they bring to the world.

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And the one unique thing about us is that we're big impact people.

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Yes, the money is great and it is great.

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but so is the impact when we can change people's lives for the better.

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That's what really drives us forward.

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And today's guest is definitely one of those people.

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She's a good friend of mine and she serves and makes a huge impact actually by helping

people get on stages and really share everything, share your message out there in a big,

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big way through speaking and a lot of other different ways.

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Today I have Kimberly Crowe with me today.

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Kimberly, welcome to the show.

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Super glad to be here.

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Thanks, Chuck.

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It's just a delight.

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I love how you show up in the world and what you bring on this podcast to so many, the

value that's out there.

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And I'm delighted to have been invited.

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this is awesome.

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I can't believe that it's taken us three years to get you scheduled.

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Right.

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And I think that just, you know, you know, when you get too busy people trying to link up

schedules and all of that, and finally the stars have aligned and here we are.

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So, Kimberly, I think a great place to start is tell everybody a little bit more about

you, the work that you're doing, and anything else you wanna say, and we'll use that as a

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launchpad for whatever we're gonna talk about today.

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love it, I love it.

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So for those of you I haven't met yet, I'm delighted to meet you through CHECK today.

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My name is Kimberly Crowe.

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I'm an international inspirational public speaker and perhaps like many of you, a serial

entrepreneur.

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I've had the privilege of being on over 5,000 stages including TEDx in Las Vegas.

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And I believe the very fastest, easiest, and most fun way to have people get to know you

and build their know, like, and trust is by getting on other people's stages and sharing

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your passion with their audiences.

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Right?

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And you know, so many of us, I hear all the time from people, it's like, you know, where

do I find more clients?

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How can I get more clients promote me?

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And we do a lot of work with affiliates.

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How do I get more affiliates promote me and all of that?

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And I'm like, get out there and get known.

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It makes it so much easier.

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And I wish I could go back 20 years and just shake myself and go, dude, it's not about

what you can do.

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Go out there and meet people and speaking and.

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being on stages and podcasts and all of the wonderful things that we have today, it's

never been an easier time.

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And what would be your initial recommendation or words of encouragement to people

listening in?

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Like, why speak?

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Why take advantage of all these various stages that we have today?

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Well, it's such a powerful mechanism for getting people to understand who you are and what

you're about.

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I think I'm a big fan of video, but audio on podcasts works as well.

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And then in-person stages are super fun.

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When you meet somebody in person, you are more comfortable purchasing from them.

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You're more comfortable trusting them.

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You're more comfortable being able to say, I know this person and I like their

personality.

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Many people probably have told you Chuck over the years people buy from people you know

they like they want to buy from a company or a person they like and the the opportunity to

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get out there and be seen is much more powerful than say a Facebook ad that's just like

six words on a page or something in fact Google did a really big study called the zero

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moment of truth and I'll go over this very briefly, but the zero moment of truth is

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is what's our buying behavior?

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What do we have to do before we'll actually pull that trigger and make a buying decision?

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And if you think of your own buying behavior, you'll probably recognize some of these

ideas.

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And their methodology came into a ratio of 7-4-11.

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So you can remember that as 7-4-11.

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Seven hours of research before somebody will make a buying decision on average,

statistically speaking.

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And then they need to find...

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the person or the company in four different locations.

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And we'll go into that in a little bit.

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And they have to have 11 on average, 11 different touches for them to make a buying

decision.

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So think of the last time you bought a car check.

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If you bought a car, you probably didn't just go to a dealer and buy one that was on the

lot that was available.

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You probably did some research first, right?

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And with the advent of the internet, we don't just buy out of a catalog anymore.

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We need to find out the reviews on it, what other people think about it.

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And so if you went to buy a car perhaps, you talked to some friends about it, maybe you

rode in a friend's car, maybe you saw one on the road.

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Those are different locations where you got connection with car, right?

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And then maybe you went to a dealership and you spent some time there, maybe you took a

test drive, that's building those hours of research.

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Maybe you talked about it with a friend or a business partner or your at home partner.

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and decided, you know, was the money worth it?

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Did some calculations in finance and you're thinking about it all those different times.

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Maybe you got something in the mail or if you went to a dealership, they're probably

following up with you five or six times to see if you really wanted that car, right?

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So those are all different touches and different experiences that you have before you

actually buy the car.

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And now some of the people in the audience might say, well, Kimberly, I was way faster

than that.

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I knew what I wanted and I bought one.

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And then some of you may say, took way longer than that.

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I took two years before I bought this car.

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I invested all kinds of time and did all kinds of research.

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Well, chances are that if you are the one who takes all kinds of research, you're probably

partnered or married to somebody who buys really quickly and vice versa, right?

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If you're the one who buys quickly, then you probably are married to or partnered with

somebody who takes a long time.

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So it's kind of the average and that's how I think about it.

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Now as an entrepreneur, if you're just going by business by referral, that is one touch,

maybe 30 seconds of research and one location.

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So that could happen.

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Statistically speaking, it's not likely, but referral business is great.

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But a lot of the coaches I know hide behind like, I get word of mouth or whatever.

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And they're not making, as you say, the impact that they could make.

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if they got out there and got seen by a wider audience, if they got out there and got

podcasts that people could listen to.

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I have podcasts that I've been on that are from seven and eight years ago.

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And seven and eight years ago, that content's still out there.

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So if people want to learn more about Kimberly Crowe, there's a ton of content out there

where they can get those seven hours of content, they can get me in four or five or a

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hundred different locations, and they can certainly get those 11 touches.

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So it ensures that I have the opportunity to get people closer to that buying decision.

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You know, that's something that I wish I had realized way, way earlier.

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And because like so many business owners, you know, wanting the customers to come to them

versus doing the work to, you know, to attract them in.

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And do we attract them and do we get word of mouth referrals?

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Of course we do.

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But

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You know, and one of the things with our work with JV partners and affiliates, we call it

referrals on purpose, right?

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So what if you could take referrals and dial it up and get those.

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And I'll tell you one thing that has really amplified the whole thing for us.

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And that is being on podcasts, hosting podcasts, going to networking events, countless

networking events, and speaking like any...

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opportunity we have to speak anywhere and get known for something.

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And so that has been huge for us.

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So thinking about that entrepreneur who's, well, know, I get it, you know, referrals,

like, what are you hearing from them?

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Like, what's holding them back?

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And what's stopping them from going out there and just letting everybody know what it is

that they do and what they stand for?

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Well, I think it could be a combination of things, but two of them really pop to the top.

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Number one is they don't want to sound salesy.

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They don't want to get up and do a speak to sell where they pitch and they sell people and

they talk people into, they want people to come to them, right?

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So that's the number one thing is they're nervous about sounding salesy.

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But if you're on a podcast, you're really just talking about your passion and then

people...

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from that podcast that are listening get to know you more and then may follow you and then

go down the buying journey.

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So I find that very, very successful to be able to do that.

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And I don't think having a conversation with somebody is really a sales job unless you

consider that everything that we do is kind of a sales job, right?

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If we're trying to get our children to take out the trash or husband to set the dinner

table, that would be, you know, that's a little bit of a sales job in and of itself.

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So you can either think of it either way.

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But just having a conversation with somebody doesn't have to feel salesy.

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The second one is that people think they're not ready yet.

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Now this one blows my mind because most of you have been speaking since two or three.

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So you are ready to be able to speak.

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And I know people say, well yeah, but I get so nervous on stage or I need to get prepared

or I have to have everything perfect.

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Well, here's a news flash.

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Nobody will be perfect ever.

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Even the ones that you see out there that are professional actors and actresses or

professional speakers, they're not perfect either because we're all human and we all make

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mistakes and we all are evolving.

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My favorite way to get really comfortable speaking is podcasts.

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Either by podcast guesting on other podcasts or pulling up your bootstraps and deciding

that you'll have a podcast of your own.

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and then inviting friends and guests to come onto your podcast and share with them and

just talk with them for a little while.

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The best way to get good at speaking is to publicly speak.

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That's the best way to do it, is to just do it.

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It's called aversion therapy or exposure therapy, right?

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That you just have to do it.

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And when you get off that first podcast and you're like, wow, I didn't die.

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Your brain is like, okay, this is safer than I thought it was, right?

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There is a fear out there where it is fear, it's a fear worse than death for a lot of

people is to publicly speak.

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But when you consider that it's just a conversation with your friend of yours, somebody as

nice as Chuck, and just talking with them, it can really alleviate that fear.

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And it doesn't feel, especially on a podcast, it doesn't feel like...

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there's this huge audience listening in because it's just a conversation between you two.

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However, when that podcast goes live, you've had a nice relaxed conversation with somebody

that other people can then listen to.

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And now it does get a wider reach and a bigger audience.

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I've built my list to 50,000 by speaking on other people's podcasts and my own stages and

other people's stages.

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Being able to do that.

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gives you lot of exposure and leverage and business growth.

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You know, and a great place to start is being a guest on a podcast.

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pretty sure I, I mean, I've been speaking on stages now for 20 years.

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And I remember my first one was.

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It's very nervous and all of the stuff, but you get over it.

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so each one gets easier and easier and easier.

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But today, we didn't have podcasts back then.

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But if we did, I would have done that first because being on a podcast, being a guest on a

podcast is a super easy thing to do.

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And most hosts are very nice.

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But I love, there's a quote that you said just a few minutes ago.

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And that is if you want to get good at public speaking, you should publicly speak.

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And so I'm thinking, you mean if you do the thing that you want to get good at, just go

and do it.

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you know, and for those, and you said earlier too, that business owners and coaches, they

want to get referrals.

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Just this last month, I've received about five referrals from either shows I've been on or

guests that I've had on.

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Right?

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So you want to amplify the referrals and the word of mouth that you're getting?

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Podcasts.

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Absolutely and once they come and they've pulled that trigger and they've made that buying

decision after maybe four seven four eleven or maybe more maybe a little less After

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they've done that and they're in your world and they've made a buying decision with you

now they become part of the Pareto principle which is the 80-20 rule and 80 % of your

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clients generate I'm sorry 20 % of your clients generate 80 % of your income.

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So the people who are already clients

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that have already spent money with you are more likely to buy again and refer you out and

tell other people about you.

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But you've got to get new people coming in the door.

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And the way that I love to do that is by getting on those stages and then nurturing those

people into sale after sale and referral after referral.

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love it.

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So we've been standing on our soapbox here today about getting out there and speaking and

getting the word out and getting known.

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So for those listening in, like, what do you see are the next steps?

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We've talked a little bit about the fears and what's holding them back and the

opportunities.

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And what do you see as some of the next steps for someone to take to really start getting

themselves out there and getting known for what they do?

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Yeah, I think one of the things that people make the mistake of is they don't get started.

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They don't start.

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And you can start anywhere.

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And people think, where should I start?

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What's the best podcast for me to get on?

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Any of them are the best podcast for you to get on in the beginning.

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my motto is, if somebody hands me a mic, I say yes.

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So it's probable that somewhere in your world, somebody is reaching out to you saying,

hey, know, I'd love to have you maybe speak to my audience or.

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my membership group or what I'd love for you to share this with some of my friends, things

like that, that could potentially be a stage and an opportunity to speak.

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But then beyond that, there are ways to get on stages and what you really wanna do is get

on the stage in front of the audience that's your ideal audience.

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Now, this is where people kind of really get a little bit of skew of what they really

wanna do.

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If you work in the world of, let's say mindset, right?

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mindset everybody could benefit from mindset so you think your audience is everybody and

When you serve everybody you serve nobody because you're not specific in being able to

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help a particular group But if you help fourth grade teachers Then not only will the

fourth grade teachers think that you're an expert and can really help them But also other

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teachers will lean in and be like she helps teachers, right?

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fourth grade teachers, but she could probably also help me.

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And then other people will sort of lean in or they might know a fourth grade teacher or

they might know a teacher who could benefit.

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So as soon as you narrow down who you serve, then other people will lean in and want that.

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Like, could you help me too?

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And of course you can always say yes, but I think going broad makes people think, she

probably doesn't understand my problem.

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So if you help in mindset, that's great.

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But do you help in mindset with somebody who's going through a divorce at the same time

they're losing maybe one of their parents and maybe they have a special needs child?

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They might say, you can't help me with my mindset.

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Mine's different.

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And while you could, if you specialized in any of those groups, that person would probably

reach out to you.

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So my first recommendation is find a niche that you specialize in and get really good at

that.

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serving those people, learning what they really, really need, and then find stages to be

able to help those people.

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If you don't know what your niche is, here's two ways that you can find out.

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Number one, who's already buying your stuff?

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Is it women?

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Is it men?

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Is it people over 40 or under 40?

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Is it people who have really had a recent loss or a trauma?

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what is it, like, let's get in and who is it that is already buying your stuff?

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because whatever you're doing is resonating with them.

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The second question to ask is, do I still want to work with those people?

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Sometimes people buy your stuff and you're like, you are not my favorite client.

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And if that happens, then you need to retarget your material so that you're bringing in

the right kinds of people for you.

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If I had to work with anybody for the rest of my life, I don't know about the rest of my

life because life changes.

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but I love serving entrepreneurs, coaches, speakers, authors who have a program but

they're not getting enough sales and they're nervous about sales.

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They don't want to do sales, but they know they have a program that's going to make a

difference in the world.

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Those are my people.

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So I always try to get on podcasts that serve those same kinds of people.

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And that's what you should look for when you're looking at a podcast.

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Once you find one, all you have to do is ask.

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You just have to reach out and talk to them.

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Don't pitch.

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Don't send a thing that says, my great stuff would be really amazing for your audience.

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don't do that.

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We'd throw those away.

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But just reach out to us and have a conversation.

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And oftentimes, you will be surprised at how many people would say, I would love to have

you as a guest on my show.

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You know, as a host of three podcasts, I'll chime in there and say, just be a real person.

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All right?

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Like when I get the CEO of blah, blah, blah, who, you know, just invented a new program

and they're like, and some agency is pitching me on them being the show, I hit delete

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instantly.

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it's true.

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We have to like you to put you on our shows.

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Right, exactly.

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The majority of the people who are on my show, I've met through networking events.

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I've met at our speakers playhouse, which you have and...

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By the way, if you don't know what Speaker's Playhouse is, you need to be there.

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We'll put all the information behind the in the show notes here.

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But different networking events like people that we've met in breakout rooms and it's

like, yeah, I like you or we serve the same audience.

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Let's get on a show.

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I look at it as a way to get to know someone better, to see if I want to do more with

them.

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Right.

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Yes, there's hidden agenda sometimes in those podcasts.

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Sometimes we interview people that we're like, this might be a really good partner for us.

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This might be a really good person that I want to do business with.

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And then we do an interview.

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then sort of, I really like this person.

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I think they're funny.

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I think they're fun.

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I like their background.

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And then figure out afterwards, like, I really enjoy this.

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How can we work together?

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What's next?

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what's next that we can play together.

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And my motto is if it's not fun, it's not worth doing.

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So I'm always looking for fun people that I want to play with.

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And I think those are the folks that I tend to have on my shows.

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That motto has certainly inspired me because sometimes work is work.

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But let's face it.

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But you know, we're having fun right now.

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And definitely I those words do ring in my mind more often than not.

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It's like, yeah, how could I make this fun?

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I love that.

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And speaking of fun and getting on stages, you've created an opportunity for people to

make it super easy to get some podcasts to be interviewed on and just

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Damn fun.

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Absolutely.

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So you want to tell everybody about that and yeah, let's give them the opportunity to do

that.

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So if you're listening and you think, gosh, I'd really like to get on a podcast or two or

three or four or five, we would love to invite you to come check out Potapalooza.

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Potapalooza is an event for people who are wanting to get on podcasts and people who have

podcasts.

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And it is an all-day, totally awesome electrified event.

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It's virtual.

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And so you can join from any place that has an internet connection.

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During the day on the main stage we bring in speakers who talk about how to get referrals

from speaking on podcasts how to be able to grow your business and grow your list how to

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be able to make a proper call to action how to develop a funnel so that people move along

their buying journey and how to make money from podcast guesting and Make money from

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podcast hosting to make it the best possible experience for you

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So that all happens on the main stage and we have a variety of really powerful speakers

that come on and then you do workshopping.

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It is not a summit, it actually is an implementation event where you're taking action

during the event and workshopping and meeting other people and networking and you get to

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meet our featured podcasters during the event.

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Our featured podcasters, we usually have 25 to 30 of them that we're highlighting each

time we do it.

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Our next one as of the podcast or when we're recording today is June 18th, 2025.

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But there might be, if you go to podapalooza.com, you can find what our latest one is, or

Chuck will put a link in the chat so that you can go to his affiliate link for that.

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And he will know where you all came from.

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And that would be a benefit to all of us.

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The VIPs during the event.

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Get to watch what happens on the main stage, but they actually get a special privilege a

couple of them One of them is that they can be on up to five podcasts during the event not

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just meet the podcasters But actually record content in private breakout rooms with up to

five podcasters during the event So one day up to five podcasts could get knocked out on

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different people's podcasts

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all of them with different amounts of downloads and different exposure.

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You can be on those podcasts and you can get exposed to up to 10 or 15,000 people in the

coming months after Potapalooza just based on their downloads and their listenership.

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It's an amazing, amazing event.

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think I've been there, what, four or five times.

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And the last time I was there as a podcaster, I think I interviewed nine or 10 people.

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It was a marathon.

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But imagine getting all of that done in one day.

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As a podcaster, if you need guests, definitely look at becoming a featured podcaster on

Podapalooza because you can get it all done in one day.

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And then as a guest, getting exposure to podcasters who are right there and

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you can get interviewed on the spot.

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Amazing.

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So all of the links for PadaPalooza, and you wanna get more information, go watch the

video.

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You might see me in the video.

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I am in there.

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So go watch the video on the website.

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And by the way, click the link below beneath this video or in the podcast show notes, get

your ticket to the next PadaPalooza.

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When you do that,

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email me and I'm going to send you a free copy of my podcasting for partners masterclass

where we teach how we monetize podcasts both as a guest and as a host.

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So not only can you get yourself on some shows, but you can start making some money from

being on shows or hosting shows as well.

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So, so there you go.

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Free gift for you for doing that.

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And

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valuable.

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I know a lot of people don't have all of the strategies that you are going to give.

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That's a huge gift because a lot of people won't make the most of their podcast

experience.

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We encourage people to get on and get started, but as you start doing them more, you

really want to learn some of these stronger techniques to be able to convert listeners

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into your list and then into buyers as well.

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So please take advantage of that opportunity with Chuck.

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let him know that you got your ticket and get that free gift as well.

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Thank you for doing that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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you know, it's the I got the idea from Potter Palooza one.

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And I had no idea what it was.

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And I remember Michelle, your co-host.

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And so and so Michelle emailed me going, I'm doing this thing with Kimberly Crowe.

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And I'm like, I don't know Kimberly Crowe.

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And and yeah, it's called Potter Palooza.

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You should be there.

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I'm like, OK, I was there.

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Had my camera off.

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I'm kind of just checking it out.

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I'm like.

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my God.

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And I had to go and like do my hair, get my camera back on.

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So I'm like, this thing is amazing.

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And have been at almost every Potapalooza since.

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Just that's the reality of being a busy business owner.

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But I've spoken at it.

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I've podcast at it.

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I've, I've so many things.

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It's an amazing event.

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And, but, but my story there was on Potapalooza 1, I went.

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And I'm like, well, I already use a podcast to get affiliates and partners and monetize.

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And I registered podcastingforpartners.com right there.

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And then during podapalooza one.

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And so it just fits so well.

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It was what inspired me while I was there.

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So, and that's been a whole thing.

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That's why I have three shows.

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It's our number one recruiting tool for affiliates.

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and joint venture partners.

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And so that's a whole other subject, but at the very least, you need to be a guest on a

podcast and then get into hosting a podcast.

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You're going to meet so many amazing people.

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So if you follow Check It All, you know that affiliate relationships and having partners

be able to share who you are and what you're up to in the world is very powerful.

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Getting on their podcast is one way of creating a partnership because you and they are

creating content together and then you'll promote it and they'll promote it as well.

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So that's already one level of promotion.

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But if you decide that you want to start a podcast and have other partners, potential

partners on it, then you have the opportunity.

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to come bearing gifts when you enter a relationship.

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Because you can say to somebody that you would really enjoy, if you want to be a partner

with them, that you can say, would love to have you be a guest on my podcast.

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Let's start there and then see what develops.

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And that.

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that offer, you would be surprised at how many really powerful people that you want to

partner with suddenly just have a lot of interest in working with you.

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People that maybe you thought were too big or have too big a list or have too big a

following that you weren't really in that realm.

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As soon as you invite them to be on your podcast, you'd be surprised at how many people

just say yes because they know the power of getting on other people's stages.

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So consider starting your own podcast.

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work with Chuck to find out how to really build those relationships with people and start

really making money with affiliate partnerships and having them promote you and you

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promote them and Having everybody have it as a win-win

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100 % and I would say that not only is it easier than you think, now it's kind of a game.

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It's like, so now I think it is easy because we've been doing it and it's a game.

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What is the bigger and bigger name that I can reach out to where they will just say yes.

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They don't ask you how many downloads you have.

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They don't ask you how many followers you have.

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They just say, sure, I'll love to be on a podcast and take advantage of that while the

marketing world is still like that.

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Well, you're touching on something that says, we're going to the advanced class now, but

you're touching on something that the big guys, the big girls know.

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And they know that even getting on a beginning podcast can be super powerful because when

people listen to podcasts, often they'll go back to number one through 10 and listen to

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those from the very beginning.

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If they run across a podcast they like, they'll go back and listen to the early episodes.

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So if you have a chance to get on a newer podcast that's just starting out, saying yes can

be very powerful.

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And the big players in this industry understand that.

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So if you're just starting out, never be afraid to invite somebody on your podcast.

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I know there is one particular big name, big name that I think Chuck and I both thinking

about who has made it a goal to just to get on as many podcasts as he possibly can.

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He's just saying yes to everybody and he will promote them.

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He will email them and promote them in social media, put them in his newsletter and just

really help you grow.

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because he knows how powerful it is to get on other people's platforms.

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Absolutely, just do it.

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Just do it.

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And if you don't know how to do it, then go to Potapalooza.

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We've talked about that.

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All the links are right beneath this video are in your podcast show notes.

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Kimberly, we're almost out of time, but while I have you here and you're my captive

audience, I ask all of my guests this question because personal growth, self-development

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is near and to my heart.

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We'll have you on the other show.

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We'll talk about that one because we do.

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Books have been such a big part of my journey.

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I always say to our audience that, you your business will only grow to the extent that you

do.

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so I have thousands of books.

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Those are just some of them back there.

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But if you could recommend just one book that could change a life or has been changed your

life or just that is a must read recommendation, is there one that you could think of?

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Well, there are many, and you've heard of lots of them, I'm sure, on this show.

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This one you probably haven't heard of, and it, for me, was a really transformational

book.

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I mean, there's always the Think and Grow Rich and all of those that everybody has heard

about, how to make friends and influence people.

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There's one book called Rejection Proof.

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It's by a gentleman by the name of Jia Jiang.

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He's Asian, and he is terrified of getting rejected.

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So he goes on a quest to get 100 days of rejection so he can get used to it and

comfortable with it so he's never not terrified of it anymore.

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And he starts a blog.

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He's gonna blog on these 100 days of rejection and what the experience is like.

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And he's absolutely way more timid than anybody on your show, as timid as anybody could

be.

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He's so timid and nervous at the very first.

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And as you get, it's not until it's like day number five, you're already cheering him on.

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You're in his corner and he's doing great already.

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And he does complete a hundred days of rejection and starts becoming a real big name in

the industry.

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He's at the end, he's a huge influencer and it wasn't by design.

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He just wanted to not be terrified when somebody rejected him anymore.

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But the story as it unfolds is a true story and it's so inspiring.

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It gives me chills to think about it.

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If you read this book and let me know that you read the book and let me know what you got

out of it, I would love to hear back from you because this one is such, it's so unknown

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and it's so fantastic.

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It's called Rejection Proof by Jia Zhang.

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I have never heard of that before, but what a huge endorsement.

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just love the way you described it.

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Yeah, that's gonna have to go on the must read list for sure.

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And to make it easy for you, the listener, I'll put all the links beneath the video and in

the podcast show notes.

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So there's a lot of links for you to check out, but you gotta go and do it.

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The main thing about this show is we wanna inspire you to take action and...

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you know, go and make that big impact and all of the things you want to do in the world.

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And hopefully we've given you that here today.

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Kimberly, thank you.

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I'm so glad that, you know, I'm so grateful for all the collaborations we've done and to

have you as a friend.

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It's been fantastic.

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And I just love all of the the nuggets of wisdom that you've shared here with with

everybody here today and the inspiration.

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And like you said, it should be fun.

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So have fun along the way.

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Any final words of wisdom or piece of advice you want to share, leave our audience with

here today as we sign off.

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Absolutely.

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So if it's not fun, it's not worth doing is my tagline.

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But my message to you is if somebody hands you a mic, you say yes.

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If somebody hands you a mic, you say, yes, we've handed you a mic today.

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Go to Podapalooza, get on the mic.

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And if you think you'd be a good guest for this show, reach out to me.

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I'll have you on my show here as well.

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Kimberly, thank you so much.

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And to our audience, I want this to mean something here today.

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Think of one thing that you heard us talk about here today and take action.

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Maybe we inspired you to reach out to that event host or that podcast

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or maybe you're gonna launch a podcast, take a step towards that today.

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And if you don't know what step to take, then go down beneath this video and register for

Potapalooza.

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There's a step and then we will keep guiding you from there.

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Remember, there's no obstacle too big to be overcome in your business and your journey to

make a big impact in the world.

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You absolutely can do this.

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You might just be one collaboration away from the big breakthrough that you need.

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Maybe Kimberly is that person to really help you get to the next level.

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Whoever it is, take that step towards it.

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Remember, the only way to fail is to quit.

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So keep moving forward, everyone, and we'll see you on the next one.