In this episode, we explore the transformative power of mindset and confidence in business growth with a coach and consultant who shares his journey from martial arts to business empowerment. Discover how internal shifts lead to external success, confronting procrastination, and the importance of belief and seeking outside perspectives.

Guest Bio:

Bogdan Rosu is a business coach and consultant who has transitioned from communist Romania to entrepreneurship. Drawing on his martial arts background, he applies the principles of yin and yang to business growth strategies, emphasizing the importance of mindset and personalized approaches

Key Points Discussed:

1. Importance of confidence in sales - 04:32

2. Addressing core issues behind procrastination - 11:15

3. Balancing internal and external aspects in business growth - 21:45

4. Impactful changes through seeking external perspective - 29:10

5. Overcoming the fear of success and seeking growth - 37:55

Main Quote:

"You're stronger than you know."

Links:

Connect with Bogdan Rosu: www.bogdanrosu.biz

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Chuck Anderson,

Affiliate Management Expert + Investor + Mentor

http://AffiliateManagementExpert.com/

Hello, everybody, and, welcome back. This is the creative

collaboration show with Chuck Anderson, and this is the show

where we help business owners and entrepreneurs

with tips and strategies and advice that can help you

to grow your business to whatever

extent you want to grow it. And sometimes that

means a strategy or something that you implement

into your business. Sometimes that means growing and

and and and working on yourself. Oftentimes, it's

both. And so I like to invite guests here who

who align with that thought process, but also,

are engaged in work that can, help

along those lines. And so, you know,

so today's guest for sure, works

with, works with business owners as a coach and a

consultant and can help you grow your business. So today, I

have Bogdan Roju with me today. Welcome to

the show. Thank you so much, Chuck, for having me.

Yeah. And you're probably gonna see me looking to the side because your face is

over there, but my camera is over here, unfortunately.

So we'll do I'll do my best to switch between the

2. No problem. Well, you know, that's, that, you know,

that's the the cool thing about

technology. I have 3 screens as well. And, and

so I was watching myself back

on a webinar that I did. And, of course, the camera's here and the

slides are here, but then I had the chat over here, and then I had

something else over. So the whole time, I'm watching myself.

And, occasionally, I'm looking at the camera, but other times, I'm I'm

doing this. I'm looking at the other other screens as well.

That's just how it is anymore. Like, computers aren't just one screen

anymore. They're they're they're multiple screens. Alright. Well,

this show is not about computers, so we'll we'll go from there, but it's all

good. So listen. I I think

the best place to start is is

is, you know, your story and,

you know, tell everybody a little bit about about

you and the work that you do and and how it came to be

that you're you're doing this work. Sure.

I like to think of myself because, like,

everybody's a coach these days. I I don't see myself as

a coach necessarily. I'm an amplifier of money

and freedom for experts and entrepreneurs. I've

worked with complete beginners to multimillionaires.

For example, one of my biggest clients, gentleman doing a

120,000,000 a year, he was terrified to

do anything to grow his business because he believed that

he would make a mistake and then lose 1,000,000. So I quickly

showed him that it wasn't the case, and in fact, he was actually a

business badass. And that heightened level of

confidence allowed him to take serious steps

towards doubling his business.

The way that this came about was that number 1,

I became obsessed with how people work. I

was horrible when it came to people when I was a kid. I

had like, it was extremely awkward

socially. In 5th grade, I was voted

as being the most disliked kid in class. And you can imagine like,

actually somebody took a poll for that. And,

that was a big, big defining moment

for for me. And couple that with,

you know, Romania post post the revolution.

I live in Romania. Romanian, in 89,

we had communism collapse all all over the

world, including here. So my

parents were transitioning from communism to capitalism. My dad,

especially, he started his own business, but the business had,

like, a very difficult time taking off. It actually took my dad

around 10 to 15 years to have, you

know, an to experience abundance from his

business. And you can imagine the more that that left a

mark as well. So combining, you know, this obsession for

how people work and understanding that and mainly

understanding myself because the reason why that happened was because I had

no confidence. And this

idea, this relationship with money, this

is how kind of, I came to be. But before

being a coach, I actually had another passion. I I started the

first ever personal development through martial arts program, and that's

why my work is called the Warrior Shaman Business

Growth System. You know,

that's interesting because, you know, in in doing

research for this interview, and I went on

to, YouTube and and and searched for you,

actually saw some videos of you talking about

martial arts and and that. And so,

it's interesting because I always think about when I think about martial arts,

I just think about the discipline, and I think about the, you know, the

the repetition and the mastery

that goes into all of that. So so that's

interesting how you've sort of, like, connected the dots and and

and, and how you've used that now in your business.

Can you talk a little bit about that? Like, what are some of the the

principles, or what what did you learn from martial arts that really applies

to, you know, what you're doing and and, with the

work that you do with your clients? Sure. The the

core the core principle that I got from martial art was

martial arts was yin and yang. Because if you're always on the

offensive, you're losing because you're actually being the one

controlled. And if you're always on the defensive, you're still losing.

You need a healthy balance between yin and yang. Actually, everything

everything, everything is yin and yang.

You cannot grow your business without having a period

of chaos. Right? I

see this all the time with myself, with my clients. Whenever they

tap into a new level of confidence of saying, hey, this is what

I want from life. The first thing that happens, the

house gets cleaned up. Right? All of the shit, all

of the negative can can I swear on this? Oh, sure. Yeah. Go ahead. We

don't I don't think we have any kids in our audience.

Perfect. So all the shit that

was buried deep down comes

to the surface for you to deal with. And

it's a natural rhythm of life. Right? We we like to

talk about balance as entrepreneurs. Balance is a.

Balance is knowing when to sit and when to move, right? Because

balance having this this idea of balance of

nothing moving, that means that you're dead.

So everything when it comes to my work has this yin andang

approach. The warrior shaman apparent opposites. They're not.

It's spiral because the warrior feeds the shaman, the shaman feeds

the warrior. The shaman heals limiting beliefs

and turns trauma into treasure. The warrior

allows you to tap into higher levels of confidence So

that you go after bigger projects, bigger clients, charge

what you're worth, and thrive. And

couple that with business strategies, personalized

business strategies. What I find usually is that you pay for business

coaching, buying great strategies that are lead generation

sales, service delivery, but then you're because

your mindset doesn't match your the level of your business strategies, you'd never

really fully use it. You don't believe you deserve success. You don't

believe that you can handle

or learn these new strategies. So you kinda either procrastinate you, put

it to the side, or

you kind of half ass it. Right? The same

thing happens with mindset. You buy some mindset coaching. Right? You get a bit of,

a better handle on your emotions. Maybe you learn a bit about manifesting

more abundance, but then it's like, okay. But how do I actually generate leads in

sales calls? I love to give the people I work with

both. I I don't believe in cookie cutter business strategies. I didn't

I don't believe in cookie cutter mindset approaches. I need to understand exactly

what's going on. See exactly what's kind of

driving you and what's blocking you. And then

together, of course, I give suggestions, but it's like,

you know, if I give you a system, my system,

and it works for you, I failed as a

coach. My definition of

success is I awaken the business owner inside of you

who can create the systems, the tools, the mindset, everything that you

need to elevate.

Interesting. Yeah. Because and that's where you see so so

much of coaching, especially in

business, is, you know, use my strategy, use my

tactic. And, and then and,

of course, we always need to be learning

about how, you know, tactics evolve and how the

technology evolves, and that's just good information and keeping us up

to date. But then how to apply it, real that's where

we apply our own creativity to it and and then but, also, what do we

bring bring to it? Yeah. A 100%.

And what I find is that the how really doesn't matter that much. The

how is easy. You find the how online on YouTube. It's

free. Right? What matters is the who.

Mhmm. Who you're being when you're using these strategies? Are

you being your most confident self? Or are you being the

version of you who's full of fear and doubts? Right? You might

have the best sales script. If you don't believe in yourself,

if you don't believe in what you're selling, doesn't

matter. The how doesn't matter. It's all about the who. Who are

you choosing to be in this moment?

No. That's, that's a really good point because I I tell the people in

my group program all the all the time that, you know, what it

because they ask me, you know, what does it what does it take, you

know, to sell at higher prices or to sell this

higher ticket program or, you know, or it could be some other

question. And the the answer often comes

down to confidence when you can speak about it

with confidence. And the question always is, does

your program help people? And if the

answer isn't yes, you're gonna have a really

big problem selling it. It doesn't matter the price point. It doesn't

matter the features and the benefits. It doesn't matter the bonuses and all of that.

It's does your program help people? Do you truly believe that it

helps people transform or to get a better result?

Yeah. And, you know, like, 2 things come up. The first

is you'd be surprised how many people have

exceptional results and still doubt themselves when it comes to selling more.

I'll give you, I'll give you a concrete example. One of my most recent clients,

This guy who, his

specialty is helping experts make more money

in 5 days than they do in a

year. He runs a done for

you 5 day challenge service, sets everything up for

his clients. One of his clients was making 5

k a month. With the 5 day challenge, he made a

$160,000. Another one of his clients

made $460,000. And

my client was struggling to make any sales. He didn't make he made zero

sales in

the past 3 months. And I'm like, dude, what are

you doing? Why are you not talking about these case studies we're off to bat?

Why isn't it on your, you know, talk about strategy? Why isn't

this the first thing that people see on your your profile? Fine. Right?

You say you help them more make more money in 5 days than the whole

year. So what? Where's the proof? Right? And we worked on his

confidence. Amazing results. No

confidence. Mhmm. 1st week, 6 k.

Next week, 4 k. The the other week, 10 k.

20 k in 2 weeks. Right? Why? Because that was

the missing component, confidence. And, you

know, the second thing that popped up when you were you were sharing about your

clients, and it's interesting, this just came to Like we have this,

this phrase what does it take? What what it what

does it take to get a specific result? Right? But what if replaced we

replace it with what does it give?

Right? What do you need to give? Or rather

who do you need to give to the world to achieve that certain

result? Are you bringing your best self to this table?

And your best self is like there's nothing like there's no perfect version of you

but there's definitely that future super successful version of you that you're

aiming for. Bring that version of you here in the now.

Market like that person would. Sell like that person would.

Lead like that person would. Have the standards

that that person would. And you're giving the

world a whole new energy, and the world is giving that back to

you in many different ways. Mhmm.

In business conversations I hear so often, you know, a lot of

there's a lot of, lot of emphasis on strategic

planning, in goal setting, having your

vision, and all of that. And what I really hear you talking

about, what we've really, you know, honed in on here in this in this

interview is because we have talked not at all about

strategy. We have not talked at all about, you know, vision and all of

that. It's really about, it's really

about, you know, confidence. And like you said, you

know, who do you need to be to to to get that

result? So,

I'd love to hear a little bit about the

conversation that you are having with your,

potential clients. Are they coming to you where they

already realize that there's something going

on internally, or are they still looking externally? And

then, in in other words, how open are

they to looking at that, or are you then having this conversation and then

helping them to see that, wait a minute. It's maybe not this

tactic that you need. It's really more just inside

of you is where we need to work first.

It it that's that's great. That's a good question.

And, you know, to kinda circle a bit back, strategy and vision are

essential. Right? There is no way you can build that level of confidence with how

it's having a vision of where and who you wanna be. There's no way you

can bring that version of you forth. There's no way you

can create it's like

yeah, it's again the yin and yang idea. Now in terms

of the people coming to me, it it depends on the person. I

mean, if we're talking about a shamanic healer,

right, of course, they're gonna be a lot more self aware

of, hey, You know, my my energy is a bit off. I'm not really,

you know, being in my I'm not flowing, let's say, a lot. That's kind of

the language that will be, used. Or I'm not into my

abundance and into scarcity and so on and so forth.

Whereas the majority of, in terms of awareness,

it's okay. I I just need more

clients or I need better clients. I just need a way to get more leads

through the door. The general tendency is

to look at the outside, the external events

happening. And, yeah, that's kind of where I focus

my marketing as well. Right? There is, like, you have to soften the

mind first, the physical mind before you can reach the heart.

So they're coming to you with some degree of openness about having that

conversation, and you're not necessarily having to convince them, well,

you know, that, you know, you're you're you're looking externally,

but we also need to be looking internally. And

It depends. It depends. It's like, I

speak to where the client is. I mean,

if strategy is the most important thing, what I usually like to do

is talk strategy and show them how simple

strategy is, and it's, like, not a big deal. And then

say, hey. Guess what? You know all of this.

So why do you think you're not doing it? Well, you know, because

and then we get to the core. And that's where it really comes

out. Yep. Right? You hear it all the time, you know, in,

you know, procrastination. You know? And and that's another,

you know, word that comes up in in my group coaching program, which

I've been running for, you know, this is, I think, 13

years now that we've been running it, and

people know what to do. You can give them the steps. You can give them

the checklist. You can give them the procedures. I can give 2

people the exact same set of instructions. 1

will take that and run within an Excel, and

the other one appears to still be at the starting line.

And then when you unpack, it's like, you know, I'll get the question, like,

how do I stop procrastinating? And I always you know, I've this is something

that I it's a question I journal about. It's a it's something that

I, look to understand more and more.

And my today's understanding of procrastination is

is really a matter of clarity. And what I find is when

people know what they need to do, but they don't do it, there's

there's there's there's some still something that they're

unclear about. And and maybe

it is like, oh, if I do this new thing, I'll be undoing all these

other good things that I have in place, like like like the

the, you know, the case of your client. But,

you know, I'd love to hear your opinion on on on

procrastination, why people aren't doing what they need to do even though they need

to do it. I think you're you're on point that it's

clarity, but what where

people miss the mark on is which

dimension are we talking about in terms of clarity. And here's what I

mean. One of

my clients, a copywriter, she was making good money. You know, she was making

6 figures, but working like a like a maniac.

But no matter how hard she works, she couldn't go over

12 Canvas. Right? And

she wasn't even a client. We did this, session together.

I had her connect with her father. Her father had passed

away for maybe over a decade

and the thing that she connected with was one of the last

things that her father told her on her deathbed.

Can you guess what that was?

Unheard on on his deathbed. Yeah. I'm I

I nothing comes to mind instantly about that.

He said, don't be greedy. Don't

be greedy.

That can be interpreted a lot of ways. And and and

then, you know, if that and then installs a belief,

you're gonna start acting in accordance

with that. Wow. Yeah. And what does don't be greedy mean?

My client was procrastinating selling to higher local

clients even though she made her clients millions. She was

procrastinating showing up and saying, hey, this

is who I work with. These are my people. And she was just saying that

comfort zone of, hey, you know, at least I know the money is coming in

every month. Right? So the reason why she was procrastinating

was because in the back of her head, she still had that image of if

she became too successful, she would disappoint her father.

We removed that, and then she made 25

cameraman. Wow. Minimum effort Mhmm.

Compared to the hustle and grind she was dealing with, with

before. So, yeah, it's a 100% that's clarity,

but it's not that obvious

where you need clarity in. So in this case,

it there's clarity, but there's also a belief

that if I'm being bold, then I'm also

dishonoring what my father said and that I'm being

greedy. By wanting more, I am being greedy. That's that's what I

hear you saying. And so so that's where belief so it's kind of

like so so clarity, but underneath

all of that, that may be leading to the unclarity

is this this belief that

because I could see the, you know, sort of the tug of war that be

could become you know, happening in in one's

mind. It's like, oh, I know I need to charge more. I know that my

work is worth more, but I also made this promise

not to be greedy. So, therefore, I you know, that that

it's out of alignment, and that's going to lead to unclarity. I'm

unclear about what I believe, and I'm unclear on what I'm even

allowed to charge because it doesn't align with

with, with with what I was told and

now what I believe. Right? And so Yeah. Interesting.

I could unpack that one all day because and, again, this is the the

that pursuit of not only understanding it more

from my own perspective, but then how how

do I improve the, when I'm coaching people,

how to improve the the coaching that

then is delivered to them. And, no, there's no one

size fits all answers. There's always a there's always a layer

underneath it. Right? And it's like, what is that? And in this

client's case, it was don't be greedy. In another client's case,

it could be some other, you know, belief or decision that

they have made that puts them out of alignment when they

want more. Right? Yeah. And, you know,

I I think a lot of us are more afraid of success because it's a

new world. Mhmm. And it's comes with a lot of

uncertainty. Because, like,

you try something, you fail, you can go back to what you know.

Mhmm. Yeah. I just I find

the whole thing fascinating. So I wanna turn

the the conversation a little bit more to the

work that you do because I think for anyone listening in here

who is I mean, our our audience are entrepreneurs,

different you know, various different levels, growing their business. And I think that if

there's one thing that we all have in common is there's always

a there's always a goal. There's always a you

know, I wanna build this thing. I wanna grow this thing. I you

know? And, and and it's not always

money, but the way we often measure ourselves and our

success is, oh, I do this much per I do 6 figures a year

or 7 figures a year or 8 figures a year or 9 figures a year,

whatever it is. And so wherever you're

at in that journey right now, and you

might be finding that maybe you have stayed at the same

level for a certain period of time, unable to

kinda break past that. Or you have a

goal, and for some reason, you have not been able to

realize that goal. So I wanted to ask you a little bit about you know,

for anyone who's listening in who might be thinking about that, you know,

what what what is your advice in terms of some of the next

steps they should take to, you know, maybe look at things

differently and, you know, to take some new steps

to towards getting a a better result.

It's difficult because it's

very personal to each person. I mean,

if just logging into YouTube and following I'm some sometimes it works. It's like

the right information to hit hits you at the right time, and it

knocks you over the head so strongly that you instantly

create a a huge shift. But

it's difficult to understand what's holding you back because it's

you know, my coach is I don't have eyes in the back of my head,

you know, to see what's, what's going on, to see myself from from the

outside. The best thing you could do is if you don't have

people who like,

having someone who can clearly see things for you, we're always so much

better at seeing other people's challenges and and

the solutions for them as long as we can tell them the truth.

Having somebody who can speak the truth to you whether you're just starting

out and

maybe a friend who's honest with you and gets what you're doing with the

business, gets the vision, gets you, gets your goals, Right? And

can really support you and tell you, hey. You know what? I I feel like

this is like you're not showing up really here in this way. Right? Whether

it's be being having more discipline or,

more confidence or, you know, whatever that is.

And if you're a higher level, that's even harder to get on the around you

because you're higher you're surrounded by people who

don't wanna fall from your grace, who look up to you,

and that's even harder. But, yeah, that's that's

kind of it, having that external perspective

with a 100% honesty and they don't give a fuck if

they upset you, that can be very cathartic

and can launch you forwards. And as long as you take it through your own

filter and see how it fits, you try it out. Right? Does this this

is good for me? Do I feel good applying this or do I see the

potential in it or not? Right? But at

least you get to try out something new, like a a

new shirt or something like that and see how it fits.

Yeah. We can see what we can see at the end of the

day. So but that's fine. Right? It's okay. I

I I think a lot of the pain and frustration is

feeling like if we don't figure out ourselves, we somehow

failed. It happened. So that's a really

good point. I think, you know, what you're really speaking to there, and I know

it was a very tough question to answer, but but, really,

that's the benefit of of coaching is that it's you know,

so many people do try to answer this for themselves.

And, you know, what if you just had a conversation

with someone like Bogdan who could help you

to ask different questions, who could see things in a different

way? And, and and everyone's

answer is going to be different. So what is your

answer? What is the thing that,

that you need to become aware of and where changes can be

made that can, lead to, you know, bigger

impact, bigger results in your business. And I'll make sure that all

your, all your contact information is beneath this

video. And then if you're listening to this on podcast, it will be, right there,

in the show notes. And, reach out to him.

And and so now, before we run out of time, I know that

you also have a podcast, and, and so I wanted to ask you,

what what is the best way for people to connect with you and reach out

to you? And, and then tell us a little bit about your podcast as well.

Thank you. Thank you, Chuck. Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily

have to be, you know, a coach. Somebody who can be

honest with you. That's that's the number one thing. And if you don't have somebody

like that, yeah. Sure. You know, find the right coach for you.

But, yeah, best way to get in touch with me would be my Instagram. I'm

playing around with, a lot with Instagram

reels. I'm trying I'm making them funny and,

educational using a bit of a martial arts flair. Like,

the other day, I was like, how many business growth insights can I

share while hitting these dog toys with nunchucks and

so, like, silly stuff like that because of my twisted sense of humor?

But if you wanna learn more about my work, YouTube or the

podcast is called Real Freedom Elevator. I interview 6 to 9

figure earners to talk about what freedom is for them,

how they're strategizing and optimizing their businesses for freedom

because not everyone signed up for, you

know, 12 hour, 14 hour workdays and not seeing your I mean

they're fine as long as you have that quality time

in and you're loving yourself first

because you're the source of the business.

Mhmm. And, yeah, that's what we do in the podcast.

Fantastic. Well, we'll make sure all those links, the Instagram

and the podcast and whatever else you wanna send me, I will put that

right beneath this video and in the podcast show notes. And I

encourage people to go and have a listen. Go check out YouTube. Go check out

the podcast. Reach out. Connect with Bogdan on Instagram.

And, and, you know, obviously, you can if you're if

you're here listening right now, you know that it's time well spent.

And and so, now before we bring this episode

to a close, because this all of this has been amazing, and we've done this

really deep dive into, you know, you know, really, what does

it take to, you know, grow ourselves and grow our business.

And, you know, a big part of that journey over the last 30 years has

been what I've learned from some great thought leaders in terms of

books, some that talk about business strategy,

others that talk about, you know, really what it takes to, you

know, grow ourselves and and be successful. And,

I certainly have my favorite book. So while I have you here, and

I ask this of all my guests, if you had a

book that you would recommend to someone is, you know, a

must read or maybe they're even their next read.

And I know it's challenging to pick only 1, but if you were to pick

one book to recommend, which book would that be?

Could I could I give 2? Or there's Okay. I can I've done that for

other guests, so I I will, I will allow it today. There you

go. The books that that had the highest

impact on my life personally were The Magic of Thinking Big by

David Schwartz. This is actually first

ever personal development book I ever read. And the second

one was The Surrender Experiment by, Michael

Singer. Really? I have not read either

of those. I've I've heard of the first one. The second one, I've not heard.

So tell us a little bit about both of the books just so we can

kinda get the idea. The the the thing that I

remember from the book was actually the first page. It just stood out to me

so much. Like, there's this sales, board or whatever. There

was, like, recapping the sales numbers for the month.

And it's like, Carl, you

know, Carl sold 5 times more than any of you

than the average. Why is that? Is far Carl 5 times smarter

than you? No. Or, you know, whatever. Did he work 5

times hard? No. He just thought 5 times

bigger than you. That's like, you know,

it just blew my mind. And the surrender experiment by

Michael Singer, this guy who just wanted to be a yogi and meditate in the

woods, He made a decision one day that he was just going to

trust life no matter what.

And he would he would talk about these things that would

happen and he'd be like, oh my god. You know, this is the

horrible what are we gonna do? But then he would just center himself

saying, you know what? There's a purpose for this. And then

immediately after, this huge

opportunity opens up for him every

single time. So it was a huge lesson

in the sense that what we love to call negative

is actually opening a tremendously

big door that we previously didn't have access

to as long as we keep this

love and trust and and, yeah,

confidence that it's it's working for us, that life is actually

working for us. Incredibly powerful book.

Wow. Amazing recommendation, and I'll add that to our

library. And, I will put the links to that, beneath the

video and and in the podcast as well. Mhmm. What's your favorite

book, Chuck? My favorite book?

I've got several, and, of course, it is, so

difficult to to, to pick

just 1. But there's one that I have

listened to and relistened to

again and again and again. And it's a book

that was written in the twenties called The Game of Life and

How to Play It by Florence Scoville

Shinn. And it's interesting

because it again, it's not about a certain thing that you

do. It's it's really about who are you

being, what, you know, what what do you believe,

that, you know, if you don't believe something is going to happen,

then it's not going to happen. And and so it's like,

and so to really be mindful

of the things that we say and the

beliefs that we have, and do they align with the result that we

wanna have, in our life? Do I wanna have a

thriving business? You know, is it a business that I

enjoy and love that's growing? Am I in

a relationship that is loving and thriving?

And, you know, there are just so many different scenarios

in that business and then, or in that book. And then

also stories of people who, you know, the

throwaway comments like, oh, you're a you're a pain in my

ass or or whatever. And and then all of a sudden, that person has

a medical condition, in that part of their body.

And, and so, you know, we have to be,

careful of the things that we say. There was a

story in there about a person saying, yeah. If I

if I if I keep listening to people like you, then, I'm

gonna end up living in a box. And, and

so, within a few years, that person had

a financial, upset. They lost their home,

ended up being homeless and living in a box. And, you know,

so it's you know, we have to be very mindful of the things that we

repeat, the things that we say, the things that we

believe, and are in the in true alignment. And we

might be joking and we might be sarcastic, but our subconscious mind

does not know that. Right. Mhmm. So that's I'll

I'll list that book in the in the show notes as well. It's a it's

a great book. It's a very easy read. In fact, you can find the

audiobook for free on YouTube. That's, it

it's a it's a it's a good one. Game of life and

how to play it. Yeah. The game of life and how to play it.

And so who knew that somebody in the twenties was so wise?

So It's it's So, anyways,

Bogdan, thank you so much for the time, in this interview.

This has been amazing. And so it's,

you know, I I think we could spend hours really unpacking, you

know, so many of these things. But at a high level, I think it's it

gives business owners a a place to look and

also a place to connect to, you know, to to have these

conversations and and to really look at things differently.

And so if we were to, end this episode with just final

words of wisdom or piece of advice that you wanna leave people with, what

would you leave them with here today?

You're stronger than you know.

So true. You're stronger than you know. Great words

to end this episode by. So, Bogdan, thank you so much for

being my guest on this show, for,

our audience who's still listening in and getting value from everything

that you, learned here today, and I want this to be

time well spent for you. I would like you to take one thing

that you identified or that you thought about or stood out to

you, in this episode, and I want you to identify

an action step that you can take today towards

that. Maybe it's reaching out to Bogdan. Maybe it's reading one of these books.

Maybe it's some other idea or maybe something that you've been putting off or like,

you know what? I was gonna do this bold thing, and I have not been

doing it. I'm gonna go and take a step towards that today. Go and do

that. And, you know, despite the challenges,

despite the obstacles, believe that you can do this.

Keep moving forward. This has been the Creative Collaboration Show.

I'm Chuck Anderson, and we'll see you on the next one. Thank you, everybody.