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Paleo Ayurveda and Spartan Yoga - Vie Binga & Tim Ganley EPISODE 1, BONUS EPISODE, 31st August 2020
The Meat of Ayurveda - Part 1

The Meat of Ayurveda - Part 1

Special Edition Series for the month of September!

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Tim: Hello, this is Tim

Vie: And this is Vie. And we welcome you to another episode of the spartan mind strength podcast.

Tim: This is actually a special edition because for the month of September, I am going to be a featured chef

Vie: For US Wellness Meats.

Tim: Yup. And we’re going to be talking on this series which will be all of September about why meat, meat, not vegetables, but meat is actually a huge part of the ancient ayurveda. It is what made people thrive, not just survive and not die, but thrive.

Vie: Yes. Thats’ the key word. Thrive. Stay tuned. We’ll be right back.

Tim: And we’re back. But first, did you subscribe, did you like, did you share, did you tell all your friends, did you

Vie: Leave a review - I’m not sure we should be asking for a review during this one.

Tim: And then did you start following

Vie: Us wellness meats an amazing, amazing company

Tim: But don’t follow them because if you do we won’t be able to get our meat from them because too many people will be buying meat. No. US wellness is a company that we’ve been working with for several years. we get a lot of food from them and they carry rabbit and duck and chicken, and lamb. And, I think I’ve seen goat once, and

Vie: It varies. Because the idea is

Tim: Cow, pig

Vie: Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. And, and a lot of organ meat. Yes. And it varies, you never know because they are, they truly follow the process of ayurveda in terms of that dynamic balance with the environment. It depends what nature gives what time.

Tim: And it’s one of the few companies that we can actually find organ meat. I think so many butchers just throw out some of the stuff or save it for themselves, but it’s usually very difficult to get a lot of the organ meat that we can get from them. And organ meat, when it’s in a recipe it’s called

Vie: Offal. It’s o — double f — a — l

Tim: I did not know that until they sent us a letter saying you’re, you’re making some offal recipes.

Vie: Yes. You actually read awful. But it’s like, no

Tim: They taste that bad. So, can you tell me a little bit as we go into this, can you tell me a little bit about why raw vegetables, because I want to go into vegetables first and why there’s this, there’s this thought that ayurveda is all about being vegetarian, and now I even see vegan and some of the conferences that we went and taught at, they even wanted us to cut out fat.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: A lady got up and said that olive oil is terrible for you. You need to quit eating olive oil. You should only eat olives off the tree. And if you’ve ever eaten olives off the tree, you’ll never listen to that lady again. But they shifted, some people are trying to actually shift ayurveda even to be stricter and taking away more and more of the food that actually helps us thrive. And they’re doing it in the name of ayurveda. But in reality, it’s in the name of control.

Vie: Exactly. It is fully in the name of control. And actually that lady didn’t just attack olive oil, she attacked ghee which is the foundation of ayurveda.

Tim: Yeah. She wanted people to quit ghee.

Vie: But you can say, well, ghee comes from animal whereas olive oil comes, you know, from the tree. That’s how deranged her thoughts, her opinions were. So, the thing is, actually, it is, it’s a matter of interpretation. The texts, the true ayurveda texts were written before 500 AD and they were written in Sanskrit. So when, as anyone can probably guess, when you translate something from one language to another, you can actually give your own interpretation.

Tim: Yup, and Sanskrit is an ancient language. And most people in India don’t

Vie: Don’t speak Sanskrit.

Tim: So you as a Greek who actually understands ancient Greek understands French, understands English, and also studied Sanskrit can translate better than somebody that maybe that talks a different language, but has never actually studied Sanskrit.

Vie: Exactly, exactly. Because also, it’s the concept, is you have, you have to understand Sanskrit and you have to understand how languages are formed and how they, how they actually give the meaning of the word within a specific context. In ayurveda, the path to health, the path to health says that one who eats wholesome food. That’s how it is translated in pretty much every ayurveda book, every Ayurvedic school in the West. Wholesome food. Well, what comes to mind when you say wholesome food today?

Tim: Today, I see fields of corn, I see fruits, apples, oranges,

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: Because we’ve been taught six to eight, or seven to nine

Vie: Meals

Tim: of servings of fruits and vegetables.

Vie: Exactly, exactly. And also when you add in there the concept of prana, which they, life force when, when you hear over and over that you want food that gives you life, food that has life and gives you life and food that’s fresh and not out of a bag, and all those other things they add to it, what are you going to think?

Vie: So that’s how they started pushing that in terms of Ayurveda, specifically. Saying, well, the text says this and that’s where I’m going to take it. It’s like, it is like they went to school to like fifth grade and never made it to sixth grade. It is like they only read that particular thing, and never read the rest of it.

Tim: And never studied, never looked into more.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: Also I want to go into real quick is, I was taught in one of my two hundreds that Raja or Tamas first is meat, dead meat. And tamas is bad.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: So you want to get all of that meat out of your system. And then rajas is garlic, onions, coffee.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: So you want to quit drinking coffee, not drink alcohol. I think alcohol was rajas also and or tamas.

Vie: Oh yeah

Tim: And then, but sattva is fields of wheat, fields of fresh fruit, fields of all this stuff. And the only way you can become one with God or find that enlightenment is to cut out tamas, cut out Raja and cut out sattva. Go to sattva, but then when sattva, you have to get rid of sattva in order to find that enlightenment.

Vie: Yes, exactly.

Tim: So at the end, you have to get rid of the fruits and vegetables, and everything.

Vie: Absolutely, and that’s yeah.

Tim: But I actually think that cutting out coffee and meat might be more hell than enlightenment.

Vie: Yeah, well that’s the whole thing of confusing, confusing the yogic path with what ayurveda says. And that’s actually the source of a lot of the confusion. Ayurveda was written by 500 AD, Ayurveda was written

Tim: Before 500 AD.

Vie: Yes, before, before 500 AD, everything ends there, It was written to help people thrive. Ayurveda was saying, this is the idea of what you should be doing to get to be as healthy as possible in the full sense of the term health, which we’ll get into it a little bit later. The, yogic path, the yogic path is to actually, as it was interpreted through the yoga sutras, and that’s how most people take it, is, is about dying. Finding that enlightenment becoming one with God, eliminating, eliminating, eliminating — eliminate coffee, alcohol,

Tim: Living in a cave, you do everything you can do to get

Vie: Live in a cave, eat as little fruit as possible, and then having to eliminate the fruit too, and the grains and all that stuff. That’s about dying. So what you actually, what you are actually doing is getting rid of the body. You are, you don’t want to give it any nutrition because you don’t want it to live. You are trying to kill it. So you are actually trying to eliminate the body, to go into a complete different level, that you may find, you may not, it depends. And then actually move on to a different dimension, whatever you want to call it.

Tim: Let’s move on to a break. And we’ll be right back in a couple of minutes.

Vie: Stay tuned.

11:40 Tim: And we’re back, and we’re talking about the ayurvedic path to health and the yogic journey. Two different things. Ayurvedic path to health is about being healthy so that you can thrive.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: The yogic path to, the yogic path is to find enlightenment so that you can die.

Vie: Exactly. And actually the path to health, the ayurvedic path to health, starts with, one who eats wholesome food and ends with, and serves others. So,

Tim: Which is different than the yogic path.

Vie: Exactly, exactly, than the Yogic path. Serves others means you are a part of a community. It even talks about gives and forgives, and serves others. That’s being part of a community.

Tim: So when we’re looking at ayurveda, that is, and they call it the sister science to yoga and it could be, it’s a, it’s a good marketing thing, great marketing. But they are two completely different paths.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: That’s like saying what, I don’t even know what to say. So when we’re looking at ayurveda, we’re looking at being healthy, doing the best you can to be healthy. And when we’re looking at yoga, the yogic path, we’re looking at finding God.

Vie: Yes. And when we say the yogic, when we say yoga, not yoga as in practicing yoga, the physical aspect of yoga.

Tim: Because that’s not even yoga.

Vie: Yes. It’s the yogic path as interpreted by the yoga sutras. Exactly.

Tim: So again, the yoga yogic path is about eliminating meats and then eliminating fruits and then eliminating vegetables, fresh vegetables, eliminating grains, and only living on water and then eliminating that and then eliminating yourself

Vie: It is gradual elimination of, of nutrition in order to get rid of the body.

Tim: So, so where Ayurveda is about being extremely healthy.

Vie: Exactly. Being as healthy as you can be in order to serve your community, two completely different things.

Tim: Okay. Now I want to get again, back into vegetables then this is going to just be a quick one but, raw.

Vie: Yes. Raw. So ayurveda says that raw foods are very hard on the digestion because you, you require a lot more energy to actually break them down in order to absorb the nutrients. So ayurveda says that our, that our goal for a, for a really healthy life is to have balanced, balanced digestion and to have as strong of a digestion as possible.

Tim: What does balanced mean?

Vie: Balanced means

Tim: Because that’s something that everybody says, but nobody really explains.

Vie: Exactly. So balanced digestion means that you have to have balanced doshas in there. Balanced doshas, Vata, Pitta, Kapha, in terms of your digestion. So what that means is:

15:18 Vie: you have to have a healthy gut membrane, as strong as healthy of a gut membrane us possible. That’s your kapha. And if you don’t recognize that word, it doesn’t matter. Think healthy gut membrane.

15:37 Vie: The other is you have to have healthy digestive juices and enzymes to actually break down the food, that’s your fire, that’s your pitta. And then you have to have healthy movement of the food.

Tim: Are you talking pooping?

Vie: Exactly. So that you can absorb eliminate and all that stuff, healthy peristalsis, for example, and that’s, your Vata.

16:13 Vie: So you have to have those three things working in a relative, in a dynamic balance in order to be healthy. And, it’s, if you don’t have healthy gut membrane, nothing else can go right. If you don’t have healthy digestive juices, enzymes, all that nothing else can go right. If you don’t have healthy movement, nothing else can go right.

Tim: So basically you just took a lot of mystical aspect of ayurveda out of it because you gave actually English terms for what those three things are for your stomach..

Vie: Yeah. It’s all, it’s all right there. It is all basic physiology that ayurveda talks about. There is nothing truly mystical about it. It’s all basic physiology. So you have to have everything, everything in your gut has to be in a dynamic balance. And the ayurvedic path to health says it all starts with the basic mundane, whatever you want to call it food. It has to be nutrient wholesome as in, nutrient dense, nutrient diverse.

Tim: Okay. So, and the more raw it is, the less your stomach can be.

Vie: The more your stomach has to work. Exactly.

Tim: Now that’s with vegetables though

Vie: Yes

Tim: But they also say with meat, because there are, there is a book, at least one book on eating meat in ayurveda. And they say that the more sick you are, the more you want to cook the meat, the less sick you are, the less you have to cook the meat.

18:06 Vie: Exactly. So ayurveda says that if someone is sick and again, ayurveda says, if you don’t have healthy digestion, you are sick. You don’t, it doesn’t talk about people in a hospital.

Tim: So probably 90% of Americans are considered sick.

Vie: Sick, exactly, according to ayurveda. Because they don’t have balanced digestion. So ayurveda says the weaker you are digestion, the more impaired it is, the more meat you have to eat, cooked meat, because that is the most nutrient dense and diverse for your digestion.

18:50 Tim: I know we got asked this question a couple of days ago, in one of our teacher trainings, that dr. Lad,

Vie: Yes, Vasant Lad

Tim: who you trained with, a great, great man, very brilliant man said, you only need to eat. He said, eat meat.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: But he said,

Vie: If you are a sick,

Tim: but he didn’t go into what that meant.

Vie: Exactly. And the definition, the other very important definition for ayurveda is the definition of health says: one, blah, blah, blah, who has balanced digestive fire. And that’s what that means. Healthy gut membrane, healthy juices and healthy movement.

Tim: So most people don’t have all three of those. So they are considered sick in ayurveda,

Vie: according to ayurveda

Tim: which also means then they should be eating meat.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: So cooked meat though,

Vie: cooked meat.

Tim: So, so

Vie: cooked meat, bone broth, stews, soup with a lot of meat because that’s very, very nourishing for the digestion, warm.

Tim: So I just want to call this, this little one here and say we’re September 1st,

Vie: September 1st

Tim: the ayurvedic outlaw

Vie: the ayurvedic outlaw chef

Tim: is going to be,

Vie: is featured for us wellness meats

Tim: And they’re doing a giveaway in honor of the ayurveda outlaw,

Vie: The ayurveda outlaw chef and all the details are in the show notes here and also on all our social media and their social media.

Tim: So if you go and do what they say, you could win over a hundred dollars. I think it’s a hundred and fifty dollars.

Vie: Of really, really good nutrient dense and diverse food. Good for you and the environment.

Vie: Until the next one, namaste kala, may we all be well, adapt and thrive.

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