Today Charlie talks to Glaswegian Chris, perhaps one of the greatest embodiments of ‘One Man Empire’ there is. Chris built his business the traditional way with bums on seats... and then burnt it to the ground going One Man Empire style for more money and more freedom.

Chris shares what life is like when you should have been dead at 30, and how it feels to get screwed by a business partner who emptied the bank account.

Plus there is some talk about starting a multi-million cryptocurrency, the latest in bio-hacking, and passive profit production from men hiding motorbikes from their wives.

Discover more about One Man Empire here:

https://www.theonemanempire.com/

Okay, gentlemen, today's episode.

Well, I've got Uh, living fucking legend, Chris Penman, who I can't

think of actually is a great example of how you can operate a business.

Literally as just one man.

Now this individual was told he was going to be dead by 30.

He got fucked over by a business partner who literally cleared all the fucking

bank accounts and every single cent he owned, he then resurrected that business.

We're up to 10 strong team, then thought, fuck it.

These employees were a pain Sacked, all of them started up from scratch

on his own and is now more profitable than ever in an environment where

he can spend a shitload of time with his family, with his daughter.

It's absolutely fucking amazing on top of all of that.

I think what he says about getting paid to fight inside of the glasgow

streets might be fucking shocking and surprising so let's prepare for a strong

glaswegian accent and let's do this

Was it snowing up there yesterday?

What the fuck's that about?

it was fucking freezing when I got up at half past seven this morning and for a

little bit yesterday there was, I swear God, there was snow or sleep going on.

When I was coming down to the one by Empire the, the other week, um,

it didn't get light until I past.

I know

Wouldn't have thought, you know, it was like dark all

the way down there basically.

Um, but I was expecting to get light about five

Yeah.

Doesn't happen.

Does that, but does it?

some of these tons lights on going.

Yeah, it was a little bit weird,

Oh, Chris.

Well,

you asked me a good day.

I've, I'm glad you've had a good start today and to kind of kick this

thing off is give me like a little bit of background what were things

growing up like for you, Chris?

My dad was a technical teacher and uh, he was also a math teacher.

Um, my mom was a part-time psychiatric nurse, so I spent most of my time watching

my dad doing extra tuition for kids in the, in the dining room, you know,

, So things like math and technical drawing will just piss easy in me because I'd been

doing them since I was like six or five.

Um, so moving on to an engineering degree, uh, in a livelihood, just

designing stuff was pretty, pretty much a, a straight line, you know, there

wasn't awful lot of thought there.

It was just a thing that I was good at.

There wasn't a massive amount of income coming into the house.

So he was probably just doing it for extra money to go away and spend.

On us.

You know, we used to go, used to go away and like collect

metal and things like that.

Take it to the scrappy, sell it to the scrappy, and then

this was when mom was sleeping.

Mom was obviously on night shift.

My dad would take us out and we would, we'd go find stuff,

we would take to the scraps and

that's fucking awesome.

and, and whatever we got was basically cream money.

And, but it was.

It was just a day out with my dad, you know?

Um, it wasn't, it's not until later on that you realized some of the

things that you did was maybe because you weren't the wealthiest family,

um, that, that's probably more something that ties into what I do now because

now I just look at different ways you actually making money or whatever the

fuck's lying about, you know, or whatever idea somebody comes up with that I can

maybe copy or change a little bit.

Um, because I'm 50 years old, so at the moment, My main impulse is

to make revenue streams that don't involve me working so hard, you know?

Uh, so passive incomes are, are key to me at the moment.

Talk me through that, Chris.

Cause I, I think what, what's fucking amazing for me, you are an individual

that just sees a fucking idea.

And I'll have a conversation with you two weeks later.

And that idea has turned into a business.

It's been fucking tested.

There's customers, there's sales coming through the door, , there's no excuses.

There's just like, I'm gonna fucking try it and, and see what happens.

So how, how do you normally take that, Chris?

How do you mentor mentally evaluate ideas and, uh, put 'em into, put 'em into place?

There's not much.

I just try stuff.

Um, like literally some of them fall flat in their face.

Um, whereas some of the other things that we've been doing have

been quite massively profitable.

Like the Facebook page that already had that someday in the think tank

said, Well, why don't you just charge people for asking questions

let's talk, talk about that Chrisa, to give a little background on that.

You, you've got a page called as the structural Engineer on Facebook

where basically anyone including, um, students that were trying to get answers

to their answers to their fucking homework, which is, Judy, I wish I

was that smart when I was at school.

Whether it was, um, questions about building work they might be doing.

They could just basically come and come and ask you questions, wasn't it?

And you were given those answers for free, Is that right?

How whe when did you set that up or what was the thought process

behind originally setting that up?

Originally that, that was about 2017.

We said that, um, and it was just you, you go into people's houses and you see some

ridiculous shit that people do, like truly appalling things to do at the property.

I mean, it's, it's biggest, it's the biggest.

Thing that you ever buy, and those people just randomly knocking walls down and

they've now propped it up with a bit of tree that they found in the back garden

, so I basically did it so I could take some pictures of stupid shit that I

see, . I'd put it up just to put fun in.

And then obviously on Facebook there's a message button.

Then people would message me going, I've got this cracking with my building.

Can you send, can I send you some pictures of it?

And you're like, Yeah, okay.

Send pictures.

And then over the years, it got to the point where people were

putting other people onto me.

Like, there's this guy who answer your question for nothing.

Right?

And obviously when I joined the one man Empire, somebody went, Well,

why don't you fucking charge them?

I was like, Nobody would pay for that shit.

Fuck off.

Right?

And then apparently people would pay for it.

Right.

So, so now I've got builders phoning up and, and sending me

pictures and, and stuff like that.

Said, Look, I've not this wall down.

Um, we're gonna have to put a beam in.

Um, but we're already on site what beam size in it.

So, I've basically monetized standing in a curing Asda or sitting in a dentist

or, you know, all those little periods of time when you actually don't do anything.

I can just pop in my Facebook page and get paid for it.

Um, but that was genuinely somebody else's idea.

I still be doing that for nothing.

that's is it, Isn't it amazing that sometimes how there, there's whatever

the business might be or whatever it is that we're doing, there's, there's

an assumption to a certain extent.

You just carry on doing what you always do in terms of giving, giving shit away from,

Oh, we always do free quotes or we always give that information away for Fred.

You're like, Well, hang on a minute.

When you peek behind the curtain and someone goes,

Should you be charged with that?

And you go, I dunno.

I'll see if we can.

And, um, fucking spectacular.

Yeah, I used to do, uh, free site visits as well.

So if I was doing structural surveys on people's houses, I

would quote for the report and then I would do survey for nothing.

Right.

Whereas now I charge for the survey as a upfront fee.

So if I turned up and there's nobody there, at least I've been paid for Boeing.

Um, and then I charge for the report separately.

So I, you know, if I turned up in whatever they want me surveys, just a bag out,

a light look, mate, I can't give you a report on, that's fall bits, right?

I don't have to do the survey, but I still got paid for my

time going to do the visit.

Um, so that is just a different way looking at things, how, how can you

make money outta that situation?

I think that's really cool.

Chris, what's really interesting there for me is, is you mentioned

about actually, let's say billing for doing surveys and, . I remember before

whenever I used to do speaking or I'd go out and do consulting days, it would

be like, well, I would always bill after, after the event had happened.

Um, and then you'd be send the fucking invoice in and you might wait seven days,

30 days, and 90 days or whatever that was.

And I had a mentor at the time.

He was like, That's gotta be the stupidest fucking thing I've, I've ever

heard of thought process being is as soon as that's blocked in the diary

in terms of you are going on site to do a survey, it's like, well that's

fucking opportunity cost for anything else that can be done during that time.

There's other shit that you could be doing in that day.

If that doesn't, then go ahead if that thing gets canceled.

And I was like, Well, that now, same fucking obvious now that you've

mentioned it yet everyone else in the industry or in the market tells

you you can't charge for that.

I'm like, Of course, account's my fucking business.

And all of a sudden it's like, Oh my God, I can't do this and

people are gonna pay for it.

And, um, there's no, the, the cash flow comes in and it's, um, it makes things

so much fucking simpler, doesn't it?

You,

Yeah, it does.

Because I think you need to appreciate that your time is valuable.

Uh, and I think a lot of the time people forget that.

You know, I would rather have the time with my daughter if somebody's

not paying me to do something else.

, you're not sitting there waiting for somebody to please give you money.

But I think it's important if you're starting an idea for a business, you, you

kind of wanted to work or fail quickly.

Um, you know, I, I'll maybe go back to the, the website, um, that, that puts

architects and engineers to get clients.

I just don't have the time to make it work.

Um, and you know, from that point of view, that kinda failed, but it might

work next year, you know, because the thing is Google keep changing

the way that they do the ad efforts.

Um, and I wrote a crypto and say, uh, about a year ago now.

And I've seen you have this discussion multiple times, and it goes along

the lines just like you did this.

So when I wrote a cryptocurrency, and most people sit there and got a, they've

got no fucking idea what crypto is, or they sit there and they're going, I've

maybe dabbled about buying a little bit of crypto to write your own f Like, that's,

so that's, it's, it's fucking mental.

It, It's crazy and beyond most people's realm of thinking.

And you just drop that into a conversation here.

Yeah,

I was like, Let's see if I can land the code.

Right.

Um, so I taught myself how to code . Uh, so having learnt code I

decided that I would then write the script for a cryptocurrency.

Um, and at that point I wrote the script and it was all working.

Um, and I decided that I would deploy it.

So I basically put that cryptocurrency out into the world, right?

And then somebody bought it, right?

And I was like, Oh, didn't expect that, Um, somebody's bought my

look and say, Right, okay, shit.

Um, and then somebody else bought it and then, because it was just

new people were buying it on North Chance, bought somewhere, I was

like, Fuck, people are buying this.

Um, right now I need a website to tell people what it does, cause I

just basically need it and didn't really expect it to go anywhere.

So it started to sell.

Um, and it kinda snowballed quite quickly with a lot of people buying it.

Um, and the, I don't even know what the, the value of the

cryptocurrency is at the moment.

I haven't checked this week.

I think the last time I checked it was something like three and a half million

dollars or something like that, which was.

Which was a lot less than it's been, that it had been worth about 12 million at one

let me just

But the whole, those things

that started with you literally from scratch, no fucking coding skills,

and it's like, Oh, of a weekend I might learn a little bit of Python

and put this thing together and we are 12 months down the line, you've got

a currency worth like three fucking million, which is, is phenomenal.

But that, that's not what, what I find interesting about that,

Chris, you, you set that up and that that wasn't about right.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna get rich in cryptocurrency.

There, there was like a bigger, greater cause behind that, wasn't

it, in terms of supporting food

Yeah.

We, we, my wife and I give money to local food bank, um, because

when I became a father, right?

When, when was born, I, I started to think how bad it I would feel

if I wasn't able to feed her.

That must be so bad if you are a parent and your your kid's hungry

and you can't feed them, right?

So we, we started to give some money at the local food bank and I started

to think how else, you know, maybe I could a fund run or, or something that

to raise some money and I thought, Oh, I'm already buy some crypto.

Let's see how difficult it would be to make, I could

look on and say, What was it?

A lot of people have done it.

It can't be that hard.

Um, and that was a mistake cause it was quite difficult, but,

But having started doing it, I thought, right, okay, done it now.

But the problem is once you've done it and people start buying it, they, they

then want the price to go up, right?

I need to advertise it.

To me the price go up, right?

And then the new Google Ads problem is you can't advertise crypto Google, right?

Advertise on or it class as gambling.

yeah.

So then we started advertising on porn hub, Don't you?

is fucking amazing Ama cuz.

I don't, Well, it's, I, I, it's, it is those things, isn't it?

And it's, I I remember us having a conversation and, um, I, I think for

me, the, the lesson for all of us is like, whenever people talk about

advertising, the default response is like, Right, what can we do on Google?

Or what can we do on Facebook?

Or what can we do on Twitter?

Like, it, it, it directly goes to, to those big, big players.

And no one ever thinks about the other places where our possible buyers might

be fucking hanging out, where no one else in our market is fucking advertising.

And I'm like, I don't care where it is.

If our ideal customer is there and we can reach 'em,

Well, it's worth a fucking pop.

And um, what I really liked about that, Chris, is that when we had that

initial conversation, the, the amount of other people over the past two

decades, um, that I would've gone to, I'll tell you what, we wanna advertise

this thing is on fucking porn sites.

Its cuz this shit's gonna go like gangbusters.

It's gonna cost you close to fuck.

Most people look and smile and go, Yeah, Charlie, great idea.

And you, you like, typical, typical style to your app.

Write event things up.

Ah, fuck it, I'll give it a go.

And within like two days this adds up on pod sites, there's

fucking clicks coming in and um, it

We, we sold that.

We sold that shit with the crypto

so.

porn sides, and it cost next to nothing.

In comparison with Facebook ads.

It was like about 1%.

The actual cost was about 1% of what would've been to get it on Facebook,

and it was like it was next to nothing in comparison with Google.

And, and what people don't realize that have never advertised on porn

sites before, is that in, in like Facebook, where you can go, Right.

I, I wanna show this to men that arrange between 34 and 45 and

that are interested in motorcycles or Harley Davidson on Porn Hub.

It's like, I wanna advertise to men that are into fucking foot FETs or

bm like you, you, you get, there's all sorts of crazy criteria for

the different pool that people are watching that you could go and enjoy.

It's fucking mental, isn't it?

going, I, I was talking, I was getting a tattoo yesterday and I

was talking to the tattoo writers.

He was wondering about Google and stuff like that.

I was like, Yeah, you want advertising porn hub.

I told him for website to go to and my default you advertising

at seven different porn sites.

Its like, and you can advertise.

I was like, Hi, my, we we on these computer and you, he could advertise

to people who were into tattoos on.

amazing.

And you can do it within postcode areas and you can

tell them what time of the day.

, it was one of those ones, he was, his eyes just, I was like,

I can't believe you can do it.

And how, what's the cost per click?

And it was like a fraction of pen, you know.

He's like, Oh, that's, that's awesome.

We're gonna do that.

It's got the, the greatest advertising business, Writeoff

in all time porn hub line on it.

Just a different way of doing what you would normally do.

I think you just need to think outside the box cuz everybody

else is thinking inside the box.

I totally

Um, and I think that's part of the reason why I, I've been looking at different

things that we can do and make money, because there's so many ideas that

come up just around the table that you sit there and you think, Yeah, I could

maybe do that because like the, the one where I had a problem, find somewhere

to put my motor bike over the winter because it sit at the same of the house.

You know?

So I could just

what?

What bike is it?

You got Chris

I've got a, a Honda CBR 600.

So it's a sports bike.

Rapid sports bike.

it's

I'm sure there is, but that thing is wheel goes 20 mile an hour and

that's fucking fast enough for me.

That is

Yeah, but I, I, it's just sitting out and open.

And one of my, one of the teams that I, I sponsor spoke to one of the guys in there

and said, Look, you know, do you mind.

Keeping my bike from me over the winter.

He's like, Yeah, yeah, that would be cool.

Um, and you can come up and see the operation and stuff like that.

And Paul was up, I was like, Are any other other units going here empty?

He's like, Yeah, there's quite a few them empty the moment cause

of the economy people pulling out.

I was like, well we rent one and we could just store bikes.

Um, so that, that very quickly went from me getting somewhere to

keep my bike to us having somewhere to keep like 30 people's bikes.

And what, what were you telling me the main reason you think, uh, or

one of, one of the main reasons that people store bikes with you, which is,

which again, from, from my standpoint, from an advertising perspective,

most people, when we go bike storage, it's like, right, okay, so we wanna

make sure that the bike is safe.

I wanna make sure it's protected during winter.

And no, no one gets deep down to the real fucking motivator.

And, and the motivator, you were saying you got multiple bikes that

were in because of what Chris?

But people hiding bikes for the misses, um, because they've maybe

already got three bikes and they've pulled, they want to get another one.

They're like, Fuck, I bought another bike and need somewhere to hide it.

And , it's really good because it's a passive income.

So maybe the following year, others, you know, those, uh, 45 bikes or 60

bikes that are getting installed, you know, and it'll maybe be a case of like,

okay, this is how we can do over the winter, but what about stolen people's

race bikes during the rest season?

Those places it can go, you know?

Um, but it was important just to get it done quickly or we would've

just missed the opportunity.

In my experience, good ideas always come when there is demand for it.

And there's no greater test for demand in terms of being like, Fuck

me, I've got this problem here and I'm, I'm about to go and possibly

try and find a solution for it.

Because if you've got that problem nine times outta 10, there's a

fucking bunch of other people that have got the same fucking problem.

The the other thing as well that comes off the back of that I think is, is you

mentioned there, let's call it like that window of opportunity, um, or speed.

And you possibly sit with friends and other people that

you know that can have an idea.

And when it comes to actually deploying that thing in place, it gets fucking

teed within an inch of its life.

and before you fucking know it, the window of opportunity being lost and the, the

business idea never gets off the ground.

And then you are 12 months down the line and that same person is making fucking

excuses as to why shit isn't working

and it's like, nah.

What happened was that you just didn't take the fucking action when it was

there, and that doesn't mean that you've gotta invest fucking thousand.

It just means you've, you've gotta see if you can fucking sell something.

If you can sell one thing and get something going, we can prove the

concept and we can fucking worry about all the other shit that needs to

Yeah, he's on.

Also, I think either you shouldn't tell anybody idea, you should just go and

fucking implement it, do it yourself.

Or you tell it to friends and family and they're like, Oh, you can't do that.

Bob did that and lost everything.

And everybody's a fucking sob story about why what you've, what I, the

idea you just had is a disastrous idea.

Um, cause the good thing about being around the table in the One by Empire

is that you're in a room full of people who have a similar mindset.

Right.

So you're, you're sitting there with people who are like, Yeah, you could

maybe do that and maybe once you've got people's bikes and storage, you could,

you could rent them a bike cover or you could, for an extra five pound of

monitor, you could give them the access code for the camera so that they could

log and see their bike and we could log it, we could, we've managed to do it so

that when they log in and see their bike, the lights on, their bike lights up.

that's fucking cool.

You could, you could rent them.

Paddock stands so the wheels aren't touching the ground

so you don't get flat spots.

You could rent them a trickle charger to charge the bike on all these extra things

as well as just store the bike safely.

You could do all these other things.

Why not just do it and see if it falls flat in this face?

If it does, as long as you've not lost.

As long as you've not risked a lot of money, then if nothing else, you've

learned how not to do something.

And then maybe next year you learn how to do different way it works, you know?

But you better to go away and think about doing stuff rather than being

the person that five years done the line's like, Oh, I wish I'd done that.

You know, I mentioned to, went away and did, and he's a millionaire.

Yeah.

On his yacht in The Bahamas with a peanut cla in his hand.

And, uh, and he's the what what's interesting Chris, is as we've been

talking there, you mentioned the word passive income, a lot of, of sort of

Yeah.

It's just cuz I'm getting old.

That's all

and how old's effy now,

she's two, two years old in two months.

two years.

And when we had our Barney that, that male instinct in terms of fucking

providing and protecting for this little thing that's got no fucking ability

to do anything for me, it really sort of like changed stuff in terms of

like, I've gotta start thinking about.

The best possible way to make sure that set up down the line that he

fucking set and, and ready to go.

And I, know that there was, there was other things in your background as well

that, that kind of meant from the family standpoint that, that kind of got sped up.

So, so talk through Chris, like the, from the medical side of things.

Cause it's a fucking amazing story of what you've, you've been through and

what's, what sort of drive that gave her.

I was born with, uh, a heart condition called wolf, Parkinson's white syndrome,

in Wolf Park is white, you have, uh, a secondary, a secondary

electrical impulse, right?

So your resting heart rate tends to be a lot higher than normal.

But also what happens is that if you're doing exercise quite often, the secondary

pathway, we will check in and your heart rate will just spike through the roof.

So it's like 300 beats per minute and things like that, right?

Um, and eventually when that has happening for a long, long time,

your heart just goes fuck out.

Yeah.

Right.

Um, and you know, when your heart stops, that's a bad thing.

A lot.

A lot of the time it'll start up again, you know, Um, but sometimes it won't,

and you'll need somebody to give you cpr.

So Wolf, Parker of Rights, a potentially fatal heart problem that people have.

And it tends to catch people unaware because a lot of time you'll not

know that you've got it, you know?

Um, but I, I knew that I had it from like an early age, um, and

there was no real treatment for it

in the seventies and eighties when I was growing up, there

wasn't really a cure for it.

There wasn't really anything they could, they could give you drugs that

slowed down your heart all the time.

Right.

Um, so like beatta blockers and things like that, which

just made you slow, right?

How the fuck does that af, how does that affect you mentally when

you're growing up there, Chris?

Knowing, knowing that you've got, knowing that

Oh it made me look at things a little bit definitely because

I didn't expect to get to 30.

I had toity when I was growing up.

Um, it was more like a fuck it.

That school, we do stuff mentality.

Um, and I also kinda went through a period of if I'm going to die, I die

doing something that I want to be doing.

So I did a lot of stupid shit, um,

shit.

Like

jumping out planes and bungee jumping and free, free climbing.

And

Oh,

I did a lot of martial arts and

I've done free climbing a bunche jump in, which, uh, sorry, not free climbing,

parachuting and bungee jumping in.

Which one did you prefer?

Chris.

fucking hat bun.

Bunch of jumping and that's terrifying.

Bunch of jumpings fucking terrifying.

Oh, I like

Cause jumping out a plane, you just see like a patch where

qu fields and stuff like that.

Below you jumping off a bungee thing, you can see people

Yeah.

and the concrete coming at you pretty

Yes.

That was genuinely terrifying.

I'm not sure I'll jump a plane at

And how so?

Free climbing.

Wherever you free climb.

Just up north.

It was just, just

some fucking, that's like, for me, that's, that's like crazy hardcore.

I wanna do ball riding and I, I think ball riding is fucking safer than

that's mental.

That's,

climbing is fucked up.

Like there's no safety net or anything there.

yeah, I know.

Um, obviously you learn to climb first

Oh yeah.

A hundred percent.

I don't, I don't care.

I can learn to do a lot of things Chris.

It doesn't mean

let's what we can do.

Um, but yeah.

Uh, so I did that and I did a lot of martial arts and

did some fighting for money

You got paid for basically to up, you got twice as much if you want.

Right?

So it's not like you, you, you've got paid either way.

Right.

Um, but sometimes I, I don't remember the fight

Fuck me,

like, there was, there was times when I'd wake up at home in the bath, like, um,

and I'm like, Did I put myself in there?

But did somebody put myself, somebody put me in the bath?

Um, this is a bad idea, you know, But there's genuinely times when I

actually don't remember the fight at

What, what?

What sort of fight was this?

Chris?

uh, it was just fighting in aground car park.

Fuck me, man.

That's hardcore.

but it, it was like, I mean, I, I've broken bones in my

hands and stuff around my jaw.

Fucked it.

I had to spend 8,000 pounds on dental work before I got married

because my teeth were off.

My teeth were all mashed up.

Um, but yeah, it's just, again, it was just one of those things of,

How the fuck do you get into that?

Like, Cause that's, that's not like a, there's, there's an advert that

you see online where you're like, This is, this is what we've got going on.

now.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did, I did martial arts, I did , then short and I got a black belt.

And then, and then I started learning Ninja jsu.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and one, one day when I was, I finished Jisu.

We've done, uh, this is a bit of sight track, but this's a

story that my wife knows because happened at having my dad's house.

But I'd went from, from the JSU to see my wife cause mom and dad's.

Cause we were just dating at that point.

I'd been sent by her mom to go get stuff for the Cardinal shop.

But when I was in nsu, we were just doing knife attacks.

Right.

So we've literally been there for maybe an hour doing, you try and stab

me three times, I'll try and stab you three times and we'll take the knife

off each other and then try and No.

So I'd water this corner shop, um, and some little guy who came out mouth and

he, he pulled a knife out and he is like, Wait, gimme your watch and your money

Fuck.

Without thinking about it, I just took fucking knife off him.

So I took the knife off and then gave him it back.

Right.

And I remember he, when he took the knife from my hand, my brain was

go, What the fuck are you doing?

Yeah, this is a, This ain't a Robin knife anymore.

up to that point, I was just like, Take the knife here

Yeah.

Right.

think I actually again, and gave him the knife back.

And you looked at the knife and his own hand looked at me.

He looked it, and Ryan, Right.

I was like, . If he tried again, I think my brain would've

been engaged at that point.

I probably got stop, but I just, I just took it off him

mate.

That's fucking brilliant.

Um, but yeah, , it was just an easy way, earn some money.

Uh, but again, if, if you're thinking, you know, Am I dying the next few

years, you're like, Fucking whatever

I can imagine,

she give a bash.

I did lots of silly things

So you're not thinking, gonna get to 30 and, and time goes on.

Where, where do you sort of like go

Well, no, I just thought figured I was gonna die.

, but then at some point, uh, there was an operation that you could get.

Um, and I found somebody who would do the operation for me.

It was the first time he'd done it and he watched it on VHS the night before.

I'm like, Well, this is just filling me with all sorts of fucking good feelings.

Well, um, so I did operational but you had to be awake and underneath

the ties during the procedure.

Um, because if they gave you anesthetic, your heart rate would slow down.

Right.

And what they needed was for your heart rate to be really high.

So when they bump the extra nerve, your heart rate would drop.

Right.

So, you know, you don't feel anything going through your

arteries, but you can't feel things when they're inside your heart.

Right.

Uh, so when they started bubbling out the, the nerve inside my

heart, that was fucking sore to be

I can

But you, you were, you were strapped down.

I was strapped down at the table.

Right.

My arms were strapped down, sort of cruciform, if

year

And you can watch it on the screen so you, you can watch it, the screen, you

see the guy, you see your heart valve open up and that's the thing to go through it.

And it was like some messed up computer game where you're

trying to time it to go through.

Right.

We're strap down, you're watching the guy.

Right.

And you can see it going forward.

You, you're not gonna make it, you're not gonna make it in there.

It's your.

Right.

It eventually gets through to the side, to the bit where it has to bond there, but

it was a weird fleshy computer game that

Yeah.

That's brilliant.

and then once, once they bond out, they try and start a heart attack to start,

start the extra beat happening, , and then once they've confirmed it, it's not there.

Then they give you the job to, and you're like, Well, we're done.

Um, but the cool thing about that was the second debu, the, I knew I was fixed.

I could feel that I was fixed, you

So like in instant fucking magic bullet.

it was literally my heart rate haled, right?

But I could feel my heart rate dropping like just instantly.

It was like there was an extra bit more there.

Um, and then after that it happened.

Uh, I, I asked my wife out because she was a good bit younger than me.

Age.

She's beautiful.

I didn't have any chance with her and I thought, well, fuck it, I'm alive now.

So that, that basically started the second phase of my life where suddenly

I'm, I'm going to have a future, right?

And I'm gonna have a future with this person, and now I need to go and try

and find ways of providing for myself.

So literally like Born, Born again, Chris?

In terms of, In terms of that feeling, I

just my outlook changed.

I stopped as many issues.

that.

Um, then quite shortly after that, I started my own business, uh, with a view

to, I, I realized there's a limit to how much you can end working for somebody

Yeah.

And were you working for someone else at this stage, Chris?

Yeah.

At this stage I was technical director in, uh, a large multinational engineering.

Oh, okay.

Right.

Um, so I had a good salary.

I was on, I dunno, like 60,000 per a year or something like that, but it, it

wasn't gonna get much more than that know realistically . Um, so the best option

was to go away and work for myself really.

That was a bit of gamble.

Um, but, you know, I always had the option to go back and work

for somebody else, you know?

Um, so yeah.

That, that

That setting up was , another engineering business in terms of being like, Right

is what I do.

I can do this for myself.

I can do it better and,

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I set up an engineering and architectural practice, a

partnership with somebody that I, I knew really well and trust

Yeah,

years, the, all the money for the company.

fuck

Um, and that, that's when I decided I'm not business with somebody.

Just,

so what, what happened there, Chris?

Cause it amazes me from there, there's some crazy statistic around partnerships

in terms of they, the, the failure right of them is, is fucking huge.

And the rate in terms of one partner screwing the other one over again

is fucking silly, silly high.

that's it.

I didn't realize that.

no, I've read it somewhere not so long ago.

And, , you would think we're going into this relationship with someone

that, we fucking trust and we're gonna try and build this thing.

And, it goes to show you how fucking low the morals are , of a lot of people

that, that, that essentially steer him from, from business partners.

So did, did you do that under the radar, or how did you find out about that?

Um, myself and the staff come up one day and there was nothing in the office.

Fuck me,

All the computers were away, the printers were away.

We were all standing there going, what the fuck happened?

Um, and I tried to form my business partner.

Um, I wasn't getting through, uh, not other were any of the

staff, but it was, it was paid.

So I thought You guys, you guys need paid.

Um, I, I hadn't been very financially into that, like financially aware

when I said, I basically said on the company with somebody who already had

their own company because I didn't understand accounts and things like that.

So she'd been person that was paying the staff.

Um, so when I couldn't get ahold of her and then the staff had been

paid, I was like, Well, okay, well come and meet the bank because I can

just take on here, give it to you.

That found up in the bank the fact there was no money in the bank,

Oh my

because we both signed the document saying that in order for this to

take more than a thousand pound out, we both had to sign something.

Right, but mysterious and that had vanished.

Um, so basically the, the bank account was resented.

Um, and that was, that was quite nasty to be honest.

Um, because all the money I had was in the company,

Well I

come to me outta the company.

what you build up it

yeah, you, you get the money in the company cuz if you take it out

you have to pay tax on profits.

Um, so the money was in the company and then suddenly I

was like, Shit, I got no money.

Um, but I did have a particular set of skills.

Um, so I just started doing maths for myself.

Yeah, yeah.

Obviously a lot of the work that was getting done was work

that I knew was coming in.

Yeah.

Um, so I just contacted the people that I was doing engineering stuff

who just started doing it myself.

Uh, but it was a bit a kicking the guts.

Uh, my wife didn't put it like the person I the business with anyway,

but she could see the sense and me going into the business with

somebody who already had a business.

No.

you get that?

I told you so.

Chris

Uh, I still do.

Uh, but in fairness, she did tell me.

I mean, it's, it's completely justified.

She has a much, she's a much sharper, um, judgy character than I am.

Yeah.

Um, so I just up in business with myself, um, and that's pretty much

what I've been doing ever since I, I did build the business back

up to having staff and things.

so talk me through that.

Cause you know, my opinion on employees and the fucking carnage

that they, cause you've gone from four people, you've been fucked over

by this con of a business partner.

And then mentality wise, Chris, this is amazing in terms like, right.

Fuck it, I can do this again.

You build that up to seven stuff.

So, so mentality of that time is, is to, to keep growing,

keep growing, keep growing.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, you keep going because as the work's coming in, . It's

almost like playing monopoly.

When you, when you go around and you've got your little houses, next step is

to go in and buy the hotel, right?

So when you've got your staff, if you've got enough money coming in

to buy another staff, then you just buy another staff member, right?

Um, and the belief that that will then bring in more work because you

have the capacity to do more work.

Um, but what eventually actually happens is that as a business owner,

inevitably the work, starts to fluctuate.

And some months you're paying your staff, but you're not paying yourself.

Right.

Um, and that becomes problematic if that should only income.

. You're, you, you're bringing in staff because it makes the business look

more profitable when the fact ends up making the business less profitable.

So what's happened since Covid started was that basically Covid started, had

funded the staff and I was paying monthly flu, but it became a part where I was

able to do a lot of the work myself

It's interesting that, isn't it, in terms of

you know, obviously when people were, you couldn't get 'em to do work

Yeah.

and like, well, okay, um, so you, you realize that you can do the work.

And I joined the one man empire and a lot of the stuff that was paying people to

do, you could get a little online program,

Yeah.

a fraction of the cost.

Automate or die, my friend.

Yeah, so you, you managed to automate things and then you realize that you

don't need the staff because, so to a certain extent, you're paying people

because you like them or you're paying people to have somebody next year

that you have a conversation with.

Um, and it becomes quite lonely when you don't have the person next year.

But ultimately you, you meet more money because you're not having to pay for

company mobile phones, pay ye national insurance tax, all the things that

go together with having an employee

know what I do is, uh, when I have work that requires somebody else to do it,

I just pay them on a job by job basis

and that, that's made the company an awful lot more profitable and,

that's fucking huge, Chris.

I'm, a huge believer in, um, Let's call it like offloaded and

outsourcing , especially you take like current economic climate and

whatever the fuck that's gonna be.

If you can keep overheads low and if you can keep commitment short, which

is very fucking to, very difficult to do when you've got body after

body coming inside of the business.

But if you could, if you can find reputable people that can do that

on a project by project basis, essentially , we are taking money from

our customer and we are selling someone else's time to deliver that and we're

creaming money off the fucking thought

. It's like selling a product and it's like, well, this is easy.

I'm, I'm now just marketing a service that someone else is delivering and I'm

getting paid the margin in the middle.

We productize a service business, which is where that needs to become.

It's like, well, this is fucking easier than having to deal with seven

people that fuck around and are sick and wanna go on holiday and all the

other shit that comes up with that as.

Yeah, , it's not until you don't have this thing, you, you've kind of got rid

the staff that utilize just exactly how much money you were spending on them.

Um, and how much, if you can still do even half the work without those extra

bodies, how much more money can be coming into your household, you know?

Um, you know, just from a purely selfish point of view.

, my role is to get as much for my family as I can so that my daughter's okay.

And my life's.

And uh, when it comes to a lot of other engineering, that would just have to stop.

Sure.

You

it comes to things like, you know, the money coming crypto that would still

come in, the money coming off like bike storage and other things that, that we've

got, would still be coming in without, an active involvement in it, you know?

Uh, but I'm always in the lookout for other things that I can

maybe get a passive income from.

And there's not much point having money in the bank right now because

the way the exchange rate going and the interest rates going, any money

you have in the bank, in real terms, that's just losing money, being in

a hundred percent.

the better invest in the new business or property or something like that,

that at least might stay static.

But not go down the way.

Yeah.

Um, so yeah, so that, that was something I like.

Again, obviously with what I do with you guys, um, I've learned how to

market a lot better, you know, um, basically like talking to the tattoos

about as a bit off the ball, but I saw the lot that dawn ball on, you know,

it's, isn't it, isn't it funny like, um, say about how important

speed is in terms of being, like, if you've got an idea, it's like, fuck

it, you've gotta get it out there.

But that, that, that speed also needs to be backed up with a certain amount

of, an ability to be able to persuade someone that this is a good idea, Um,

from a marketing standpoint, that skillset for being able to go, right,

I can take this idea and I can get someone to part with their money for it.

Once, once you've got that skill, the ability to apply that to any

business in any situation, it's just like, fuck that, That can't be taken

away from you whether we are selling fucking ass tickler or whether we

are selling coffee or blood banks.

That's a keys to the fucking kingdom.

Yeah.

You're golden.

it is

Just that concept and show somebody how to do it and how easy it is to advertise it.

Um, it was interesting to see somebody else's reaction to that because you get

kinda used to sitting around the table with people who think the same, you know?

Um, and I think from his point of view, it was good having somebody

who could help him realize and all.

Opportunity just have without family friends going, Oh, you can't do that.

And talking 'em out of it, because it probably wouldn't take very much to

dissuade them for a few weeks to the point where it actually couldn't be

done because you didn't have access to all the bikes that had access to,

it's, it's huge that, and it's, it's,

So,

overlooked, isn't it, Chris?

Like, um, that the power that other people's thoughts and other

people's voices have on the decisions we make is, is fucking phenomenal.

Whether that's business decisions, whether that's, , I'm gonna try something

new, whether I'm, I'm gonna do that.

, they talk about that nature versus nurture.

I'm like, It's, it's all fucking nurture, man.

It's, it's

yeah.

As.

people you surround yourself with.

I'm amazed sometimes that you can walk around the, the office thing here and

you can walk past someone in the corridor and it's like, Oh, how's it going?

And they're like, Oh, oh, it's, oh, it's so, it's going alright.

I guess I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Like if you, you've surround yourself with these people, like

you've got no fucking chance.

And I, I'm, I'm amazed and I dunno.

You've had this with effort yet, Chris.

For me with kids, I'm like, Your responsibility to fucking protect their

little world that they're in becomes huge.

Cuz the conversation that I'm having with our body now that's

gonna determine how fucked up he's gonna be in like 30 or 40 years time.

It's like, this is, this is crazy cuz you see, you see how other people think

or how other people operate and you, you see what that environment does to

them and, it's so fucking powerful

yet.

So, so few people take this shit seriously.

They just carry on the day to day life with the same shit that's being

talked to them on the radio with the same people that they're bumped

to at work that's telling them the world's going to fucking hell in a

hand basket with the same people.

And you're like, Man, it's like if you, you cut out some of that noise

and start controlling where you are getting your information from.

It's, it's amazing what opportunities are, are open to you.

And you told the story, with this passive income stuff.

yeah, it was, it was like, it was almost like an invented free money

Yeah.

because, uh, it was literally a case of that would work.

And eventually at the back of your head there, this little light that goes on

goes, Why the fuck am I not doing this?

Yeah.

It's open, you know, So from the point of view, creating a business

and creating a revenue stream that just gives you money monthly,

like that was literally free money

Because I now know how to advertised, but when I joined the one man part, I'd never

advertised because people just fucking magically found me and went, Alright.

Um, I'll be like, Yes, I, I will be your engineer, you know?

Um, but most engineers are like that.

They don't tend to advertise.

They just wait for the work to find them.

Yeah.

Um, and you can see that one on Google . If you Google structural engineer in

Glasgow area, you got a whole load of engineers and they'll have a Google

review, . I've got like 57, right?

Um, because I actively market the company and I also ask people to give me a review.

Same on Facebook.

Um, I'll ask people, if you don't want, do a Google review, just do a lot of Facebook

Yeah.

Right.

Um, if you don't ask, people just don't, they just assume you don't need it,

It's, it's crazy.

That is it.

Well, a hundred percent.

And, and if, you fucking automate the message that goes out that says, Hey, it

would be kind of cool if you did this.

And the reviews just magically start fucking coming in.

. People, people don't think like that because they always carry on

doing what they've always done.

It's um, it's unbelievable, but creates huge opportunity for everyone else.

yeah.

.

Uh, but every so often we all, both period, we will advertise.

We've started the survey business, started thing that's

maybe six months old now.

Um, and that's doing really, really well.

But somebody mentioned, you know, doing surveys for new builds.

yeah,

Right.

So now I've gotta do some these snagging reports for new build

houses, because why the hell not?

I can do that.

Yeah.

But previously I would've done snagging reports on things that I've designed.

Yeah.

But you know, I can do snagging reports on bath, and you just walk

about a place to find fault with it.

Like, how difficult is that , you

I like how you think, Chris, it's, there's very, there's very

little tail on all this stuff.

And what I mean by that is the cash gets paid up for run.

So from a cash flow standpoint, , it's getting booked in.

I'm getting paid for it now, and from a sustainability standpoint

that becomes so fucking important.

Like for me, priority number one is going, I want recurring

revenue inside of the business.

Priority number two is, it's like I want fucking cash up front.

If, if there's tail on it, I don't wanna go anywhere near it.

I can only imagine what's gonna happen over the next, sort of like

three to six months for people that have gone for waiting seven days

and it's 30 days to now, six months,

it's like, Fuck me, Are these, they still gonna be in business and six months time,

we just remove all the fucking risk.

It's like, you're gonna gimme the money if you don't wanna do that.

I ain't fucking dealing with you.

Yeah, and you also, you, I've became more confident since doing that and

just tunneling down clients, right?

Some people you can tell quite quickly, they'll just go be a problem.

Yeah.

Just, just the attitude.

. Um, you know, some people won't take your advice.

They'll go to professional, they'll ask for professional

advice, then they'll ignore it.

Like, well, there you go.

Um, and those are the kinda people who will then have a problem paying

your bill because they're like, Well, you didn't do what I asked you do.

You're like, Yeah, I didn't do what you asked me to do.

Cause it was d.

yeah.

Or fucking illegal . Yeah,

Yeah, dangerous are, are illegal or uh, I've had people complain that sometimes

things are taking too long and light.

Well, it's taking too long because you keep changing your mind and

so I'm quite happy to give you your money back and you just go away, right?

And we'll just call it quicks now.

And you're like, I just don't, like, I just don't need to be

dealing with this, you know?

Um,

there, Chris, It's like, , it's your business.

It's like you get to choose who you fucking sell to.

Well, that,

you know what I mean?

It's like no one's holding a gun.

She, It's like, if I don't wanna, if I don't want you to buy from

me, I can tell you to fuck off.

I, there's, I've under no obligation to sell to you whatsoever.

I get to choose who I work with and, what those terms are.

Yeah.

Um, most people don't see it that way.

No, they don't.

And to be honest, I didn't see that, but I started , my business at first.

You just want all the work.

hundred percent.

I was exactly the

give me all the work.

I'll do anything for any amount of money.

I was an engineering prostitute basically.

Yeah.

you, you've got 50 quid.

I can do that.

50 quid, No.

I mean,

Doesn't matter.

Um, but eventually you get to the point where you're like, No, you're a dick.

And recently I've refunded people quite often, um, probably, probably,

I'd say maybe about six or seven times this year, just giving people that

money back and told them to go away and get somebody else to do it because

they're either abusive or they won't give me time to do my job properly.

I don't have to deal with people who are just not nice people, um,

it's empowering that, isn't it, in terms of being like,

it is.

Yeah.

and I dunno if, if you've found this, Chris, in my experience, um, whenever you

sack a fucking pain in the ass, dickhead customer, it's incredible how quick a

better, more, um, well behaved customer.

It's like the fucking universe is going, Yeah, I'm really sorry about our aal.

It's, it's, it is a better person that's gonna be a little bit nicer for you.

That magically falls out of the air like 24 to 48 hours later.

yeah.

Cuz what happens is that that little slot that was booked in,

um, I'll then go to somebody else who's expecting seven weeks wait.

Right?

You, you can go to that person's slots opened up, Right?

If you wanna pay a little extra, you can have that.

Yeah,

Right.

Um, because we do, we do a 10 day service, um, for people

who don't want to wait . Right?

The next extra 30% in your fee will do it in 10 days, . If you're impatient

pays extra, we'll do it fast, right?

And what that involves is me just paying people like the, the people that I

have doing the drawings and stuff for me, I just pay them extra, actually

do, And the weekend or the night.

Right.

But I'm not asking everybody to give up the weekends for free.

Right.

Um, and I'm not certain that I'm certainly, I gonna give up my evenings

and weekends for free because I'm now working basically fewer hours.

Although I'm earning morem, I'm working fewer hours because my

priority is a balance between bringing money but also to spend

time with my daughter doing things.

Because people, everybody tells you all, they grow up so fast, Right?

Um, and they do like, it's scary.

And I, I see her every day.

I basically get up with her in the morning.

Um, I'll make her breakfast.

And then, I'll be home for lunchtime so I can have lunch for her and then

what I'll do is I'll probably leave the office and be home for the back three or

four so I can spend some time with her.

And then when she goes to bed, I'll just start work again, right.

So I can pick up things between nine and 10 o'clock at night and be

super productive in that hour, maybe block until about 11 or something,

because nobody's emailing the phone.

And you can get a lot done when you don't have distractions.

. And if I was working a normal

see her for a few hours in the evening, you know, which would

and tired and,

be terrible.

You know, she'd have no idea who I am.

Basically because you've got this fantastic little person that you're

supposed to be looking after and you're a stranger to them because you only see

them between you getting home at six or half, six and then go to bed at night.

You know, you've got like two and a half years with them and that's it.

Day that be shit.

You know, that's, that's not good.

But I think Covid has made a lot of people re reevaluate the priorities,

um, because there's a lot of people who are quite quitting, Right.

me.

You talk about getting, getting rid of your employees, Chris, like that's

bullet dodged right there based, based on what's going on at the

know.

I can totally understand why they're doing it, but what you probably don't

see as an employee is that sometimes you get paid, your boss doesn't, you know?

But if you work for a big multinational company you know, someday in an

office far, far away, maybe in a different country has already

stacked you, not told you yet,

Yeah.

Tick the box on the Excel spreadsheet that says, Yep.

Chris is gone this week.

yeah, whereas at least if you're in charge of your own business,

you can see the, the debt come in

Yeah.

and do something to avoid it.

Um, you know, you're much more in control of your finances whereas if you're

not a salary, you're not in control.

If you are a salary person, you are electricity bills just doubled.

Where the fuck do you get that money?

I know that's

You know, if your food bills just went up by 20%, where'd you get that extra cash?

So something has to give.

Whereas if you work for yourself, you can take on an extra client, you can work a

few extra hours to make up that deficit.

Um, so I think that my heart goes out to people who have got normal nine to five

salary jobs at the moment because fuck me,

.

You know, there's plenty of people who are going to food banks that actually

have proper jobs and work hard, you know, they just don't have everyone,

zero or complex or whatever new loop poll there is to not be people minimum wage.

that's the other thing, isn't it, from a corporate standpoint in terms

of , how things get exploited there.

And , Did you talk about food bank, Chris?

I don't think we've, we've finished a store on that one.

So you are the food bank crypto and , was it a Manchester food bank or donation?

Like how much

yeah.

Donated to Manchester Food Bank.

Um, I've got, my, my VPN on and that doesn't like me.

Um, right.

The current value of the food bank crypto is 5.1 million.

Fuck me

Um, so that's good.

That's went up a little bit.

Um, but yeah, the, the, the food bank thing, but we basically,

but 10% of the money that people spend buying the cryptocurrency

is a transaction fee, right?

5% of that goes to food banks, goes into a wallet.

. Um, and the rest of it goes to, uh, marketing.

And, back to people who already have the cryptocurrency.

I tried to give some of that money to the local food banks,

ironically, the one I donate to.

And they didn't want it because they're like, you've gotta cryptocurrency.

This is some kind of scam.

If we give you a bank details, you're just gonna steal the money.

I was like, Look, I don't want your bank details.

Um, I can't give you cash cuz when you've got a cryptocurrency saying

you're donating to somebody, it needs to be a visible donation to

the people who hold the crypto.

So it needs to be on the blockchain, Right?

It was literally a five minute job, but nobody believed me.

Right.

So I found a man, a Manchester food bank that was about to go business.

Cause I had no donations.

Right.

I just gave all the money to them.

That's amazing.

And then, then I got a, a tweet from Sally from East called Nation Street

saying thank me, which was like, I was like, my mom and dad would be so pleased

That's

were big fans.

But yeah, it was literally I was like, Oh, that's me.

Legitimate.

Now, um, some d for Tion Street is,

Yeah.

Celebrity rubber stamped.

You can be out on the, uh, out on the, out on the coms

Yeah, so we managed to have some money food banks, which was, uh, a big fuck

you, all the people who said no to taking the money, you know, But it's probably

same as that Nigerian prince who's emailing people all millions of to give,

it's real.

He's really there.

he try to give money away and he was like, Fucking scam.

Ba

Yes, I know.

No, I'm really

I'm a real person.

Um, I don't understand why I can't give this money away.

But it was, was very,

That's so

real conversation I was having with people where I was like,

Look, please take the money.

But I think a lot of it is that people who are in charge of food banks, a

lot of them are trustees, quite old, and they're quite risk averse if you

want, They really don't understand cryptocurrency or mobile phone apps.

Um, so yeah, I did expect it to be.

A little bit of pushback.

I didn't expect it to be impossible to give the money away, but at the

moment, the crypto market's timed.

So it's interesting to see exactly how that goes.

I'll be interested to see that.

Before we wrap this one up, kind of, um, it's not really on the vein of crypto, but

it's, it's, it's in your way of thinking in terms of fucking technology and what

you've got covered in the post, Chris.

Right.

Okay.

I've became quite interested in, in biohacking, right?

People who augment their body with technology, right?

Um, so there, there's people kicking about a place with like

half a terabyte memory storage.

Implanted in themselves.

Yeah,

You're able to program right?

Uh, a lot easier.

And you can use that again for opening doors in your garage or your office,

or you can grab it to start your car

um, but one of the chips that is very elusive to is a payment chip, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, so I've managed to get somebody who's made a chip for me, right?

And it came with basically about the size of key for, And then I've gotta put it in

my hand so that, so that I can pay with things using my hand rather than having a,

having it used my phone or having it used a, a bank card or something like that,

I can just go somewhere just myself and buy stuff using the payment

devices and planted in my hand.

Mate,

Um, and, and I just did it to see if I can fucking do it.

And you've test, you've, you've tested the prototype, haven't you?

Oh yeah, the one that I got works in Asda.

I bought payroll with it and stuff like that.

Um, so I know that it works.

, so I just wanna see what happens and I've got them, I put a little,

a little D on it as well because I'm just a kid and I just wanted to, I

just wanted to light up, you know.

gonna be like a fucking Jedi.

When you walk into ather and you buying your savages.

yeah, I just like,

payment you are looking for as you wave

Yeah.

But yeah, it's, it's just me being a kid, basically, just

seeing if, can I do this right?

Um, because why they hell know the worst thing is gonna happen

is it's not gonna work and it's gonna be a bit sore, implanting it.

Um, yeah.

So that, that's basically it.

Mate.

I fucking, I think, I think those, those words sum up this conversation today.

Like, why the hell not?

I think it's an amazing attitude to have, Chris.

I think it's fucking spectacular to see how you operate and how you

take ideas and, and get shit done.

And, you could give that exact same information to a hundred other people and

there will be the thousand one reasons as to why that, why that won't work.

And you're like, ah, fuck it.

Why the hell not?

I'm gonna give it a go, mate.

It's, it's fucking awesome.

Let's just try, if you don't try things, you, you, you'll never know.

And I think after Covid does an awful lot of people who are quite fearful of

even leaving the house, you know, so that the, the spirit of virtually just

trying shit for the sake of trying it, I think's destroyed that to a large extent.

You know, people are very introverted, the very risk

averse, just generally the public.

agree.

Um, and I totally understand why, because fuck knows what's gonna happen,

but knows the time, take chance.

because if, if the economy's tanking and you have an idea that

might make money, fucking go for it because it's tanked anyway.

yeah, yeah.

It's so

Um, you know, you might as well take a gamble on you.

I'd much rather gamble on me than gamble on a company that I work for, you know?

And I think that's what a lot of employees are doing is a gambling

on their boss, looking after them.

Yes,

Your boss is not even the big boss.

You know, your boss would be psyched next month.

You know?

Um, you're much better Just gamble on yourself and if your brain spits

at that idea, go and see if it works.

You know?

I think your business needs to fail fast if it's going fail or succeed quickly.

You know, the storage things and ideal example, that's

all legitimate business now.

Um, but if I hadn't worked, I'd have been there and moved on another idea

before spending too much money, you

I think that's the thing, isn't it?

It's like it's, it's, it's fail or succeed quickly and don't worry about

too much shit until something's been sold.

And I think if you, if you sell something, you can then worry about possibly how

you're gonna fulfill it or where the bikes are gonna fucking see, or whether

or not there's gonna be covers for it.

But you don't need to worry about any of that shit until we've

fucking solved something and proven there's something there.

So let's, let's sell something fast or not sell something fast.

But either way, let's just, let's just get some fucking traction and some

movement and, um, if it, if it ain't meant to be, it ain't meant to be,

but at least you've not spent fucking weeks and hours trying to plan this

thing within an inch of its life,

Yeah.

And, and don't get too, don't get too emotional attached to

something that's not working right.

It's difficult to go away and let go something when it's been your idea and

you, you desperately want it to work, but fundamentally everybody else thinks

there's a shit idea as long's buying it.

You, you just need to bend it and move on, you know?

Yeah.

you know?

I think you're a hun.

Hundred percent on the money there, Chris.

I cannot wait to possibly have your back on it.

Which point I want us to be doing this from Asda, where we're buying shit with

waving hands over contactless payment.

It's gonna

Yeah.

I hope it works.

I also wanted just see what people's reactions are.

Yeah.

Chris, it's been a fucking pleasure speaking to you, mate.

I really, really appreciate it I'm gonna look to catch up with you soon, Brother

Yeah, thanks for letting me, letting me vent if you like.

It's nice to talk about stuff like this because at the end of the day I don't

talk, like, I don't go with my mates and talk to them about stuff like this.

Cause most of them are employees and just look like me.

They wouldn't understand.

They'd be too fearful to try stuff themselves.

So it's, it's true to talk to somebody who like mind and

sees the potential in things,

Holy fuck gentlemen.

What an absolute golden chair of insight there from Chris.

The man, the myth, the legend.

I think you're a great, like I said, at the start of an episode, no true example

of how you can literally burn fucking everything to the ground, purge all of

employees and still come out the other side, bigger, stronger, more profitable.

Lots of that.

Take notes on it and think about I've been charlie heart and you've been

listening to me with chris Penman and i'll catch you guys on the next episode