Maria Rosati is the founder and CEO of Eminence Communications - a boutique advisory working with change makers to build brands and corporate reputations. We discuss:

• How to [re]embrace your individualism [02:40]
• The people that [don’t] want to be a cog in the wheel [05:30]
• A mental equation to help you know if entrepreneurship is for you [08:38]
• Women in corporate communication who are past the age of 60 [10:20]
• What it feels like to take control of your destiny [13:11]
• When entrepreneurs should turn the lights out and shut the door [15:47]
• The power of community to test your idea [17:58]
• The difference between having the business come to you through referrals versus selling [20:19]
• Right and wrong ways to build a personal brand [21:54]

Learn more about Maria at www.eminencenyc.com and LinkedIn.

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A lot of people say, how long till I'm famous

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And I'm like, you can't quantify it.

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It's just like me saying my business, putting a timeline that, five years

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It doesn't work that way is something that.

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It's a constant on dedication.

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So I always say, ask Serena Williams.

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when she thought she was gonna win her first grand slam as Harry styles,

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I'm speaking with the CEO and founder of eminence communications, Maria Rosati.

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Now let's welcome, Maria Rosa.

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Maria is the founder and CEO of eminence communications, a boutique advisory,

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Maria, welcome to the show.

Maria Rosati: 00:02:22

Thank you, David.

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Nice to be

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here, Maria, how did you learn to embrace your individualism

Maria Rosati: 00:02:33

Yeah, it's a very good question, David.

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I think embracing individualism is a lot about resilience and I consider

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But, I think it is really hard when you are inside of it, now we're

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Being authentic.

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So I feel like post COVID, being authentic and being individual is more embraced than

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And so that was one of my choices of wanting to start my own consultancy

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That was my path was, striking out on my own.

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Really let me sit back and understand my value and how I could help others.

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And, I'd have to think a little more and a little more detail, how you

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But I would say in a corporate world, It's always about reinvention.

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some of us who've had the same job for 5, 6, 7 years, same titles,

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So it's always trying to reinvent that role on a daily basis, can I add

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I want to value that because at some point you're going to leave the company.

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So it's about being true to yourself and always reinventing.

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So they, your skillset and how you feel about yourself is a lot stronger

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How long have you been in your own business?

Maria Rosati: 00:04:17

I have been in my own business for about three years.

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I took a little time, from the corporate world to decompress

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And then I started my business formerly in 2019.

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And were you an employee for your

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting this whole concept of embracing your personal brand in

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like you many people feel constrained to be able to be proactive about

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And, you mentioned also that at some point you're going to,

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How did you feel all those years as an employee about embracing

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The employer, employee relationship generally doesn't last forever.

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Yes.

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So yes.

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And we both can testify to that.

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But what I would say is, for years, I started my career in PR at a PR agency.

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I was taught one of the things, I guess that helped me early on was in my writing.

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there's different writing skills for different clients.

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So some of our clients want more creative, flowery writing.

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Others wanted more.

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business gets straight to it.

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And so you learn to adapt to each client.

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And that's also very, part of my personality, I'm always questioning

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And I think that's a topic that's a whole nother topic that's

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so I'm the type of person that has always said, why are we doing it this way?

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for many years it was like, Shut up, go along with everyone else.

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Just do, as you're told, my last job, I was older, I wanted

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And I felt like the role I had, I was just a cog in a wheel.

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And so I knew that I wanted something greater and I didn't feel fulfilled.

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And I knew that my company had a short shelf life.

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And so I knew it was a matter of years before a decision would be

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So with that, Started doing is, reaching out to vendors

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But I also started adopting certain skills that I wanted, that I saw are

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And so I wanted to learn more about, so I just built a network to help me do

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But again, it all goes into individualism.

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Resiliency, but that's me is so I'm pushing the boundaries.

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your show is for entrepreneurs, solo foreigners, not everyone is a preneur

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but I would say probably most solopreneurs entrepreneurs have some sort of.

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Pushing the brown is resiliency.

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Individual is, already as part of their personality.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly that not everyone

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There's some big differences between being an employee and being an entrepreneur.

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even if you're staying in the same discipline, the way

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And I wonder what your thoughts are about particularly.

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If you've been an employee for a long time, how do you know whether being

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whether you'll be better off as an entrepreneur or not there,

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But how do you know whether being an entrepreneur is right

Maria Rosati: 00:08:08

So here's the, medical equation that I went through.

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And hopefully this helps other people that are considering being

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I am in my mid fifties and I looked around and I didn't see a lot of.

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Senior women and corporate communications.

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And so I said, I could go to a lateral role or, a little bit of a, get a

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And so the risks reward for me.

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Was I rather start off slow and build a business that I can run effectively

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So I maybe have another 20 years left, maybe even 25 where I see most of my

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so that was my risk reward.

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I think it, you have to consider that I also came from my

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He was a optometrist.

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So I saw what it was to run your own business.

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And I think it was always something that was programmed in me.

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I just didn't know when I was going to launch it.

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And the stars aligned, I had the opportunity and I ran.

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going back to what you just said about look, looking

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What did you see happening to those women when their past age, the age of 60?

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I didn't see any of them.

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Yes.

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They get moved down.

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the few women that were around, I saw them, the careers where

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it was, everything they lived in brief work.

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I don't think that's a good answer.

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I tend to see also a lot of women that are the few that are

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And so they dedicate more time to their work.

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But honestly, I just didn't see a lot of women and I.

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The pandemic has definitely made more of a change because

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We need more of a work-life balance.

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And that's what I don't see with senior women that are still around past age

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and I just, in general, corporate America, there's a lot of old

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So that's not.

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Read the chilies and said, you know what, let's just go now and start

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It also sounds like you have a lot of patients

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you just mentioned your plan to be doing this for 20, 25 years or maybe more.

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And what I'm hearing for you also is that you're realizing that it takes

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And it sounds like you have the patience to do it as.

Maria Rosati: 00:11:08

Yep.

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And, I had a roadmap coming out, I've talked to some other solo preneurs that

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And I'm like, I don't know, business books you've read.

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But when I came out, I got a line of credit from a bank and I had to

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But I knew that, I was going to take a step back salary wise and year one to.

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Three and probably a year three would be breakeven and go and beyond.

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So I was fine with that again, because I see a longevity of twenty-five plus

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And.

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But solitary, you can play at age 91.

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And so I don't want to retirement that looks like that either.

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I'd rather work, but other people might not feel that way.

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And they'd rather take the money and maybe retire at 75.

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So it's, all in what makes you happy?

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Let's talk a little bit about what actually it looks like.

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Control over your destiny, like you've done.

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How does that feel?

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especially right at the beginning, when you first opened

Maria Rosati: 00:12:23

it feels amazing.

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And it's funny because earlier today I shared a post on LinkedIn about

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Rejiggered and that it's old and stale and broken.

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And, just thinking of that, every year, the performance review and

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What's my promotion, what's my bonus.

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And it's also, I find highly biased.

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And so it's just refreshing to know that.

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I made control.

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I can run this as long as I want it also, it really changes your

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Clients are hiring me for me.

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So I'm sure all of your listeners, that's what people are buying

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So it's just so much more fulfilling.

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Then, just being part of a function and, just because you're part of our 5 cents

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Yeah.

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I'd love to hear a little bit about your process for.

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Being able to sell yourself, creating your personal brand and selling yourself.

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Because one of the challenges that I hear from so many people when they go

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They're always people who need you.

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You don't have to go out and.

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And look for, not going out and look looking for work.

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The work is always coming to you and you have this built in social

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So you always have people to talk to, especially if you're working on

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Then you go out on your own.

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Initially for many people, they don't have any business at first,

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And so their inbox is empty.

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The calendar's empty.

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They have no social structure because that's gone.

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Your quote, unquote, friends from work are ghosting you because you've left.

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they're all sorts of reasons why that happened.

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But you spend a lot of time alone and you have to get up and market

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And it can feel really daunting.

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And then all these hours that you spend alone make the lack of

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And it sounds like you embraced being able to create your personal brand and sell it.

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So I'd love to hear a little bit about how you.

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Sure.

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like I had mentioned, I had been stagnated in my career

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I was there for 12 years.

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So I would say the last three, I really, wasn't personally growing

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So when I came out, I just continued those conversations.

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But the path that originally, I thought it was going down or who I thought

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But yeah.

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I also realized that I'm a natural sales person.

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Then I could just talk to people and they're like, okay,

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tell me more.

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So it came very easy to me, but I would say anyone that's considering

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And you're let go.

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And then, you got to start your business, but you say it's something that's already

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You already have a network of people that buy in.

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And buy into you as a talent to represent that idea.

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So it's just tapping into that and it just keeps growing.

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David, do you have an organization to help entrepreneurs grow

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And I also did a lot of networking.

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I'm a part of an organization for C-suite females to build their network

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So that's been, really grateful for me to build my business, but I'm constantly out

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If you're an entrepreneur and you're waiting for people to come to you,

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So it's seizing those opportunities.

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you have to be out there.

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and that's what I did.

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I was

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out there.

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Yeah.

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T tell me a little bit about how you can tap into the power of a community.

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Cause you mentioned that you're part of chief, how do you tap into the

Maria Rosati: 00:16:58

Like I said, as a professional network to connect C-suite

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So that's what it was originally designed for.

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But, we used to have a slack channel.

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We have an intranet.

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Their premises, you have a core meeting, they designed a forum for you and you

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That's facilitated by an executive coach.

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So it's just the national network.

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early on someone introduced me to lunch club, which is also an online network

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Of course.

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I also, when I work with a lot of my clients are startups or

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If you don't tell people, they don't know what you're selling.

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So one of the things you have to do is tell people what you offer.

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So a lot of my clients wanted to be on board service and I'm like,

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So it all goes back to the more you tell people, I've done very little

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And the last thing I will say is that is part of their job.

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As an entrepreneur.

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I see three buckets servicing.

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Building my reputation, which is, a good example of being on the

Maria Rosati: 00:18:48

So those are the three buckets that every entrepreneur should

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:18:55

So what's the difference between having

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Like you just described through referrals versus selling versus talking about.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:19:05

I can, what are the different, these sounds like there are

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Yeah.

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And they are distinct steps.

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They sound a little like you're asking, how did they differentiate?

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But it's being at a cocktail party.

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It's being out with friends at a dinner and there might be

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People say, what do you do?

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And then I tell them, and then I tell a little bit about the importance of it.

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And they're like, oh, what, can you help me with this?

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Or I know someone or, and so that's how it starts.

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So it's not bragging to some people, feel, and that's another

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There is no bragging.

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It's just talking about what your value proposition is.

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So what, again, the more people you tell, what you offer and the need you

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So

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when you meet somebody new and they say, Maria, what do you do?

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What's your.

Maria Rosati: 00:19:58

I tell them that I build personal brands and I build

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And then they usually ask me, what's the personal brands.

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And I go on about how it's about asserting your individuality and.

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Setting you apart, but the whole basis behind any find a brand and

Maria Rosati: 00:20:23

So the more you're known commodity, the more people seek you out, either for

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:20:35

What are some ways that people build

Maria Rosati: 00:20:40

I mean doing it in the wrong way.

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some people don't go into it with a philanthropic mindset.

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there are some people that do it for wealth or fame or, for an inauthentic.

Maria Rosati: 00:20:56

Good.

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And I think when it's authentic and natural, People know that and

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And the people that are doing it more for vanity, eventually

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:21:10

Yeah.

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What's an example of somebody who is building a personal

Maria Rosati: 00:21:16

is someone that's building a personal brand in the right way.

Maria Rosati: 00:21:20

You stumped me on that one.

Maria Rosati: 00:21:23

Yeah.

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I think, like I said, it's what I'm doing.

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It's, it's marketing for yourself.

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It's networking for yourself and it's servicing clients.

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one of the things I will say about building a personal brand is a lot

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You can't quantify it.

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It's just like me saying my business, putting a timeline that, five years

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It doesn't work that way.

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It is something that.

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It's a constant on dedication.

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So I always say, ask Serena Williams, when she thought she was gonna win

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And they were doing it for 12, 15 years before anyone even knew who they are.

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And that's the same dedication of being a solopreneur, building a

Maria Rosati: 00:22:18

It's a multi-year commitment.

Maria Rosati: 00:22:19

This is not something that's five years, one and

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:22

done.

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This is I always say a breakthrough is when somebody else notices

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:22:32

Yes.

Maria Rosati: 00:22:33

Yes, exactly.

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That's what, I'm fun.

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Someone finally notices.

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And to that point, one of the things you ask who's done it well, and I don't

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So how do things go viral or how does someone notice, if

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you're just a book just came out, they read something you put

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And then people finally start to notice.

Maria Rosati: 00:23:06

And that's the aha.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:07

Well said, Maria, is there anything else

Maria Rosati: 00:23:13

I think you've asked some really great questions.

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And the only thing I would say to the listeners is, I think now is a better

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the, where we're trying to remove all the stigma.

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this is mental health awareness month, stigmas against a lot of biases

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And so I just say, embrace yourself and get out there.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:41

Sounds great, Maria, I want to thank you so

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:47

Somebody wants to go deeper with anything we've discussed

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Access any resources you have.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:23:52

Where's the best.

Maria Rosati: 00:23:54

Sure.

Maria Rosati: 00:23:54

So I would say the best place to find me is on LinkedIn, under Maria

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Or you can email me@mrosatiateminencenyc.com.

David Shriner-Cahn: 00:24:13

My guest today has been the founder and CEO of

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Thank you so much for Maria for joining.

Maria Rosati: 00:24:20

Thank you again, David,

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Along with the links we mentioned on the show on today's episode, Maria

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As a member of the smashing the plateau community you'll have

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We're inclusive, direct, active, and empowering conversations are welcome

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You'll also find a range of tools and resources to support your

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If you are committed to getting your consulting business, to grow on your

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supporting the lifestyle you want and you don't want to do it alone.

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I invite you to apply to become a member of the smashing the plateau community.

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Learn more@smashingtheplateau.com.

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