On this episode of Hey, Boomer!, host Wendy Green explores the theme of transitions and how to make sense of life's changes.
She starts with a story about Ken Olsen, the founder of Digital Equipment Corporation and the Ending of that company and how it impacted her.
Wendy delves into the concept of the Neutral Zone or Messy Middle, a period of reflection and questioning that often arises during transitions. She shares her own experience of being forced into a job ending due to the pandemic and utilizing the Neutral Zone to reflect and ask important questions.
She encourages listeners to take time for self-reflection and explore meaningful answers to questions about how they want to feel going forward, what is important to them, how they can make an impact, and what they are good at.
In a surprising twist, Wendy finds herself in a transitional period as well. After traveling and having time for self-reflection, she is considering how she might transform and broaden her work with Hey, Boomer!
She introduces the powerful life review exercise mentioned in Bruce Feeler's book "Life Is In the Transitions" and encourages listeners to download the life vitality assessment from her website to assess their feelings and validate their experiences.
Throughout the episode, Wendy shares personal anecdotes and lessons from her own life's transitions, emphasizing that change is constant and that each person's transition journey is individual.
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Hello, and welcome to hey, Boomer. So
Speaker:good to be back with you after my travels.
Speaker:Hey Boomer is the show for those of us who believe that we
Speaker:are never too old to set another goal or dream a new
Speaker:dream. My name is Wendy green, and I am your
Speaker:host with hey, boomer.
Speaker:I sat down the other night in preparation for this
Speaker:episode to write about the changes and the
Speaker:transitions that I have been through. It seemed like a good
Speaker:exercise being that this episode is about transitions
Speaker:and that I am a transitions coach. So I thought a
Speaker:timeline would make sense as a way to track this and
Speaker:I decided to start from high school graduation which was in
Speaker:1971.
Speaker:Suddenly the page was full.
Speaker:Since 1971 I have been through at
Speaker:least 37 different changes.
Speaker:That means that I have moved to different homes
Speaker:or different states. There was the
Speaker:birth of my two children, marriage and divorce.
Speaker:Going back to school at the age of 28 as a
Speaker:single mother starting new job,
Speaker:being downsized or leaving jobs,
Speaker:starting a kids art business becoming a
Speaker:certified change leader in 2000,
Speaker:becoming credentialed as a professional coach in too thousand and
Speaker:13 and as a podcast host in
Speaker:2020. It would be trite
Speaker:to say that these transitions were easy or
Speaker:painless because at the time many
Speaker:of these transitions were messy and uncomfortable.
Speaker:Some of the transitions I have been through were powerful and motivating,
Speaker:some were exhausting and depleting,
Speaker:some I moved through quickly and others it was like
Speaker:moving at a glacial pace.
Speaker:I did think by the time I was almost 70,
Speaker:which will be in four weeks, I would have worked
Speaker:everything out and there would be no more transitions to go
Speaker:through. Wrong. Change
Speaker:is something we can always count on, whether
Speaker:it is thrust upon us or something self
Speaker:initiated. At least now
Speaker:when I am in the midst of the
Speaker:uncomfortableness of a transitions,
Speaker:I know a few things. I know that the
Speaker:uncomfortable feelings that I'm going through will lead to
Speaker:some inner growth. I know that
Speaker:things will not be uncomfortable forever.
Speaker:I know that taking time to be still to
Speaker:reflect on the questions will help me to find the
Speaker:answers and I know it will take
Speaker:as long as it takes. In
Speaker:today's episode, I want too share with you what I have learned about
Speaker:transitions, the messy and uncomfortable
Speaker:journey to new beginnings.
Speaker:But before we get into this, as many
Speaker:of you know, my grandson and I just returned from
Speaker:amazing grandparent grandchild trip aboard the
Speaker:Windjammer sailing ship the Angelique.
Speaker:This was a road scholar grandparent grandchild
Speaker:trip and we sailed around the coast of Maine,
Speaker:stopping at different islands, even had a lobster bake on
Speaker:an island. The kids learned so much about
Speaker:sailing and not tying and the
Speaker:animals in the water and the fish in the water
Speaker:and the crustaceans. We had a
Speaker:couple of kind of rainy, cloudy, cool
Speaker:days. And then we had a couple of absolutely magnificent
Speaker:sailing days. And in spite of all of that, the
Speaker:educators on the trip kept those kids
Speaker:entertained and they learned a
Speaker:lot. Every trip that I have ever made
Speaker:with Rhodes Scholar has been so well organized and
Speaker:so educational. They are the not for
Speaker:profit leader in educational travel for boomers
Speaker:and beyond and for grandparents and
Speaker:grandchildren. So if you think you might have a trip in
Speaker:your future, take a
Speaker:look@rhodescholar.org
Speaker:boomer. And please use the boomer because it
Speaker:lets them know that you heard about it here.
Speaker:Also, as we're talking about transitions, I
Speaker:wanted to encourage you to download the life
Speaker:vitality assessment from my website.
Speaker:We all want to stay vital as we age.
Speaker:This assessment will give you some insight and
Speaker:validate how you are feeling. Now.
Speaker:Hopefully you're feeling fully vitalized. But
Speaker:does the quality and meaning of your life, is
Speaker:it giving you enough sustained energy to do the things you want to
Speaker:do? Or possibly you're feeling half empty, and
Speaker:so it's a little bit difficult to find the energy
Speaker:to do the things you do you want to do? Or
Speaker:is it time to take stock and to really look at your
Speaker:life and think about what you need to let go of what you might want
Speaker:to add to get back that feeling of vitality?
Speaker:So download the assessment, the vitality assessment from the
Speaker:Boomer Biz home page, and then
Speaker:I'm available to talk, right? So if you would like to
Speaker:chat and schedule some time, I'm setting aside
Speaker:time on Thursdays, and you can use my
Speaker:calendar link to schedule some time. I will be
Speaker:putting this link in the show notes, and I look forward
Speaker:to talking to you because I like to know that you are there
Speaker:and I am here for you. All
Speaker:right, so let's get into the
Speaker:episode. I want to start
Speaker:this episode with a story about a man named
Speaker:Ken Olsen. Ken was the founder of
Speaker:Digital Equipment inspiration, or Dec as I knew
Speaker:it, and maybe some of you even remember that
Speaker:company. At its peak in the late eighty s,
Speaker:it grew to over 120,000 employees
Speaker:with operations in 95 countries.
Speaker:And as a technology company, it was surpassed
Speaker:only in size by IBM.
Speaker:Dec was an engineers company.
Speaker:Hey hired really smart people and then they turned
Speaker:them loose to create products and solutions.
Speaker:I worked for Dec during the heydays. I worked with
Speaker:customers to support them and train them on the
Speaker:products that were created by those really smart
Speaker:engineers. We all felt
Speaker:empowered, respected, and we were given so many
Speaker:opportunities to learn and advance.
Speaker:The problems began when Ken
Speaker:Olsen came to believe that the personal computer
Speaker:would never survive as a product.
Speaker:He could not envision people having a personal
Speaker:computer on their desktops. And in
Speaker:1992, the board forced him to resign.
Speaker:Six years later, compaq purchased Deck for
Speaker:$9.6 billion. I watched
Speaker:the company downsize and sell off parts of the
Speaker:organization after Mr. Olsen was forced out.
Speaker:And in 1995, the downsizing hit me
Speaker:at our stage of life. Change comes in many
Speaker:forms. It could be the loss of a job through a layoff
Speaker:or retirement. It could be the loss of a
Speaker:spouse, sibling, or parent. It might
Speaker:be the loss of some of our physical abilities.
Speaker:Maybe you've moved from your longtime family home
Speaker:into a retirement community. In the
Speaker:vernacular of transitions, coined by William
Speaker:Bridges in his foundational book by the same name,
Speaker:we are facing an ending.
Speaker:And what happens when we are faced with an endings,
Speaker:be it a change we choose or a change that is forced upon
Speaker:us? Well, many of us experience
Speaker:anxiety. It can affect our ability to
Speaker:sleep. It can affect our health. It can
Speaker:affect our self confidence and our self image.
Speaker:We might feel isolation or loneliness.
Speaker:Often, when we're going through this kind of transition,
Speaker:we'll feel a lack of interest in things that we
Speaker:used to be interested in. We call this depression. But
Speaker:sometimes there is a spiritual questioning, a
Speaker:renewed interest in the meaning of our lives.
Speaker:Losing my job with Deck as a single parent, with one child in
Speaker:college and the other about to start college, it was
Speaker:a very frightening ending for me.
Speaker:I was at the height of my career. I had started the
Speaker:US. Expertise center for a product we were creating. I
Speaker:was traveling around the world. Suddenly,
Speaker:I was let go, and I felt like I was on a
Speaker:chasm, looking into a void of the
Speaker:unknown. I experienced the anxiety,
Speaker:the stress, the sleeplessness. And because of all the
Speaker:responsibilities I had with my children in college
Speaker:or going to college, I immediately started to look for my next
Speaker:job. And fortunately, I was able to land a
Speaker:job in Maryland. And right after my son graduated from high
Speaker:school in Georgia, we relocated.
Speaker:Pretty major change. However, what
Speaker:I learned is that change does not
Speaker:constitute a transition. We
Speaker:react to change to move through
Speaker:the uncomfortableness as quickly as
Speaker:possible. A transition is more
Speaker:intentional and reflective.
Speaker:Change is what happens externally. We change
Speaker:jobs. We move into retirement. We move to
Speaker:a new community or a new home. We
Speaker:become parents or grandparents. Those are external
Speaker:changes. Transition is what happens
Speaker:internally. Taking the time to process
Speaker:how that change is affecting you internally
Speaker:will have a profound impact on how
Speaker:successfully you manage the change.
Speaker:At the time I moved to Maryland, I did not transitions. I
Speaker:changed. I changed location and job, but I
Speaker:did not take the time to reflect on what I could learn from the
Speaker:experience. I reacted in order to keep the money
Speaker:flowing. I mentioned the
Speaker:book Transitions by William Bridges. In this
Speaker:book, he talks about three stages we go through in
Speaker:transitions. There is now a new book out
Speaker:by Bruce Feeler called Life is in the
Speaker:Transitions that defines very similar
Speaker:stages, but takes a somewhat different approach to
Speaker:transitions. William Bridges calls the
Speaker:first stage endings. As I mentioned, Bruce Feeler
Speaker:refers to it as the Long Goodbye
Speaker:because there is often grief from loss associated
Speaker:with this stage. Even if you wanted the endings to happen.
Speaker:Let's talk about the endings of a full time job. For instance,
Speaker:most recently, I lost my job due to the
Speaker:pandemic. Understandably, I felt a
Speaker:sense of loss, a loss of control over the timing. For
Speaker:sure. If you have planned for your
Speaker:retirement, you may have the big going away party and you
Speaker:wake up the following Monday with no office to go to.
Speaker:And at first it feels great. But
Speaker:over time you recognize that you've had
Speaker:a loss of routine, probably a loss of some of the
Speaker:friendships you had at work, the loss of structure,
Speaker:what you're going to do during those 810 twelve work
Speaker:hour days, and the loss of a paycheck.
Speaker:And this is where many of us get stuck,
Speaker:just like I did when I lost my job at Deck. We
Speaker:immediately look for something to replace the discomfort we are
Speaker:feeling. By not taking the time to reflect,
Speaker:we miss the opportunity for some tremendous
Speaker:growth. And this is where the next stage comes in.
Speaker:William Bridges calls this stage the neutral
Speaker:zone. Feiler refers to it as the messy
Speaker:middle. I kind of like that.
Speaker:Ideally, it is a time of introspection.
Speaker:You are questioning what's worked for you. Maybe you're
Speaker:trying on new ideas and new habits
Speaker:that can be very uncomfortable,
Speaker:because it could be a time of
Speaker:reinvention. The time in the neutral
Speaker:Zone or the messy middle can be short, or it
Speaker:may take months, but it should not be
Speaker:rushed. There is a richness in
Speaker:being in the wilderness and giving yourself the time to
Speaker:explore the new thoughts and opportunities that are
Speaker:showing up. When I was forced into the
Speaker:ending of my job because of the pandemic, I did
Speaker:take some time in the Neutral zone or the messy middle
Speaker:because of my training. I knew some things to ask myself.
Speaker:I asked how did I want to feel going forward?
Speaker:What was important to me? How
Speaker:could I make an impact? And what was I
Speaker:good at? And I enjoy doing
Speaker:those questions led me to this
Speaker:reinvention. I did not even know how to take
Speaker:a podcast or become a podcast host. But I
Speaker:felt that I had something to offer to my fellow Boomers. And
Speaker:I felt that new was the time to try something new
Speaker:and Hay Boomer was born. That was my new
Speaker:beginning as both Bridges and Feeler call it
Speaker:giving myself time in the Neutral zone and the
Speaker:messy middle to explore what was important to
Speaker:me, what would give me meaning, led me to
Speaker:this new beginning. When
Speaker:I started working on this episode I thought I would share with you
Speaker:some of the things I talk about with my clients.
Speaker:I did not see myself in a transitional
Speaker:time. But guess what?
Speaker:Life is funny like that. When you think you
Speaker:are coasting along, questions arise.
Speaker:As some of you know, I have done a lot of traveling so far this
Speaker:summer and I have one more trip coming up to a podcasting
Speaker:conference in August. Travel takes us out of
Speaker:our day too day, and particularly on the
Speaker:windjammer cruise that I just finished, there was time
Speaker:to sit with myself, relax
Speaker:and think and the
Speaker:thoughts revolved about how I was going to transform
Speaker:the work I am doing into something that provides me with an
Speaker:income. So the questions I was asking
Speaker:this time new are do I want to focus on building
Speaker:my coaching practice? Do I want to focus on becoming a
Speaker:paid speaker? Do I want to create an online
Speaker:course? Should I turn some of my content into a
Speaker:book? Each one of these things will take
Speaker:time and effort and I am questioning where to
Speaker:put that time and effort. I also
Speaker:know that at this stage in my life it's important
Speaker:for me to have time for my friends and family and
Speaker:for the causes that are important to me.
Speaker:So I am definitely in the messy middle of a
Speaker:transition right now and I telling
Speaker:you, it's a little uncomfortable but it won't last
Speaker:forever. I have worked with
Speaker:many people who come to me because of some change they
Speaker:are facing that feeling of being uncomfortable in that messy
Speaker:middle or the neutral zone. Hey come. Because they are feeling
Speaker:stuck, anxious and
Speaker:unable too see possibilities.
Speaker:Many of them deny their intuition of what they
Speaker:might really want caving to the
Speaker:messages of fear and conformity those
Speaker:shoulds we should be doing this. It may
Speaker:seem that just moving on, giving in,
Speaker:following those shoulds quieting those fear, could overcome the
Speaker:feeling of being out of control.
Speaker:But as I coach my clients and myself,
Speaker:I try to provide us with space to feel those
Speaker:scary feelings and to use some of the
Speaker:tools to clear the fear and approach
Speaker:solutions and possibilities from a calmer mindset.
Speaker:One of the most powerful exercises that we do in the
Speaker:coaching program is called a life review and Bruce
Speaker:Feeler's book Life Is In the Transitions uses this
Speaker:technique. In this exercise
Speaker:we separate our lives into chapters and you write
Speaker:down the high points at different stages and
Speaker:what did those high points mean to you? How did
Speaker:they influence your beliefs and your
Speaker:attitudes? And then you go back and you think
Speaker:about the low points in your life in
Speaker:the different stages and how did they influence your
Speaker:beliefs and your attitudes? And then
Speaker:you look through the whole thing and you say what were the themes in
Speaker:that story? What have I learned over my
Speaker:lifetime? And then
Speaker:you look back and say, what have you leave behind that you used to really
Speaker:love doing? And how might you bring some of those
Speaker:things into the present day?
Speaker:The Life Review gives people time in the neutral
Speaker:zone or the messy middle to reflect, to consider
Speaker:possibilities. It's a time to try
Speaker:out new ideas and that
Speaker:these ideas may lead to a new sense of vitality,
Speaker:a new beginning where you start to feel
Speaker:it's possible once again to take the time to be
Speaker:open and explore. I
Speaker:wanted to share with you some of the mistakes I have made, and then I've
Speaker:seen clients make as they find themselves in
Speaker:this time of transition or change. And I'm going to give you a
Speaker:few suggestions also about how to avoid some of these
Speaker:mistakes. First of
Speaker:all, there is impatience. You know, it is very
Speaker:unsettling not to know what is next
Speaker:or where our next opportunity will come from.
Speaker:We feel a sense of urgency to fix the problem, and
Speaker:we want the fix now.
Speaker:Staying busy feels good for the moment, but it can also create
Speaker:a situation where our fear and desperation may lead
Speaker:to another bad opportunity
Speaker:future retirement. Simply rush out and buy toys,
Speaker:motorhomes or a second home, new golf clubs, vacations,
Speaker:and they likely find themselves with a lot of unused
Speaker:new toys and a feeling of boredom and little
Speaker:passion for life. I encourage
Speaker:my clients to give themselves some time to explore what they
Speaker:would like to do, what they would like their new
Speaker:opportunity to be at this life stage.
Speaker:This is important when you are looking for another job or
Speaker:trying to figure out what retirement will look like.
Speaker:Don't be in a hurry. Give yourself
Speaker:permission to slow down and really consider
Speaker:your options. This is your future,
Speaker:and you can create it the way you want it to be.
Speaker:After consideration, if golf clubs and vacation homes are
Speaker:what you want, you will be more likely to be happy with
Speaker:that choice than if you immediately made
Speaker:those purchases to satisfy what you thought might be a
Speaker:want. As I am in the midst
Speaker:of figuring out what I want to do next, I am very aware
Speaker:of getting caught in staying busy to avoid
Speaker:facing some of the more challenging questions.
Speaker:Being impatient or acting too soon does not fix the
Speaker:discomfort, it just delays it. It will come back.
Speaker:So I have to remind myself, step away from the
Speaker:computer, Wendy. Face some of these questions. Figure some
Speaker:of this out. Try new possibilities. Okay. Number
Speaker:two giving into fear.
Speaker:Change can generate a lot of discomfort, as we've talked
Speaker:about. We call it the fear of the unknown.
Speaker:Giving into the fear stops us from
Speaker:seeing the possibilities, the opportunities, and it
Speaker:stops us from trying new things. I want to
Speaker:tell you a story that really helped me understand how to step
Speaker:in in spite of the fear. This
Speaker:story takes place in the Cayman Islands. I was
Speaker:down there for a scuba diving trip and some of the
Speaker:scuba diving we had already done had been just amazing. Beautiful,
Speaker:beautiful fish, beautiful reefs, not too
Speaker:deep. On this particular trip,
Speaker:we'd gone out on the dive boat and there was no land that you could
Speaker:see. In my point of view, we were in the middle of the
Speaker:ocean and we all got off the
Speaker:boat, followed the dive master and started to descend.
Speaker:And then I saw it looked like she was going into
Speaker:a cave. And I was filled with
Speaker:fear. The last place I wanted to be
Speaker:in the middle of the ocean was in a cave
Speaker:because if I suddenly needed to surface, I
Speaker:couldn't. So I was very scared.
Speaker:And I also realized I was in the
Speaker:middle of the ocean. I had to follow because
Speaker:if I surfaced and the boat wasn't there, I was out
Speaker:there by myself. So I
Speaker:held back until everybody in the dive
Speaker:excursion had entered into this cave.
Speaker:And then with much trepidation,
Speaker:I proceeded to follow.
Speaker:It wasn't long before I
Speaker:got into what looked like the cave that I
Speaker:realized it was a tunnel. There was
Speaker:light at the other end and everybody that had
Speaker:gone into this seemingly cave, which was a
Speaker:tunnel, had already come out the other end.
Speaker:And I learned that I could face my fear
Speaker:and that there would be light at the end of the
Speaker:tunnel when you look for it.
Speaker:Big lesson. So
Speaker:that leads me into tunnel vision.
Speaker:Tunnel vision is number three and that occurs when you try
Speaker:to focus on the one thing. All I thought I
Speaker:saw was a cave. It was not a
Speaker:cave, it was a tunnel. And when you get fixated on
Speaker:just one solution or one idea,
Speaker:you miss all the other possibilities that may be
Speaker:outside of your field of vision.
Speaker:For instance, I had a client who was the sales
Speaker:and marketing director for a small aviation company. However,
Speaker:the owner was not sharing information with him
Speaker:and it seemed like the investors were starting to become
Speaker:uncomfortable with their investment in the firm.
Speaker:When we started talking about this, the only
Speaker:option he saw was to push harder for more
Speaker:communication, more access to clients, more heads down,
Speaker:more hard work. As he was able to
Speaker:see that there might be other options
Speaker:outside of the company he was working for, as well as inside,
Speaker:he was able to think about more choices.
Speaker:We always have choices,
Speaker:even if the choice is not to make a choice.
Speaker:I encourage my clients to broaden their lens,
Speaker:to imagine that there are other possibilities
Speaker:and to name what some of them might be. When
Speaker:that happens, it is like they suddenly
Speaker:see sunlight, like they are coming out of the
Speaker:dark in the tunnel. And amazing new opportunities
Speaker:and possibilities begin showing up in their lives.
Speaker:As I mentioned before, I have four opportunities that seem worth
Speaker:exploring for what I'm going to do next. Maybe there
Speaker:are more, or maybe a combination of two or three of these
Speaker:will become the way to go. The ultimate question will
Speaker:be, which of these opportunities will give my life
Speaker:meaning and bring me some of the income I
Speaker:desire?
Speaker:Number four is the analysis paralysis. Once
Speaker:people begin seeing possibilities, they may actually
Speaker:become the victim of analysis paralysis.
Speaker:This is actually another way of giving into fear. We get
Speaker:so involved with the Internet now
Speaker:and Google, and we start researching, researching, researching. We just need to know
Speaker:one more thing, one more detail before we can make that decision.
Speaker:And it's the fear of making the wrong decision.
Speaker:And it can stop us from moving forward because
Speaker:we just don't know which option to try. We just feel like we don't have
Speaker:enough information. If you're
Speaker:the type of person who likes too talk things over, you will also be
Speaker:getting lots of different opinions and advice from
Speaker:people that you talk to. And if this happens,
Speaker:I would encourage you to make a list of the top
Speaker:three, maybe five things
Speaker:possibilities in the order that excite you.
Speaker:Then, starting with the first one, ask yourself,
Speaker:what do I have to do to make this possibility
Speaker:a reality? And then
Speaker:start doing it. Take
Speaker:some action. It does not mean that
Speaker:you are stuck with that option, but you will feel more
Speaker:empowered once you start to move. Look at it as a
Speaker:science experiment. Test the possible solution.
Speaker:If it's not the right solution for you, move on to the next
Speaker:possibility in your list.
Speaker:And finally, many of us find
Speaker:that we hold ourselves back with our
Speaker:idea that I'm very independent. I don't need to ask
Speaker:for help. I have to go this alone.
Speaker:And so people that have just lost jobs, suddenly they're on the job
Speaker:board search. They're not going out of their house to
Speaker:network. They don't boomer anyone because they don't want to
Speaker:be a burden. We are humans, and we need
Speaker:people. We are designed that way. Asking
Speaker:for support or help takes courage.
Speaker:Receiving or help or support in difficult times can
Speaker:nourish you. I decided
Speaker:to be open about the current transition I'm going through
Speaker:because I feel your support. Being
Speaker:part of this hey boomer community is powerful, and I
Speaker:appreciate the feedback I get from you. I am
Speaker:here for you, and I know you are there for me.
Speaker:Transitions can be a time of tremendous personal growth
Speaker:and a time of learning. I want to
Speaker:share with you a quote from Eric Roth, who
Speaker:wrote the screenplay for The Curious Case of Benjamin
Speaker:Buttons. Remember that show?
Speaker:It goes like this for what it's
Speaker:worth, it's never too late
Speaker:to be whoever you want to be.
Speaker:There's no time limit. Stop whenever you
Speaker:want. You can change or stay the
Speaker:same there are no rules too. This thing,
Speaker:you can make the best or worst of it. I hope
Speaker:you make the best of it. And I hope you see things that
Speaker:startle you. I hope you feel things that you never
Speaker:felt before. I hope you meet people with a
Speaker:different point of view. I hope you
Speaker:live a life you're proud of.
Speaker:If you find that you're not, I hope you have the courage
Speaker:to start over again.
Speaker:So thanks for tuning in today and letting me share with you.
Speaker:I hope this was useful and meaningful.
Speaker:Be sure to download the vitality assessment
Speaker:from the Boomer Biz web page.
Speaker:And when you are considering travel, check out
Speaker:roadscholar.org.
Speaker:Boomer.
Speaker:Our guest for next week is going to be Dr. David
Speaker:Bernstein. He is a retired physician and
Speaker:gerontologist. He's going to talk to us about
Speaker:living a long, healthy and
Speaker:fulfilling life, something I think we all aspire
Speaker:to. And I'd like to leave you with
Speaker:the belief that we can all live with curiosity,
Speaker:live with relevance and live with courage. And
Speaker:remember that we are never too old to set another
Speaker:goal or dream a new dream.
Speaker:My name is Wendy Green and this has been in hey,