Confidence as a photographer can sometimes feel like a moving target! Join Phyllis, Kim and Cara as they discuss the ways that they struggle with confidence in their photography and tips that they use to battle the comparison monster and grow confidence in their photography.

It's time to laugh, learn and take your photography to the

next level with your favorite cowgirls with cameras, Cara,

Kim, and Phyllis.

Hey there cowgirls with cameras. It's Kim

with Be More Business and Kim Beer photography,

Cara with Fast Horse photography.

And Phyllis with Phyllis Burchette Photo How

y'all doing this week? Well, considering

this is our fourth attempt to get this

started today because we keep laughing and goofing and messing

up our I think our listeners are in for quite a treat. So how are

you guys doing today?

Fantastic.

Well, apparently, I'm really read both from

laughing and from the weirdness in my camera. Oh, there we go.

You open up to this week.

This is a rough one. We are recording you

guys in the evening, which we don't normally do. And

apparently we all need to go take a nap before we get rolling

on this episode. But I would love to tell everyone what I've

been doing this week. For those of you that are listening,

whenever you're listening, it is just a couple of weeks before

Christmas right now that we're recording. So for me, I'm done

shooting for the year, which feels really amazing. So

anything I do is I know it's just for fun. I'm just shooting

for me right now, which is awesome. And I'm working on

finishing design work and then doing pre holiday orders. So

every day I have ups FedEx, the Postal Service, and then a bunch

of just totally random vans that I guess or maybe outsourced

delivery people showing up at my door and they're bringing prints

and framed pieces and freight I had to go take my pickup truck

down the street the other day to get a giant freight piece picked

up because semi trucks can no longer back down our road

because there's so many like low hanging limbs. So I had to go

pick up a freight piece down the roadway pickup truck to complete

the delivery to my house. So it's been a crazy week of

unboxing having fun with that, of course, and just inspecting

products and getting it delivered getting it rewrapped

and delivered, which is always a load of fun. I'm also cleaning

my office right now, which if you listen to us over if you

listen to Kim and I over on The Business Animal, one of the

things I love to do is I love to clean up my office, I feel like

it makes me so much more productive. And it just makes my

space feel so good. I don't know if you guys are that way, but I

love a clean space when it comes to being organized and working.

Oh, maybe

that would help me then.

It might I mean honestly, if you're feeling

unorganized, you know, and I know how you can be sometimes

I'm always unorganized.

Me to fill this me too.

If I just feel like I don't want to work

today. And I'm just like, I can't feel it. If I take a break

and just Clean My Space. I feel so much better. And I feel so

much more productive. And I just want to be in my work

environment after I do that. So yeah. What about you guys? What

do you been up to?

Well, I'm sitting over here imagining how much fun

your dogs are having with all these deliveries that you're

getting.

Yet Well, you know how loud they are when we

get a delivery when we're recording The Business Animal in

the mornings. And it's like I have to mute because they're

barking their heads off and howling. It's like that all day

long. On top of it, we're renovating a bathroom. So I've

got oh gosh, what's his name? I'm already forgetting his name.

I have a man coming in and working on our bathroom. So

every time he goes outside and comes back in, it's like he's a

stranger again. And so they lose their mind. And they're building

a house across the street. So I don't honestly remove all of our

recordings to the evening at this point because the mornings

have been so loud. It's been off the charts. So

so your dogs have had a busy holiday season.

Yeah, they're busy. Phyllis, what

have you been up to?

Well, our weather is just is typical

Georgia Southern weather 76 degrees two days ago and

gorgeous and then and then it's cold and rainy today with like a

high of 50 So I know that still warm for a lot of people but

it's just the wet that gets me but you know, I mean it was

gorgeous. I had time to get out and walk this morning because

I've been really busy with a lot of family stuff. We had a big

big wedding this weekend for my great niece and a lot of stuff

going on with that lot of holiday catching up with friends

because I love to. I love to entertain so I have a lot of

people over to my house this time of year. Well when I say a

lot of people I mean small groups of people but end of the

year bookkeeping is big on my list for this time of year and

just a bunch of office work. I sold some stuff at my quite a

bit of gallery wraps and large P He says at my gallery, and I had

to know my gallery, my co op that I'm a member of. So I had

to get my brain into thinking about what I needed to replace

that with and get out ordered. And then I had a bunch of stuff

trying to get ready for Kim to do our prints for art of the

cowgirl that we sell in our booth. And you know, it's hard

just deciding and trying to figure out what sells you know,

and what you should what you should spend money on printing.

Sometimes that can be a really big decision. But yeah, just

been I've been really busy with catch up and still trying to get

images done from all my shoots for the whole year. So but my

set mostly this week has been family stuff with a wedding had

a lot of people in so what about you cam? What do you been up to?

Well, I'm gearing up and getting excited for our

first event in January, which is art of the cowgirl. And so I've

been just getting some automations put together and

looking at that. I've also been working on automations for

communications and all of our events coming up. So hopefully

everyone will have a beautifully smooth event experience because

the software will take care of things when we are in the middle

of something else like out shooting or something like that,

you'll be able to get your registrations through in a

timely manner and feel the love of everything that goes along

with our events.

We seriously thank you for that.

It does look like you've been super busy.

Yeah, it looks so good.

Yeah, it's but it's so necessary. And for those

of you who don't use automation in your business, if you're a

professional photographer and have a business, let me tell

you, automation is the way that you can have superpowers. So

that's what I've been doing is giving us super powers for the

rest of the year. I've also been really focused on recording

videos, tip videos, and I'm working on my iPad workflow

video that I'm hoping to get released around the first of the

year. So I've been madly recording things for Photoshop

and Lightroom that you're gonna get to see all year long. And

I'm super excited about those. So be watching for that to come

out. And then in addition to that, I've been writing a ton of

blogs as well. I'm like in writing mode. I'm in content

creation mode, and I am planning for next year and I could not be

happier. It's an amazing time of year for me. So yeah. What are

we talking about today? Building competence as a photographer.

Oh, I'm gonna like this topic.

I'm gonna need this topic.

Oh, stop it. Yes. Stop it famous Phyllis.

I wasn't gonna say it. I was not gonna

say it in you said it. I didn't say it. Phyllis, I want to mark

that down. Yeah, you know, I want to mark it down that I was

not the one to say it.

I'll make a note of that. Well, I think even

though you may think people are confident we're we know that we

all have times when we're not super confident. So

oh, 100% I think that confidence in

photography, it sometimes feels like it's like a constantly

shifting set of standards for me, you know, like, it's like

one of those moving targets, we were just talking about moving

targets the other day, that competence can be a moving

target in photography in the photography world, it can be one

of those things for me, where I'll be riding high, and then

something will happen. And my confidence will just be it's

like it gets killed. And I can give a great example of that I

had a couple of weeks ago, I had my very first ever photo shoot

where I couldn't deliver to my clients, I had a damaged piece

in my camera, it was an autofocus issue with my camera.

And I didn't realize that I had made it through most of this

little mini shoot, and that my images, they weren't as good as

they needed to be. And I just I wasn't comfortable with them.

And I've never had to make that phone call before and let me

tell you, you want a humbling moment. It's when as a

photographer, professional photographer, you have to make a

phone call like that, and it put my confidence. For weeks. I was

terrified to pick up the camera i i was worried that every

photoshoot after that I was going to have an issue. And I

just didn't trust trust myself for a good two weeks that I had

to get several really good shoots under my belt to pull

myself out of that place. So when I say competence can feel

like a constantly shifting set of standards. It really can and

I doubt I'm the only one that will be riding high and then

something will happen and the next thing you know you're like,

why are people paying me for this? How how I should close my

business. I am no longer

every time I leave a shoot I feel that that

way like Oh my gosh, I can't believe people pay me to do

this. What am I doing? Oh my gosh, am I gonna have anything?

Anything usable out of this? You know? Yeah, every time and then

and then when I see other people's like, especially for

doing a group shoot and you see other people's images and you go

oh my gosh, I don't think I have anything anywhere near that

good, you know? So yeah, it's a struggle we all do it.

Well, I definitely think that and in

this world of like constant comparison, where you know,

we're only sharing our best work online, like none of us are out

there showing our worst work all the all the time. So it's like,

you look around you, and you see other people and their highlight

reels of their photography, and you're looking at your pictures

and you're going through and you're saying, Okay, excellent.

Oh, God, what happened there? And oh, my goodness, what was I

taking a picture of there. So you have some shots like that,

you know, at least I do every session, I'm gonna have a few

that are Tossers. And you really do start to wonder, like, where

do you stack up? And it can be a confidence killer. What about

you, Kim?

So I agree with everything, both of you said i

There are days when I look at the images that I've shot, and

I've been picking. So one of the things I've been doing is I've

been picking images I want to share in 2023 on social media,

and I go through the images, and I'm looking at them, I can't

share that I can't share that I start to see all of the little

flaws in each particular image. And probably I'm the only one

who sees them. So that's a definite competence killer. And

I don't like when I do that to myself. And so I have to kind of

stop and back up and say, This is not you're you're you're

overthinking this, you're you're over, you're over judging

yourself, you're being too harsh. I am always and I believe

this is probably true. The two of you as well, I am by far my

own worst critic, I will always look at my own images in and be

more critical of my images than other people will. And I think

that that is a common thing among all artists that we do. We

do look at that. And Cara and I we just had a discussion very

similar on the business side on The Business Animal about a

topic like this as well, where we talked about comparison being

the thief of joy. And that is a That's a true statement here.

And it's also the thief of competence as well. And the

truth is, as artists, we all have our own vision. And we all

have a slightly different perspective and a different eye.

And so trusting yourself and trusting your your vision and

your lane, so to speak, that you're driving in, is going to

get to the destination you want to go in, I think is half the

battle. Because in the end users eyes, they're just looking at a

beautiful image of a horse doing something or Western lifestyle

or whatever subject it is you're photographing, but in our case,

do usually a horse of some kind, and they see the beauty of the

horse. And they don't pick apart their images quite the same week

way we do. But I too have left workshops, I have left jobs

going Why do people pay me to do this, and then gone home and had

to reassess that. So I think that's a true statement for all

of us. For sure,

especially when you are in a position where

you have to, you have to produce because that's how you get paid.

You know, not everyone that listens to this is pulling an

income from their business, from a photography from their

photography, passion or from a business, it may not be a

business for all of our listeners out there. But when it

is something that you have to do and your ability to like be

competent and get the job done, is linked to directly to your

ability to pay your bills. It is a it is something that can be

very scary. So you both are shaking your heads. And it

really can be and yeah, I don't know, what do you think about

that? The difference between that sometimes? I mean, it's, I

don't know, it gives me chills?

It does. And I can tell you another thing that

both of us experience or all of us experience right now is we

have all stepped out in a leadership role in the

photography industry. And that's a whole nother level of of

expressing our confidence or, you know, being vulnerable and

saying that we have a lack thereof, but it is it's true.

And I think it's it's that same sentiment flows in both

directions. What do you think, Phyllis?

Oh, I agree. I think it's nice for up and

comers or for beginners or even advanced photographers to know

that, that however they're feeling we all have felt the

same way at one point or another and still feel that same way

every day. So it's not uncommon and then you're not you are not

alone.

And I think there's something to be said for

putting yourself into positions where you aren't always

comfortable. And by that I don't mean like your gear fails. But

and you and you aren't able to fulfill, but that if you are

uncomfortable, it might mean that you're pushing yourself and

you're teaching yourself more, and you're putting yourself out

there and you're taking risks. And you're, you're being

creative in ways that maybe you've never been creative

before. And that's not a bad thing. And you're always going

to be moving the bar higher and higher in terms of your

confidence.

Absolutely, and also competence. Another thing

that I want to say about it is a lot of times confidence comes

from things that aren't associated with your

photography, for example, you may have a limiting belief about

yourself, or you may have something that someone else has

placed on you. And they're I want to say an interject, which

is a gestalt word for something we took and swallowed whole,

someone may have told you at some point in time in your life,

that you you, you weren't a value or that your work wasn't

good. And you may have taken that as, as something that you

just believe, without any further evidence, and that can

really rattle your competence. So it's not always just in our

shooting. It's also in in those things that we picked up along

life, it's in the trauma, it's and PTSD, it's in how our

relationships have unfolded. There's a complicated equation,

to understanding the level of competence you have in anything

and photography in particular.

Those are all great points cam, I'd kind of

like to share a few things that might help with building

confidence or self esteem in your personal life, which

therefore will lead to your photography, career or life

also, I think one thing for me too, is to look back on your

past achievements, it doesn't matter how small they are just

anything that you can call a win look back on those times in your

life when you had those either little wins or big wins that

made you feel good. For me personally, I think cam kind of

helped me with this one is Is she did hook me up with a

gestalt coach and I think finding a way to change the

negative story that your inner critic is telling you is a big

help. And whether that be with a gestalt therapy, you know,

session or a therapist, or even a friend that maybe you can talk

to you about things, I think, you know, just changing that

negative story that's inside of you, like change that somehow.

Did I say that right? Kim I mean, you can do that one

better. I probably said it. And I think another one too is it in

this was a big one that helped me is becoming a mentor for

other photographers, you may think that well, maybe I don't

have that level of experience yet. But it doesn't matter. Even

if you're a beginner photographer, you can take

someone that's let's that's coming along with you and help

them and you'll by doing this you'll realize how much value

that you can bring to the table just by helping someone and

whether that be photography or another aspect in your life

it'll really help your confidence. This is this one for

a while and I know you too will probably not agree with this was

really hard for me. But don't shy away from compliments when

somebody tells you you're famous Phyllis, take it take it and say

yes I am.

She's fine yeah, that's still a hard one for me. So I really

don't want to do that. But anyway, I think I think kind of

I say fake it but I don't mean really fake it. But you know, if

you're just a starting professional photographer,

dress, the par watch your body language, use a lot of eye

contact, when you talk to people smile, stand up straight, all of

these are good or good confidence or they make you

appear more confident. And by appearing more confident you

will be more confident so and another thing for me too is to

focus on what you do know if you're trying to to if you're in

a group setting where you're having to do some public

speaking or just talk to other people focus on what you do know

another big one for me especially the over the past two

years and just trying to get in a more healthy mindset was take

care of yourself when you when you eat healthy and exercise

regular and get enough sleep and you feel better than all of this

is a great confidence booster and and that was a really big

one. For me personally, I think being grateful focus on being

grateful maybe even keep a gratitude journal if you can.

I'm not very good at journaling. But I know I have a couple of

friends that are really good at journaling and one of the first

thing they do every day is spend five minutes just telling what

they're grateful for and writing down some gratitude things.

Number one is to be like if you're having to go do if you

are having to go do a job or something and it may be it may

be something out of your wheelhouse a little bit be

prepared even if It's something that's in your wheelhouse being

prepared by practicing, reading, doing a lot of research and get

ready for whatever it is that's coming up in your life. Also,

think about visualizing your goals and choosing a positive

mindset, like, look at what you want to accomplish. And

visualize that in your mindset so that you can be, you know,

kind of positive that it's gonna happen one day, I think when you

visualize things they do happen. So that's it for me guys. How

about Cara, what are you? What are some good ones for you?

Well, like I said, at the, you know, the top

of this show is that I feel like confidence, there's just like a

killer around the corner of it anytime. And I'm very sensitive

to when things don't go well. Or if I feel like I failed in some

way that affects me, to my core, and it can be I can have 100

people saying you did a good job. And then one person tell me

that they thought the image was crap, or that the way that

something went down wasn't good. And I will only focus on that

one thing. So for me, you know, working on my confidence is a

daily struggle. And it can constantly feel like it's a

shifting set of standards in my brain. So one of the several of

the things that I do are kind of focused around preparation, I

feel like if I can think through the the process, which is part

of the reason like why I work with clients, the way that I do,

like I from start to finish, I need to visualize how every step

of that process is going to go. And I don't like to get to a

shoot and not know what our game plan is, I just don't operate

that way. So for me, being able to really think through and

practice using my gear, if I have new equipment, I want to

use it, I'd never use photoshoots, especially

photoshoots, I'm being paid for to test out gear, I always

practice I always set up something specific for learning

new gear, poses new techniques, I'd love to practice those

before I use them in a paid situation. That's that's big for

me and shooting all the time, especially in the beginning, I

needed to be shooting and using my camera every day, what

happens to me now is that I go through periods where I might

not be actively shooting, you know, two or three times a week.

So I have to make myself go out and take photographs. Because

what will happen is I get rusty, not resting necessarily on like

the muscle memory of using a camera. But things like posing

people like pose flow, if I don't have that in my brain and

something that that that post flow muscle, if I'm not actively

working that I can definitely be so much less confident when I've

got clients in front of me if it doesn't feel like it's flowing

easily. And so having that kind of set post flow situation in my

brain, because I practice it helps me so much. So yeah, so I

like to say I'm most confident when I'm prepared. When I've

thought through at all, when I plan for any type of pitfall

that can happen, people, there have been people that tell me I

worry too much. But the truth is, is if I can't think through

every possible bad situation that can happen, then I'm going

to be anxious about it. So sorry, one of us has to be the

worrier of the group. And it's me. So the other piece of that

is model calls, I love to do model calls when I'm testing out

something really different. If I'm using new gear, or I want to

try a new lighting situation, or new props that I've never used

before a model call is an awesome place for that. And it

really gives me confidence because first of all, I'm I'm

shooting in a way that I'm not having to necessarily create

something that's going to affect my bottom line right in that

moment. And then when I the next shoot that I have or where I

plan to use that I can go into it with so much more confidence

because I know how to make that situation work. And there are

some things that I think a lot of photographers get hung up on

in terms of, especially if they're maybe enthusiastic

amateur photographers, or they're new to starting their

business. I don't know about you guys, but I've had photographers

that I've been mentoring tell me that they don't know even how to

talk about like confidently about their, their business or

about what they do. Maybe photography is a hobby, maybe

it's something they do part time. Maybe it's something

they're hoping to move from a full time gig into a photography

business one day, and people will ask them, they might be

shooting on the rail at a horror show. They'll ask them, you

know, tell me what you do, or are you a photographer, and they

don't know how to answer that question off the top of their

head. They don't know how to say yeah, I'm a photographer. I'm a

horse photography. I'm an equine photographer. They don't know

how to answer that. And they tend to say things like, oh,

yeah, I take pictures and they're just really they really

don't come across as confident. So I tell people think about how

you talk about your business. Think about how you talk about

what you do as an artist. and be prepared to answer that question

when people ask you have that elevator pitch or that one liner

that describes what you do, and that you are comfortable saying

it out loud. One of the things I always say to people is,

especially if you sell if you're if you are selling photography,

or you're selling to your clients, art images, be

comfortable with the words that come out of your mouth. And the

only way I can be confident in that is by saying them out loud,

before I actually have to say them out loud, or say them over

and over again, and practice how they come out of my mouth. So it

doesn't feel awkward. And so I'm not insecure about about that.

Yeah, so the other thing around just in terms of if you're

thinking about not just shooting, but if you want to

work with clients, or if you are selling photography, practice

things like answering common questions that come up over and

over again, know how you want to respond to that, and practice

getting those words out of your mouth, practice responding to

common sales objections, and, you know, practice asking

questions that you would ask to prospective clients to get more

information from them. That's a big thing. People are just

nervous, having conversations with people, sometimes that can

be a real competence killer. The last thing I'll say here, and

that's something that I feel has brought me the most success not

in photography, necessarily. But just as a woman in business

throughout my entire adult life, is surround yourself with people

who support you find those people who believe in you, and

they believe in what you do and what you represent. And find

people who you can share ideas and resources with, I like to

say that when I go into a situation, especially a learning

environment, I try to find the people that look like they have

their shit together that know what they're doing the maybe the

who I think look like the smart ones in the room, and I will go

and sit my butt right down right next to them. And I will tell

you, that is how I became friends with Kevin Phyllis, I

sat down next to them and never got up and drug them, you know,

made them drag me along with them when they went places and

not saying you should do that you shouldn't harass somebody?

Well, I don't know, I think that's what you

get when you join cowgirls with cameras as, as a community.

That's what we like, we

have that capacity. Yeah. And so that you

can, you know, really, you know, you need those people in your

life who can give you a dose of healthy reality when you need

it. But you also need to think about the people that are

building you up. And that have been in your shoes before and

being your those people. And you know, I love my family, I love I

have friends that I love. But I also have people that I don't

spend as much time with because they are people that maybe don't

believe in the work that I do, or don't believe that

photography, and specifically the niche of Equine photography

is a sustainable industry. And I need to separate myself to some

extent from those people that are bringing me down, I need

people who support me and believe in me, in my life more

than I need those other negative influences. And I know there are

people that are listening to this right now that probably

have significant others that are in relationships, I have family

members that maybe don't believe that their little photography

business is ever going to make anything, or that this hobby

that they love. So much is worth investing so much time and

energy and money into. But I think that I mean, we all have

those people, we've all had those people. So try to figure

out, you know, look for those shining stars in your life that

are going to build you up and make you happy and bring you

competence instead. I'll get off my soapbox.

No, I I agree with all that. I think we all

agree with that.

Yeah, and I think Phyllis made a really good point

in saying that that's what we strive to do in our photography

experiences when you come to those is we want to offer you a

safe environment, and one that is supportive so that you can

stretch your wings out a little bit and fly. And so you'll have

somebody there to answer those questions for you. Or to help

you figure out what went wrong or help you figure out what went

right in his situation and do so in a way that's not judgmental

or harsh. And that really is supportive because honestly,

photography and horsemanship I think both offer two things in

that there are life long learning opportunities. You will

never learn it all about photography and you're never

going to learn it all about horses or the western lifestyle.

But being able to have people along on the ride that are there

to help you and support you through as much learning as you

can get and then help you build your confidence is absolutely

key and I believe hurdle We that for all three of us. That is one

of the things that we want to make sure that we offer from

ourselves in our in our events and our experiences. And also

that we foster a community that offers that on going when it's

not the three of us in the room, but people who have been to our

events, or had something to do with cowgirls with cameras. I

think that is all very critical. And thank you, Phyllis, for

pointing that out and bringing it up. And in that context, I do

have one thing I want to add to this long list of ways that that

we've come up with in this episode of having people build

confidence. I think Phyllis gave you some great advice for life.

And I think Cara gave you some great advice as a photographer,

the one thing I would like to add to this is in building your

confidence, try to look at how you hold on to mistakes or

failure because in general, we can kind of start out as

confidence have a few wins. And then something is going to come

along, whether it's a camera failure, a card failure, or just

an oversight, or something that didn't go quite right in a

situation are not like planned, no matter how much you rehearse

or practice, there are going to be times that you experience

failures or mistakes as a photographer or just a human

walking through life. And one of the things that I think is

seriously helped my confidence as a human being and as a

photographer, is mindfully learning how to hold those

mistakes. And failures as failures are not failures. But

failures are learning experiences that teach me a way

to do it better. And mistakes also offer me an opportunity.

And I'm not going to hang on to the mistake long term. I get it,

I realize it, I process it, I integrate it, and then I let it

go. And I think that that is one of the things that you have to

practice and building your competence. Because if you hold

on to a mistake, or a perceived failure, and I do say perceived

intentionally there, if you hold on to a perceived failure, long

term, it can cause a lot of other things to start to go

wrong in your in your competence building. So please ask

yourself, you know, are you holding on to things that maybe

were mistakes you made or things you didn't know, a year ago, or

six months ago or heck, even two hours ago, and now you have a

better vision and can just let go of that and not not get held

on to it long term. So that's a big feature, I think in building

your competence is not to hold on to those things as you

progress.

That's such a good point. I think it's really

easy to get hung up and derailed. You know, you let

those things pull you down.

Right. And it's hard not to dwell on some

things. And I think it's hard to get out of that mount mindset

sometimes. For sure.

It is and that's where the Gestalt just comes in

handy. Like like Phyllis is experienced. It's, it's where

someone can help you sometimes guide you to see things clearer

than you would be able to see on your own. That's my my 10 cents

for tonight.

All right, well, I have a feeling that

there's other folks out there right now that have listened to

this episode and maybe feel a you know, feeling a little bit

not triggered but like yeah, I felt a little bit of what

Phyllis was saying, you know, or I felt a little bit about what

Kim was saying there. I really resonated with that. Or maybe

they're worrywarts like me, who knows? But if you are, and you

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I need to think about what mine is going to be. So if you are

thinking man, this sounds like fun. I want to join Kim, Phyllis

and Cara at one of their upcoming events. We have some

really fun stuff coming up. Several of the events are

already full but we have the cottonwood ranch experience

coming up in Nevada. We have opening still for those of you

that are real beginners out there that wanted to jump into

equine photography and want to really learn how to use your

cameras and how to photograph people with horses. That's an

event we have coming up in St. Augustine, Florida, the spring.

We've got events really cool experience coming up in

Colorado. I believe our dry head event is full. Is that correct?

Is it full now? Yet Phyllis is having her head. Yep. It's full.

Art of the cowgirl is currently full. Is that correct? We have a

waiting list for that only Yeah, I believe well,

the Jan Queen Creek Arizona or the Calgary is

full. They don't have the summer gathering. They don't have it

listed yet. But it'll be the first of June and Montana for

those that are interested. Okay. We don't have any details. Yeah,

they're okay. Horses on the beach. And Iceland

are currently full. And then go ahead, Phyllis.

Though wilderness event in Colorado the

end of September. That will be that will be a really fun one.

So

the wilderness adventure. Yes,

that's going to be amazing at trappers lake. So, Lake Lodge so

there are so many cool things that you guys can come and hang

and learn and take cool pictures and we'd love to hang with you

guys. So check us out at calibers with cameras.com. Click

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