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SUMMARY KEYWORDS manufacturing, mx, manufacturers, liz, industry, industrial, individuals, imts, people, conversation, technology, world, future, apprenticeships, jobs, cyber, important, ethicist, means, msd 00:00 Industrial Talk is brought to you by Armis. Yes, you were in the digital transformation game. Yes, you need to find trusted companies, trusted individuals to help you along with that journey. The Armis platform delivers complete asset intelligence, you know what that means, insights into your connected assets, you're in the digital transformation game, you have to have that insights into what is connected, go to Armis.com Find out more, you will not be disappointed. Also Industry IoT Consortium. At industrial talk, we always talk about education, we always talk about collaboration, we are always talking about innovation. And if you're a business that has any desire to be resilient to the future, you need to be able to educate, collaborate, as well as innovate with other industry professionals. That's a must. Industry IoT Consortium brings that all together, you need to be a part of this community, you need to be connected with these leaders that are all apart the Industry IoT Consortium, go out to iiconsortium.org. Find out more again, you will not be disappointed, you're just going to be happy. 01:16 Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots. And let's go All right, 01:34 what's good. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk. You are absolutely joining the number one podcast in the universe serverless. The universe, we're beyond the Webb telescope. And we celebrate industry professionals all around the world because you are bold, brave, daring greatly. You solve problems, you collaborate, you're making my life better, and you're making the world a better place. That's why we celebrate you. We are as you can tell by the noise in the background, the music, the 80s 70s vibey mood music in the background, we are broadcasting on site at MxD Chicago, Illinois. This is an innovation center that is second to none. It's excellent to have an open house because we're a part of that IMTS thing that's going on to which happens to be pretty big. Liz is in the hot seat. And we're going to be talking a little bit about education upskilling, rescaling all of this stuff that's so important to manufacturing. Let's get on to racket. Hello. It's pretty cool. I like this stuff. Not that I do like this stuff. But I like the fact that that I get to see cool technology. Pretty great. Yeah, because a lot of it this week, but you know, it's you know what the problem is? The problem is, is that on a podcast, dive deep into code you wouldn't even listen to that's not gonna happen with me. I'll hit that jettison, I'll just pull that thing out of the cockpit. All right, for the listeners out there. Give us a little background on lives and MxD and your involvement, as well as how long you've been here. And anything else I can want to ask it. 03:16 Absolutely. So I have been at MxD now for seven and a half years, working Shih Tzu beginning since the beginning since we can in fact, before I came here, I was out in Washington, DC, working for the Obama administration, leading the US manufacturing Council. And that is where the idea for these Institute's started. So 03:38 in that, that idea is what to 03:41 set up a network of manufacturing innovation institutes across the country to increase manufacturing competitiveness in the United States. So that was a policy recommendation that came through the Obama administration. And now these 16 Institute's that you see around the country are the product of that. 03:57 When you say 16, are they all MSD they are not all different names are different brands, different names, 04:03 different brands, and most importantly, each one focuses on a different technology area. And that's really important because we can all be focused on the same technology. We're looking at different topics. We're looking at additive, we're looking at flexible hybrid electronics, we're looking at in the case of MXD, we're looking at digital manufacturing and cybersecurity for manufacturing. 04:24 Cyber is big. Cyber is have you ever found Yeah. Have you ever found the fact that it's a conversation or a topic that people need to talk about, but nobody wants to talk about it? 04:35 It's you know, I find that sometimes. 04:40 Yeah, I had a I had a attack over here. I was just wasn't prepared. Let's have a conversation. No, nobody wants to have that conversation. Oh, 04:47 conversation, as our CEO just said in his remarks, it's not. It's not if it happens, it's when it happens. 04:52 Absolutely. It's that has to be at the very beginning of any of the conversations associate With digital transformation, 05:01 it should be, it's really important because otherwise you got to go back and do a lot of work. And you can save yourself. If you start that conversation right at the beginning. 05:11 People always look at, hey, we will get to the topic that is so important to us. But I am I am deviating from that real quick. And that is it's, if you want to achieve and you said, hey, I want to be in this digital transformation, where this journey because it is a journey, that make your ears bleed, it's such a journey, but you need to be in it, you've got to have that conversation, you got to have it upfront and do it. And I'm glad you guys are talking about that. People don't like cyber people. 05:45 Well, and as you will hear tonight, manufacturing is the most targeted sector for cyber espionage attacks more than any other industry, because of both the IP, and the supply chain vulnerability is the most targeted sector. 06:03 So I had a conversation with a cyber company. And what do they call it? They call it island hopping. We call it island hopping, let's say I am a big company. Right. And I have vendors. And so what happens is that cyber people go after the vendors to Island hop to penetrate that work 06:32 that way. That's right. That's right. 06:34 I had to pick myself off the ground. I just said oh, gosh, I don't want to be you don't want to be the island. Man. So yeah, well, Scott is the problem to this. That's right. All right. One of the conversation that topics that is very, very hot in manufacturing, of course, it's training, it's it's education, it's attracting the right people, for your business to be in business and be sustainable for the near future, if not a legacy. So that's right. What is mx? D doing about that? 07:12 So we have a workforce development program and workforce development team. Our workforce program is called MXD learn. And it houses all of the programs and projects and our workforce portfolio. So we are looking at a little bit of everything at this stage to make sure we understand where the most value is for industry and current workers and future workers. So we are looking at middle school programs that they'll awareness, we're looking at high school programs that can offer dual credit with community colleges. We're looking at apprenticeships that bring in small and midsize manufacturers in particular who have never participated in an apprenticeship program before in many cases, and trying to help them understand the value of engaging with apprenticeships, the Community College, we're looking at defining the future of work, what do what kind of skills are individuals going to need? What kind of roles are employers going to need to have? And then we're looking at how we make it as accessible as possible for individuals to get access to this kind of training curriculum. 08:18 So when I was a boy, which was probably maybe about 15 years ago, I look younger than I am. Anyway. So I remember in second grade, and I've really, it's sort of weird that we would always get Phil, somebody come in, bring us film, and it was always about manufacturing. Is it always about hey, we're baking bread, and then we're gonna put it on the truck, and we're gonna go and they just would just provide that picture that story. And I remember as a kid going, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that truck drivers going over here. And and I think that we've gotten away from that a little bit developing that story of of, I mean, if you go to MX or IMTS, how can you not be inspired? 09:02 Come on. That's right. It's exciting. It's really, really exciting. It is, it is. 09:08 So what what what can we do to begin to inspire younger professionals like like you said, and sort of middle school, what are we? What are we missing there? 09:22 So I think that we are selling young people short, a little bit here we talk about I do I do? I, we, we we say that they're not interested in manufacturing careers. But our experience has been that as we are talking with young people, they're extremely interested in manufacturing careers. And they are thinking about all the high tech advanced manufacturing opportunities that exist. They have better awareness than I think some of those who are currently in the manufacturing workforce didn't 09:54 Why is there that sort of negative thing going on out there? Why is there this misconception or this Can I say, misconceptions or myths and misconceptions? Why? 10:04 Well, I think there's a couple of things. I think there's a lack of awareness about the opportunities that exist. Okay. So I think you're right. Individuals, young people, even if in current workers aren't that excited necessarily to go work on an assembly line, but they might be very excited to design and program robots that do the work that was traditionally done by an individual on the assembly line. That doesn't mean we have fewer workers, that means we have workers in different jobs. And so I think that there are two pieces one is awareness about the opportunities both for individuals who might step into these careers, but also for manufacturing employers who were encouraging to think about advanced manufacturing technologies and the implementation of those technologies within their factories. So I think we have to ask manufacturers to step up a little bit more. 10:53 Yeah. I agree with you 100%. On that, I think that if I think if if a manufacturer comes to me, and says, I'm having a hard time finding people, okay, great. You're, clearly everybody's having that. What are you doing internally, that's right, to up your game, to, you know, be different or to communicate that we're here for the long haul. And we're going to be doing something remarkable stuff, whatever that marketing is, and being 11:23 clear about what it means to be employed. And within that facility, what is the career pathway, what opportunities exist for the individual worker, all of us going into any kind of job, want to know what the career pathway looks like, at that place? And so the same thing would be true with the manufacturers, what are the next steps? How can I continue to grow and develop a career here, not a job, but a real career? 11:48 I think that's, that's sort of an epiphany on my part, me, not, not you, you create the Epiphany, whatever the math is, it's all on this side, that I think you're right. If I'm a manufacturer, and I'm I'm and I'm somewhat lazy, and this is the way we normally do it. And when all that garbage. That's not a good strategy to sort of develop that business that is resilient in leveraging all the beautiful things that's taking place in the future. 12:13 That's right. And it's hard for manufacturers to so we, we frequently cite a statistic that says 85% of students who are in school today, will in primary school today will ultimately end up in jobs that have not yet been created. 12:28 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that sometimes I gloss over data. But that sounds like 12:33 85 85%. It's a significant number. And so when when I first heard this number, I was like, that doesn't seem possible. But in the last seven and a half years that I've been working, the growth I've seen in the career opportunities in manufacturing, we went from barely understanding what a digital twin was, except within very niche groups, to it being kind of part of the common language now within all manufacturing, and even frankly, beyond some manufacturing circles. And so we talk about how difficult it is for manufacturers and academics, to think about what kind of skill sets they need, what kind of jobs they need, what kind of equipment they need, when the the world, and the technology is moving so fast. 13:23 So what do you start? I mean, we're what's like what's, you know, the starting line? Because it's like, yeah, you're Yep, you're hitting on all cylinders? Yep, you're good. 13:33 I think, shameless plug a great place to start would be the MSD hiring guides, where we identify 412 jobs of the future. These are what we anticipate will be the roles and skills and career pathways of the future and manufacturing as it relates to digital for manufacturing and cybersecurity and manufacturing. 13:52 So, but I have to be a member, 13:55 but it's free to download from our website isn't really available to anyone, 14:00 and the analytics that went behind that right, as I say, you know, in depth 14:05 collaboration with Manpower Group out of Milwaukee, but also with dozens of our subject matter experts across industry and academia, and frankly, some of our government and nonprofit partners. 14:16 So me as a broadcaster, I want to download that and say, did you know that in the future, there's Hey, you know who I was talking? I was talking to somebody about nanotechnology data. Yeah. Super small. Yes. Now, it's just like, it's like, no, this is not it's just insane. So somebody's gonna be responsible for nanotechnology. 14:38 And even think about the one of the roles we we talked about in our digital cyber or digital hiring Guide is a data ethicist, a manufacturer needs to think about employing someone within their facility who is a data ethicist because as we start talking about connected factories, and the data we're collecting and analyzing how are we making sure that we're protecting it, that we're using it in appropriate ways you need someone with a skill set to be thinking about that this is what we anticipate is the future of work is going to look like in manufacturing. And this is why it can be so difficult for manufacturers to to think about what kind of talent they need to bring in and foster. 15:19 And you you touched upon this the speed, like, again, just telling you, man, I went to a conference last year and then go to a conference this year. It was like, it doesn't even look the same. Right? The the jargon is different, you know, it was and and it's just, yeah, I can understand how people are gonna, I don't know what Yeah, 15:38 it's so hard. And because it's moving so quickly, academia has to move that quickly, too. So we have to think about non traditional ways of learning. Because we can't have individuals go into school for two, four years come out, and expect to be up to date on the technology, it's moving way too fast. For

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00:00

Industrial Talk is brought to you by Armis. Yes, you were in the digital transformation game. Yes, you need to find trusted companies, trusted individuals to help you along with that journey. The Armis platform delivers complete asset intelligence, you know what that means, insights into your connected assets, you're in the digital transformation game, you have to have that insights into what is connected, go to Armis.com Find out more, you will not be disappointed. Also Industry IoT Consortium. At industrial talk, we always talk about education, we always talk about collaboration, we are always talking about innovation. And if you're a business that has any desire to be resilient to the future, you need to be able to educate, collaborate, as well as innovate with other industry professionals. That's a must. Industry IoT Consortium brings that all together, you need to be a part of this community, you need to be connected with these leaders that are all apart the Industry IoT Consortium, go out to iiconsortium.org. Find out more again, you will not be disappointed, you're just going to be happy.

01:16

Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott Mackenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots. And let's go All right,

01:34

what's good. Thank you very much for joining the industrial talk. You are absolutely joining the number one podcast in the universe serverless. The universe, we're beyond the Webb telescope. And we celebrate industry professionals all around the world because you are bold, brave, daring greatly. You solve problems, you collaborate, you're making my life better, and you're making the world a better place. That's why we celebrate you. We are as you can tell by the noise in the background, the music, the 80s 70s vibey mood music in the background, we are broadcasting on site at MxD Chicago, Illinois. This is an innovation center that is second to none. It's excellent to have an open house because we're a part of that IMTS thing that's going on to which happens to be pretty big. Liz is in the hot seat. And we're going to be talking a little bit about education upskilling, rescaling all of this stuff that's so important to manufacturing. Let's get on to racket. Hello. It's pretty cool. I like this stuff. Not that I do like this stuff. But I like the fact that that I get to see cool technology. Pretty great. Yeah, because a lot of it this week, but you know, it's you know what the problem is? The problem is, is that on a podcast, dive deep into code you wouldn't even listen to that's not gonna happen with me. I'll hit that jettison, I'll just pull that thing out of the cockpit. All right, for the listeners out there. Give us a little background on lives and MxD and your involvement, as well as how long you've been here. And anything else I can want to ask it.

03:16

Absolutely. So I have been at MxD now for seven and a half years, working Shih Tzu beginning since the beginning since we can in fact, before I came here, I was out in Washington, DC, working for the Obama administration, leading the US manufacturing Council. And that is where the idea for these Institute's started. So

03:38

in that, that idea is what to

03:41

set up a network of manufacturing innovation institutes across the country to increase manufacturing competitiveness in the United States. So that was a policy recommendation that came through the Obama administration. And now these 16 Institute's that you see around the country are the product of that.

03:57

When you say 16, are they all MSD they are not all different names are different brands, different names,

04:03

different brands, and most importantly, each one focuses on a different technology area. And that's really important because we can all be focused on the same technology. We're looking at different topics. We're looking at additive, we're looking at flexible hybrid electronics, we're looking at in the case of MXD, we're looking at digital manufacturing and cybersecurity for manufacturing.

04:24

Cyber is big. Cyber is have you ever found Yeah. Have you ever found the fact that it's a conversation or a topic that people need to talk about, but nobody wants to talk about it?

04:35

It's you know, I find that sometimes.

04:40

Yeah, I had a I had a attack over here. I was just wasn't prepared. Let's have a conversation. No, nobody wants to have that conversation. Oh,

04:47

conversation, as our CEO just said in his remarks, it's not. It's not if it happens, it's when it happens.

04:52

Absolutely. It's that has to be at the very beginning of any of the conversations associate With digital transformation,

05:01

it should be, it's really important because otherwise you got to go back and do a lot of work. And you can save yourself. If you start that conversation right at the beginning.

05:11

People always look at, hey, we will get to the topic that is so important to us. But I am I am deviating from that real quick. And that is it's, if you want to achieve and you said, hey, I want to be in this digital transformation, where this journey because it is a journey, that make your ears bleed, it's such a journey, but you need to be in it, you've got to have that conversation, you got to have it upfront and do it. And I'm glad you guys are talking about that. People don't like cyber people.

05:45

Well, and as you will hear tonight, manufacturing is the most targeted sector for cyber espionage attacks more than any other industry, because of both the IP, and the supply chain vulnerability is the most targeted sector.

06:03

So I had a conversation with a cyber company. And what do they call it? They call it island hopping. We call it island hopping, let's say I am a big company. Right. And I have vendors. And so what happens is that cyber people go after the vendors to Island hop to penetrate that work

06:32

that way. That's right. That's right.

06:34

I had to pick myself off the ground. I just said oh, gosh, I don't want to be you don't want to be the island. Man. So yeah, well, Scott is the problem to this. That's right. All right. One of the conversation that topics that is very, very hot in manufacturing, of course, it's training, it's it's education, it's attracting the right people, for your business to be in business and be sustainable for the near future, if not a legacy. So that's right. What is mx? D doing about that?

07:12

So we have a workforce development program and workforce development team. Our workforce program is called MXD learn. And it houses all of the programs and projects and our workforce portfolio. So we are looking at a little bit of everything at this stage to make sure we understand where the most value is for industry and current workers and future workers. So we are looking at middle school programs that they'll awareness, we're looking at high school programs that can offer dual credit with community colleges. We're looking at apprenticeships that bring in small and midsize manufacturers in particular who have never participated in an apprenticeship program before in many cases, and trying to help them understand the value of engaging with apprenticeships, the Community College, we're looking at defining the future of work, what do what kind of skills are individuals going to need? What kind of roles are employers going to need to have? And then we're looking at how we make it as accessible as possible for individuals to get access to this kind of training curriculum.

08:18

So when I was a boy, which was probably maybe about 15 years ago, I look younger than I am. Anyway. So I remember in second grade, and I've really, it's sort of weird that we would always get Phil, somebody come in, bring us film, and it was always about manufacturing. Is it always about hey, we're baking bread, and then we're gonna put it on the truck, and we're gonna go and they just would just provide that picture that story. And I remember as a kid going, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that truck drivers going over here. And and I think that we've gotten away from that a little bit developing that story of of, I mean, if you go to MX or IMTS, how can you not be inspired?

09:02

Come on. That's right. It's exciting. It's really, really exciting. It is, it is.

09:08

So what what what can we do to begin to inspire younger professionals like like you said, and sort of middle school, what are we? What are we missing there?

09:22

So I think that we are selling young people short, a little bit here we talk about I do I do? I, we, we we say that they're not interested in manufacturing careers. But our experience has been that as we are talking with young people, they're extremely interested in manufacturing careers. And they are thinking about all the high tech advanced manufacturing opportunities that exist. They have better awareness than I think some of those who are currently in the manufacturing workforce didn't

09:54

Why is there that sort of negative thing going on out there? Why is there this misconception or this Can I say, misconceptions or myths and misconceptions? Why?

10:04

Well, I think there's a couple of things. I think there's a lack of awareness about the opportunities that exist. Okay. So I think you're right. Individuals, young people, even if in current workers aren't that excited necessarily to go work on an assembly line, but they might be very excited to design and program robots that do the work that was traditionally done by an individual on the assembly line. That doesn't mean we have fewer workers, that means we have workers in different jobs. And so I think that there are two pieces one is awareness about the opportunities both for individuals who might step into these careers, but also for manufacturing employers who were encouraging to think about advanced manufacturing technologies and the implementation of those technologies within their factories. So I think we have to ask manufacturers to step up a little bit more.

10:53

Yeah. I agree with you 100%. On that, I think that if I think if if a manufacturer comes to me, and says, I'm having a hard time finding people, okay, great. You're, clearly everybody's having that. What are you doing internally, that's right, to up your game, to, you know, be different or to communicate that we're here for the long haul. And we're going to be doing something remarkable stuff, whatever that marketing is, and being

11:23

clear about what it means to be employed. And within that facility, what is the career pathway, what opportunities exist for the individual worker, all of us going into any kind of job, want to know what the career pathway looks like, at that place? And so the same thing would be true with the manufacturers, what are the next steps? How can I continue to grow and develop a career here, not a job, but a real career?

11:48

I think that's, that's sort of an epiphany on my part, me, not, not you, you create the Epiphany, whatever the math is, it's all on this side, that I think you're right. If I'm a manufacturer, and I'm I'm and I'm somewhat lazy, and this is the way we normally do it. And when all that garbage. That's not a good strategy to sort of develop that business that is resilient in leveraging all the beautiful things that's taking place in the future.

12:13

That's right. And it's hard for manufacturers to so we, we frequently cite a statistic that says 85% of students who are in school today, will in primary school today will ultimately end up in jobs that have not yet been created.

12:28

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that sometimes I gloss over data. But that sounds like

12:33

85 85%. It's a significant number. And so when when I first heard this number, I was like, that doesn't seem possible. But in the last seven and a half years that I've been working, the growth I've seen in the career opportunities in manufacturing, we went from barely understanding what a digital twin was, except within very niche groups, to it being kind of part of the common language now within all manufacturing, and even frankly, beyond some manufacturing circles. And so we talk about how difficult it is for manufacturers and academics, to think about what kind of skill sets they need, what kind of jobs they need, what kind of equipment they need, when the the world, and the technology is moving so fast.

13:23

So what do you start? I mean, we're what's like what's, you know, the starting line? Because it's like, yeah, you're Yep, you're hitting on all cylinders? Yep, you're good.

13:33

I think, shameless plug a great place to start would be the MSD hiring guides, where we identify 412 jobs of the future. These are what we anticipate will be the roles and skills and career pathways of the future and manufacturing as it relates to digital for manufacturing and cybersecurity and manufacturing.

13:52

So, but I have to be a member,

13:55

but it's free to download from our website isn't really available to anyone,

14:00

and the analytics that went behind that right, as I say, you know, in depth

14:05

collaboration with Manpower Group out of Milwaukee, but also with dozens of our subject matter experts across industry and academia, and frankly, some of our government and nonprofit partners.

14:16

So me as a broadcaster, I want to download that and say, did you know that in the future, there's Hey, you know who I was talking? I was talking to somebody about nanotechnology data. Yeah. Super small. Yes. Now, it's just like, it's like, no, this is not it's just insane. So somebody's gonna be responsible for nanotechnology.

14:38

And even think about the one of the roles we we talked about in our digital cyber or digital hiring Guide is a data ethicist, a manufacturer needs to think about employing someone within their facility who is a data ethicist because as we start talking about connected factories, and the data we're collecting and analyzing how are we making sure that we're protecting it, that we're using it in appropriate ways you need someone with a skill set to be thinking about that this is what we anticipate is the future of work is going to look like in manufacturing. And this is why it can be so difficult for manufacturers to to think about what kind of talent they need to bring in and foster.

15:19

And you you touched upon this the speed, like, again, just telling you, man, I went to a conference last year and then go to a conference this year. It was like, it doesn't even look the same. Right? The the jargon is different, you know, it was and and it's just, yeah, I can understand how people are gonna, I don't know what Yeah,

15:38

it's so hard. And because it's moving so quickly, academia has to move that quickly, too. So we have to think about non traditional ways of learning. Because we can't have individuals go into school for two, four years come out, and expect to be up to date on the technology, it's moving way too fast. For that we have to think about manageable bite size opportunities at learning that allowed those who are working to jump in and out as they need to. It's exciting. It's so exciting. It's

16:06

correctly with the buzz. I love it. I really do. And I think that I wish I was younger, because I would I would definitely go down this road because it's just it's just exciting. It's just like, it's it's got meaning it's got meat to it.

16:24

And the opportunity is, frankly kind of growing

16:28

big time. And you could go anywhere, anywhere. If you if you master this stuff. Yeah, you're you're the definitely the prettiest person at that dance. No doubt about it, man, because you do it and you do it well, and yeah, you're gonna be knocking down the door. How do people get a hold of you there? Liz?

16:47

Check out MxDusa.org. My information is available for anyone on our website. Her name

16:54

is Liz. She is an absolute no education Juggernaut, can I use epic? And I just wanted to do that. I love it. All right, download that information. In fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to download and I'm going to tell you to download it because I want to know what the you know, the workforce of the future is going to look like and what that means. All right, once again, we're broadcasting from MXD in Chicago, Illinois. It's an innovation. It's an innovation place. That is big time. And I'm getting ready to go on my little tour. I want that guy. Yeah, I'll be in there forever, too, as well. Thank you, Liz for being on the podcast so much for having me. All right, let's just we're gonna wrap it up on the side. So fear now we're gonna have the contact information for Liz and others at industrial talk.com. Stay tuned.

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All right, once again, thank you very much for joining industrial talk. And truly thank you very much for your support of industrial talk that was Liz Stuck MXD is the organization to have a wonderful innovation center up there supporting manufacturers, you need to check them out, all of the contact information will be out on industrial talk.com. So if you're not you will be able to get a hold of these incredible professionals. Now, a couple items to put on your calendar, we're going to be broadcasting from Fabtech. That's in Atlanta, that's November 8 through the 10th. So we're going to be on site there and just celebrating incredible manufacturers at that event. Now, we're also going to be in Barcelona, the end of January. For IoT solutions World Congress bowl events are a must attend event. And it's all just like I said, go out to industrial talk and you'll be able to find the links and and we're gonna be there. So look me up. Look up team industrial talk, and you will have a great time. All right. Once again, be bold, be brave, dare greatly hang out with people like Liz, and you're going to change the world. Thank you very much for joining industrial talk and we're going to have another great conversation shortly. So stay tuned.