Diane Tarshis is a seasoned business advisor and founder of Startup Distillery. Working with entrepreneurs across the US and around the globe, Diane uses her unique mix of finance, retail, manufacturing, and operations experience to help entrepreneurs distill their ideas into profitable, growing businesses. We discuss:

• Shifting from corporate life to small business life [02:32]
• A double-edged sword or a fantasy [05:30]
• A DIY kit for entrepreneurs [07:22]
• Reasons to write a business plan [11:38]
• The difference between growth and scaling [13:03]
• The pressure for growth and scaling [16:38]
• How to grow a consulting business and still keep it solo [18:20]

Learn more about Diane at https://startupdistillery.com/.

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There's people that I don't even know that are buying the

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I don't know anything about them.

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And maybe I'll get an email or a message on Facebook or LinkedIn,

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welcome to smashing the plateau.

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What you're worth.

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Consistently.

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I'm your host, David Schreiner.

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Today on episode 610 of smashing the plateau.

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I'm speaking with the author of quit.

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Repeating yourself.

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Jamie J should you write a book?

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How can your book help your business?

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First time author Jamie shares, why he wrote quit repeating.

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How he wrote it and how he uses his book to help his business, stay with us, to

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We share methods to help you reach more of your ideal audience.

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We also give you a range of tools and resources to support your business,

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Check out the smashing the plateau community so that you

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What you're worth.

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Learn more@smashingtheplateau.com slash community.

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That's smashing the plateau.com/community.

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Now let's welcome, Jamie.

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Jamie is the founder and managing director of bottleneck distant

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Bottleneck is an outsourcing agency that helps businesses identify,

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Jamie is the author of quit repeating yourself, where he shares, how he built a

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So he could stop doing the wrong things and focus on doing his best work.

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After other business professionals kept asking him to explain

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Jamie compiled his best strategies and systems hoping readers could

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Jamie teaches leaders how to build a strong company foundation

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Jamie, welcome back to the show.

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Thanks for having me.

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Oh, it's so great to have you on again.

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And I know you and I have been talking about your book for a long time.

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And as I was thinking about, about, Session today.

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And this episode, there are lots of ways that you could have shared

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Why of all things did you decide to write a book?

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And this is your first book, right?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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It's my

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first book.

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So why

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a book?

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three reasons actually, number one, I wanted to prove to myself

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I asked the same questions, quite a bit, very similar, over and over again.

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And I thought, what's a great way to quit repeating myself.

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And I figured, you know what, why don't I write the book?

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And that way I can put the answers out there that so many people have asked me

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Maybe that means something maybe that more people have this same question.

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So that was the other reason that I wrote the book.

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And then the third reason was I was challenged years ago by one

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And let me live with him and his wife and their two kids and supported me.

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And he said, Jamie, at some point, you're going to have to put this in the buck.

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And that was the third reason on why did that I've really wanted to get that done.

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And initially, when I first got with my publisher, I was actually going

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I don't have enough time.

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I got to live a little bit more life experience a little more life

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I said, why not do the business?

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Yeah, you actually, to a certain extent answered the

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So initially you were thinking about an autobiography now, was that

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A

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lot of it was because, and what's ironic about this is Rob

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I've known him for over 20 years.

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He's one of those guys that he's an attorney it's really on the outside

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And I think maybe the irony of me writing about another friend of mine who helped

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And I said, if you don't have, I didn't really know.

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I still have another book in me.

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I just don't know when.

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And that's where I think I want to dive into more of that

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And I think I need more time in this life to experience more.

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I'm still so young in the, 15 years entrepreneur, but I still have a

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By that time, the full circle, starting a company, growing a company, maybe

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So I want to be able to live that full life cycle and see what

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next book.

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So I do definitely want to talk to you about the content

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That I know how much of a process guy you are.

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I have to talk first about the process, and I know many people who have written

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It was just overwhelming.

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Did you think that the process was going to be exhaustive and

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Yes.

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And I think it got even more exhausted than what I expected.

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it was challenging.

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It was hard, but a lot of it, you know what I think, David, and

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Actually.

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I thought it was going to be challenging, but I thought, wow,

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They're going to help me with this stuff.

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So I thought they'd make it a little bit easier, but I think I had a

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I think in my head I was, it was going to be tough.

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Why?

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Because I'm not around.

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I just not a good writer in my opinion.

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And so in my head, I thought, man, this is going to be hard.

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How in the heck?

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Write a book.

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If I don't consider myself a writer, maybe I should just hire a ghost

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But then I was like, no, I want to do this.

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I want it to be for me now, of course it's been edited, punctuation,

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But the ideas, the research that was, I did that and I'm really proud of that.

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And it made it the day.

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That I was able to get this book published and see it physical copy in my hand that

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It's not a big novel, but at the same time, the people that are going

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These are the people that are, don't have a lot of time, but I

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And I think it was really rewarding.

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So by having a hard time and struggling through this process, even more so than

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first of all, 184 pages is still 184 more

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It's more than most people.

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I've written because most people have not published a book and

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And it's shaped in a way that is easy to digest, easy to understand and

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So that's my takeaway after reading it.

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And I have to say thank you for that.

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Cause that was one of my concerns is that.

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Or that was not one of my concerns, but one of my objectives was

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So that was easy for people to understand.

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I tried to, I really tried to simplify it.

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And then of course, I got to interview a lot of cool people like you and still

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Yeah.

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And I'm touched by that.

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So thank you.

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How did you figure out what process to use and who.

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Could best help

Jaime Jay: 00:08:55

you in the books.

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Yeah for writing.

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So that was, I can't say that is a lot of research that went into this.

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I tripped onto this relationship because I was introduced by a friend of mine.

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And I think, Ashley, Bergoff, but she's also a systems person.

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We were just talking one day and she goes, Hey, have you

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And I said, I'd absolutely love to write a book.

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I just don't have the time right now.

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And she goes, maybe you can talk to these pers.

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So she introduced me to new degree press and I think it's called crazy.

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Dot Institute is the website there.

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If people are interested because it's a very affordable way about,

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And it is a fully process systemized way of turning out a book.

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10 months later after beginning of the.

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You can have your own book.

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It's pretty neat.

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And the way that you go about it, they have different options for you to go in.

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They help raise the money.

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So not all of it comes out of your pocket.

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They help you do a go fund.

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Me account.

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I think it was.

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I think it was something like that.

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It was a fundraising, app.

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I forget which one it was, but they help you, come up with all of that.

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and that's how you pay to get the pay the publisher to get your book done.

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And it's just a, it was an incredible experience.

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the challenges are deadlines, at one point I met with a publisher and he said,

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Do you think you want to extend to December?

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And I'm like, I seriously considered it, but I said, you don't know.

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I want to get this thing launched on time, just like I promised.

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So they all kind of circle the wagons around me and really

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So that accountability was unbelievable having that debtor.

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yeah.

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fortunately it was an introduction from, one of my friends, one of my colleagues.

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Did a great press.

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It was great.

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Wow.

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So 10 months start to

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finish.

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10 months start to finish.

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And how many hours per week would you say you spent on the

Jaime Jay: 00:10:54

process?

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I don't know that every single week I actually worked on the book.

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There was that there was some points to where I would cause.

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And then they would give you feedback and the first round and

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there's, different levels of editing, but at certain points you would turn

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And then.

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After the first, I forget what they called the first editor, but

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And this is how you lay it out.

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And this is, they would explain a little bit about the story arc of

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So they'd worked with me a little bit harder on the first four chapters

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Each has four chapters in it.

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And so they helped me with the first part.

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And then the second, third part, I was more left to be on my own, but

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And it took a while for the revisions editor.

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there was 70 some people going through this particular cohort, so it took some

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You might work, maybe 10 hours a week, something like that.

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And then when the deadlines would come up, you'd work a little bit more.

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And the revisions and the editing that was even more time consuming.

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I had one heck of a time with chapter five and thankfully my wife jumped in

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And.

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Yeah.

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I just really had a hard time.

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It wasn't making sense.

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And she just came in and whizzbang did all together and did a great job.

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And, yeah, that was probably the most time spent on one chapter, probably

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Okay.

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Now it sounds like it was a good process and a.

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Yeah, congratulations for getting it done, but let's talk about the content.

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so you said, basically this was your way of putting your answers to

Jaime Jay: 00:12:45

Yeah, exactly.

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So I thought about what is our business entail?

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we're huge fans of company culture.

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I think leadership is something that needs to have a lot of time

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About leadership and then of course, systems and processes.

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I'm a massive fan of systems and processes.

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I'm a practitioner of creating systems and processes and workflows.

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And then of course, for the company that we have, recruiting

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That's our.

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That's it.

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That's your bread and butter.

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That's our bread and butter.

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So I thought there's a lot of leadership books out there.

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There's a lot of culture books out there.

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There's a lot of sales books, a lot of marketing books, a lot of books on

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So what I did is I have three parts in the.

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And I want to send a special shout out and thanks to Christopher Lochhead.

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He wrote the forward to the book and talks about the entrepreneurial journey

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And I broke it down into three parts.

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Part.

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First part is culture and leadership.

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Second part is systems and processes.

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And the third part of the book is recruiting and hiring.

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And I opened up the book, pun intended, open up the book to our own business.

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And I wanted to share with other people what it was that we were

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And then what kind of culture do we have here and what am I doing?

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To become a better leader every single day.

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What do I keep challenging myself with?

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So I interviewed a lot of amazing people you're included and got some wonderful

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And it was a really neat way to bring that all together.

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I think, yeah, that's the content of the book.

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Who's the ideal reader.

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The ideal reader is either a new or a veteran.

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entrepreneur that as having problems, they've gotten to a

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They can't quite get to that next level or, the experience

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What it probably more designed for that maybe a team leader.

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high level executive people that have been around awhile and

Jaime Jay: 00:15:21

They're starting to identify different friction points in the business

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This book will really help them out and being able to not only identify,

Jaime Jay: 00:15:34

And you heard the seventh year itch in marriage.

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There's the same thing in business that seventh year itch in business.

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I actually, it could be third three through seventh year.

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They're just going to that next level.

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And now all of a sudden, certain things are pointing out.

Jaime Jay: 00:15:47

Your customers are maybe complaining about this or that, and it's starting to occur

Jaime Jay: 00:15:57

Those are great examples that your systems or processes haven't been

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You might even not even have them.

Jaime Jay: 00:16:08

And this is a real opportunity for this book to help you.

Jaime Jay: 00:16:13

Get a better direction going,

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:16:15

Jamie, what are some of the unexpected bits of

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:16:20

What has surprised you with some of the things you've heard?

Jaime Jay: 00:16:23

This was in the part.

Jaime Jay: 00:16:25

I had a massive imposter syndrome.

Jaime Jay: 00:16:29

I almost thought at one point I go, I wonder if I should market

Jaime Jay: 00:16:35

it's not that bad, like I was so afraid to put this out there.

Jaime Jay: 00:16:39

I really was because I'm like, who in the heck am I to write

Jaime Jay: 00:16:46

Who am like, are you kidding me?

Jaime Jay: 00:16:50

I started solely hearing, you know what?

Jaime Jay: 00:16:52

It's very actionable, very topical.

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And you know what?

Jaime Jay: 00:16:55

That's what I meant for it to be.

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Now I heard one person say I read it in two hours.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:00

I heard another person say, yeah, I read through it the first time into.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:04

But I went back and I really spent some time studying it and I'd learned a lot.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:09

And then I'd even get like little messages.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:11

And this has happened a couple of times.

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And if people have taken pictures of where they were at in the book and one

Jaime Jay: 00:17:24

Help them and resonated with them.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:26

And I was like, this is unbelievable.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:29

Or, Hey, I was so entertained by this book.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:31

I was on the airplane and I didn't even care that the

Jaime Jay: 00:17:35

I was just into your book so much.

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And I just was like, that's so cool.

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little things like that.

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The people are really getting something out of it.

Jaime Jay: 00:17:41

And now, as I can say, I'm an author and as an author to do something

Jaime Jay: 00:17:50

Yeah.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:17:50

Have you heard anything that was, totally unexpected,

Jaime Jay: 00:18:10

Not yet.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:11

And that's a really good question cause now I really want to dive into that.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:14

Maybe explore it more and see if I can reach out to find that out.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:18

I don't know if people have had enough time to implement against

Jaime Jay: 00:18:24

That's a really good question.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:25

I should really, I have to be more intentional about finding.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:29

So here's a question that may help.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:31

I don't know if you have an answer to this or not, but could also help other

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:43

Yeah,

Jaime Jay: 00:18:43

that's huge.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:44

and this is as many people know, if you go buy a book on borders, I'm sorry.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:49

Borders, Barnes, and noble

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:51

stating you, Jamie.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:52

Yeah.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:53

That

Jaime Jay: 00:18:53

is, that is really bad.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:54

Amazon, any place where you can go and buy a book, you don't get that data.

Jaime Jay: 00:18:59

Amazon's not going to give you the customer's data that bought the book.

Jaime Jay: 00:19:03

They won't do it.

Jaime Jay: 00:19:04

Hopefully they'll leave a review and you'll know, but that's why I think

Jaime Jay: 00:19:23

And then after they give you their name and email or whatever information

Jaime Jay: 00:19:34

I think that's really important.

Jaime Jay: 00:19:35

That's what we've done here.

Jaime Jay: 00:19:36

But I'm still finding there's people that I don't even know that are buying

Jaime Jay: 00:19:44

I don't know anything about them.

Jaime Jay: 00:19:46

And maybe I'll get an email or a message on Facebook or LinkedIn, or I'll see

Jaime Jay: 00:20:04

I have no idea who that is, So

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:06

you can't reach out to them?

Jaime Jay: 00:20:08

No, I can't say thank you.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:09

Or I can't say, what did you like most about it was there?

Jaime Jay: 00:20:12

What about this book helped you, overcome the challenges are, what

Jaime Jay: 00:20:17

What motivated you to get the book?

Jaime Jay: 00:20:18

I lose those interactions and it's a bummer.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:22

Yeah.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:22

Yeah.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:23

you got the first one done.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:25

You hinted that this is not going to be your only one what's in your head.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:29

What's now.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:31

Yeah, my publisher said right as we were wrapping up, they said, okay,

Jaime Jay: 00:20:36

You want to start in the next cohort?

Jaime Jay: 00:20:37

I'm like, no, let me take a breather from that.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:39

Cause it's a lot, it's a very.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:42

It's very heavy on your brain.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:44

There's a lot of thinking that needs to go into it.

Jaime Jay: 00:20:47

So I needed to relax cause, me, my brain doesn't, I'm not the brightest

Jaime Jay: 00:20:55

So I said, I to know about that.

Jaime Jay: 00:21:00

I know my limits, so don't push it, Jamie.

Jaime Jay: 00:21:05

So yeah, I would love to write another book and maybe explore, the next.

Jaime Jay: 00:21:11

In, whatever it is that we're doing here at bottleneck, we have some

Jaime Jay: 00:21:19

So maybe this is something that I can cover in the next book,

Jaime Jay: 00:21:25

And then I think, yeah, when in about another five to 10 years, I seriously

Jaime Jay: 00:21:32

There's some pretty crazy stuff that happened in my life.

Jaime Jay: 00:21:35

and a lot of people like.

Jaime Jay: 00:21:37

Look at how crazy other people's lives are and hope,

David Shriner-Cahn:

: 00:21:40

hope that helps people.

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: 00:21:42

Sounds great.

David Shriner-Cahn:

: 00:21:42

Jamie, congratulations again on this, milestone achievement, I've

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: 00:21:51

You writing a book or not writing a book.

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: 00:21:53

So congratulations on getting it done.

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: 00:21:56

And, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to join us again

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: 00:22:07

My guest today has been the author of quit repeating yourself.

David Shriner-Cahn:

: 00:22:10

Jamie, Jay, thank you again, Jamie for joining us.

Jaime Jay: 00:22:14

Thank you.

Jaime Jay: 00:22:14

Thank you.

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