Lynsey Dyer is a freestyle skier, artist, filmmaker, entrepreneur, activist, podcaster, and a new mom. Lynsey is the founder of the movie production and apparel company Unicorn Picnic and co-founder of SheJumps.org. 

In this episode, Lynsey shares how her cousin (A.J. Cargill) was a big influence in helping her make the move to Jackson from Sun Valley, ID. She talks about her early days of living in the Hole, working at D.O.G., and getting her start with Teton Gravity Research. Stephan and Lynsey chat about some of the impactful organizations she has helped create and her latest project that involves local wildlife. They then discuss sponsorships, parenthood, the changing pro athlete industry, and what is in store next for Lynsey. 

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Listen to Lynsey’s podcast ShowingUp at LynseyDyer.com/podcast

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Everyone.

I really enjoy reading and learning from others, which guides me to share a little quote with you before we begin.

Today's episode today's quote is when it comes to human dignity, we cannot make compromises.

And that comes from Angela Merkel.

And today on episode number 202, I have the pleasure.

To interview Lynsey Dyer.

Lynseys a professional in so many areas of life, she's in extreme skiing or freestyle skiing, as some call it.

Now she is a Strong advocate in women's sports.

She knows how to survive, unlimited resources, being an outdoor enthusiast and skier and finds ways to create opportunities.

She is a dedicated athlete who has demonstrated women such as herself and other women that she speaks about are just as brave and talented as men are.

And especially in the world of free ski.

Lindsay shares with us, the battles she has faced to be treated with fairness.

And why gear companies never treated women the same as a consumer group.

And what caused those gear companies to make changes.

So.

You'll learn a lot.

Listening to Lindsay today.

She has some phenomenal insights and some very strong passions about where she is in life and where life is going and what she's gonna do next.

Lynsey.

Thank you for joining me here today at the Jackson hole connection.

It's great.

for you to take some time outta your busy schedule, being a new mom mm-hmm and business person.

So I appreciate your time.

Yeah.

Thanks

for having me, Lindsay, let's start off by you sharing your story of where you grew up and, how you became a resident of this valley of Jackson.

Yeah, that's saying a lot these days, isn't it?

Yeah.

It's like winning the Olympics.

yeah, so I grew up in Sun Valley, Idaho as a young ski racer.

I was traveling to Jackson all the time, literally all the time.

So it was kind of a second home.

And the thing I always noticed was that the powder was always in Jackson hole and, Some of my best ski races were here.

Some of my best memories of hooliganism as a, as little kids, like making, just getting into trouble.

And, and then also being kidnapped by my cousin who her name is AJ Cargill.

And she's a long time resident as well.

You should definitely get some of her stories on here.

She's always just kind of in my hero.

She's kind of that the big sister in my life, and she made it here in Jackson, first as a bartender and a skier and live in the dream.

one of the first competitors on the, extreme skiing tour, she won the tour.

She was a first, female to win the, the, Alaska extreme world extremes.

And.

Then went on to be the first woman to, ski the grand in Telemark skis.

And she just has so many of these first accomplishments.

She was one of the first to sort of expand the world of, of free skiing.

And I.

She, she, like I said, she kidnapped me for my races and, and had me go jump off things in the back country.

And, and if she said I could do it, then I could.

And, and from then on, it was, uh, she was a huge influence in my life.

And she all the way, as I was ski racing, she was always trying to get me to come to these extreme skiing competitions.

And I was always kind of blowing them off.

And finally, I, I, I saw what a special community it was and open and welcoming.

And, then I kind of turned everything toward that eventually and, ended up winning the tour.

And, and that was all because of my cousin and I was living on her couch here in Jackson.

And my first job was at the do G down on Glen and slinging coffee and burritos and, meeting the, the people that really.

With and make, make a life here from all the ski, patrollers and photographers and, carpenters, that really make this town what it is.

And I fell in love with it.

I mean, it, it, it was special from the very first time anyone who shows up here, right?

Like those Tetons never get old.

They are magical.

So everyone wants to live here.

. Stephan Abrams: A lot of people wanna live here in Jackson, for sure.

Mm-hmm I guess like the, the thing that really made me stay though, was if finally getting an opportunity to ski with Teton gravity research, and then finding a way to, like I said, just live on my cousin's couch, and make it, make it a life.

Good for you con congratulations.

I'm I'm very curious about, getting off on a little side.

road here, you worked at DOJ do do OG down on Glen.

you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

So, you know, it's predecessor was cafe 2 45.

Ah, and I think it was Becca who re brought that back to life after John Hall had closed cafe 2 45.

And I think he even came back a little bit.

Did you work for, be.

One, I think she was the first person that no, a couple

of guys, other ski bumps.

So, when, when I was there, I guess like 2005 or six, seven, something like that.

Mm-hmm

mm-hmm so when I moved here, there was this place called cafe 2 45.

It was at Pearl street, 2 45 Pearl street, right across the street from the post office where, um, Momo shack is.

Oh, okay.

Mm-hmm and that's where that breakfast burrito started.

And if you ate one, great.

If you got two, I think you got your pitcher on the wall.

so it's cool that you worked over there at do OG that's awesome.

And so you went from ski racing into, would you say extreme skiing?

Yeah, that's kind of the most general term, that people somewhat understand.

Mm-hmm we also call it free speeding now.

but essentially it's, it's making your way down a mountain in, in the natural environment.

and in terms of competition, you're judged on seven different criteria versus ski racing where it's only whoever is the fastest.

And so for a creative like myself, it was a much better fit.

I could actually take my own line down the mountain and really.

make it my own.

Good for you.

Yeah.

And what's the biggest drop that you have landed?

there's a couple, in the Jackson hole back country scheme for TGR, the, you know, right out, out of bounds, there's the, what's it called?

I have mom brain right now.

So, forgive me, it's the, we call it the cave air cardiac cave.

up until I hit that there had been no females that had done it.

It's a double drop, probably 60 footer over this giant cave.

and that was pretty fun to stomp on at that time.

I was really asking for.

legitimate skis for as a female.

And, I had a ski sponsor and the only skis that, that were in my size were these flimsy female park skis, just really low quality.

And As much as I, I asked, was ignored and, and told that for in general, women didn't wanna charge as skiers and they were on the mountain for the fashion contest and for lunch these are a bunch of French, you know, companies where a lot of the ski brands started and, And so I figured I would just charge harder to show that we did exist.

Women did wanna be out there charging just as hard as the guys and, that we needed the right kind of equipment.

so I had to train like even harder to, just be perfectly centered on these slim zoo park skis that I was given.

and same thing.

then I went to hit the next year.

people call it fat bastard in the Jackson hole back country.

That was probably a 70 footer.

And, again, I was asking for hard charging skis that could actually handle, An impact like that and ended up having to rent men's skis from the rental shop that morning to, to try to have something that that could handle it.

yeah, so it's kind of been my mission to, to show that there are lots of women that, that want to really get out there in a, in a big mountain way.

And ever since then, it's, things have really shifted, which is

really.

And it's you, you're saying it's now shifted to where some of these ski manufacturers are making appropriate skis for women who are yeah.

As at the level of skiing that you are.

Yeah.

And, and there's lots of us, they're finally recognizing that 40% of all skiers are female and that women make up, 80% of the household.

Decisions in terms of, of spending and that, were not dumb , you know, it used to be, women just, just shrink it and pink.

It was, was the term, that women didn't really need, hard charging skis because they weren't getting after it in the same way.

And they, they were all intermediate, which is, their finally understanding is absolutely not true.

And so, yeah, Now female skis are just at the same level, that guys are, and, and even statistically they're finding that women want the highest quality, maybe just a different graphic.

So, that's, that's certainly is ski for Fisher now, and that is, that's what we do.

we've made gender lists just a different, uh, different color.

Good for you guys, way to

go.

And also guys deserve pink, you know?

So, they're a lot that this pink ski that we made, it's just a beautiful ski.

All the guys wanna be on it as well.

So it's pretty fun.

my I'm kind of a tight wa and.

My first and only back country, SC set of skis

were, you're not a tight one.

You're a dad.

So everything goes to your kids.

yeah, well, it was before kids.

I bought a back country ski setup and they're on Jills.

they were over at Teton mountain airing and, they were still in the rapper not drilled.

And I was like, that's the height I need.

I'll ski on those.

I

love it.

I love that story.

We need more stories like that.

Yeah, totally.

Mm-hmm

now Lindsay.

You have also gotten into being an entrepreneur.

you've started a nonprofit as well, and you have a podcast and you ver you have a passion for creating wildlife corridors.

Now you're a mom.

So your life just got, that's amplified.

You're a mom as far as being busy there.

Yeah.

I I'd love for you to share with, with folks, what you're doing with your nonprofit organization and, and give us the name of it and, and how this came about for making an impact that you're doing.

Yeah.

So.

Around.

I was about 21, my best friend, Vanessa and I were on this magical road trip up to Canada.

And, we were on our way to go, try to learn back flips, on the glacier up there.

And Vanessa was, she had been the collegiate captain of her soccer team.

She was one of the best soccer players in the country.

And, I was always.

less than great soccer player, but loved it.

loved the camaraderie, loved the sisterhood.

And we were just talking about how, how we missed that team atmosphere that, that camaraderie between women, and, and how competitive, Skiing is obviously an individual sport in, in terms of competition and certainly at the pro level.

it it's always been there's room for one girl, right?

One girl in the movie or one girl on the, on the team.

And so it, it sets up a highly competitive.

kind of ruthless environment in some, in some ways.

And, and we were looking to break that down and to make women feel more welcome on, on the mountains as they are versus, you know, the, the way media shares.

Imagery of women.

It's either a sex symbol ski bunny at the bottom, or you've gotta compete directly with men and kind of be a man.

Right.

And that was the path that I kind of chose was in order to build respect.

I needed to compete directly with the guys.

And luckily that's that's, I think that's really changing now, at the time though.

We really wanted to grow our sport and to create that comradery in a safe place to play in the mountains versus having to be competitive and, uh, and create sisterhood and, and make it a more welcoming, inclusive environment.

So that was, the, the mission, the goal when we first started it and now it has expanded to be, certainly NA national and international.

And we've so many programs for girls ages six to 18, that expand far beyond skiing.

And our mission is still to be inclusive.

and a lot of programming now to.

Women of color out and lots of scholarships and, and programming.

I would say our most popular program that, that just sells out instantly is, this is such a great story cause it's, it was really created by one of, one of the little girls that was coming up through the program.

is junior ski patrol.

she was looking at a female ski patroller and wanted to learn from a female, because she was thinking maybe that's what she would be when she grew up.

And so we have this program that's all over the country, where girls are broken up into, different age groups and then brought through different.

Sort of workshop environments all led by female ski instructors, everything from, rescue situations and, and driving the toboggan with, with other six year olds in them to, CPR training and how to, how to splint something to, learning how to use.

our beacons and the I'd say that the most popular part is there's always like the dog training, right?

The, the rescue dogs.

So girls really love that.

And we find that the, the men will often dress up in unicorn costumes and ski around the mountain offering hot chocolate.

So it's a really fun way for girls to get exposed to the mountain and play and.

Exposed to female mentors, but yeah, the programming expands to now fly fishing and bike camps.

And, it's really, it's really come a long way.

I have, kind of focused more on wildlife right now and to make room for more diversity on our board.

So, it's kind of taken off that way now, which is really cool to see.

So you've moved off of the board after starting the organiz.

Yeah, we, we have term limits.

And so, yeah, so it is, gotta make space for, to see where it's growing into.

It's kind of like my baby's kind of growing into her own and it's time to set her free yeah.

You had the vision, you helped build it and create it.

And

it definitely feels like a first born for sure.

I bet.

I bet.

So

yeah.

So, so it's great to see that, she really is on her own two feet now and, and doing good things in the world.

And I do want to learn more.

Creating wildlife corridors.

How that's your new passion?

But

before we get to, it's not necessarily new.

It's, it's just one of those that, I think we all kind of, oh no, no.

Sorry.

It's just.

There's those things that we're called to early, maybe in life and, and we're either told, or we tell ourselves that, oh, I could never do that.

that's too big.

Like I could never, I could never have an impact in that way.

So for, for really, it's, it's kind of coming back to this, this big audacious challenge that, I didn't think that I had, I, I, I could, I had the power to change at third grade when, when, um, I really felt this first calling.

I'm curious to know during your path of you being a professional athlete in, in sports in general, but certainly a sport where women were not provided the recognition and the respect, especially having the same, tools to use the same gear.

How did that make you feel running into those barriers?

And then how did it make you feel that once when somebody finally listened to you and, and they said, yes, you're right.

And we're gonna support you.

To get you and other women, the stuff that you need,

what's funny is it just happened this year.

I've been a professional for like 15 years.

And this last winter was the first time that, and it wasn't that someone was saying, we're gonna listen to you.

It was someone saying, we've actually looked at the data of what the majority of.

women at the highest level, what they're on.

So they were just finally looking at the statistics.

it wasn't, it wasn't listening to me.

And, so it just kind of is just coming to be, how did it make me feel?

I mean, I think there's always been.

another kind of turning point this year has been the first since having this baby is the first time in my life where I felt like, oh, maybe women are a superior species.

Otherwise I think we're sort of conditioned to believe from a young age that you're at a disadvantage in every way as a woman, in, in this world that we exist in.

And, there's an element of, I guess, The other thing as a young girl, you, you learn very quickly that your value, has to do with how you look, again, in a patriarchal society.

And so it's something you're born with, or you're not.

otherwise, if you are not the equivalent of beauty, you, you can feel like you don't exist invisible.

And I think skiing allowed me to, Because you're all covered up.

It was the one place that I could be judged the same as, as a guy and often be, Mistaken for, for a guy.

And, if you talk to women that is like skiers, especially that is such a, an honor to, to be mistaken as a skier for, for that.

And there's a sense of power that comes along with that, that I felt at, at a young age, that was, it was powerful.

and so it gave me a place to, to feel like I belonged and, could.

On the uneven playing field.

And, so it just made sense to keep following it.

Does that make any sense?

it, it does.

It makes a lot of sense.

And, and I'm still trying to get over the, what you said that it took 15 years of you being a pro skier and it wasn't your voice.

That changes.

It was data.

Yeah.

And.

How just how sad that is

that, uh, well, if you let yourself get caught up in that you, you don't get anywhere.

Right.

So I guess, yeah, very true.

So I just never let myself even go there because it's such an energy.

Suck that I wouldn't get anywhere.

there's so many sad things, you know, from heavy bullying, being from boys that were threatened at a young age, in, in elementary school or not elementary, elementary is great.

Like you said, that's when we know everything, we're the most confident in middle school, all the way through college, to, to dealing with like hate on the internet now, like.

I think that if you, if you let yourself go there, it will take you down.

And so, I think that's a practiced skill of where you're gonna put your energy.

well said.

Let's see,

well said otherwise you would just cry yourself into a

hole.

yeah.

and you know, where you put your energy is so important and you've done it on so many platforms.

Here.

And, I've interviewed somebody previously here in for Wyoming who they've been working on wildlife corridors.

Ooh.

Who is it as well?

well, you'll have to connect us as awesome.

Yeah, you're one it's through the, Jackson hole, wildlife Federation or conservation.

And it's one of 200 interviews.

I mean, you're, you're at like 2 0 3, 2 0 4 here.

it's, it's tough to keep, keep it all together.

My apologies, not to say that anyone is more important of who I've interviewed, but I will certainly connect you.

I'm sure we know each other.

I'm I bet you guys have met for sure.

are you doing work locally, regionally, nationally, internationally in, in that.

Right now I'm, I'm mostly trying to educate myself on what is it gonna take?

cuz it's such a foreign, you know, it's a, it's a pipe dream, right?

Just like the way making a movie was, where, just sort of learning how, how it works all the players, because it is so complicated.

You have to figure out how the states work and how the roadways work and all the groups that go along with that in.

The way, the way they, facilitate where, how money is spent and why , and then public opinion.

So really it's, it's been a lot of trying to learn the past several years, essentially.

I, in driving the past all the time to get to the ski mountain.

I've encountered so many wildlife that have lost their lives.

And, at one time there was a mama moose who I watched die over three days because the fishing game couldn't find her to put her out of her misery.

and her baby was there and there was nothing that I could do and I watched her die slowly.

And then I watched her baby, get hit on the road as well.

And I just made this promise that I, I would, I would figure out a way to do something about this.

And so it's been, um, a long process, like I said, of like, alright, I can't just jump in.

Think that I know anything about how this works.

I've just been really trying to meet the people who, who do know and, um, and figure out how I can best be of service with the skillset that I have, not being a lawyer, not being a, you know, working D O T and roadways.

So, you'll, you'll see some big pushes coming out soon, but, right now I'm still just, just being a humble.

Learner

well, thank you for learning to make a, such an important impact in the wildlife.

And

yeah, it's just crazy that people come here to see these special creatures and, they're lying dead on the side of the road on the way to these magical places.

And no one seems to notice or they do, but no one says anything.

So it's like in.

Well, we can certainly say until we have more wildlife corridors, few things drive the speed limit because there are animals on the road and put the phone down

well, yeah, the thing is that, there are studies that will, will that have proved that, speed limits don't change how people drive.

It's really.

This is, this is kind of some fascinating, statistics.

It's, it's really the engineering of the road.

Hmm.

people will go the speed that the road sort of dictates.

And, and so, That is an issue.

and just, but the truth is that, we just don't see them, certainly late at night, they're dark creatures and, and our roads are virtually impossible right now because our community has, has grown by like 25% in the last two years, even.

These creatures that are trying to get to water or to mating grounds, literally like can't cross the road.

And when they do they're, they're not making it because there are cars on them all the time.

So it's not necessarily speed limits.

All we know for sure is that overpasses and underpasses work a hundred percent and it's just a matter of implementing them, in, over, over the roads and making it a priority.

It's it's one of those things.

That's an easy fix.

We just have to do it.

A lot of things can be just an easy fix.

It's.

Finding well, yeah, exactly.

Like, global warming is, is, is this massive like, feeling like an, an overwhelming problem that doesn't have a, a solution per se and this one has a solution.

So, yeah, it's nice to try to focus on things that we feel like actually can be made

better.

Mm-hmm . Hey, Lindsay, we're gonna take a quick break to get a word from one of our sponsors, and then we're gonna be right back to talk more about you and some of the cool stuff you've been doing.

Cool.

Lindsay, welcome back.

I'm certainly en enjoying this conversation with you and, and learning more about you and your story.

And, I I'd like.

For you to share a little bit about, your business, you have unicorn picnic and that's trips and gear, and it, it seems though you don't stop thinking of stuff to keep your time occupied

well, I think most of us that live in this valley, as much as it might sound like I live some fancy luxurious life, we always have to be.

creating more opportunities to, to find a way to live here.

right.

And I think, one of the greatest things about living here is getting to share it with, with other people and also, share it in, in a respectful way, on behalf of the land and wildlife.

So I love showing people around certainly on the mountain, I'm guiding on the mountain and, and all the special places that make this place so special.

and whether it's, it's showing someone a plant that, has medicinal properties, to showing people where the wildlife are.

I, I love sharing this, the mountains with people, and I feel like a steward of that and a responsibility to share that responsibly, for certainly for people that are moving here and also visiting, so that we, we all take care of these places that we all.

Now you just touched on something that, I'm interested to learn more.

you're an athlete in the, in the world of skiing.

Mm-hmm and there's so many sports out there where you hear about the, a, the contracts that athletes or earning receiving But.

You know, adding to that, you just said that you gotta find a way to, you know, different opportunities to be able to live out here.

Where are skiing?

Yeah, on the right, right on the spectrum

of, we sort of conditioned to, to see baseball players or football players, and think that those are millionaires live in the glorious life.

and I, I somewhat love kind of.

The assumption that people make that I, that I'm like that in some way, there, there have been spheres that have probably made and snowboarders that, that even that live in our town that have made like real money, like in the millions, that is not so true for, on the ski side, You know, a, a lot of you might see people that call themselves sponsored.

but they're just getting a free pair of skis or a jacket here and there.

And that's a lot of how our industry works.

it is, it is so small.

It it's, it seems bigger than it is, but the truth is it's a community and, and people love skiing so much that they will do.

Pretty much anything to continue skiing.

And that, that is something that I committed myself to recognizing that, it put me in a flow state that I had never just was not like anything else.

And it was worth pursuing, with my life energy.

So, there's a lot of trade offs that, that you make in order to get the payoff.

And in this case, the payoff is the skiing, you know, And so it's different than a football player or a basketball player in that way that have these giant audiences, and.

I mean, to be straightforward, I made less than the last year, less than the poverty line in order to continue keeping being the outdoors as a priority.

And I still feel incredibly lucky to be, finding ways to, to pay the bills and, get to represent the outdoors, cuz that is what I'm here to do at and figuring it out along the.

Often comes as a surprise.

Most people think I'm just a spoiled rich white girl.

Yeah.

I'm I'm breathless.

I'm I'm speechless here to think that.

Of what you made last year mm-hmm to be able to enjoy your, your passion for the outdoors.

And, and would you say, so you said that, you know, some people say that they're sponsored, so they might just be getting the skis or the snowboard.

Is there a different level called being pro?

Yeah.

And that's like a, that's a mixed, it it's always mixed.

Right.

cuz people that call themselves pro Often are not okay.

You know, if you're bragging about it, there's probably a good chance.

You're not and at the same time, maybe it, yeah, just the industry has shifted a lot.

Right.

And especially in the, since the pandemic hit, so many businesses have really suffered, the supply chain has really suffered and, and, and even just the culture has shifted.

a lot of brands are tired of seeing white people representing the outdoors and are looking to, you know, it's, it's a bit odd, I think these days, but, You know, I've heard so many times in the last, couple years, you know, we you're, you're really talented, but we're really looking for a, a brown or black person and, in some ways that's great.

And other ways to me, that's even more, tokenizing, for, for people of color.

and in any case, it is what it is and yeah, sure.

Maybe the, the world has seen enough.

Smiling blonde blonde girls representing the outdoors.

And, it is what it is.

So, at the same time, like I said, supply chains have gone down.

So there is maybe less need for representation of pro athletes.

and, and influencers have kind of, taken over, uh, yeah, in the past couple years I've heard things.

Yeah.

We're, like I said, we're really looking for, if you were, if you were brown or black, we would love to have you, or, well, you're not quite, you don't, you don't put enough modeling imagery up.

cuz you know, as a female, if you, if you kind of sell your sexuality, you, you can get a bigger following and, and you're judged on, your.

Your Instagram following . So I've heard that I'm not modelly enough.

I've also heard that I'm not hardcore enough.

So, you know, you, things are shifting.

And like I said, the payout for me is skiing and being outside and I will always find a way to make that happen.

So,

um, and, and you'll get to teach your daughter how to

be outside.

Totally.

And, uh, so like I'm guiding these days.

I.

yeah, as, as you've called out, like just forced to be creative and I love being creative.

So I love that challenge.

I can see that you're up for any challenge.

the thing I'm just lucky to, to know what, what I'm passionate about and I I'm here to represent, the mountains and the, the water, and I'll do that, that.

That is an honor and I'll figure out a way to do that.

forever

now being a mom.

Now that you're a mom, mm-hmm , what's your thoughts of going off a 60 foot jump?

Yeah, this is something that I have, wrestled with.

I was standing at the top of the steepest line I've ever looked down.

Two years ago when I was finally like, all right, am I gonna make some space to, to create life on this planet?

And, and just really asking myself, like, can, can this be the last, the last time that I put myself in, in such a dangerous situation for my own, seeking of, can I do it?

and, it, I didn't, I, I skied the line and I just wanted more, and.

So I'm wrestling with that right now, actually, since being pregnant, which was really difficult because I, I couldn't be as active as I'm used to being.

That was really challenging.

And, and.

I I'm chomping to get after it even more than I ever was, uh, which is a surprise.

I was sort of assuming that I would get over it and want something different.

If anything, though, I am more committed, I'm more, focused, more grounded in who I am and what I'm here to do and be, which feels actually really nice.

and so.

I'm still wrestling with, you know, how much D how much danger is it okay to put myself in now that I, um, something else is more important in my life than my own, curiosity and where I'm at with that is anything I've I've done.

Even to this point, I trained and prepared so much for it so much more than people would ever imagine.

I wouldn't have stepped up to it.

If I wanted, wasn't a hundred percent sure that I was going to deliver and that I was going to, stop the landing.

And so, and statistically, even I've researched this, women in general, They won't step up for a big promotion, even UN unless they, they think that they have a hundred percent of the qualifications as where a man will step up for that same, promotion or challenge when he thinks he has 50%.

and, and this all goes back to chemicals.

I've done a Ted talk on it's so fascinating, around risk taking.

And so when I think of the cliffs that are still calling me, I know that I will and I, and I am, I'm studying them and preparing for them and I will be 120% ready, to do that responsibly when the opportunity comes.

So that's kind of how I'm looking at it.

I was not aware of that.

Yeah, it's fascinating about the chemical.

And you said that you did a Ted talk on risk taking.

Yeah.

I just did a lot of this research onto finding, you know, skiing with female clients and male clients and seeing over and over how a woman will let you know all of her faults straight out the, out the door.

Oh, well, I'm not good at this.

And I'm, I'm not good at this.

And well, I, I could never go.

He skiing and, and her husband.

Will tell me about how great he is and how he, he's got this.

And, and then you'll take them skiing and she will surprise you almost every time.

and I saw this over and over and saw it in myself as well, and started just doing the research of what is this about and, and yeah, dumbing it down.

it does go back to chemicals.

E even as a young girl, young girls are.

Congratulated and, and patted on the back, over and over for being good and, and, getting the teacher's approval for sitting quietly in class.

And so we learn at a young age that we're really looking for that outside approval and to be perfect.

and if we, if we make a mistake, we really take it hard and equally little boys at that same age are getting in trouble over and over and over because they can't sit.

Sit in class.

Right?

And so they are learning at a young age that it's okay to get in trouble and to be imperfect over and over and to, to keep sort of testing boundaries.

And essentially that turns into, women turn into people, pleasers and, and men, happen to be bigger risk takers in,

well, I know for a fact that you are much bigger risk taker than.

Well, what I'm trying to do is really fight that, to be honest, I'm still very much a people pleaser and, and recognize it.

And I, I, and a perfectionist and all these things.

and I'm really trying to be conscious about stepping up to two bigger risks, just knowing this, on a, you know, a men in a mental way.

And, and it's really hard.

and I guess that if I had a message, it would be, that is just, what is the biggest thing you can think of now, like times it by 20 and imagine what that could be.

Cause I think our, our biggest hindrance is.

Is not putting a potential goal out there.

That's big enough for how capable we truly are.

in these bodies, in this lifetime, we're always told about all the risks and all of the, all the things that could go wrong.

And so we tend to focus on those and, and set out for small goals.

when the mountains have really taught me that.

We really are here to, to break limits and we can, once we allow ourselves to imagine that we could mm-hmm so

yeah, well, Lindsey, I am inspired by who you are and what you're doing, and now being a mom, You will be a, a wonderful, influence to your, to your daughter and any other children that you decide to have in the future.

Yeah.

We've gotta get kids outside and off of screens.

So I'm working on that as well, or, you know, how can screens actually help get kids outside if we, if they're here for good, um, that's something I'm working on as well.

We, uh, we give our children very limited, very strict and limited amount of screen time.

So I'm so glad.

I think that's important.

They are not on the screen that much.

They're given two days a week where they're in the summertime.

We give 'em a little bit more just because it's not so much school, but even then they don't get that much time on screen.

Good for screen

your dad.

and it's really important when you hear people, you know, the, the leaders of these big tech industries that don't let their kids have screen time that really shows you

yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

as well as the EMF phrase that are coming from all of our phones, that, that influence kids and, and young developing brains more than more than we know.

So I'm trying to keep mine away from my little baby too.

Hey, kids can still play with rocks and sticks.

And have build a phenomenal

imagination.

Absolutely.

And that's what they're made to do.

Yeah, that's right.

So Lynsey, if people want to reach out and connect with you, what is a way that, you would like them to do that?

Yeah.

Unicorn picnic is my, my website.

we offer I'm an artist too, so we offer gear for getting outside and, and doing it in a lighthearted.

Way playful way.

and yeah, so unicorn picnic.com and then, on Instagram, I'm Lindsay Dyer, L Y N S E Y Dyer, D Y E R.

I'm really active there.

Love filmmaking and, and getting outside and all the different ways you can, whether it's lake life or mountain life.

Well, en enjoy raising a daughter.

Who's gonna appreciate.

the life of being outdoors.

Thank you so much and enjoy your journey of being a mom and, challenging yourself.

And, I wish I, I appreciate you so much for being an advocate for, for women in sports, for women in the outdoors.

And just helping women realize their potential.

that's, that's beautiful.

Thank you for doing

it.

I, I, I feel like I it's my responsibility, so thank you for recognizing it and anyone listening.

Congratulations.

If you're, live in the dream, which is to live in Jackson hole.

Woo, woo.

Yeah, we really made it.

We all really have if we're here and, I look forward to helping, as a community take care of our, our kids and.

And our community and our wildlife

that's very kind of you, very thoughtful.

Mm-hmm thank you, Lindsay, go enjoy being a mom for the rest of the day and, we'll see you around soon and I'm gonna check out your.

Ted X talk.

this evening, I'm gonna let the boys watch it.

That I'm gonna let 'em watch.

Well, the one I was talking about is not, not online.

That's a different one, but, but yeah, just that you, you should look it up just because it's a fascinating thing to, to learn about.

Okay.

All right.

Have a great afternoon.

You too, Lindsay.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

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