Have you ever heard the slogan “Black Privilege”? Most, I think would say no. My guest Pastor Roy Niedfeldt will discuss what he terms black privilege and why it’s so important that it’s recognized.

Pastor Roy Niedfeldt was born and raised in Cudahy, Wisconsin a southeastern suburb of Milwaukee. For several years, he pastored his church and ran a charity for the previously incarcerated. At this time, he and his wife are looking at possibly doing a church plant. In the interim, they attend Evolve Church on North 76th Street in Milwaukee.

Show Highlights:

 ·  Why he wrote the article “Black Privilege”

·   Community’s reaction to George Floyd's killing

·   The Slogan “White Privilege” comes out

·   God wants us to see the good in people

·   Spirituality is very important

·   Black people’s great spiritual heritage

·   Slavery – In suffering people cry out to God

·   White people in America shifting away from God

·   Black people pass down spirituality to children

·   The advantage of spirituality

·   The response to his article “Black Privilege”

·    Black young people see themselves as lower

In next week’s episode, we will conclude this interview. Be sure to tune in then.

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praise God for the black grandparents

and their parents and the generations

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of black people who've passed down

very specifically their faith in God.

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I can't tell you how many kids

I talked to and they're like,

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Oh, my grandma's a minister.

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My grandpa's in the church.

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my uncle's a deacon.

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And so, there's just this godly heritage.

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Almost every African American

grandma I know is usually a

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sweet old lady who loves Jesus.

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Now I'm not saying all of

them, but the majority.

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And in white society,

that's just not true.

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So there's this great heritage

that Black people have

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preserved and have passed down.

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If white people have passed down

economics, Black people have passed down

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spirituality, and that's something to

be proud of, something to celebrate,

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and really gives them an advantage.

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If white people have passed down

economics, Black people have passed down

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spirituality, and that's an advantage.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome

to a prisoner's pardon podcast

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with me, your host Michi J.

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Today, we're going to be talking

about an interesting subject.

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And it's called black privilege.

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I know it almost sounds like

an oxymoron, but my guest

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today doesn't seem to think so.

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My guest is Roy Neafelt.

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He is a pastor, a white pastor,

actually, who lives in a predominantly.

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Black area.

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And he has some interesting ideas

about black privilege that I had the

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pleasure of talking to him about briefly.

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I wanted you to hear it.

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So I invited him on the show.

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Welcome Pastor Niefeld.

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How you doing today?

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I'm doing good.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Okay, great.

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Great.

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Thank you for coming.

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Like I just told our audience,

we want to talk about, I believe

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it was the article you did.

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It was called black privilege.

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And, , first off introduce

yourself a little bit more.

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I know it's a lot more to you and I

want my audience to know who you are.

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Okay.

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So my name is Pastor Roy and,

um, I, I live here in Milwaukee.

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I was born and raised on the South side

of Milwaukee on a little suburb that

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most people will know called Cudahy.

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And, um, Didn't have a lot of

familiarity with the black community.

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, but you know, definitely had friends

and stuff of different colors and

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different races and all kinds of stuff.

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But we moved to me and my wife moved to

the meadows as it's known for most people.

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And, uh, currently actually called

the woodlands, which is 91st and Brown

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deer, roughly about 10 years ago.

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And, um, it really, you know, has been

an experience to, um, Live in the all

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black culture as a white pastor and

get to know my neighbors and, uh, get

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to love people and know people and

serve the people of the neighborhood.

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, we started a church out there.

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That church is currently not going.

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We actually currently

attend Evolve Church.

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Shout out to Evolve.

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Woo woo!

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Awesome church in

Milwaukee on 76th and Mill.

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And we're in between being active pastors.

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We've actually been pastoring on Tetonia

as well, at another great church, and had

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recently resigned there, and are looking

at possibly doing a church plant, or

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getting involved maybe with Evolve More.

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We'll have to see what God has.

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So, we've had some very

unique experiences.

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I've ran a charity for ex

felons for several years.

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And, um, I'm just a super involved

individual, so I like to get involved

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and help wherever I can, which has

sometimes put me in some crazy good and

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sometimes some crazy bad situations,

but it's been a learning experience

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and I'm open to learning more.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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Wow.

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I applaud you for that, for

your, you and your wife moving.

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, a very, , area that can be, you know, kind

of really struggling challenging area.

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I know last year we had, I think the most

homicides of any block in Milwaukee or

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probably Chicago per capita, I believe.

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Uh, technically, I think a few of

them were off the block by just a

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couple feet, 50 feet or 100 feet,

depending on how you measure.

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Um, but last, last year, I know we had

like eight homicides on our city block.

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It was a, it was a rough year, but this

year so far zero that I know of at least.

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Oh, okay.

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It's a, it's a, it's a crazy area.

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Oh yeah.

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I know.

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I've heard of it.

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So tell us about why, why did, why did you

write this article and tell us about that?

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Yeah, so this article, um, this happened

right after the killing of George

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Floyd, and, um, I wanted to be part of a

solution, and I, and you know, everybody,

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um, everybody was trying to do something.

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I don't want to say everybody, but a

vast majority of people wanted to do

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something, and there were a lot of, uh,

thoughts, a lot of ideas on reform, on

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what exactly went wrong, what exactly,

you know, should change, and how it

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should change, and, I didn't want to say

something stupid, for lack of a better

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word, so I, I just prayed for a while,

like a few days, and listened to different

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neighbors and different friends of mine,

saying, you know, what do you think about

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this, you know, what do you, what do you

think should change, you know, what do

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you think caused this exactly, and, and

led up to these circumstances, and so

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on and so forth, and I will say it was

fascinating to me that I heard opinions

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in the black community from one end of

the spectrum all the way to the other.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And as I was praying about it, I

really felt like God, God spoke to

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me, uh, a few days into that and said

some things very, very clearly to me.

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The first thing he said was I needed

to be extraordinarily sensitive.

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And, uh, there was just, he said, you,

you, you have to know that there's

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an, uh, like basically my people that

this group of people, um, with it,

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you know, God loves everyone the same.

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Let me just.

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say that first.

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I don't believe God

distinguishes us by color.

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But to say that humans haven't and

don't, um, often do it, it would just

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be a pure factual lie on its face.

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And so I just felt like God spoke

to me and said, you need to be

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incredibly sensitive towards

the African American community.

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They've been through a lot of pain.

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You know, and and I just really

felt it as he told it to me, like

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the sense of like God's compassion.

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And so I felt like I would, I

shouldn't be quick to speak.

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I shouldn't be quick to, um, you

know, quick to just say, well,

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maybe this or maybe that would help.

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Um, and then he told me

something that I just.

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Never would have thought of and I

thought, Lord, are you sure, are you

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sure you want me to say these words

because there were definitely some

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slogans, you know, that came out and

just kind of like some statements.

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Obviously, Black Lives Matter came out as

a group, but it also came out as a slogan

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and there were other slogans that came out

of it and one of them was white privilege.

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And I mean, that had been around for

a while, but people were using that

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that term a lot more just to refer

to the fact that white people had

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had privilege in this country and.

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In reference, obviously, they

were implying that black people

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did not have that same privilege.

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And so I felt like the

Lord just spoke to me.

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He said, I want you to write an

article called black privilege.

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And I thought, Oh man, my

wife is going to be so mad.

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This is going to make people mad at me.

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I thought, Oh Jesus, are you sure?

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And I prayed about it

again and I really felt it.

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And Uh, it definitely made a few mad,

but I would, I would say that probably

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95 to 98 percent of African American

people responded very positively to

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it, and, um, I am, I'm very glad that

I wrote the article, um, and I'd be

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glad to, to tell you all about it.

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Okay, great.

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I want to copy if you

still have it as well.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It's on my Facebook page and I will,

I'll go back, copy it and send it to you.

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If you want, I can break down the

whole contents now, or if you want to.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, for sure.

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Go ahead.

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So black privilege is a very just

simple idea, but it's not an idea.

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I really felt this came from the Lord.

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This isn't something that I thought of.

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This isn't something that I got

from interviewing people or asking

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questions or, you know, gathering

data or anything like that.

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Um, It's, I really feel God always wants

to point out the good in people and in

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society, and God is not bypassing or not

acknowledging the pain and the difficulty

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that there is in many black communities,

and that historically that black

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people have gone through in many ways.

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Um, but he was pointing out to me instead

of saying, Hey, let's, he wanted society

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instead of saying, Hey, you know, white

people have better economics here.

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Which is true overall, you

know, and again, it differs

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from individual to individual.

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Of course, nobody's going to say an NBA

player has, you know, bad economics,

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but overall, there's a lot of African

American people who don't have as

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good economics as white people and.

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A lot of people just look at that and they

just get angry and they get frustrated.

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And, and a lot of times people talk

to me about that and they're just, you

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know, you white people, are you this,

are you that, or, or white people.

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Sometimes they don't include me

'cause I'm their friend and they

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just kind of, you know, white

people have it easier and better.

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Mm-hmm.

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and in many ways economically

that's true and has been true.

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And, and hopefully that will improve, but

there's a much more important aspect of

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one's life that people are missing out

on when, when they look at it that way.

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And that is spirituality.

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In the end, all that's really going to

matter is, is where we go when we die.

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You know, every, everyone's going to die.

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So people who believe in religion,

people who specifically believe

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in Christianity, um, you know, we

believe we're either going to go to

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heaven or we're going to go to hell.

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And so in the end, nobody's going

to care if you're a billionaire on

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earth, or if you lived in a tin shack.

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It's going to matter what reward do you

have in heaven and where did you go?

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And what God told me is that Black people

have a great privilege that they're not

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Realizing now that doesn't again mean

all of them aren't realizing it, but the

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majority and in America, black people

have this great spiritual heritage.

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I am not going to pretend to know

exactly how it all came about, but my.

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The little bit I know, and, and

people can correct me and, and educate

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me on this a little more if I'm

wrong, is I think slavery had, um,

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obviously it was a negative thing.

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But when, when things go

negative, people cry out to God.

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And so in the history books, in

movies, if they're accurate, which

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I know a lot aren't, um, you see a

lot of people reaching out to God.

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You hear of godly people like

Harriet Tubman, and you hear of

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godly other people who rose up.

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within the difficulty of it.

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And a lot of African Americans

turned for the Lord strongly.

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I mean, you have the, the spirituals,

which I believe is the proper name

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for a lot of the songs that came out

of the, that era and African American

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people have held onto that through all

their struggles, through the sixties,

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through all the civil rights movement.

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Martin Luther King was

obviously a minister.

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And so if you go in the black society

and you drive up and down the streets

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where it's predominantly black Here's

what you're going to see church church

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church church church If you talk to uh

african american kids, which I do all

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the time as well as adults I remember

I was speaking to one specific group I

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said how many of you believe in god and

one kid looked at me and he said pastor.

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Are you stupid?

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He said everybody believes in god And

I thought, how sad, because he didn't

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realize that there's this huge society

in America, which is primarily the white

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society, which is shifting away from God.

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They're primarily becoming

atheistic, they're becoming

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agnostic, they're becoming just the

belief in some other type of God.

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The white population in America

is not a very godly population.

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Maybe they used to be, you

know, 70, 80, 90 years ago.

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But they have shifted away.

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Where African Americans have

this society that still has

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just hundreds more churches.

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They have the biggest, um, um, Pentecostal

denomination, the church of God in Christ,

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and is primarily all African American.

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So there's just this godly heritage.

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Almost every African American

grandma I know is usually a

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sweet old lady who loves Jesus.

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Now I'm not saying all of

them, but the majority.

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And in white society,

that's just not true.

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So there's this great heritage

that Black people have

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preserved and have passed down.

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If white people have passed down

economics, Black people have passed down

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spirituality, and that's something to

be proud of, something to celebrate,

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and really gives them an advantage.

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And I think that's the premier, um,

Aspect that's looked at when black

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people say, you know, there's white

privilege and they're frustrated and

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they're angry and they're disappointed.

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They're saying, listen, I don't

have, I don't have the honor.

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I don't have the advantage.

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I'm at a disadvantage.

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But you know what, you're also growing

up at an advantage of spirituality,

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that majority of black people have

Christianity in their homes and

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have a faith in God to some degree.

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Wow, that is like, I believe that's

incredibly insightful, and it definitely

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had to come from God for sure.

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And, , I think you're right on target

with that because that is what I've been

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seeing as well, , that, , for a spiritual

ality and having an openness to, , the

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spirit of God, it's, it's easier.

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We seem to grasp it.

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Easier, I should say, and I didn't

know, um, you know, pinpoint exactly

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why until you just mentioned about when

people are getting persecuted and broken

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down, they get to cry out to the Lord.

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They have no choice in a get

to have a relationship with

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him, which becomes very rich.

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Well, and praise, praise God for the black

grandparents and their parents and the

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generations of black people who've passed

down very specifically their faith in God.

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You know, I can't tell you how

many kids I talked to and they're

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like, Oh, my grandma's a minister.

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My grandpa's in the church.

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My, my uncle's a deacon.

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And so, you know.

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People have to take pride in what's

important in life and make sure

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they pass it down to their kids.

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And just being brutally honest,

the white society has not done

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that at this point in America.

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I'm terrified for white society.

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When I try to go to a suburb and I'm...

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trying to witness.

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And if I'm in a grocery store, wherever

I am, and I'm trying to tell some

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white person about Jesus, usually their

response is extraordinarily negative.

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They're like, leave me alone

with that BS or mother blinker.

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Get away from me.

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I mean, I get incredibly

hostile responses regularly.

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And I could walk up to anywhere from a

wealthy, uh, elite dressed businessman

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in the African American, uh, community to

a gangster who's got his pistol with an

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extended mag tucked out of his pants and

his grill on and say, Hey, what up, man?

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Can I talk to you about Jesus?

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Almost every time the response is

going to be yes and and a lot of times

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people say everybody needs a prayer

And I think there's just there is large

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differences, you know, um between the

black in In certain areas where it's

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predominantly all african american

or black or in certain areas So it's

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predominantly all white or caucasian.

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I think that's where you would notice

the biggest differences and Again,

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there's certainly neighborhoods that

are a little bit mixed and I think,

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you know, then cultures begin to

blend, which is, which is a healthy

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thing as long as we're blending the

positive things of both culture.

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And I just think this is a positive thing.

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Matter of fact, you know, it might be hard

to always feel that way, like, certainly,

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and it can be super stressful and you

don't have the money to pay your bills or.

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You're struggling with, you know,

economics at any factor of your life.

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But in the end, this is actually

the more important of the two.

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And I think that's what God was really

highlighting to me as well, is if I could

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pick one or the other as a human being,

you'd actually rather be in the one.

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group than the other if you had an

advantage of spirituality, because

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in the end that will lead to the

better, you could even say that

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would lead to the better economics,

because in heaven, that's the reward

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that will last, you know, that's the

streets of gold and the house that

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has been prepared for you by Jesus.

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So, , there is an advantage

in being African American.

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You know, is there some disadvantages?

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Absolutely.

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And should those be changed?

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Absolutely.

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That's like I said, that's incredibly

insightful and yeah, these eternal

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things are way more important than

what's actually passing like seasonal.

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I should say.

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And, , so you said you had a 95 percent

approval with the article in, um, dealing

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with the African American community.

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Community, the black American community.

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I mean, whenever living, living in

all African American neighborhood,

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the last 10 years has been eye

opening because sometimes I'm

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a little quick with my mouth.

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I like to talk and sometimes I have

to apologize because I, you know,

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say something real fast or I don't

let somebody finish talking or.

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You know, whatever.

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So I was nervous about writing this

article just because living in an African

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American community, you know, there's been

a few times I've offended people and, um,

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I just thought, man, I do not want to be

offensive during such a sensitive time

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that I had nothing to do with, you know,

I just kind of wanted to make sure that

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I accidentally didn't offend anybody.

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And, um, I was nervous.

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I was, I was actually very nervous.

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And I told my wife, she was like, Oh,

no, are you sure, you know, like, this

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is not the article for you to write.

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And if I remember it, I think I even got

a call from three separate pastors, all

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African American pastor friends of mine.

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And I think they were like,

Bro, what are you doing?

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Like, are you serious?

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Did you really just write that?

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And I just told them

very point, pointedly.

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I just said, listen, like,

I know I heard from God.

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So regardless of whether people

approve or disapprove, this is a

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message he's trying to get out.

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And if people don't believe it,

that's, that's up for them to decide.

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They think I'm trying to get out

my own opinion or they somehow

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think I came up with this.

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That's, that's for them to decide, but

it's not, it's something that he told me.

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Um, and it's something that he

told me he wanted me to write.

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Um, So when I put it out there, I,

I think I actually boosted it just

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because my Facebook isn't super popular.

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I don't, I don't post that often.

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And I thought, Lord, if you really want to

get this out there, I'm going to boost it.

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I'm going to, I'm going to add to this.

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And I want to, I want to get this article

hopefully copied and shared and get people

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to, to take this concept and really.

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Feel something positive from

God and and focus on what God

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is saying about their community.

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So So yeah, I got I had a lot of

responses and I would say 95 percent

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of it was positive again You get a lot

of african american Older people saying

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amen brother and you know, you're right.

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We do have something positive and quite

a few people who just said And again,

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I don't want to, it was a while ago,

it was during the George Floyd time,

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and so, um, I don't remember every

comment, but I believe a lot of them are

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just saying, hey, this is eye opening,

or I never quite saw it that way,

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or I never quite framed it that way.

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And so there was a, there

was a very positive response.

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There was a few people who just said,

sure, coming from a white past, or

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how would you know, or, or whatever.

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And, um, you know, I just kind of

ignored those comments and just thought,

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you know, I wouldn't know necessarily,

but, but God knows, you know, God knows

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everybody and he knows all things.

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So, all right, so the

article left it at that.

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Yeah, so my question is with

the negative feedback were they.

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Were they God believers

or were they atheists?

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Um, I'm just wanting to know

if you know, if you remember

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that, or if you even know that.

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Yeah, I think, um, I don't remember

if they specifically referenced

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whether they were or weren't, but

I, I do know, like, just, you know,

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I guess just living and talking.

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I love the jibber jabber and I think I

know every 1 of my neighbors fairly well.

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And, um.

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Yeah.

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I'm guessing some of them

were and some of them weren't.

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I mean, I think, again, I think 90 percent

of African American people that I know are

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in some way affiliated with Christianity.

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It doesn't mean they

attend church regularly.

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Um, it doesn't mean they

read the Bible every day.

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Um, but a lot of them just have

an affiliation where if you

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said, hey, what's your religion?

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They said, well, of course, I believe

in Jesus, not realizing that Jesus is.

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Not the only world religion,

you know, almost as if that's,

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it's either Jesus or not.

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And majority of people do believe

in Jesus in the African American

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community and have, again,

some history with Christianity.

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Maybe, again, maybe they're

active, maybe they're not.

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So, I think there, there definitely,

let me just put this, I think there

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definitely is a good 4, 5, 6%, maybe 10%.

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I don't know, I don't know exactly,

again, what the numbers are.

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Um, but there are people within

the church even who are offended.

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I mean, I got a call from three

different pastors, so, in minutes

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of posting, saying, please, one of

them said, please take this down.

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You are not the person.

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And I just said, listen,

I, this was not my idea.

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This was not something I wanted to write.

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Um.

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This is just something that God told

me, so I'm gonna post it, you know,

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and, and I just said, respectively,

this is my Facebook page, and if people,

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you know, give me a hard time and

hate me, I'm willing to swallow that.

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I'm willing to take that.

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So...

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You know, there's some kickback and,

and I think a large, a large part of

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that kickback focuses around one thing.

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It's just because, because I talk

to people all the time about issues

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and I try to listen to people about

what's going on in the black community

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and, and you had a long talk and I'm

sure you could have taught, uh, you

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know, figured out within that talk.

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There were plenty of points that if

somebody wanted to be offended, they

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could have been offended, you know?

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Um, and I think it's impossible

to discuss important subjects

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without offending people.

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How do you have something

that's important?

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And everyone agree.

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If everyone does agree, then

why are you discussing it?

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What's the point?

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Right?

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So if you're discussing something

important and And people don't

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agree, then you have to offend people

because it's important to them.

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It's important to you.

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You have disagreeing opinions

and humans are easily offended.

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And so it's just, it's kind of something

that just goes with the territory

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of saying something that matters.

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And, um, Talking about it openly.

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So I think I offended a few people.

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And I think the majority defense just

came from the fact that how dare you

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be a white person and have an opinion

or in their mind, probably an opinion

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or try to say something factually on

what would help the black community.

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And to me, that's a very dangerous

thought pattern because what we're

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saying then is that if you're not

somebody, like, if you're not a

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female, you can't understand females.

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If you're not a, you know, an older

person, you can't understand older people.

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And it just doesn't work.

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I mean, we have therapists and

psychologists who are counseling people

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all the time who are different than them.

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You know, we have people who are helping

people like yourself in the prison system.

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And I don't know your, your full

history, but I'm guessing you haven't

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been in the prison system actively.

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So prisoners could look to you

and say, you can't help me.

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You've never been in my shoes.

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And you know, I believe

God has given us empathy.

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And I believe God has given us the

ability to, to look at something from

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the outside and try to understand

each other as fellow human beings

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so that we can lift one another up

when we're in negative situations.

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Does that mean It's easy to understand

something you've never been through.

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I don't necessarily know if it's easy.

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I think the more you surround

yourself, the more you study,

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the more you look into something,

um, the more you can understand.

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And I think Within that, it's important

to always have an open mindset.

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Like I always tell people, like, this

is what I think and I'm pretty sure of

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it, but I could be completely wrong.

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And as I get new information, um,

I'm willing to change my thoughts.

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Now, the only way I'm not open to

changing thoughts is if I believe God

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has shared in me his thoughts and if

I'm very certain and clear on that.

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So I don't believe God makes

mistakes, but I do believe I do.

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And, um, I certainly could even make

mistakes about what I think God is saying.

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Um, I will say about this

article, I am, I am positive.

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I am sure that God spoke to me, and

I'm sure that he feels that way.

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I'm sure that he wants to uplift

the African American society

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and see, help them see, hey, we

have something to be proud of.

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We have something to boast about.

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We have something to look

at in a positive light.

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And if they can grasp that, you know,

one of the, the areas that I see in

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the black community as I interact with

them is that a lot of young people,

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they, they kind of, for lack of better

words, they see themselves as lower.

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And they're just like, you know, we're

lower than you and we, we shouldn't be.

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And who, who wouldn't agree with that?

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Unless you're an evil person,

that no human being should look

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at another and just feel lower,

just feel on a lower value.

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You know, if there was a chart, you

know, you're a 10, I'm a 7, or you're an

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8, I'm a 5, and that's just demeaning.

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Like, I don't like to walk into a party

or a group or a church and just feel like,

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like everyone here is better than me.

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I shouldn't be able to speak

up my opinions, my thoughts, my

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contributions are valued less.

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And I think that's what a lot of African

American young people, as well as people

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in general, have felt over the years.

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And God said, okay, yes, economically,

you drive through the black inner

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cities and you see worse economics.

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Then they drive through a

white neighborhood and you see,

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well, most people own a house.

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Most people, you know, have several cars.

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Most people's kids are,

you know, going to college.

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The schools are better.

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These are, these are facts that,

that we need to change as a society.

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But also when they drive through

the African American neighborhoods,

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they should see church,

church, church, church, church.

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And you drive through.

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White America and you you just don't

see that many churches anymore.

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Matter of fact, the churches

are closing at an alarming rate.

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And so You know, there's,

there's more than just economics.

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Economics are a huge deal, and I

actually think they're, uh, one of the

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biggest deals that, that need to change,

um, in one of the most important of

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matters, but above them is spirituality.

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Like, again, you make me pick

Jesus, or you make me pick my house

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and my car, uh, where do I live?

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Show me my shack.

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I want to go to heaven, you know,

and I need him, I need his support

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and I need his friendship and I

need him to be God over my life to

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help guide me through this life.

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And I need that more than

I need anything else.

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Exactly.

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I definitely agree.

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And going back to what you said

about, you know, me not being in

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a prison system, like literally in

jail or somewhere, , not because of.

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Lack of chances.

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So it's just, I was by the grace of God.

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I didn't go.

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But, , I want to say I did have a

response 1 time from a particular.

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Um, pastor, black pastor,

and he thought I wasn't.

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Worthy enough to help in this area

because he thought he thought so,

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because I've never been a president.

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So, , again, I totally agree with you.

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And the whole point is that

everybody, regardless of your

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background have to work together.

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, to solve the problem, as long as

everybody is at the table, you

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know, so to speak, but when we have

these sort of, I call it prejudices.

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It's not, it does not help with the

solution because sometimes it has

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to be someone on that's close to it.

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Not necessarily inside of it

to see something where the

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person inside cannot see.

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So, you definitely have to have a diverse

of counselors to solve this issue.

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And I, I really.

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Congratulate you for doing this article.

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It did take bravery and, , it, we do need

to see the value of our black culture.

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And it's not being widely said in for you.

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I know.

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Anybody they're going to get offended

when they want to get offended.

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They're going to find something

and get offended about

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regardless of how you say it.

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Some people like, oh, it's how

you say it is what you know.

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It does not even matter.

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Um, I've seen that before.

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So, you know, that uses the most.

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You know, unordinary people to do

miraculous things and you really

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hit on a good point where a lot of

us have an identity issue where we

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don't think that we are of value.

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We see ourselves that way and.

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That's what I see being played

out with the young people,

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with young women, young men.

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They're thinking that all they

can aspire to be is to be a drug

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dealer, a basketball player, you

know, some form of entertainer.

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That's it.

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They don't look at us being

in the sciences and, um, just.

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Being good at math or anything like that.

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We, we have our, I would say

generalizations that we all have

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our prejudices and how we view

particular cultures and stuff.

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So, again, we do need to see ourselves

positive in this and you're right.

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The spirituality is huge that

we can capitalize on if we get.

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The right information, so I think I think

it's a huge emotional boost, you know, if.

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You have to start somewhere.

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So somebody can, you know, when you

walk out your door in the morning,

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you're on your way to a job interview,

you're on your way to school, you

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know, you have to kind of think like,

why, you know, why am I important?

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You can tell by the way a lot of people

walk, you know, are your shoulders up?

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Are you looking up?

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Can you look someone in the eye?

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And that comes, you know, if you

just left your house and your mom

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and your dad are awesome and they

both live with you and they're

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telling you, you know, we love you.

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You're important.

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You're valuable.

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Microphone (2- AT2005USB): That

was part one of Black Privilege.

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With Pastor Niefeld.

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This is some good conversation to

listen to again, hold your judgment

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to the end and see just what you

think after you hear the second part.

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Remember tune in next week for that.

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Thank you for listening and God bless.