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#272: Finding Gratitude in Life’s Challenges: How Remmy's Childhood Cancer Became the Catalyst for a Life Well Lived
19th March 2024 • Inspirational & Motivational Stories of Grit, Grace, & Inspiration • Kevin Lowe, Inspirational Speaker & Transformational Coach
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Experience an inspiring journey of resilience, gratitude, and the transformative power of giving back – all brought to you from the perspective of a childhood cancer survivor turned big game horseback guide to now author and advocate. This incredible person is none other than Remmy Stourac!

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Remmy Stourac's story is a powerful testament to resilience, gratitude, and adventure. You are about to be transported from the heartwarming story of the life-changing experiences had at Kids Cancer Care Camp in Alberta, Canada to the wild and adventurous tales from deep in the middle of the Canadian forest.


The conversation begins with Remmy sharing his remarkable journey as a leukemia survivor who found joy and camaraderie among other children facing similar battles. We learn where Remmy's drive for giving back, fighting to overcome adversity, and determination to never pass on an opportunity to experience life to the fullest comes from.


We then switch gears from talking about Remmy's experience both as a child at Kids Cancer Care and then as a camp counselor to his thrilling adventures as a horseback guide with his two brothers. We hear the extreme storeies of how Remmy was almost eaten by a pack of hungry wolves while alone in the woods for 5-days, fearing his brothers were dead. We hear how he escaped the pending dume of being attacked by a massive grizzly bear. And we unexpectedly learn when and how Remmy began to become an author.


KEY TAKEAWAYS & EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

  • Paying it forward can take many forms, whether it's through small acts of kindness or dedicated charitable work.
  • Remmy Stourac's experiences at the Kids Cancer Care camp significantly shaped his outlook on life, highlighting the impact of such organizations.
  • Tragedy and hardship can be catalysts for profound personal development and a commitment to helping others, if you are willing to look at life through a different lens.
  • Adventure and connection to the natural world can foster a unique perspective on life and be an excellent teacher in helping us to discover more about ourselves.
  • Writing and sharing one's story can be a mechanism for healing, gratitude, and supporting causes close to one's heart.


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0:00:35 - (Kevin Lowe): Today we're talking about paying it forward, but in a whole different sense, because today's guest, Remy Storak, he has dedicated part of his life to paying it forward to kids cancer care of Alberta, Canada. As a child, Remy was there. He got to experience this camp, and it was transformational. Matter of fact, Remy says that having cancer and going through three different heart procedures as a kid was the best thing to happen to him because of kids'cancer care.

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0:01:53 - (Kevin Lowe): Because Remy, well, we're not only talking about kids cancer care, we're also talking about him being a big game horseback guide in the middle of nowhere with his two brothers. The adventure stories you are about to hear are going to leave you in awe, my friend. I'm telling you what if you're up for a sense of adventure, if you're up for also a heartfelt story about a kid, about a man who is now giving back, who is paying it forward, then, my goodness, this is the episode for you, my friend. I welcome you to episode 272.

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0:04:28 - (Remmy Stourac): It wasn't until I was 20 years old that my mom was able to give me the full gravity of the situation. But I get to tell people that cancer was the best thing that ever happened to me. But at the age of four, I was diagnosed with leukemia. And now I understand it to be that by the time I was diagnosed, my bloodstream was about 90% cancer cells and I had 24 hours to get a blood transfusion or I would have died.

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0:05:16 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Wow. Now, growing up, did you have any brothers or sisters?

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0:05:26 - (Kevin Lowe): Okay. During that time and stuff, just out of my own curiosity and stuff, were they a big help to you? Just comforting and being there with you?

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0:05:52 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah.

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0:06:10 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Amazing. Well, talk to me about kids cancer center, because that's a big part of your story, and I'm curious to understand what exactly it is and where it kind of fit into this story of yours.

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0:07:01 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. I got to go to this camp for five days and be among other survivors like my, I get to say some of my great friends growing up were double brain tumor survivors, amputees, blind, and they're the happiest people I've ever met. And so to have this camaraderie of people who are kind of, like, celebrating their scars and realizing, like, oh, I have a variety of different gifts that have been given to my life and the resilience that comes with it. And so it allowed a place for us to shift the narrative and for us to go and scrape our knees again after we've had the safety bubble on our life. Right.

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0:08:19 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. To just redefine our lives little bit by bit, that place just became a home of miracles for us.

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0:08:28 - (Remmy Stourac): So I am still about the most veteran kid because I started as young as I could at age seven, went all the way to 17, and then became a full time counselor, and we'll get to the story later. I only ever missed three summers to be a big game horseback guide, but now I've been going back every single summer as an adult to teach future counselors. So I have, like, 17 years in that place.

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0:08:53 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah, it's incredible.

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0:09:01 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah, that's right. Just five days in the summer. And then as soon as we were growing up, where we could finally have two weeks as 17 year olds and then two months as an adult, I was like, man, I'm so prepared to work ten months a year just so I can volunteer two months. This place has so much magic hiding in it that it was a sacrifice I was willing to make.

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0:09:30 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. So I'm definitely the OD one out in that sense. I still have some childhood friends who have now finally come back around to volunteering again. And it's funny because so many people say, oh, I don't have enough money to take a week off to do that. And it's like, dude, spiritually, I don't know if you can afford not to. We got to get our childhood back.

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0:09:56 - (Remmy Stourac): But to have some friends that I've known since I was ten to come up and just kind of watch the childhood get back into their bones and see how good they are again, just to be the most rowdy kid in the room and then be like, oh, if the adults. If this is a version of maturity that exists that gives so much hope to the kids on their way up, they're like, oh, we don't have to be hardened adults. As soon as we get into the real world, we can move forward into life with this composure that's playful and that's, like, one of the biggest things that I advocate for.

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0:10:47 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. The most pivotal story, for sure, especially as a young kid. So when we're seven, of course, we don't have Facebook or anything. We're frantically giving each other our mom's phone number so we can end up at the same week of camp. The following year, I remember being twelve years old, and there was, I think, seven or eight of us, and we're all coming. It's like, oh, we're here again. We waited a whole year to be back to this place, and we're all looking around, but there was only one friend missing who was Davis.

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0:11:43 - (Remmy Stourac): I think the best thing moving forward is that we have to be twice as courageous in life because Davis doesn't get the chance to be courageous anymore. And so that was a promise that we made to each other, and that just amplified the way that we've moved forward in life. And there's definitely been times that we check back on some of these friends, and some of them are musicians now and stuff, and entering in these creative careers, and they're like, yeah, man, it scared the crap out of me, but we got to do it. What else is there to it?

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0:12:24 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, I can't help but think to myself, like, how profound for a bunch of kids who, when you look back at it now, to realize the magnitude of that situation and then to have the resolve to be like, let's go all out because he's not here. Yeah, that's powerful. At some point in time, I'm assuming it's when you had missed a couple of years going to camp. Is that when you took off on some crazy adventure with your brothers?

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0:13:31 - (Remmy Stourac): Where I had been the insecure kid who was crying at night because I was homesick, and the 13 year old kids who don't really have their hygiene figured out, but they're falling in love for the first time. I could just appreciate the entire spectrum of it. But I was like, man, I can't imagine anything ever taking me away from this place. Right?

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0:13:50 - (Remmy Stourac): But my two older brothers, they'd even experienced camp as well, but they had worked their way up the hunting guiding industry all through Alberta, BC, the Yukon, Northwest Territories with their summers afterwards. And they ended up getting this wonderful reputation. And one of the best hunting outfits in North America ended up reaching out to them and asked if they wanted to bring horses back into the northwest Territories because 40 years ago, four guys tried to do that.

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0:14:54 - (Remmy Stourac): And so my brothers are like, let's make it a family thing. I'm like, man, I was like, it broke my heart, but I was like, the call to adventure, man. I made this promise as a little kid. I'm like, it'd be crazy if I didn't.

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0:15:12 - (Remmy Stourac): Lo and behold, the adventure happened.

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0:15:27 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. So there's been many evolutions of how that affected my life afterwards because I initially had a fair amount of resentment, actually, that this wonderful situation was happening and we were literally handed a map and good luck on our way into the wilderness. And so it's not like there was Google maps through the marshes. And so the first couple of days, we were literally just like, our horses were swimming through the bog and I ended up getting this terrible knee injury because my horse fell through the earth and was, like, swimming forward and the three horses that I was trailing behind got spooked. And so I was kind of stretched out between holding my horses and my horses fell sideways and my knee got wrapped around the stump. And basically pulled my kneecap off.

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0:16:53 - (Remmy Stourac): And it was just really, like, tearing at my heart for a while. And it kind of just came to the point where I was praying, where I had nothing but God to talk to, to resonate. Because even though my brothers had experienced kids cancer care, this was their passion. And so they're kind of like, it's time to grow up, right? I was like, man, it's not that they didn't quite understand how special that place was for me. So I was praying one night, and I'm like, God, how can I break my arm or my leg in the least painful way so I can go be of service again? Because I just feel like this is absolutely not for me.

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0:18:09 - (Remmy Stourac): And so I'm like, okay, I think it's time to read this book.

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0:18:14 - (Remmy Stourac): I can't remember exactly what it was in the book, but it just, like, the accumulation of things that had brought me to that moment, I just realized, okay, God, I didn't come here to die. I didn't come here to look for opportunities to hurt myself, to leave. I'm like, if you're going to bring me to it, you're going to bring me through it. And so I came to all these situations, the wrangles that I did every morning, I would just take up my shotgun and I would walk through rivers and bump into grizzly bears and have these standoffs. And luckily, I never had to kill one in self defense, but I was surrounded by wolves in the middle of the night, which I'll get to another time, swept down glacier rivers. And it's just like, if it wasn't for that total shift of mentality that if God's going to bring me through it, he'll get me through it. And it was just a total shift of gratitude.

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0:19:08 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, you know what? That's a really powerful mindset. And I think that's something, honestly, that all of us need to be reminded of, is sometimes it's like we work so hard to get where we are, and then things maybe don't go quite the way we want, and we hope and we pray to be out of it and to be somewhere else. And there's something to be said for just embracing the moment, whether it's good or bad.

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0:20:02 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. Well, before we continue on learning more about this crazy adventure journey, I was kind of curious. Your faith, was that something that was always part of you or developed later on?

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0:21:47 - (Remmy Stourac): I would be complaining about something, right? I'm like, man, this is a bad friendship, let alone a relationship with my creator. Right?

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0:21:56 - (Remmy Stourac): That's actually the perfect question because specifically because I felt guilty that I had ruined and gotten complacent with the best relationship that I had ever grown, as far as I'm concerned. I'm like, that's why I wanted to go back into the wilderness for around two to renew my relationship with my spirituality, because I just started walking as if I had earned the goodness in my life, and it started to build an ego that was really improper. And so I'm like, I got to go humble myself again and get God back, in a sense.

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0:22:46 - (Remmy Stourac): Oh, yeah. No, man. We were there off grid for 110 days at a time, nearly four months.

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0:22:58 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah, it is. And to go in when the sun is, like, we were so far close to the arctic circle that the sun did not set for the first month and a half up there. And so we would get a tiny bit of shade at 03:00 a.m. When the sun dipped behind a mountain, if we were lucky, if we were positioned properly. But it would be 30 degrees or 85 degrees at 330 in the morning. Like, we couldn't sleep. We would get roasted out of our tents in the last month. It would be below freezing every morning. We'd be slapping snow off of our tent in the middle of the night so it didn't cave in on us. Like, we just had little two man tents because everything had to be carried on our horse's backs. Right. We couldn't have anything luxurious.

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0:23:47 - (Remmy Stourac): Between us three brothers, we had 14.

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0:23:53 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. So that was actually a really wonderful thing because this is kind of a gnarly detail. But there was neighboring outfits in the Yukon that weren't nearly as far into the wilderness, maybe 300 km instead of 500. So still a crazy jaund in. But there is a reputation that the way through the marsh into the wilderness was so bad that we had to kind of account for the possibility of casualties along the way. Right. And there was like, of course, nobody wants that.

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0:24:51 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah, absolutely. So on this adventure, we've realized now it's not just like you're out there for a weekend. We're talking extended amount of time. Talk to me through some of your most memorable moments. Whether because they were scary, because they were amazing. I'm just kind of curious to learn some more details.

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0:25:57 - (Remmy Stourac): And so overnight we would let them go. We have bells on their neck, but I would have to track them by their footprints in the ground and by the poop that they leave behind. And I would just walk into the wilderness and find out where they were.

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0:26:10 - (Remmy Stourac): But if we had few enough hunters, then we could keep two horses in. So they'd always need a buddy, otherwise they would get afraid. So I had boots and blue who would stay in and I would hop on boots in the morning, and we would ride off into the wilderness. And I was trusting boots before I understood that he wasn't as smart as I realized. And he ended up trailing me through willows, and he was galloping, man. I was pulling back as hard as I could, but his head was down. He was so sure that he was finding his buddies, but he was following caribou tracks for 20 minutes and we ended up in the middle of the valley.

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0:27:19 - (Remmy Stourac): And so I was basically doing extra work just to pull the horse out. And so there's literally the opposite of every point of having this wrangle horse. But as soon as I found a track, I pulled the horse's face down into the ground to make him look at it, and he got all excited and I hopped into the saddle and I got my shotgun, like, slapping across my back as he's, like, trotting away. And I'm kind of, like, getting used to it because I know I'm going to be trotting for a while.

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0:28:15 - (Remmy Stourac): And so boots is trying to yank me and I'm, like, just gasping for air. And I'm just holding onto the reins with my left hand as this horse is, like, dragging me on the ground. I'm like, oh, my God, this is still before seven in the morning and all this crap is happening. I'm like, this is an unbelievable day. But lo and behold, I ended up finding horses, like, ten minutes after. But that was like a day in the life, man.

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0:28:42 - (Kevin Lowe): Wow. And we all thought being a cowboy was sexy.

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0:29:04 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That is hysterical. So that's a funny story. What about a scary story?

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0:29:15 - (Kevin Lowe): Oh, okay, now we're getting deep.

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0:29:51 - (Remmy Stourac): And so we were looking for one and we ended up climbing a hill. And we watched hundreds walk by and we're like, wow, what do we do with that? And so we're like, oh, my God. Same time next year. Let's go. And so we did that. And as it should have been, winter did not come in August. And so me and my eldest brother, it was just the two of us because we only had one hunter. And so our middle brother, Lauren, actually got to go off in the bush plane and he got to go backpack elsewhere and he got to change of scenery, which was really cool. So it was just me and the one brother for this situation.

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0:31:23 - (Remmy Stourac): And so I was like, absolutely, I'll take three days off. He said, yeah, I'll be back in three days, I promise. And so I'm like just taking it in, sleeping in a little bit until seven in the morning because I still got to get my horses. But it was day two of this break and I was sitting around the fire for dinner. I was just like, I cooked caribou steaks over the fire and I'm just enjoying life. Reading Game of Thrones. I carried this book 500 km just to have something to relax to.

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0:32:20 - (Remmy Stourac): And so it's just like kind of taking it in and I got my shotgun there. And so I'm saying like screaming bloody murder, like, do something if you're going to come, come now while I have the upper hand and you're going to have to run through this river on your way to charge me. But I'm standing up like shotgun ready, like it's in my sights. But this bear is standing on its back legs and it's looking all around at my horses. My horses are looking at it and it doesn't even look at me while I'm screaming at it. And it gets back on four legs and walks off and I'm like, that's way scarier.

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0:33:20 - (Remmy Stourac): And so the horses knew that this grizzly wanted to come back. And so as soon as I let them go, I just hear their bells ding, ding, ding into the distance. And I'm like, am I actually alone now? In the first time in the wilderness, I'm like, I've done wrangles alone. But at this moment, I was like, okay, now there's actually something that is stalking me.

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0:33:39 - (Remmy Stourac): And so I had everything ready to, like, a big bonfire set up, and so it dwindled overnight, but just to be able to flick it and have everything light up, and I went to bed with my headlamp on my head, ready to rock and roll. And it wasn't until 02:00 a.m. That I finally fell asleep. I ended up waking up at 440. I remember still pitch black, but I thought I was having this nightmare where there was, like, wolves howling and yapping, and I tried to close my eyes because I'm like, I'm waiting for a bear, but it was so loud that it was screeching in my ear. And I'm like, oh, shit, they're circling me.

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0:34:46 - (Remmy Stourac): And I'm just thinking, Ben's never going to believe this. He's never going to believe this. And the sun starts to rise, like, about 40 minutes afterwards. And instead of following my horse tracks, I ended up following the wolf tracks on top of the horses, and they had ended up harassing my horses. None of them were hurt, thankfully, but they were pretty pissed off. I was like, me too. Let's go. Ben's coming back today.

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0:35:23 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah.

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0:35:46 - (Remmy Stourac): And it's not like it was crazy weather or anything as far as I was concerned. I'm like, he's not pinned down in a blizzard, right? And so, yeah, mom was like, man, he's got to be hurt. Hunters hurt, something. I was like, well, if there was like a medevac helicopter or something, I would probably hear it. Like, nothing else goes over these valleys, but nothing happened. And so I'm like, man, I just got to repeat this every night until he comes back. And so day 34567 go by, and my mind is just worst case scenario.

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0:36:40 - (Kevin Lowe): Oh, wow.

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0:37:12 - (Remmy Stourac): And so in that time to keep my head on straight, I ended up starting to write the initial ideas that became the first fantasy books that I wrote, and that kind of brought me into the authorship world. And I wasn't a crazy reader or writer prior to, I was a total fraud, but it was kind of like just a desperate attempt to keep my head on straight, but it was something that just really just seeped into my bones. I'm like, this is something I'm going to do.

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0:37:58 - (Kevin Lowe): Yeah.

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0:38:06 - (Kevin Lowe): Wow. Again, I said profound, I think, several times in our conversation, and I'm going to say it again, because here you are in a situation. You have no idea if your brother's alive or dead. You've got packs of wolves swarming around you. You've now got two different grizzly bears potentially ready to eat you. I mean, you're walking around with food, your horses, and you think to yourself, I want to write a book. I want to donate 10% to the kids cancer care.

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0:38:48 - (Remmy Stourac): It's a total trauma response. That's all it is.

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0:39:10 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. So I can fast forward a little bit here. So we did a second season, and I ended up doing a third, and this is as far as I consider. I kind of call it like a divine intervention, because, again, I kind of lost my gratitude, and I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll go into the wilderness so I can have space to write my book again. And I kind of was almost cheaping out on doing the hard work and just sitting down and doing what I set my spirit to do. Right. But it's like, oh, no, I got this paycheck, and I'm this horseback guy, and I'm enjoying time with my friends like I've earned it, and I'll do the hard work when I'm back into the wilderness, when I have no distractions.

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0:40:20 - (Remmy Stourac): And so my body was just burning calories that I couldn't keep up with. And I ended up losing a lot of weight and to the point where it didn't make sense for me to be walking around in bear country with a heart problem because if I passed out and my brothers aren't concerned for me to be gone for like 6 hours at a time before they get worried. So I was like, this is just not realistic, man. I need to go find out what's going on with my heart because this is the most confident I've been in this situation.

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0:41:32 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. That as far as I was concerned, I made it the meaning of like, okay, I believe God is closing this door so I can get my crap together and be the person that I said I was going to be and write this book. And so it sucked because I had to leave my brothers out there, and the two of them ended up managing and they ended up flying out a different wrangler to help. But there was nothing that a third guy could just get dropped in and be able to do the job that a brother could do, right?

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0:41:57 - (Remmy Stourac): And so they managed to do it, but, yeah, I had this guilt that I was like, man, I left them behind against my own will, but I have to do justice by them. And so I put my head down and I started writing this fantasy book. And a year and a half later, I wrote it, grimm's prodigies. And I went hard, man. I was like, I'll be the next George R. R. Martin. And I had, like, 63 named characters and family trees and a map built by the first two books in two years.

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0:42:51 - (Remmy Stourac): So I ended up finding this app called Shaper, which sadly, doesn't exist anymore, but it was basically tinder but for business people. Okay? And so I'm like, I need to find people who are in nonprofits and living the values that I knew at kids cancer care. I need to be surrounded by people who are being of service for the sake of itself, because I really felt like a black sheep trying to be some guy who didn't have much money, trying to give back and just live this life of servitude while everybody's just going to work and getting their money and going and getting wasted on the weekends. And I just kind of felt alone.

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0:44:10 - (Remmy Stourac): Like, these are people who are genuinely, finally are holistically well, and they're leading with humility and vulnerability. And that's the first time I saw men being truly vulnerable in front of people and to their wives. And so it just cracked open the paradigm that I previously had of my life. And if I'm like, if I wanted to write a book about gratitude, even my own family, not to speak ill of them, but they're like, who can relate to a cancer surviving horseback guide?

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0:45:12 - (Remmy Stourac): But your spirit to be like, God didn't bring me here to die. That's it. And there's a reason I came here and stuff, right? And I could pay that forward and that I'm doing the scary things because I'm paying it forward to my friend Davis and just little things like that. I could have a reason to complain and be like, yeah, the world is a dark, scary place, and don't do too much because you'll get your butt kicked, right? But it's like, no, that's why it's exciting.

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0:46:09 - (Remmy Stourac): And so that became like a war cry that I've been living my life for. For the last five years now.

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0:46:23 - (Remmy Stourac): It is an arsenal of gratitude. Waging war on mediocrity and regret.

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0:46:33 - (Remmy Stourac): Yeah. And that's a great question because I could say playing video games and stuff, but I'm like, I play video games. I don't guilt myself for that. Right. There's a cultural conversation that says what a mediocre thing could be, but at the end of the day, it's like you can have simple pleasures that you enjoy and you relax with, but at the end of the day, do you respect yourself? Do you love the person you fundamentally are, or do you feel like you are a great friend to the people in front of you?

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0:47:32 - (Remmy Stourac): Right. And so for the people that are bitching and moaning, it's like, that's also choice. And so when I have these friends who grew up and they had every reason in the world to bitch and moan about their experience, they chose not to. And so to have perfectly healthy adults that have chosen to become a victim, I don't take that upon myself, but I just live in such a way where I believe that to be such an audacity that they will look upon me and be like, wow, things are actually pretty good.

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0:48:27 - (Remmy Stourac): Watch me. And just to realign the vision of your life. We're all visionaries. We just don't act like it. Right? It's like, despite these reasons that I have to play small, that's why my story is awesome, that I don't act that way.

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0:48:55 - (Remmy Stourac): Is that right? Yeah, I do it between all of them. Okay. And it's just, like, between my speaking gigs and everything that's come along the way, too. And I just got to say, on that note, it's so evident, too, the way that you speak. And as your brain tumor has brought you to this place of you've lost your vision, but you embody that essence of striving forward valiantly and having these amazing conversations. And so I think you are a walking example of taking your pain and turning it into something powerful. So I just want to say thank you for that, too.

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0:49:54 - (Remmy Stourac): Absolutely, buddy.

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0:50:12 - (Remmy Stourac): I mean, I should have a straightforward answer because I've wrote a whole book trying to say exactly that. Right. But the conclusion that I came to is, this is kind of a spiritual answer in the sense of when people say, like, oh, I've transcended through my spirituality. I don't think we transcend. I think when we've actualized ourself as people, it's more of a homecoming to the person that we were fundamentally always capable of being.

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0:51:37 - (Remmy Stourac): And just take accountability. Be like, yes, I am proud, and I am happy, and I'm grateful that these people are in front of me, and this is the people that I get to bring into my atmosphere and overflow to, and these people get to overflow into me. And so that's kind of my version of living like you're dying.

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0:52:31 - (Kevin Lowe): And I thank you for being here.

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0:52:51 - (Kevin Lowe): Oh, thank you so much for you listening today. My hope, my prayer as always, is that you are not just entertained through this podcast, but something said by my guest truly impacts your life. And my hope also is that if something said today resonated with you and you think to yourself, man, you know what? I bet my friend would really like to hear this. I encourage you to share today's episode with that friend because, well, that's how we get to make the impact a little bit greater, my friend.

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