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326. Grow Nutrient Dense Food | Cultured Biologix | Tim McCormick | Westminster, CO
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Friday June 19, 2020

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We, you know, we were part of a conglomerate with about four other organic companies and, you know, each one kind of has the organic piece of the puzzle, you could say. So they do a lot of like, they take like the organic amendments you would put in your soil and they digest them ahead of time.

So when they put them in a bottle also, when you use them, you're using liquid digested, organic goodness. So every time you feed your plants, you're feeding them what would naturally be released in the soil? So it's like a really more innovative, what's a new, innovative way to do organic gardening, I guess, in a more context of who they are to us, their, our, our partner company, where they provide the, the liquid organic nutrients.

And we provide the, the easy to use complex to use to keep the soil broken down and healthy. And then in cycling all the nutrients and making them available for the plants...

This is perfect. Did you get the email? Yes. Okay. So I'll just introduce you and we'll go from there before you drop any more golden seeds that listeners are going to want to hear. Okay, cool. Welcome to the green organic gardener podcast.

Today. It is Friday, June 19th, 2020.

And I have someone on the line who I think we're going to really enjoy learning about. They have a, kind of a new green business that they're going to tell us a little about, and also like how you can have better results in your gardens.

So it's Cultured Biologix, Is that right, Tim? Yes. Yes, it is. Okay. And I'm not even sure. I know your last name, so welcome to the green organic gardener podcast. Well, I'm glad you're here. So go ahead and tell us there's a little bit about yourself.

Yeah, sure. So I'm the president of a company called Cultured Biologix. We make really good organic microbial, fertilizers, natural pesticides, you know, taking essential oils that are harmless to you, me, your dogs, you know, everything good in nature, but you know, detrimental to a lot of the pests that we experienced in our garden. So we started about three years ago.

We've been growing pretty steadily here in Colorado. So, you know, originally we kind of started off in the cannabis hemp seed, and now we're kind of moving into home, home and garden kind of teaching people about, you know, the new ways to, to garden organically.

Okay. Well, I kind of always start out my show asking you about your very first garden experience, like where you were a kid, were you an adult? Was it recently, or like, what'd you grow? Who were you with?

 But I've been very fortunate to have a mother that's been a horticulturalist for 35 years. So take your child to work day was to take, take Tim to the, to the greenhouse and have them water plants and pick off bugs. And that leaves up off the plants. So I've been, I've been doing it for most of my life. 29 year olds, 29 years old now. So I've been gardening good 20 years of my life. First gardening experience was probably my backyard with my, with my mom, helping her do annual prenup flowers.

That's been her real big thing. So just kind of grew up with it and just kind of involved with, with just probably every, every day of my life. So probably is that how you learned how to grow organically from your mom? Yeah. Yeah. One of our organically, she definitely taught me the conventional ways, you know, in a lot of conventional greenhouses and whatnot, they, they use their super triple phosphate. They do their 20, 20, 20 jacks. You know, they did a pretty conventional stuff and he's not assaults and synthetics.

And it wasn't actually, until I, I got into chemistry is my that's my background I'm I have a bachelor's in science and chemistry. And so I got into kind of what the organic, what is to be organic garden.

And so the first grad at college, I got brought into an innovative fertilizer company and got into evolve with the really core organizations like United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, and really starting to understand that, you know, there's other ways that we can grow conventionally working with the United nations.
We we've, we figured out that, you know, it takes about a thousand years for one centimeter of soil, top soil to build. We, our whole, all of existence of nature is really dependent on the first six inches of top soil.

So it really got me into, it was understanding that conventional fertilizer on our conventional foreign land can degrade once in a year of soil in 10 years.

So we can destroy about a hundred times quicker than we could the earth naturally rebuild it!

Going into organic gardening, you start to really realize that, you know, it's more about how we take care of the soil than just growing a plant.

So just kinda going into, I don't know, a lot of the different verticals in agriculture, you can see how a lot of the conventional gardening, you know, it requires a lot more fertilizer than the organic gardening requires a lot less fertilizer!

Maybe more, more tending to the soil, maybe more tending to, you know, the aspects of, of a good ecosystem or really what.

What steered me into organic gardening was, was just working. We're working within the fertilizer industry and realizing what conventional fertilizers were and, and what, or what the difference between organic was.

Well, you know, this is music to our ears. So, so then what happened?

We started working with a lot of these different countries that are part of the United Nations, and they started really looking back at what,

what is it to be healthy?

Where we're at with all these large costs in our healthcare system? What do we really, how do we reduce this cost? How do we improve the system? Do we, do we have more endeavors and pharmaceuticals? Do we have more endeavors and biotechnology? Do we, do we focus more on healthcare professionals?

And at the end of the day, what they found is that it doesn't really come down to how much money you put into your medical system and your healthcare system, because you're always going to be kind of fighting uphill battle.

What they found was is that the true mutual, the true health to a human and to our, to our bodies is the food we eat. And so that's really what propelled me into making innovative and new technologies is for organic gardening is realizing that the, the nutrition that we eat is actually in our produce.

It's, it's how we develop nutrient dense produce.

And we do that through growing organically and having a good micro ecosystem!

Having a good, good soil health. And if we really want to truly have good medicine to take care of you, me, or kids or family, then we all need to eat organic food. And we all need to be focused on nutrient dense produce.

Okay, Tim. So my listeners have repeatedly told me that what they want to know is how can they be more productive? And I have a feeling you have an answer for us. How can we grow more of that nutrient dense produce?

What's some of this tech and other solutions that you've come up to help make organic gardeners more successful.

Hey, wait, can I just remind listeners? I'm sure you all cut this in the beginning question, but 29, another rockstar, millennial working for the UN ~ biochemistry degree!

I love it. Tim. I'm writing a book called rockstar millennials about them. Amazing rock star millennials on my show, because I think you guys are great!

Thank you. We're excited. If you can't tell?!.

Yeah. The, you know, it really comes down to, you know, the Native Americans have this theory. I'm a quarter Native American. And so I've really grown up with that in my, my, my, my childhood. And, you know, they have a saying that you are what you eat and while the plant is what it eats too.

So the, the, the biggest thing I've found and, you know, maybe not a lot of people, I don't know if you guys have talked a lot about this or not, but the bricks level inside the plant it's, it's, it's something not really taught a lot about in conventional agriculture, except for like grapes.

You know, when you're making wine, you want the highest grade content. Do you have the artists highest amount of sugar content and not let you make good wine.

But really to have a hi. Hi. Hi. Hi, hi bricks con plant. And we do that through reducing the water soluble nutrients inside the plant and increasing more proteins, increasing organic cellular production at the plant. So, you know, nitrates are a good example of that. We can grow more nutrient and produce by utilizing alternative forms of nitrogen. 

Nitrates are one of the, one of the four forms of nitrogen and conventionally. You have nitrates ammonium, and you have a urea is the three forms of nitrogen. And that's where we find a lot of, you know, inside like jacks or miracle grow, or, you know, a lot of assault based fertilizers.

What that does is that the nitrates can only exist inside the plant when there's a large amount of water. So what that does is when a plant takes up the nitrates and use that as a main version of nitrogen, that's good source, the plant has to have a large amount of water as well.

And what the large amount of water does is it dilutes the amount of nutrition in your produce. It dilutes the sugar, the SAP content inside your produce. So it's not as packed with vitamins and minerals. So just by simply finding a different version of, of nitrogen, whether the vet, your top dressing with feather meal and putting down accomplished tea on top of that, whether you have some alfalfa or different organic versions of nutrition, we want to, we want to focus on the fourth type of, of nitrogen called protein nitrogen.

And you can get that through organic soybean extracts. You can get that through hydro ice fish, just using these more naturally natural versions of, of just nitrogen alone can increase the brix level inside the plant, which means your plants are going to have more, more nutrition in it.

Are you saying brinks like the brinks truck?

No, you're fine. Brix B-R- I X, brix is a measurement of the carbohydrate content inside the plant.

And we find is there's less brix and plants to have a high amount of water in them. And when you use a lot of nitrates are a lot of phosphate salts, the water content goes up really high inside the plant, which immediately reduces the amount of nutrients over trying to get, you know, dense new nutrient produce inside the plant, we want the nutrients to be as packed full per square inch as possible inside the plant.

So you, I guess in a simple sentence, it's just a it's it's, you know, knowing what you're feeding the plant!

you know, we should try to, we try to sway away from, from salt based fertilizers and go more towards like protein nitrogen, or more towards a bone meal or rock phosphorus source for the phosphorus.

And we do that. You can, you can kind of adjust the amount of water in the plant and how much nutrients the plant actually absorbing. And we find that you have higher Brix levels, which means more sugar content type of plant and more sugar content contains also more nutrients and more vitamins and minerals inside of the plant.

So how do you know what, like what the sugar level of that plant is? Or like, how do you even, is that like a soil test you're doing to find that brix thing?

Yeah, you can, there's a refractive index and that's like the measurement scale of it. And we can use a refractometer and they're pretty cheap online. And you just go through and you can do a chop a part of the branch off of a plant, and you can squeeze the juice out onto the lens and you just hold that up towards light and you can see where the sugar content is on refractometer.

So it's a little more the, an experience type of gardening approach, but, you know, if you're really trying to dial things in it's, it's really helpful to see like how healthy the plant is, because what we also found is, you know, higher the brix, the higher, the healthier the plant.
And if we have a healthier plant, you can use less pesticides and you have less bugs trying to get to the plant!

And that's really overall what it is. You're trying to make yourself, help yourself healthy. And you're trying to make the plant healthy. And when the plant is healthy, you can use less chemicals and less chemicals immediately means healthier plants!

Golden seeds, Tim golden seeds! This is the kind of stuff that my listeners want to hear. So, and a lot of this stuff is like, so I just had this, she has her own little fan club on my show. Her name is Patti Armbruster, and she's like a regenerative agriculture expert. And she actually was just at my place yesterday, giving me all sorts of tips and things that we could do.

And a lot of the things that I think you're saying is what she's talking about to like helping the plants be healthy, you know? Totally she's just such a soil, like show passionate about, you know, feeding the soil organisms and the ecosystem. So it's a healthy soil. So it feed your plant, like you're saying.

And then my husband's been adding like alfalfa meal, and I think, I want to say it was blood meal in that bone meal to kind of like give his plants a little boost this spring, but I dunno.

Do you have more to say, or do you want to answer the questions or where do you want to go from here?

Yeah, no, I mean, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm really a proponent on making sure that the, you know, we're all picky about the food we eat. I'm a big proponent about being picky about what you feed your plants too. Right?

So a lot of it is, it goes into, if your plants are healthy, they're going to have less, less bugs and less bugs means you're going to have more or less pests. I'm sorry, which means you're going to have more predators and you're going to have a plant that releases less infrared.

And so really my whole soapbox schpeel I've been getting on lately is, is just adjusting the form of nitrogen, which also was just causing your plant to be healthier. If they plant, when plants take in a bunch of nitrates, they've released infrared radiation, the book, see infrared radiation and see that as like their prime food source and they come attack plant. So we can, we can make plants healthier and actually ward away the pests themselves by just feeding them non nitrate based food.

I guess I, the full circle to kind of let them what I've been preaching.

Speaker 1 (16m 5s): And so was that what, where my page go, the biologix, the culture biologix is like food that you give the plants to help them be healthier?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we give the, you know, we like to tackle it from a couple of different animals or a couple of different angles. One of the one which is, you know, adjusting the input of the food source.

So it makes sure, yeah, we definitely feed them better, you know, create a better organism.

The other is, is part of the biologix is using biological organisms to, you know, condition the soil

you know, we had in Colorado, we have a heavy clay based soil, not much sand here, a lot of rock. So what we'd like to do is put down like beneficial microorganisms that, that naturally break down clay and produce some more porise substrates to grow in.

So it's not as compact and not as, not at that, doesn't say as waterlogged for as long. So part of it is the inputs lot. And the other part of it is making sure we use the proper organisms at the proper timing to condition our soil.

So, like I said, you know, prior to, to working with United Nations, we did this soil degradation test.

And one way we found to increase the rate at which the soil regenerates the top soil is to use organisms that put carbon back into the soil.

And then, and by doing this, we find that we can, we can grow the soil at a faster rate than we can, can, we can decompose it through conventional agriculture because of the organisms we put in there.

Well, where do you get the organisms from?

We work with the micro-biotic lab out of Santa Rosa, California, good friends of ours. We like to work closely with, with good people. And so they make, we, we had them go to the international gene bank in Switzerland to find a couple, a couple of specific organisms that we want to use and put in, make a microbial blend for us.

So they make all of our, all of our custom blends of microorganisms. And we use them in and make them into an easy to use product, like instant compost teas and like, like an actual rooting product that uses rooting bacteria instead of rooting and hormones.

And there's sure a lot of that going on these days isn't there?

Oh yeah, yeah, there are. And you know, our, our whole thing is just a lot of, a lot of educating. Cause a lot of people don't know what goes into the soil. A lot of people don't know what, what they're using because they buy a bottle that says, Hey, grows plants grow well.

Well, that doesn't necessarily mean it's good for you, or it's very good for the soil. So, you know, a lot of where, how we go about it is, is making sure that we one provide an easy to use product.

Also, you know, give the microorganisms that people need. You know, her, for example, a lot of people don't know, am I crazy? Is, am I crazy and habits, 95% of all root systems on the faces earth? You know, that's a very integral part of our products and knowing when, what that good bacteria used and what we know, what bacteria that you're a phone guy, you need to break down what nutrients.

So we kinda custom tailor all of these complex micro mycology essentially and put them into a product that you

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