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Could a 2nd Job Be Part of Your Calling?
Episode 41428th November 2022 • Everyday Disciple Podcast • Caesar Kalinowski
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Does your current ministry role and lifestyle help you realize and experience what people in your city really face–the things that are really on their hearts? Believers and not-yet-believers? Maybe God has been preparing you for the next part of his calling on your life. In this episode of The Everyday Disciple Podcast, Caesar talks with longtime pastor, Tim McIntyre from New York City. You'll hear how energized for ministry and life he has become after he started working a 2nd job in his city. You will love Tim’s heart and his NY accent! In This Episode You'll Learn:
  • Your calling may or may not be in full-time ministry... it could be both!
  • The dangers of living and working in a "Christian bubble".
  • The benefits of regularly working outside the walls of the Church.
  • How God may be preparing you now for what's next in life.
From this episode... "Whatever you do for a nine to five, it's more than likely your vocation. God's called you to what you're doing, and what you're doing in there is just as significant as any leader in a church. Even if it doesn't encompass church work. You know what? You are there nine to five, five days a week. Listen, you're there to be a representation of Christ. That's what you've gotta enjoy that and find joy in it and find mission in there, and find purpose in that because it matters."   Each week the Big 3 will give you immediate action steps to get you started.
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Tim McIntyre:

You know, I go a lot into this being fruitful thing lately and trying to help people understand.

Tim McIntyre:

That if you do a nine to five, it's more than likely your vocations are calling.

Tim McIntyre:

God's called you to what you're doing, and what you're doing in there is just as significant as any leader in a church, what he's doing, and it doesn't encompass church work.

Tim McIntyre:

You know what, but you're, you are there nine to five, five days a week.

Tim McIntyre:

Listen, you're, you're there.

Tim McIntyre:

To be a representation of Christ.

Tim McIntyre:

That's what you've gotta enjoy that and find joy in it and find mission in there, and find purpose in that because it matters.

Tim McIntyre:

I know too many Christians that are just, they can't wait for retirement to get out of that gig.

Tim McIntyre:

And I'm like, don't miss,

Caesar Kalinowski:

well, you're giving up your best, lowest hanging fruit.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

You're, you're passing up an op.

Tim McIntyre:

This is what God has, has like called you to do and this is why you exist.

Announcer:

Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.

Announcer:

In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.

Announcer:

This is the stuff your parents, pastors and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.

Announcer:

And now here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Okay, good to be back with you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I hope you had a good long weekend.

Caesar Kalinowski:

If you're here in the United States, and depending on when you're listening to this, we just had Thanksgiving, and I'll tell you as always here for Team K, our family.

Caesar Kalinowski:

What a blast.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It kind of bled into three days of celebration and.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Rest and food and fun with family and close friends and some new friends and some People of Peace.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I love it.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I really do.

Caesar Kalinowski:

What a display, what an experience of the Gospel in action.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It really felt like that, and I've just been hearing back from people in the days.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Since then, how much fun they had too, and how blessed they all were.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So thank you, dad.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Thanks, God, that was amazing.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Hey, I hope that you've joined us over on Facebook already.

Caesar Kalinowski:

We have a group over there, the Everyday Disciple Podcast Group, and that's where I would love to hear from you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

If you've got ideas for new episodes or just some comments on the existing ones, whatever you can find us there pretty easy.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Just go to everyday Disciple dot com slash Facebook or while you're in Facebook.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Just search up Everyday, Disciple, Podcast.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Right.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Another thing is being this time of year and all, I know a whole lot of you have your small groups and Missional communities kind of back into the rhythms of life, and I haven't mentioned it in a while, but our good friends over at Misso Publishing who help make the podcast.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Possible.

Caesar Kalinowski:

They've got some of the absolute best resources for community life and helping people grow in their understanding of the mission and growing in gospel fluency and out serving as communities together and all kinds of different things.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So check it out.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Go over to missio publishing.com and you'll find a whole bunch of different resources, some great stuff that I think you're gonna want.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Okay, now we're gonna get rolling.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I got a very cool guest on today.

Caesar Kalinowski:

His name's Tim McIntyre and he's wife Camille, have served for years at Oasis Church on Staten Island in New York City.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And Tina, I met them when we were living there in Manhattan and it was unfortunately kind of right at the end of our time living there.

Caesar Kalinowski:

God knew he had something for us to knit us together Pretty immediately.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I was like, oh, I love these people and I love this guy.

Caesar Kalinowski:

We were instantly pals and Tina and I had the privilege to coach them as a couple for a few years then, and we've become really close friends and so after I released that episode a few weeks back, it was called Is Bi- Vocational Ministry, the Future for Leaders.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Tim had hit me up and said, Hey, I'm digging that episode and all, and I asked him.

Caesar Kalinowski:

If I could talk with him for the podcast, that's what you're gonna hear today about his second job.

Caesar Kalinowski:

His second job that's outside of his long-term, full-time pastoring at Oasis, because I was with him back in New York just a few months back, and he had just finished up a part-time job in the city and his heart was exploding.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm not kidding you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

He was so energized for ministry and life and people, it was palpable.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I could see it.

Caesar Kalinowski:

He was so passionate and I thought that would be a really good follow up to that other episode, letting you hear Tim's passion for life and ministry as he lives this bivocational or co vocational lifestyle with great joy.

Caesar Kalinowski:

He really does.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're gonna love Tim's heart and you're gonna love his New York accent.

Caesar Kalinowski:

, it's amazing.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Take a listen to our conversation and then I'll be back to give you the big three takeaways for today and wrap things up here.

Caesar Kalinowski:

We.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So Tim, thank you for being on with me, brother.

Caesar Kalinowski:

This is just personally fun because you and I don't get enough time to hang and catch up, so That's right.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's good to see you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm loving, I'm loving this and I'm, I've already kinda let people know they're gonna really enjoy your accent.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You are who you are.

Caesar Kalinowski:

How many generations is it on Staten Island there?

Caesar Kalinowski:

You know,

Tim McIntyre:

my mom and I were just talking about this this past week, and I think it goes back to 18 hundreds.

Tim McIntyre:

So we've been on the island, in the city for a while.

Tim McIntyre:

Few Generations.

Tim McIntyre:

Wow.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm guessing there wasn't the Staten Island ferry when your grandma first got there,

Caesar Kalinowski:

. Tim McIntyre: I think it was.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I think it was totally different.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Well, Tim, I, I really am excited to have this conversation in light of what's been going on in with the church and all.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And you and I were together, I don't know, several months ago now.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Wasn't too long ago, but in your stomping grounds out there in New York, and both in the city and in Staten Island, and you had.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You would just come off of doing a short term sort of BiVo gig working for an Amazon store or something like that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And as you talked about your experience with that, you, you got so excited , about just those relationships and what it was doing in your own heart and all that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

But real, real quick before we get into that, just give folks a little bit more of an idea of what's going on there on the island as a pastor and, and just the, the real short story of the rhythm.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Uh, of the, of the church there in that community, cuz your church is right there in the neighborhood on Staten.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Well,

Tim McIntyre:

the last couple of years, like most churches, you know, COVID has sort of kicked us in the shins to put it politely.

Tim McIntyre:

And so like just about every church, you know, we've seen people who have, who left, you know, when we had the pause and went virtual

Tim McIntyre:

. And then for whatever reason, some people left New York City cuz the mandates were kind of strict and kind of harsh.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, some people just stepped outta church life or regular, uh, rhythms of church life and never came back.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, it was a time of, it was difficulty financially.

Tim McIntyre:

Having to, you know, let people know that the church is still, you know, we still have insurances to pay, we still have bills to pay, still have salaries to pay.

Tim McIntyre:

And so we also, that was also tough was the financial strain.

Tim McIntyre:

And uh, they come outta Covid.

Tim McIntyre:

We have a really tight community, as you know.

Tim McIntyre:

Our people are really just the

Caesar Kalinowski:

loving community.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's a beauty.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It really is.

Caesar Kalinowski:

That's a reflection of you and Camille though.

Caesar Kalinowski:

That's your hearts and it flows and.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah, we love the people we shepherd and we know they love us, so we were able to bounce back, bounce back in a way, I think at least we were glad to get our feet back on the ground again and, um, start, just, start really gathering again.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, a lot of our people are, we call 'em Seasoned Saints, you know, 50 and over.

Tim McIntyre:

They, they were the ones that were the least likely to want to reconvene in our small groups and, uh, whatever else we would.

Tim McIntyre:

So we've gotten, we got back to that.

Tim McIntyre:

We got back to meeting again.

Tim McIntyre:

So it's almost as if we're replanting the church.

Tim McIntyre:

And, um, in many ways I've been really speaking about that.

Tim McIntyre:

And it has to involve a more Missional focus as much as we love people through prayer and uh, through provision during Covid.

Tim McIntyre:

But the difficulty was getting around people because even people in our community, you know, everybody shut their doors and hunkered down.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, New York got hit hard in the beginning of the pandemic.

Tim McIntyre:

And, uh, people were, people were afraid.

Tim McIntyre:

And so, you know, that Missional aspect of our church fell off considerably because we have such a reach into our community.

Tim McIntyre:

We've got such a great reputation here with everything that we do.

Tim McIntyre:

Um,

Caesar Kalinowski:

you know, for those of you listening, they, they have their.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Church building, which is great and it's quite multipurpose, but it's got a beautiful yard and kind of party pit thing going out there and twinkle lights and their, their house is right there too, cuz it's in a neighborhood.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's not like you don't have to go find this church.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Your challenge will be finding parking because everybody's home watching the game on Sunday morning.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Or . Yeah, that's, that's, and they're, and they're just baked in there.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're just baked in.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're neighbors for a zillion years.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You know, everybody coming and going.

Caesar Kalinowski:

They all know you and.

Caesar Kalinowski:

From, you know, hurricanes and other natural disasters, and now the covid thing, like, you guys are there and everybody knows that you're not going anywhere and, and you're both friends, but you're also family to everyone.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And a, a light, a true light of Gospel there, and it's not perfect.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm not trying to, you know, , everything is so perfect, but it's the real deal.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's in many ways it is a community church that I think a whole lot of people come along for in that sense.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And yet, no, in your heart, you're.

Caesar Kalinowski:

There's enough profit in you, there's enough unholy angst for what could be yet, and, and what else?

Caesar Kalinowski:

And how do we, how do we even lead differently?

Caesar Kalinowski:

And, and I think that's part of what I was hearing from you is when we were together last, and you were telling me a little bit about that short term gig you had, and I was like, man, I, I, I wonder where this is gonna lead.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Is this gonna lead to Tim?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Saying, Hey, it's time to pass that on cuz I'm just gonna get straight back into working and making disciples of the people we're in neighborhood and work with or, or what.

Caesar Kalinowski:

But now you've kind of made this shift.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I saw a picture of you posted on the internet the other day.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I had to go, Hey, what's going on?

Caesar Kalinowski:

And you were wearing a very familiar looking outfit.

Caesar Kalinowski:

, Tim McIntyre: you tell folks.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

T The Orange Apron.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Tell, tell folks now, uh, when did you start then what are you doing?

Caesar Kalinowski:

What's this new sort of part-time bivocational co vocational gig you.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah, well once we came, once we started reconvening and gathering the church again, you know, my wife and I have just really, uh, we thought about our future, uh, being a full-time pastor for a number of years in the church that we planted.

Tim McIntyre:

We started as being BiVo until the church could afford to, uh, put us on full-time as a full-time staff member.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, but now we've seen the shift.

Tim McIntyre:

We've seen the shift in the way churches being done, uh, the way we gather, the way we do life together.

Tim McIntyre:

Everything, the whole virtual thing online.

Tim McIntyre:

We just really sat down and had a bunch of conversations about our future.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, where's the church gonna be in a few years?

Tim McIntyre:

What's that gonna, how's that gonna affect us financially?

Tim McIntyre:

So my wife's been working for a few years.

Tim McIntyre:

She took a, she went to school and studied a little bit to become a cna, certified nursing assistant.

Tim McIntyre:

She worked in a nursing home for a bit.

Tim McIntyre:

That kind of beat her up, though.

Tim McIntyre:

She's a small gal and, uh, Loring, the elderly kind of got her back outta joint.

Tim McIntyre:

And so now she just takes care of a couple of, uh, one, one woman right now, uh, in her home.

Tim McIntyre:

But I needed to do something else.

Tim McIntyre:

I've always done, um, carpentry and some level of construction.

Tim McIntyre:

My family is a construction family, so when I needed money on the side, I pick up my tools, I do a deck for someone, I'd do a kitchen for someone, uh, whatever, you know, and then people knew, knew about me, Hey, can you do this?

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah, I can.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, so I did that for a while last year.

Tim McIntyre:

I just, I didn't, I got to a, I had a mild heart attack actually, when I was doing the, yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

And uh, I realized after that, you know what, I'm not an old.

Tim McIntyre:

The hustle, trying to run a small business with, trying to find help in a vehicle.

Tim McIntyre:

I just said, I can't do this anymore.

Tim McIntyre:

So I turned in my tools, uh, and I decided to pursue retail.

Tim McIntyre:

And uh, one of the first jobs I, I applied for was Amazon books.

Tim McIntyre:

Amazon had retail bookstores until March of this year.

Tim McIntyre:

They shut the mold out and it was a seasonal position.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, Columbus Circle in Manhattan, which, you know, uh, we love Manhattan.

Tim McIntyre:

My wife and I, we like to land there.

Tim McIntyre:

It's my old neighborhood, right?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah,

Tim McIntyre:

right.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, Columbus Circle, uh, and I got the job at Retail Bookstore and I, I loved it.

Tim McIntyre:

I loved it there.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, the little bit of money helped, but what I love more than anything, uh, after being in full-time ministry in an office, uh, with another staff person and kind of just like you feel almost as if you're, let use the word cloistered

Tim McIntyre:

. Of, uh, you know, uh, and then going out from here home, I lived in the par short walk home, you know, not that much interaction.

Tim McIntyre:

As much as we reached into the community, it wasn't about like doing life with people anymore, really being involved in people's lives.

Tim McIntyre:

Well, when I started at Amazon, um, very quickly I realized like I sort of came alive.

Tim McIntyre:

There was something in me that kind of sparked because, um, I would go early, there was a Starbucks across the street.

Tim McIntyre:

I'd have a coffee myself prepared for the day, do some reading.

Tim McIntyre:

And just serve people.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, customer service, I mean, really, you know, equipping us.

Tim McIntyre:

What does the Bible say?

Tim McIntyre:

The works of ministry, the work of service about serving people, loving people, showing people kindness.

Tim McIntyre:

And I just, that job just did something to me.

Tim McIntyre:

I loved that job.

Tim McIntyre:

Not only that, but my coworkers, um, just being able to, uh, you know, go in every day and be around other people or whatever it was every other day.

Tim McIntyre:

And, uh, I realized how much, how much importance it played in my life.

Tim McIntyre:

As a full-time paid, uh, minister, pastor.

Tim McIntyre:

Right.

Tim McIntyre:

It, someone told me, my sister-in-law came up to me, she's a member of our church, and, uh, about maybe, I don't know, a couple months in, she goes, you're, you're speaking on Sunday is different.

Tim McIntyre:

She said, or something different.

Tim McIntyre:

She said, in what you're bringing.

Tim McIntyre:

And I, I was like, really?

Tim McIntyre:

I was like, I know what that is.

Tim McIntyre:

I still, I know something was there.

Tim McIntyre:

. Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

But I just love mixing with, with people in that capacity.

Tim McIntyre:

It was something I hadn't done for a while.

Tim McIntyre:

And, and you know, it's this whole idea of we talk about witness, you know, acts, acts one age, you just said, you know, receive power.

Tim McIntyre:

My witnesses.

Tim McIntyre:

And for many times, even I know as a pastor would tell people, you gotta go into, you gotta go into work, you gotta proclaim the Gospel, you gotta preach the Gospel, you gotta witness to people, you gotta get in to make a decision, you know, all over there.

Tim McIntyre:

And, and I just found just, just being present.

Tim McIntyre:

Proximity.

Tim McIntyre:

Right.

Tim McIntyre:

Presence and proximity.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

I heard, I heard someone once, Be the best example of a human being that someone will see in their.

Tim McIntyre:

And so, you know, that's the Christ in us.

Tim McIntyre:

And, and that's what I did, and that's how I, I just, whether it be a customer, whether it be a coworker, uh, and, and I love that job.

Tim McIntyre:

And sadly, they closed

Caesar Kalinowski:

Amazon when we were together.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You had just kind of quit doing it.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And you were both stoked and so disappointed.

Caesar Kalinowski:

. Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

They, and I know you weren't getting rich from it, but it was what it was doing in your heart.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It was what it

Tim McIntyre:

was doing.

Tim McIntyre:

It did more for me that, you know, on that side of it than it did financially.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, the, the money helped, but it was just, um, just again, being, being present in people really.

Tim McIntyre:

I was just talking with a buddy of mine this morning about how, you know, I think some of the mistakes the church has made was the whole Missional thing is that, um, it, it, it got back to.

Tim McIntyre:

We have to do, you know, let's do this missional thing as a church, right?

Tim McIntyre:

Let's do this missional thing.

Tim McIntyre:

And I think what the, what these jobs have taught me is you don't do it.

Tim McIntyre:

You just, you just be, just be Missional, . It's not something we do.

Tim McIntyre:

It's like you, cuz then churches, what do we do to be missional how we're gonna go and hang out at the cigar bar?

Tim McIntyre:

We went and did that.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, or, or you know what we're going to, we're gonna go do.

Caesar Kalinowski:

But Tim, one of the big differences for you and Camille is you have grown in your gospel fluency over the last bunch of years.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Mm-hmm.

Caesar Kalinowski:

, and we've spent years on that journey together and coaching and all that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

But wherever you are, you are good news and you're looking for the thing behind the thing, and that's not everybody.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So just for everybody to say, well, I'm out there just being, but if they don't know how the good news speaks into all of life.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Or their own life, , chances are they're not good news in anybody or discipling people.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Speaking of that, let me, let me ask you one question.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I just wanna put a pause.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm loving where your story is taking us here.

Caesar Kalinowski:

What do you think the thing behind the thing with your heart here is, I, you're telling me what you're enjoying and how it's affecting your life and your, even your pastoring and preaching and stuff like that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

What do you think the thing behind the thing for Tim is?

Caesar Kalinowski:

For Pastor Tim?

Caesar Kalinowski:

For just Tim, the brother, the dad, the husband, what?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Not from a do to be, you know, like, I'm doing this and I get this accolade , but what do you think the thing behind the thing that, why is it turning your heart on so

Tim McIntyre:

much?

Tim McIntyre:

Well, I think we're called to, to be around people.

Tim McIntyre:

Like we, we have to, we need to find ways to be around people and, and I think sometimes for myself as a full-time pastor, I had to try to find those times, let me, let me somehow do something to get around people.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

Whereas the rhythm of life.

Tim McIntyre:

Okay.

Tim McIntyre:

I was at Amazon three days a week, so I was, I was around people.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

It just,

Caesar Kalinowski:

and I know pastors are all thinking right now, I'm around people all day, but it's all problem solving and program running and Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And then you isolate to work on your message and that's not the best way to create that either.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Cause now exactly, like when are you around the folks in your neighborhood or in your city, right.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And experiencing what they're really experiencing.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I think one of the crazy.

Caesar Kalinowski:

For Tina and I when we kind of came out of the larger institutionalized megachurch staffing jobs, and then like when we moved out here and the way we were living with Soma and the way we still live in community was realizing what people really do face and what they really do fear and the things that are really on their hearts and.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Just getting to be a part of that and say, I face some of those same things.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's not that different because of our role on church staffs or whatever like that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And you start to start to see a consistency of, you know, humans aren't that different.

Caesar Kalinowski:

They really, really aren't.

Caesar Kalinowski:

But when we're in a bubble, We're in a bubble.

Caesar Kalinowski:

We only talk about our programs and who, who signed up and who's supposed to be here.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Like they didn't show up.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Who can we call?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Who, how do we fix that?

Caesar Kalinowski:

That's not the same, that's not the same as life on life happening like that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah,

Tim McIntyre:

yeah, yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

I said to, I said to my wife the other day, I said, you know, like when you, so now the new gig, I started at Home Depot in September.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, Amazon graciously paid everyone who lost their job when they shut down the retail stores until July.

Tim McIntyre:

So the store closed in March.

Tim McIntyre:

But I got paid a couple days worth of salary till July.

Tim McIntyre:

So yeah, that was pretty good.

Tim McIntyre:

Sweet.

Tim McIntyre:

And then I started looking, I started looking for more another bookstore job.

Tim McIntyre:

And of course the one to go to is Barnes and Noble, and they have a handful of stores all over Manhattan.

Tim McIntyre:

I said, oh, let me get a Barnes and Noble job.

Tim McIntyre:

I figured the experience at Amazon get me in, haven't been able, haven't been able to get through with them, with, uh, Barnes and Noble all one-on-one if you didn't get it.

Tim McIntyre:

All the others, they say they can go with another candidate.

Tim McIntyre:

So I just started applying for jobs, landed Home Depot.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, was surprised at the way I landed it cuz a lot of these places now you just take some kind of online assessment and then they hire you.

Tim McIntyre:

You don't even go for an interview, they tell you hired.

Tim McIntyre:

Huh?

Tim McIntyre:

And that was the, I was hired and, uh, it's interesting cuz I guess my skillset in that assessment put me at the pro sales desk.

Tim McIntyre:

Now the pro sales desk, if you familiar at Home Depot, is you're dealing with.

Tim McIntyre:

Contractors, professionals, you're helping them place orders.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, you're helping them get materials, you know, large, you know, large orders from the materials on a given day, so on and so forth.

Tim McIntyre:

So, my construction background, uh, this is how the father knows exactly what he's doing, played so greatly into this, that it, it was the perfect role for me.

Tim McIntyre:

I mean, they could have slipped me in paint.

Tim McIntyre:

No, I'm at the process desk where all the lumber is and all the building materials, and I can, you know, explain things to people who don't know.

Tim McIntyre:

And so, um, since I've been there, again, it's just been so incredible to be mostly, same thing with Amazon and Home Depot.

Tim McIntyre:

I'm, I'm the elder statesman of the team.

Tim McIntyre:

It's all younger people.

Tim McIntyre:

Okay.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, and so, um, you know, they're, I call 'em kids, You know, they're twenties, thirties, you know, and I said to my wife, I said, something happens so much quicker here at Home Depot than it did at Amazon, where I've been able to have such great conversations.

Tim McIntyre:

Not so much faith, yes, but also life.

Tim McIntyre:

And I told my wife, I said, you know, we understand what, what the Lord has called us to do, where he's placed us to do.

Tim McIntyre:

The whole idea of us being a witness and having to, you know, proclaim and all of that stuff.

Tim McIntyre:

I said what happens is if you're just around people, enough frequency and so on, the brokenness that's in this world.

Tim McIntyre:

Simply opens up opportunities for them to talk.

Tim McIntyre:

Yep.

Tim McIntyre:

Because all, every one of us, you know, even us that are journey in Christ, there's still some brokenness we need.

Tim McIntyre:

We need the Lord to, to heal us.

Tim McIntyre:

And people that are still journeying toward faith are outside the faith.

Tim McIntyre:

The brokenness comes, it comes out.

Tim McIntyre:

You don't even have to solicit it.

Tim McIntyre:

Just having personal conversations with two or three people, suddenly you'll start to hear and you'll start to see.

Tim McIntyre:

I just found out one of our coworkers, I didn't even realize it.

Tim McIntyre:

I thought he was the little ash as a young man.

Tim McIntyre:

And I asked another gal the other day, I said, Hey, I noticed that you know so and so, he, is he okay physically?

Tim McIntyre:

And she said, well, he, he had a battle with cancer.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, he has a port now.

Tim McIntyre:

He had chemo, and so he's still like, and I didn't know this, it didn't get to that point in any conversations.

Tim McIntyre:

Wow.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, but yet he and I were ready, we're ready to go out.

Tim McIntyre:

He was like, I wanna hang with you.

Tim McIntyre:

Let's go out, let's go.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, you know, let's go out.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, and so that's the thing.

Tim McIntyre:

Everyone's, you know, the, the, the stuff of life that people deal with, Sooner or later, it just comes out and, and here's the thing.

Tim McIntyre:

If we are in a position where we, this is my wife and I, this is our prayer every morning.

Tim McIntyre:

It's worked out where she can drop me off at Home Depot before she goes to her gig.

Tim McIntyre:

Our prayer is, Lord, um, today let us be fruitful in everything we do.

Tim McIntyre:

Let us just be fruitful.

Tim McIntyre:

Let us bear fruit for you.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, let us be kind.

Tim McIntyre:

Let us be generous.

Tim McIntyre:

Let us be gracious.

Tim McIntyre:

Give us opportunities just to share your love and who you are.

Tim McIntyre:

And, and I've seen that happen, you know, time and time again.

Tim McIntyre:

And, uh, it wouldn't happen if I, if I weren't there.

Tim McIntyre:

And you know, my wife's always the one that says, now you know why, like when I give birth story now you know why.

Tim McIntyre:

Now you know why you.

Tim McIntyre:

Like this, God placed you in that position.

Tim McIntyre:

Why not Barnes and Noble . Well, I don't know, but she does.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

And so I'm, and I'm there for this, this crew of people right here, this little group of people, you know, on our team, five or six of us.

Tim McIntyre:

And they know I'm a pastor cuz it comes out, you know, sooner or later I, I have to, you know, let them know that that's my other gig.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, one guy asked,

Caesar Kalinowski:

Go ahead.

Caesar Kalinowski:

What the gig has been had they figured

Tim McIntyre:

it out?

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

One guy used a driver.

Tim McIntyre:

He drives the forklifts and he said, Tim, why you working here?

Tim McIntyre:

ugh, you know, I guess I don't look the type like, I'm you working.

Tim McIntyre:

So I told him, I said, I have another job.

Tim McIntyre:

I said, I'm a pastor.

Tim McIntyre:

He goes, you're a pastor.

Tim McIntyre:

He goes, oh man.

Tim McIntyre:

He goes, I better clean up my language around here.

Tim McIntyre:

I said, Hey bro, listen, no big deal.

Tim McIntyre:

He says, no, no.

Tim McIntyre:

It's like respect.

Tim McIntyre:

He goes, I wouldn't use this language around my grandma.

Tim McIntyre:

I'm not gonna use it around a pastor.

Tim McIntyre:

I said, so be it.

Tim McIntyre:

So be it.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, but, but it's just, it's, you know, I enjoy going to work because I know, um, not only the, the team, but also customer.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, it's just people who come in, they're frazzled, you know, contractors are uptight, they're not getting their stuff.

Tim McIntyre:

Just to be able, you know, soft.

Tim McIntyre:

One of my verses that I lean on in, in retail since I've been in retail is a, soft answer that turns away rath . No kidding, kidding.

Tim McIntyre:

People have this, you know, idea in retail that they're the only one shopping and you know, you gotta stop everything to help the person, you know, to help.

Tim McIntyre:

And

Caesar Kalinowski:

it's all your fault

Tim McIntyre:

cuz you're the guy on the other side of the counter.

Tim McIntyre:

Exactly.

Tim McIntyre:

That's all my fault.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, so it, it's, I look forward to going for those reasons, you know, really.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Sounds like, Tim, this reminds me of, I don't, I don't remember where I saw it exactly, but maybe six months ago, I, I saw somebody, uh, that I follow online and he had a picture with, um, Oh, I think it was John Maxwell or something like that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And, and he said, someone asked him a question like, Hey, what's your, like what's, before you get your feet, hit the ground in the morning, John, what do you pray?

Caesar Kalinowski:

What are you asking?

Caesar Kalinowski:

God?

Caesar Kalinowski:

He's like, I'm asking God, how, how can I.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Uh, add value to someone's life today.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And every person I come in contact with, how do I add value to their life?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And I love that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And to me, that is so Gospel.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Cause if you think about what did Jesus come to do?

Caesar Kalinowski:

He came to put a shoulder under the weight of our sin.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And lead us to freedom with the father.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Right?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Spiritual freedom and then relational peace.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Like how do I add value to your life?

Caesar Kalinowski:

You coming in, like you were just saying, that's what made me think of it.

Caesar Kalinowski:

They're coming in all stressed out, you know, and they're like, and you're the guy and they just need to vent.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And, and I just, that's what I hear is like, you're there being.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're being the son of God, the kingdom of God's with you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's flowing around.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And now is this right on, is this right on Staten Island then?

Caesar Kalinowski:

So this is

Caesar Kalinowski:

your

Tim McIntyre:

community?

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

This is on Staten Island.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

This is, it's, it's a little, it's, there is one closer to me, but this one's on the other side of the island.

Tim McIntyre:

But I see people I know all the time, you know, Staten Island's a small island.

Tim McIntyre:

I bet.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Now let me, let me ask you any downsides.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You can be honest.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Any downsides to like having this sort of second gig that you're finding with your pastoring and all that.

Tim McIntyre:

I think the only, the only downside I have is, um, it's much more, you gotta pay more attention now to how you use your time to do the things that still need to be done, uh, for the church.

Tim McIntyre:

So, um, you know, I still have to prepare for, you know, to present, uh, a study for, for, uh, you know, Sunday morning.

Tim McIntyre:

There are other things that are still happening Sure.

Tim McIntyre:

That I need, I need to attend to, um, some administrative things, but just so it's, it's not getting overwhelmed.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, part of the issue is this, so yesterday I worked a nine to six shift at the depot.

Tim McIntyre:

I came home, my wife had had dinner ready.

Tim McIntyre:

I had a dinner.

Tim McIntyre:

I sat down, I watched about 45 minutes of a documentary I'm watching in New York City and I fell asleep in the chair that was watching.

Tim McIntyre:

So I said, gee, I'm falling asleep.

Tim McIntyre:

I went upstairs and I said, let me just lay down and close my eyes for a little bit, and probably woke up about two o'clock in the morning.

Tim McIntyre:

Nice nap.

Tim McIntyre:

Right?

Tim McIntyre:

So , nice night.

Tim McIntyre:

So I was saying to myself, wow, like, you know, working nine to six cause we're on our feet.

Tim McIntyre:

Really.

Tim McIntyre:

We, we can't sit much, you.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, you know, so last night I was planning to do something other than sleep when I got home.

Tim McIntyre:

So I'm finding now, like today I was off, so I really had to equip myself, you know, get up early and I'm gonna get to the, the tasks I had planned that I need to do, uh, for the life of the church.

Tim McIntyre:

So I think that's the, that's the, uh, the challenge for me.

Tim McIntyre:

And I'm only part-time.

Tim McIntyre:

I was there for two weeks, uh, and they offered me a full-time position.

Tim McIntyre:

Uh, and so.

Tim McIntyre:

I, I considered it, uh, for a little while, but it would've been 48 hours, nine to six, five days a week.

Tim McIntyre:

And, uh, I had right after I, the day they asked me the next day, I think I had a nine to six, and I texted my wife and I said, there's no way I could do this full time.

Tim McIntyre:

I would not have any time to do anything else.

Tim McIntyre:

Um, so, um, for me it has to be, it has to be a part-time, um, gig.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

So that's the real challenge.

Tim McIntyre:

The challenge is balancing, you know, making the most of the time you have the downtime.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And as your brother too.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I wanna encourage you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I wanna encourage you, be careful that you don't have like zero time for your local community because, well, I'm either, absolutely, yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm either doing church stuff and prepping and this and that and having those few meetings I need and they're all jammed into a few days now.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And then I'm at the depot, so I got arrested at some point and I gotta see my wife on date night, so now I'm not in community with the neighbors and the other folks from the church and all that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So just be careful with that, you know, . Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

Well we um, one of our favorite pizzerias, I dunno, I probably took you there at one point when you were around.

Tim McIntyre:

Good fellas, I don't know if i's taking you there.

Tim McIntyre:

He moved his location.

Tim McIntyre:

He's got a really nice location there.

Tim McIntyre:

He's got a full bar area.

Tim McIntyre:

He's got the big screens for the football and ever.

Tim McIntyre:

And, uh, we, we went there a few times already.

Tim McIntyre:

The owner was a great guy.

Tim McIntyre:

We actually prayed for him.

Tim McIntyre:

He was nervous about his, uh, the business opening up.

Tim McIntyre:

We went to see it to place a, a catering order.

Tim McIntyre:

And my wife ever being the, uh, the one that goes after it hard, she says, can we pray for you?

Tim McIntyre:

And we pray for him.

Tim McIntyre:

And he was very grateful.

Tim McIntyre:

My wife and I were saying, Hey, we don't have a local place that we, you know, drop in on a Saturday or a Sunday afternoon.

Tim McIntyre:

Like, let's go to Goodfellas.

Tim McIntyre:

The new joy is happening, you know, so get some time around people you know, again in the community so we don't neglect, you know, that as well.

Tim McIntyre:

That's definitely been the biggest challenge, just bouncing now.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Well, Tim, this is also, I know you're not doing it for this, but we're really good friends as, as people are starting to figure out.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I, I wanna tell you, this is pretty humble of you though, cuz I, I know a lot of, lot of leaders, a lot of pastors would never.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Do it either because, well, you know, we're a smaller church.

Caesar Kalinowski:

We could kind of use the income or you know, the benefits or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Um, but also for the real heart reason that you're doing it, for what it's doing to you and, and, and reconnecting your heart to people and every day, all that stuff, every day needs and life.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Um, that there's a humility to that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Let me ask you this, is it.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Is it weird at all when the other pastors in your life are saying, you're doing what?

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're working at the depot, what's going on?

Caesar Kalinowski:

your church.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Can't pay you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

There's, you know, there's gotta, you've been pastor a long time, so any of that creep up in your heart or head ever, you know?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Um,

Tim McIntyre:

No, no.

Tim McIntyre:

I'll tell you why not, because you know, the financial stuff, I don't have any problem explaining that.

Tim McIntyre:

It's been difficult for everybody, you know?

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

Now we

Caesar Kalinowski:

gotta, as now we got a recession, what the

Tim McIntyre:

heck?

Tim McIntyre:

You know?

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, so that's not really, that's not, I don't feel, you know, in any way, you know, like, oh yeah, you can't pay us it anymore.

Tim McIntyre:

I'm not worried about that.

Tim McIntyre:

The other side of it is I would, I would gladly have a conversation about the, um, the benefit of it, like what it's done, like what we've been talking about, what it's done in me, you know, as a pastor and as a leader.

Tim McIntyre:

I, I think I'm most done on social media, maybe some point when I was at Amazon.

Tim McIntyre:

So every pastor should take a year sabbatical and not go away and just relax, but get a job.

Tim McIntyre:

Get a job outside the church for a year, even if it's part-time.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, let that be a sabbatical.

Tim McIntyre:

Like go out and get among people again, you know, let's be reminded and, and here's another thing that I've learned, uh, that, that really just blew my mind here.

Tim McIntyre:

You know, I do a lot into this, uh, fruitful being, fruitful thing lately and trying to help people understand that if you'd do a nine to five, you know, it's more than likely your vocations are.

Tim McIntyre:

God's called you to what you're doing and what you're doing in there is just as significant as any leader in a church.

Tim McIntyre:

What he's doing.

Tim McIntyre:

And it doesn't encompass church work.

Tim McIntyre:

You know what?

Tim McIntyre:

But you're, you are there nine to five, five days a week.

Tim McIntyre:

Listen, you're there to be a represent, you know, representation of Christ.

Tim McIntyre:

That's what you've gotta enjoy that and find joy in it and find mission in there, and find purpose in that because it matters.

Tim McIntyre:

I know too many Christians that are just, they can't wait for retirement.

Tim McIntyre:

To get out of that gig.

Tim McIntyre:

And I'm like,

Caesar Kalinowski:

don't miss, you're giving up your best, lowest hanging fruit.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

You're, you're passing up an op.

Tim McIntyre:

This is what Goddess has like called you to do and this is what he's, you know, this is why you exist.

Tim McIntyre:

Like, you know this cuz you can't, you're not called to be church workers.

Tim McIntyre:

I, listening to your, your early podcast, you know about these young guys that, you know, go to seminary and they want a job in the local church, you know, and they get disappointed.

Tim McIntyre:

It's a short time that you're there and you serve, you know, um, there's so much more to be doing.

Tim McIntyre:

And I even, I even started rethinking since I've been, you know, a tent maker.

Tim McIntyre:

Now again, I've been rethinking what we call our people to on the weekends, uh, at the local church because I know we've been guilty of saying, well, we're doing this Friday night and then Saturday we got this going on.

Tim McIntyre:

And then don't forget Sunday, you know, so we jampacked the weekends Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

With church activities and, and then yet, you know, for me, I'm like, I just worked five days a week.

Tim McIntyre:

I want to rest on Saturday Well, don't bring any conviction on me that I didn't come to the church picnic or the church outreach on Saturday because I'm, and I've, I am guilty of this I've done this in the past and I say, man, I wanna value people's time on the weekends.

Tim McIntyre:

You know what?

Tim McIntyre:

Let's gather.

Tim McIntyre:

Why are we doing it during the week?

Tim McIntyre:

Why aren't we sharing a meal?

Tim McIntyre:

Why do we have to, you know, again, get people.

Tim McIntyre:

To a place for an event when we could just be doing 5, 6, 7 days a week.

Tim McIntyre:

Yeah.

Tim McIntyre:

Outside the, the,

Caesar Kalinowski:

the building.

Caesar Kalinowski:

No kidding.

Caesar Kalinowski:

No kidding.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Well, we get to, right?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Well, Tim, I I wanted to give you this opportunity to share your heart in this, cuz I know a lot of people are gonna hear this that need to and want to, and both pastors, but also what you were just saying, our brothers and sisters that aren't vocationally paid to work at the church and.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I've talked about it before, I talked about a couple episodes back.

Caesar Kalinowski:

There's these, this sort of like two-tiered vision of the church.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It's like those who are the super Christians somehow make their way up the ladder and get paid.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And everybody else is just tolling away and trying to figure out how to make their regular jobs count for something until they can finally retire.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You know?

Caesar Kalinowski:

And then, and then we just wait for heaven so we can pull the eject button, get off this planet.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You're like, no, no, no.

Caesar Kalinowski:

The kingdom has come . Exactly.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And it's, we get to live in it and it's beautiful and this makes the whole.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I think for me I love it cuz I love you getting to hear this.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It makes it so much more beautiful again coming right out.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Just your own experience.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So thank you so much for being willing to further humble yourself.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I got, I got one more humbling, uh, favor to ask before I let you go.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Can you send me a, a, a really good, clear shot of you wearing the orange vest?

Caesar Kalinowski:

Absolutely.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'll do that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You, I saw that one on Facebook a couple weeks ago, but it was like, it was all cut off.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It was just like, your chest, just gimme a few silly shots, whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Especially if you can send me one from the depot.

Caesar Kalinowski:

That would be righteous . Just maybe that breaks, I might break some sort of International Home Depot law.

Caesar Kalinowski:

No, no.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I'm not that big.

Caesar Kalinowski:

A podcast

Tim McIntyre:

taking, taking the vest off the off the premises.

Tim McIntyre:

With Break Home Depot law, we can't take our vests off the premise

Tim McIntyre:

. Sorry, so I'll take one tomorrow

Caesar Kalinowski:

in the apron you, I say best because my first full-time job, uh, while I was still going to high school, I worked at a retail establishment, and this will really date me, not even everybody will know.

Caesar Kalinowski:

This is, was called Zaire.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It was like a, it was like a worst version of Walmart, if you can believe that, or Kmart.

Caesar Kalinowski:

It was worse than Kmart.

Caesar Kalinowski:

You know, Walmart didn't exist just yet.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Uh, most of the country anyway, we all had to wear an orange vest, the same color orange, and with our name on it, and they would put your pins on it for various things.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Right.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And, you know, I'm 17, whatever, and outside the rules, I decorated my vest a little bit customized.

Caesar Kalinowski:

And they never really appreciated that, but , so I always say vest.

Caesar Kalinowski:

No, you send me a picture of that.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Maybe I'll share it in the podcast group on Facebook.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So people

Tim McIntyre:

can finish just one verse that really I, you know, I really lean into a lot with this kind of thinking, is Ephesians two 10 for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them, man.

Caesar Kalinowski:

So how's that energized your heart as you and Camille leave the house

Tim McIntyre:

each.

Tim McIntyre:

I love that word workmanship.

Tim McIntyre:

I think it gets it's poem in the Greek, like a poem.

Tim McIntyre:

It's, it's the life God's composing in his people.

Tim McIntyre:

He's composing our lives.

Tim McIntyre:

Just the, just to see his providence and me getting Home Depot, getting pro sales, being in a department of things I'm experienced in, of God's providence.

Tim McIntyre:

In that, uh, because I am his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for the good works that I put my hand to every single day, helping a, a contractor encouraging my coworkers, uh, working on a team, whatever it is.

Tim McIntyre:

And I always love the idea of God prepared beforehand.

Tim McIntyre:

I like to put it this way.

Tim McIntyre:

God knew he would need some good news people to do some good works in 2022 at 25 0 1 Forest Avenue.

Tim McIntyre:

In Staten Island, New York at a Home Depot.

Tim McIntyre:

He knew, he prepared beforehand some good news, good works people to be his representatives there and that.

Tim McIntyre:

That's what excites me.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Wow, brother.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I love it so much.

Caesar Kalinowski:

I love you.

Caesar Kalinowski:

Thanks for the time today.

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I like your day off from the depot, so I know you gotta get back to message prep or something probably.

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And Thanksgiving week and all that.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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All right.

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I love you, brother.

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Thank you man so much.

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Say hey to Camille, right?

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I will.

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God bless.

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Okay.

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I really love that guy.

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He is the real deal and I trust that his journey and that just that story, getting to hear him for a little while though, will be an encouragement.

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To so many of you, God is so good.

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And by the way, if you want to get a look at what this guy looks like, Tim is actually in the picture for this week's episode.

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So if you go to the show notes or on your player in iTunes or Spotify or whatever, where there's a little picture next to every episode, that's Tim.

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You'll see him at work . Alright, now, as always, I wanna leave you with the big three takeaways from today's topic.

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If nothing else, not gonna wanna miss these.

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And as always, you can get a printable pDF of this week's big three as a free download by going to everyday Disciple dot com slash big three B I G three.

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All right, here's the big three for this week.

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Number one, does your current ministry role and lifestyle help you realize and experience what people really do face and fear and the things that are really on their hearts.

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Both believers and not yet believers.

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Do you have that?

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Does that include that for you?

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Our lives are not really that different because of our role on a church staff.

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People aren't that different.

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They really, really aren't.

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But when we are living in a bubble, we're willingly talk about our programs and who's signed up for what or who was supposed to be here, they didn't show up, or how do we fix this or that church programming issue.

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And that's not the same.

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That's not the same as life on life.

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God may want us leaders to experience with people.

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Number two, I love what Tim said right at the end there, he was quoting Ephesians two 10 in the esv.

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He said, for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

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Hmm, awesome.

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Could it be that part of your calling, part of what God has prepared for you in advance to do for His glory may not be contained within vocational ministry, like within traditional church work?

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You bet.

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Is your heart open to that being a possibility?

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Well, we get to pray and ask him right now?

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Go ahead.

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And number three, in what ways may God be preparing you now or has been for a job outside traditional church work?

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Can you look back over your life for education and experiences and see that God has been preparing you for something other than what you're currently doing?

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Or in addition to what you're doing.

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I feel like every season of my life has been directly preparing me for what God was leading me to next.

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And I've absolutely loved and grown during every new season, which has helped me learn to trust him.

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And you can too trust our good father for what he is doing in you now for what he plans to do with.

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And for you, for his glory in the future.

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Okay, there you have it.

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There's a lot in that conversation, but there's no big three takeaways.

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Well, that's it for today.

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I'm really glad that you were with me.

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Join me again next week.

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We're gonna continue to dig deep into life in the Gospel on Mission Discipleship has a lifestyle, and I'll look forward to it.

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I'll talk to you soon.

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