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Mom of five, Kamini Wood, interrupted her perfectionism to live her authentic self. As a high achiever, she is called to help others live in their authenticity.

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Kaimini Wood, a coach and mom, residing in North Carolina, talked about all the way ways we can move towards living in our authentic self. 

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“… [A\s we get older, we end up being very reactive, right? We're not coming from a generative place. And so I have said routinely, that awareness is the doorway to change. So when you finally become aware, I'm being reactive and not generative. That means that you're ready to step through that doorway of change.”

“…I anchor myself in is that life is a journey that is happening for us, and not to us.”

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Michelle Lasley 0:02

Hi. This is Michelle Lasley with balanced shared a space where I truly believe we are better together. My guest today is comedy would the pronouns used? Are she her hers? comedy wood is the founder and CEO of live joy your way and the authentically Rise Up Program. An international best selling author. comedy is driven to support both teens and adults struggling with perfectionism to let go of stress, overwhelm, and anxiety. comedy is a certified life coach board certified by the American Association of drugless practitioners, trained in conscious parenting and conscious uncoupling comedy aims to meet her clients where they are supporting and guiding them on the journey back towards inner confidence, energy and empowerment to be themselves both personally and professionally. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. Michelle. You're welcome. So at the time of this recording, we are knee deep in quarantine. Yes, ma'am, we are. You're a mother as well, right?

Kamini Wood 1:16

Yes, I am. I have five children. My oldest is 18. And my youngest is six. So we have a full house right now.

Michelle Lasley 1:23

That's right. And it's not normally a full house during your average working day, I would imagine.

Kamini Wood 1:27

Correct. Basically, my day usually involves getting everybody up in the morning. And then I run the carpool run for the younger children. The older ones drive themselves to school. And usually the house is quiet, it's myself and the dogs, and I'm able to do my work at home in case

Michelle Lasley 1:46

you identify as an introvert or an extrovert. I am definitely an introvert. So So you've you've got have this beautiful, lovely family that I'm sure most of the time you enjoy. And yet you can release them into the world and then come to your sanctuary.

Kamini Wood 2:06

Oh my gosh,

you say that so beautifully. It's so true. Family.

That is so true. As an introvert, it's so nice to have that space to get into your own personal zone. And honestly, I mean, that's why I work really well one on one with my clients, because it's just the two of us, we are able to connect, I'm able I'm I'm an empath by nature too. So I really do relate to my clients, but having that space to just kind of be myself. And then suddenly now I'm in this position of, it's really difficult to get space at all.

Michelle Lasley 2:43

Like, literally, an arm's length away from having somebody on a zoom call attending, you know, first grade class and then in the other room is somebody attending their dance class? And it's just, it's an interesting, it's an interesting time. Yes. Yes. So how are you managing your needs and your boundaries right now?

Kamini Wood 3:05

Oh, that is such a great question. I have to be very conscious of it. It's so easy to fall into, especially myself. I The reason why I work with high achievers is I am one, right. So I walk the walk, recognizing that it's easy for me to fall into the ocean, or I can take care of that, or I'll do that too. So I have to be very cognizant on a daily basis of making sure my self care and my, honestly, the self compassion I'm practicing with me happens because it's so easy to just forget, you know, you're because there's people all around you. And so I'm very diligent about making sure that I'm a checking in with how I'm feeling and to figuring out what it is I need. And then from that place, either communicating to other people, or recognizing, okay, I really do need space right now. And luckily, in North Carolina, where I am, we're able to at least go for a walk still, we're not like confined to specifically to our house. So I will then say you know what, I need some space, I'm gonna go take a walk, you know, things like that. So I'm able to really understand what it is I need, and then from there, communicate or take care of it myself if it's a self soothing issue.

Michelle Lasley 4:22

So you have a really practiced way of interrupting and honoring that think feel do triangle. You're slowly nodding your head.

Kamini Wood 4:32

Yes, yeah. You know, and I'm slowly nodding my head because it's the recognition that it wasn't always that way. Yeah, you know, that came with that work, that that self work. And that's what I truly work with my clients on is okay, recognizing your past patterns, and then either recognizing the triggers or recognizing what it is, you know, for me, it was the inner critic that would pop in And so it was learning to recognize it. And Oh, there you are. I hear you, I hear you, inner critic. Thanks for showing up, I know you're here to, to show me something or to remind me of something, recognize you, but I'm not going to go off and let you kind of run my world, right? It's sort of that recognition of Okay, now I need to reset and reset myself. And so, yeah, to what you said, Yes, I'm, I'm very cognizant, and I have a very aware practice in that respect of really getting in touch with what I what I need.

Michelle Lasley 5:32

So I have read, and I can't remember the original source, but I've found some other things, studies. So between stimulus and response, there's like, the average is like maybe four seconds, but the first thing I read was 1.7 seconds. So stimulus response, thinking of that, think, feel do triangle, right. So you've got the stimulus triggers your feeling and you do an action. Like, that's so little time to make a decision. So how, how, what are some ways that people can begin their practice of interrupting that and being mindful of their thoughts, and being able to have that very director, you know, a sort of out of body experience to recognize, you know, okay, the perfectionist, or the slop or the achiever or whatever needs to honor the feeling that they're telling you.

Kamini Wood 6:28

Yeah, how do you know? Yeah, how do you do that? Well, it's so interesting, because what we have to recognize is these patterns that we have later on in life, they started when we were younger. Yeah, right. So they just be and that's what happens is, we have these things that occur, either we hear messages, we have experiences, when we're younger, or what have you, we have these beliefs and thought patterns that are put into play when we're younger. And so then, as we get older, we end up being very reactive, right? We're not coming from a generative place. And so I have said routinely, that awareness is the doorway to change. So when you finally become aware, I'm being reactive and not generative. That means that you're ready to step through that doorway of change. Okay, and when you

Michelle Lasley 7:14

Sorry, sorry. When somebody when a client comes with you to get to that awareness, how do you celebrate that?

Kamini Wood 7:24

Well, the first thing to do that I always do is I make them actually celebrate themselves. Yeah. So it's not up to me to celebrate them, it's for them to recognize, oh, my goodness, like, I'm finally aware, I'm aware that I have been on autopilot. I've been operating on autopilot for a majority of my life. And it is time to be like oh, my like, Yay, you I'm I'm here, I'm here to actually take the controls of this, you know, this plane that I'm flying or whatever analogy you want to use. And when you're aware, and you're celebrating that that's the moment that you're ready to then start peeling back those layers and figuring out what patterns don't work for you what thought beliefs, where did they come from? And then how can we heal from them? And then what are the steps to start moving forward into your original question that practice comes with how to get there is to actually start practicing mindfulness. And when I say mindfulness, I'm not talking about a 20 minute meditation. Yes, that's a way to practice mindfulness. What I'm saying is, learn to practice slowing down and get in your present moment with something as simple as what do my five senses? Like, what are they experiencing right now? What do I hear in this moment? You know, because we will go through our day, and we don't hear half of what's going on in our world, because we are literally on autopilot, just reacting, reacting, reacting. Next thing on our list. Next thing, I'm, I do that all the time, and I have to slow it down and be like, Okay, seriously, again, this minute, what am I hearing? What do I see around me? What can I touch? What does that taste in my mouth, you know, really get in touch with the present moment. Because when we're there, and we're actually present in that specific moment, that's the pattern interrupt, that's when you can actually realize, Oh, I'm about like, you know, I'm I'm feeling a certain way I've been triggered. Now I can choose, I can choose to do something different this time. You don't have to go with the original. And you're right, it happens in split seconds. But the work that I do with my clients, and what we work on, is practicing this and making it that new pattern, because when we do create this new pattern, that 1.7 seconds or whatever you said it, we're able to do that pattern interrupt in that split, right,

Michelle Lasley 9:40

right. An example I often use when I'm talking about things like this is road rage, right? So you you're driving along doing your thing, and so depending on what place you're coming from, it doesn't really matter because you want to be able to interrupt it, whether you're coming from joy or anger or something in between are totally different and So the guy cuts you off. And it's like, Okay, how are we going to? What what decision Are you going to make? Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had a question, and then it left me. Oh, right. So as a mother, I don't think it seems to matter how planned out all the children were, I think there is like not planned or planned, right. I think there's a moment where, as a mother, especially, we really get into that pattern, you know, and for lots of reasons, and some people break it early, and some people don't, but I definitely have a number of people in my world, where that's that self forgetting became really, really common. So I think it's, it's a little different. I mean, this, this kind of thing can happen for lots of people. But it's a little different when you're caring for other people. So like, an example would be my, my mom, we had limited financial resources growing up. And so she used had the same eyeglasses for years and years and years, and they were the terrible 80s glasses that are actually coming back in style czar. Another topic for another day. Right? Yeah. And a thing that she would argue is like, well, I need to take care of you kids first. Right? Right. And so how is there anything different you do with moms to help coach them out of out of those patterns?

Um, you know, I, it's the same concept that I use all of my clients, but I really emphasize what self compassion means with moms. And yes, to what you yes to all of what you said, I know that I've been somebody who's done that before, where it's like, have you had the same New Balance sneakers for years, because it's like, oh, we need cleats. And we need, you know, field hockey stick, and we, you know, the list goes on. And all of a sudden, I look down, I'm like, Okay, my sneakers are ridiculous, like, I really need to go get new sneakers, and then yet it gets put put on the list, you know, waiter later got to take care of them first. So what I really emphasize with my moms is that actual act of self compassion, and what I mean by that is recognizing they are human, too. They have needs, and it's okay, it's not selfish. And whatever is happening, they're doing the best that they can, and giving them that space that face space to actually celebrate small wins and big wins, but also recognize their struggles. They're not alone. They're not isolated, it is common, but above all, that they have to recognize that they are, you know, spiritual beings having a human experience. Yeah. And they really are doing the best they can with whatever information they have. And I know that another thing that moms deal with a lot is just that guilt, or maybe making the wrong decision. And I say wrong in air quotes there. Because we feel like we may have messed up our children because we chose x instead of y. And it's learning to, again, practice that. I'm, I love my child. And I'm doing the best I can right now, the information I had in front of me made that seem like the best decision. But now I've learned something from this. And I'm going to carry that going forward. But not to sit in that that judgment stage, right, where it's like, I'm just this terrible human, or even going back to your example of they don't, they don't take care of their needs, or buy things for themselves because they're taking care of their children. I mean, in that is this. It's a covert way of judgment, right? Like, I'm wouldn't be a good mother if I got my own shoes. Right. So it's like, it's, it's this. It's a hidden judgment, if you will. And so it's uncovering those for ourselves, and really having moms recognize it, recognize those hidden judgments and bring them to the table, bring them to that surface level so we can deal with them. We can recognize, oh, no, that's you getting shoes, or you getting new eyeglasses, is not selfish, like for your mom's example, be like, well, if you can see better, then you'll feel better. And when you feel better, you show up more presently for your children. So ultimately, it's not selfish to take care of yourself because now you're showing up more present with your children. So it's really breaking it down. When I'm on a

random piece of karma I suppose for your own mother. She ended up working as an optician for years. And she had so many trendy glasses. Pay for those for sad things that she wore for so long.

Oh, that's awesome. I love it.

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I did it's um, it's called own life's gentle reminders. And it's actually a compilation of analogies. It's not a book that you read front to back, it's more of I guess, something similar to it would be Marcus releases meditations. Okay, where it's sort of, like I said, competition of analogy. So it's small stories of taking everyday occurrences that might seem like nuisances, or frustrations or stressors and reframing them to look at it in a different way that could foster either growth, or just, honestly, self growth are different ways of looking at it to look at things a little more positively. Yeah. And it's not, it's not to say spiritual bypass, because I know that's used a lot like, oh, you're just, you know, pendulum swing thinking there. It's like, you know, changing it, it's like, No, I'm taking it at face value. But then saying, if you look at it this way, you could actually see how one could grow from that experience, or could relate it to a growth experience.

So you made a comment about spiritual bypass just now, and I haven't specifically heard that phrasing. But what I have been aware of is sometimes when, because I've been I tend to be very more optimistic. That's kind of my default. And of people who are not naturally as optimistic as I am, will sometimes chide me for being too Pollyanna, your rose coloring it, you're not actually working through the thing. Is that kind of what you mean by spiritual bypass?

Yes, exactly. Yeah. That's why I said also the other way, I refer to it as pendulum thinking pendulum swing thinking because it's like, oh, you know, instead of saying, This is terrible, you swing to the opposite. Well, the truth is, your brains not gonna think. And so I love affirmations. But there are times when, you know, an affirmation is a pendulum swing. Yeah, thought, where it's like, it's not this. It's the polar opposite. And your brain knows that that's not true. So what? It's to say, No, let's get to that middle ground. And so that's why I make a point of saying this isn't spiritually bypassing. It's not pendulum swing thinking. It's not recognizing the thing for what it is saying the thing is what it is, but this is what I'm going to take from it. Yeah, you there's always that choice point. That's how I approach it with positive thinking. It's, there's a choice point involved where I get to choose how I react to a situation, because something is not good or bad. It's our, like, the way we see it that makes it that way.

Yeah, absolutely. In facilitation, one of the things that we like to talk about is that there's multiple trues. And so that's how I'm how I'm reframing it. So you like to work with teens and things?

I do. Um, so here's the thing. I'm a mom of teens. But beyond that, I once was a teen. And I recognize that a lot of my own perfectionism and need to please, it started when I was younger, but it it almost cements itself in those teen years where there were so many shoulds and there are so many OPT twos. And so I'm really passionate about working with that age group that the teens to young adults like that college age where you know, you're in that in between stage where there are so many shoulds around you and it's what are you going to do with your life and you're 18 like you don't really know. And you also need to hear like, guess what, it's okay. You're okay for being who you are. And especially if you tend to be one of those high achievers and those perfectionist people pleasers. If you don't start addressing those issues early on, you get into your 30s and 40s. And suddenly you look around and you're like, oh my goodness, I have defined everything about me. from external x externally, you know, I'm living up to those expectations, or I'm living up to those validations. And you have that, hopefully, I say, hopefully, but you have an awaking awakening that says, Oh, wait, it should come from the inside out, and my uniqueness and what I bring to this world, from inside, not from the outside, but from the inside out. That's the gift, right? That's the gift for the world. And so yeah, that's why I mean, I feel like if we can work with these teams, who are Oh, by the way, also under extreme stress and pressure, given the fact that, you know, they now have to, they've got, you know, social media to deal with, they've got, you know, academic stressors, they've got family stressors, I mean, you name it, they've got it. And so it's like, well, let's, let's support them, let's support them through this process, rather than kind of leave them out there to be like winging it. And the other reason why I'm so passionate about working with them is because, you know, I truly believe that mom and dad should be Mom and Dad, it's really hard. It's really hard to be mom and dad. And also trying to help them when your teen is so stressed and overwhelmed and having being that third party who can be that an extra support system for the team, which allows mom and dad to actually get to enjoy, you know, get to love on their child without constantly feeling like they've got to manage their child. It allows for that, that relationship to flourish as well.

I love that. So through your work, you've developed authentic me a rise up program, what is what is that?

Okay, so rise up stands for reveal, inner work, self awareness, elements, unlearn, and program. And what all of that encompasses is, in a succinct way is we're going like my work with people is to help them reveal those old stories, reveal those old thought patterns. Do that inner work, become self aware, figure out what elements work? What tools work? What don't what doesn't work? unlearn, right, we're unlearning some of what we've been programmed to do. And then actually program, how we want to live our life. How do we want this story to unfold? How do we want it to be written? So it's, it's encompassing. So that's the rise up program. And the authentic me as a reminder that you get to be your authentic self. There is no predefined, you know, pattern, or shape or anything that you have to fulfill you get to be your authentic self.

Oh, I love that so much. Especially, you know, I identify as an enneagram. Nine. Are you familiar with the enneagram? I can't remember. Yes, you and I talked about that. Excellent. So the enneagram nine is very good at self forgetting, self forgetting, hiding your anger, not feeling it going to Sloss when we don't want to see things but one of our takeaways from growing up is the lens that I don't matter. And so we just kind of see the world through that lens. I don't matter in the stories that are presented to us, we write the story through that lens. And no matter how hard the adults around us tried. That was that's that was our takeaway. And so for me, the growing up and so as an enneagram, nine, I can vacillate between the one sometimes and then the eight. And so the one is the perfectionist. And then eight is the challenger like, like a protector in the upright who likes to you know, fight maybe for the underdog or whatever, really good. Take charge for it. And so I can vacillate between those and but in that space between 18 in the early 20s, I could have really used a mentor and that, you know, the perfectionist can the givers can all all the lenses can use that. So I love that you focus on teens, and we're part of your work is focusing on teens and young adults. Because having having that mentorship, like if we could interrupt that space and interrupt those patterns earlier, so that people can really live more of their life as an authentic being. I can like just imagine what amazing things we could come up with and support each other and create. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right. Um, do you have a mission in life?

My mission right now is to really work with people in trying to release them from being a hostage to those external validations. Yeah, and to embrace their own resilience self leader. That's my mission for work. My mission personally, is to Live my authentic self, and to make sure that I'm spreading my own love and light and not hiding it. And that is my mission right now. Because for so long being a people pleaser, it's been contained. And so I'm at that point in life now where I realize if we can spread that with to other people, then we should. And so now my personal mission is to do the work that I feel called to do, which is what I'm doing now. And to follow my heart, my heart center, you know, and make sure that I'm living authentically to that.

How do you how do you share that with your kids?

How do I share my mission? Or how do I share? How do you model that living your authentic life? Yeah, it's so interesting, because they were actually my catalyst to the self transformation that got me here. Because I started seeing them emulate the people pleasing behaviors. And it was that moment where I really saw it. That I was I realized, oh, my goodness, if I don't interrupt this, this is going to repeat for generations. And so now I am extraordinarily open with them. And I tell them, you know, this is I tell them how I'm feeling. I tell them what I need. And I actually use those words. And then when we're talking, I ask them the same questions. What do you need right now, it's, you know, it's so funny, because we are in the middle of this pandemic. And this morning, I saw my 13 year old and she just had this look on her face. And I was like, What is going on? And I actually took her to through the process, and I'm like, what, what are you feeling right in this moment, and she's very frustrated with virtual learning right now. He's just, you know, it's very difficult to do math, the way that she had become accustomed to doing it, for instance. And I just looked at her very calmly, and I'm, like, I just asked her, What do you need, like, what do you need in this moment, and she went through it with me. And so that's how I, I, I feel that if I live my life with integrity, that means showing up with, you know, not just in my own life, but I'm modeling it for my kids. And so that's what I do is I remind myself each day to just keep showing up authentically, and live in integrity. And so when I'm talking to them, I'm showing up and trying to be as present as possible. And I'm human. So it doesn't always happen. There are times when I'm in my own little world, and I'm not fully there, but at least I recognize it. And I also will call myself out for it. And so again, living consistently in that, that integrity, and and being honest with my kids, yeah,

I love that so much. There's so many pieces I love about all of that. So I'm looking over my notes because I'm a note taker. How, how can people work with you?

Well,

I I'm super easy to get in touch with I, they can find me on the internet, which my website is www dot it's authentic me.com if they email me, which is contact, that it's authentic me, that's the way to get in touch with me. I'm also on Facebook, again, my handle there is it's authentic me. I like I said, I answer I'm easy to reach because I answer my own emails, I don't, you know, I answer my messages. And so in order to work with me, it's simply reaching out, we have a conversation, we figure out if we're a good fit. Because I do really believe that if you're going to engage a coach, you have to resonate with that person, because there has to be that that synergy in that trust. And so we have a conversation where, you know, we both talk and spend that time together to figure out whether it's a good fit for the two of us. And from there, you know, I work with people virtually. So I work with people all over the world. And so it's actually pretty easy. Awesome. Yeah, yeah.

What's the name of your book, again,

it's called own life's gentle reminders.

We'll have a link to that in the show notes. And then of course, all the ways that you can get in touch with comedy. What is on your reading list right now?

You know, it's so interesting. You ask that question. I my favorite book, just in general is mastery by George Lehner. But right now, I actually just ordered the 16 personalities book. Because I love learning about different personality combination. And then also I have been doing, like you mentioned, I trained in conscious uncoupling. But another part of that is training and calling in the one which is like how to call in your ideal mate. And so I'm actually reading in reading that book of calling in the one. Well, I started listening to it on Audible, and I actually just ordered it I can read it in an actual paper form. So that's great. That's on my reading list right there.

familiar with that book at all. So this is great. Awesome. All those books will be listed in the show notes. Have you ever read the please understand me series? I have not there another one about Myers Briggs. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I love personality tools as a as a shared language that we can help to understand how did you find out about the enneagram?

You know, during my coaching certification process, it came up in conversation. And I am very, I love to learn about different personalities. And I also really like that there are different ways. I'm going to say this, again, air coded measure personalities, because I don't think that there's any one that will succinctly nail somebody because again, like I believe in uniqueness. But I do feel like when we can understand thought processes, especially from coaching, from the coaching perspective, were able to then identify with how to communicate and communication for me is huge. So, yeah, so I can answer your question. I learned about it during my coaching process, and just got really interested in the different tools that are out there. Yeah. And so yeah, I'm just basically a nerd.

I love it. I love it. I love the enneagram as a way to quickly when you get a basic understanding of it, kind of assess where people's energies are coming from. So I was in a meeting once. And I had no idea that the the type this individual, he would usually present a very loving nature, very affable. And then we were in a meeting. And he kept picking at all of the things we were suggesting. And to me, that's, that can be a very enneagram, six energy, the loyal skeptic. And he was when we were talking about a redesign of landscape, and he was the property developer. And so he was really concerned with keeping the property and the tenants safe. And so he was looking at it from that type. And so one of the things that I love about the enneagram is knowing that we all have these types inside of us, and we tend to lead with one. Anyway. Um, I love I love them all. So one of the reasons I was asking them about the enneagram. And and because you had mentioned that, you know, the learning more about the Myers Briggs is do you? What would you say? Would there be a difference? Do you think to what you would say, to somebody like me, maybe an enneagram, nine, who might present to you some of these challenges on forgetting myself or whatnot, versus maybe like an enneagram? Three, which would identify as to get cheaper, like wood wood? Didn't really prepare you for this? And sorry,

no, no, no, I'm just, I'm thinking about your question. And I think that the, the answer to your question is, what I will talk about is ultimately the same, sure. Because ultimately, the same concepts, the way we go about getting there would be different. My coaching style is to have my clients, I'm meeting them where they are. And so I'm bringing out of them through powerful questions and that type of thing there, because they're identifying the answers within themselves. I'm not there to tell somebody to do X, Y, and Z, because then you're going to get a, b and c result. You're, I'm there to help collaborate and support as they find the answers within themselves. Because only when you identify those answers within yourself, are you going to be committed to making this changes? Right? You know, it's like if I tell my, my child to clean up her room, but yeah, Mom, whatever. But if she decides, okay, this is really gross, she's gonna go clean up that room. And it's the same way with ourselves change, like we have to buy into it from our inside. And so it's the way that I would approach the questions, or just the conversation would be different based on the personality type. But ultimately, it's the same underlying foundation, if you will.

Well, that's great. I think that's a great place to wrap up for today. Because that's, it's a good tool, and just, again, living your authentic self being mindful of that. So what's the one last takeaway you would give for our listeners?

Um, the biggest takeaway that I anchor myself in is that life is a journey that is happening for us, and not to us. And if we can anchor into that thought, as we face whatever pressures or whatever challenges are coming your way. If we can anchor into the thought that this is happening for us, we can learn from it and keep moving forward, rather than if we get into that victim stage. So I love

that. Thank you so much for joining me on our podcast today. I'm so excited that we had this conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I've really enjoyed it. You're welcome.

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