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From Psychedelics to Enlightenment: Scott's Awakening to the Eternal Soul
Episode 11 • 31st January 2022 • The Infinite Life with Katische Haberfield • Katische Haberfield
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Join us for an episode that explores the concept of eternal consciousness and the transformative power of psychedelics. Our guest, Scott Ohlgren, shares his profound experience with the teachings of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which led him to a life-altering realization about the nature of his soul. We also hear from a listener who experienced a past life regression and gained unexpected insights into her driving skills. This episode is sure to leave you contemplating the mysteries of the universe and the infinite possibilities of the human mind.

This week's guest:

Scott Ohlgren is the owner and formulator of Synaptic Scientific, a manufacturer of a plant-based nutraceutical product called Cognition™ . Scott has a long interest in natural foods as medicine going back to the mid-70s, and a particular love of cognitive herbal formulas. After traveling around the world, including a 6-month stay in the Coolum, Queensland area, he returned to the US and graduated from a natural foods school in the ’80s, and wrote three books on the diet-disease/diet-health connection that sold 80,000 hard copies in print.

https://synapticscientific.com/

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Welcome to The Infinite Life, a transformative podcast that dives deep into the mysteries of the soul, past lives, and the infinite nature of existence. As a Spiritual Regression Therapist, Medium, Author, and Spirit Releasement Therapist, I've helped countless individuals unlock the secrets of their past lives and embrace their true spiritual potential.

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Katische:

Welcome to the Infinite

Katische:

Life Podcast with Katische.

Katische:

In this episode, we have a very special

Katische:

guest today, and his name is Scott.

Katische:

Scott Ohlgren.

Katische:

Is that how I pronounce it, Scott?

Katische:

Yes, correct.

Katische:

Perfect.

Katische:

You got my name incorrect immediately

Katische:

with not even knowing who I was on the

Katische:

podcast recorder, and I was so impressed

Katische:

because Kati is not an easy name to

Katische:

actually pronounce, you know, site unseen.

Katische:

So that was just like, this man

Katische:

gets a million bonus brownie

Katische:

points already, . So thanks for

Katische:

coming on the show today, Scott.

Katische:

And listen, listeners, listeners, in the

Katische:

last episode, um, Scott left me a voice

Katische:

message on the podcast recorder, and I

Katische:

tell you, it, it made my day because he

Katische:

basically gave me a thumbs up for the

Katische:

work that we're doing in this podcast

Katische:

and for, I guess, encouraging people

Katische:

to think about the continuation of

Katische:

human life and the, um, eternal nature

Katische:

of our soul and our soul's journey.

Katische:

So thank you for that, Scott.

Katische:

So Scott, let's start with, um, why

Katische:

did you, um, feel that you wanted

Katische:

to give me some encouragement?

Katische:

Like what is the background to, um,

Katische:

contacting me and what it is about your

Katische:

story that you think it's important

Katische:

for other people to think about?

Katische:

You know, that the fact that they

Katische:

might not die and it be the end

Katische:

when they get buried or cremated?

Scott:

Good question.

Scott:

I'm not, I'm, I'm, I naturally

Scott:

would not, I don't listen to a

Scott:

lot of podcasts about past lives.

Scott:

It's, I don't even read

Scott:

about it that much anymore.

Scott:

Uh, but I think it could

Scott:

be a, a couple of things.

Scott:

Number one, I'm, I'm,

Scott:

uh, 65 years old now.

Scott:

It really is true that as you get older

Scott:

you start to have a sense of, even a

Scott:

stronger sense of where am I holding back?

Scott:

Cuz you know, at some point,

Scott:

none of this is gonna matter.

Scott:

You know, are there things

Scott:

that are, they're important

Scott:

that you need to talk about?

Scott:

And I think the second thing is the,

Scott:

oh, what's occurred in my own country?

Scott:

And, you know, it might, might be the

Scott:

political landscape here, the strong,

Scott:

strong black and white divisions that have

Scott:

been occurring, that shocked everybody,

Scott:

you know, in my own country here.

Scott:

And then of course, on top of that,

Scott:

why not throw in a pandemic and all of

Scott:

the twists and turns at that has done.

Scott:

Uh, but that when I saw your, and

Scott:

I saw what you were doing, and then

Scott:

I saw some of the things and then

Scott:

just your whole, your whole being.

Scott:

And I just thought, God, this

Scott:

is the, this is what the world

Scott:

needs is what is missing to me is.

Scott:

That sense of bigger than

Scott:

one's own physical body, one's

Scott:

own egocentric point of view.

Scott:

And, and then it just made me reflect on

Scott:

why am I different in that way, you know?

Scott:

And, and I thought about my

Scott:

own powerful experiences, um,

Scott:

40 years ago, even longer.

Scott:

And I thought, and, and the people

Scott:

I hang out with that have had

Scott:

similar, extraordinarily expansive.

Scott:

Past life kind of vibe to them.

Scott:

And that once you have that experience

Scott:

in a very visceral, undeniable

Scott:

sense, then everything changes.

Scott:

And I will say it's interesting,

Scott:

we were talking a little bit about

Scott:

religion before we co on, because you

Scott:

had been one of your past, uh, uh,

Scott:

interviews was with a Mormon person.

Scott:

I'm actually very, I wouldn't say ardently

Scott:

anti-religion, but it bothers me any

Scott:

kind of fixed set of rules that don't

Scott:

allow you to think outside of that box.

Scott:

I, I have my whole life been fascinated

Scott:

by, Uh, cults and cult thinking and how it

Scott:

happens and why it happens and to whom it

Scott:

happens, and then the process of getting

Scott:

out of it and what a, a cult thinking is.

Scott:

I wish there was a better term.

Scott:

I'm sure there is, but it's basically

Scott:

any kind of en trapped cosmology that

Scott:

has that part of its cosmology says you

Scott:

are a sinner if you think outside of this

Scott:

cosmology or you're an idiot, when in

Scott:

fact once you have an experience of past

Scott:

lives and something that hap that, that

Scott:

occurred to me before this lifetime and

Scott:

I think is even occurring in, in, even

Scott:

beyond this, then it, those types of boxes

Scott:

that are classically designed like a.

Scott:

Religion are, uh, they, they, they

Scott:

make, they're upsetting because you,

Scott:

you, they stop asking the questions and

Scott:

somebody up on high with a certain type

Scott:

of robe or generally they're the old men,

Scott:

you know, which really pisses me off.

Scott:

You know, they, they're the ones

Scott:

telling you and wagging their fingers

Scott:

saying, we know what the 10 rules

Scott:

are, we know what the six rules

Scott:

are, and the tenants here and all.

Scott:

And that stuff has always upset me deeply.

Scott:

And it actually is why I think what

Scott:

has been happening my own country.

Scott:

The last few, uh, You know,

Scott:

six, seven years has been more

Scott:

upsetting because it has that vibe.

Scott:

It has all of the earmarks

Scott:

of cult thinking, right?

Scott:

People trapped inside of a

Scott:

certain way of thinking that only

Scott:

there's only white, black, right?

Scott:

Wrong and then unaware of

Scott:

their own thinking process.

Scott:

So all of that is, is what has been on

Scott:

my mind and my own, my own work, my own

Scott:

design work in strong plant medicine,

Scott:

uh, neurotropics, uh, nutraceuticals.

Scott:

That has been my career

Scott:

for the last few decades.

Scott:

Well, somehow when I saw what you were

Scott:

doing, I realized this is helping.

Scott:

What I'm trying to do, this is,

Scott:

this is part of the solution.

Scott:

It's about returning to the awe and

Scott:

having that awe experience somehow of this

Scott:

is so much bigger than what you think.

Scott:

Cuz you can't think, I don't

Scott:

think in a trapped mind.

Scott:

You've had the experiences

Scott:

Kish that you had.

Scott:

You can't, you, there's, you have

Scott:

that more, that sense of awe and

Scott:

wonder around the mystery of life.

Scott:

Because it came, it had so much depth

Scott:

before me and so much depth afterwards.

Scott:

So that's a heck of a long answer to that

Scott:

. Katische: Um, now tell me

Scott:

this feeling about religion.

Scott:

I just want to dive into that for

Scott:

a second because, um, I can tell

Scott:

you my perspective, but sometimes

Scott:

when you have a really, um, strong

Scott:

interest in say, like that cult-like

Scott:

framework and the personal looking at

Scott:

a situation thinking, this is crazy.

Scott:

This, this whole religion thing,

Scott:

and religions are becoming undo.

Scott:

As we speak, but did you have a strong

Scott:

family upbringing in religion that

Scott:

has made you then as an adult, think,

Scott:

oh, I don't agree with what I was

Scott:

taught, or do you think that you had

Scott:

a role in a previous life that was

Scott:

in a strong religious context that

Scott:

has made you in this life go Yeah.

Scott:

And in religion's, not

Scott:

for me in this life?

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

I think, I think, I think

Scott:

it's more the latter.

Scott:

I think it is actually the, the latter.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

In other words, it, it, I didn't

Scott:

have a strong religious upbringing.

Scott:

I'm here in America.

Scott:

If you come from the Midwest, a lot of the

Scott:

Midwestern states are, uh, kind of, uh,

Scott:

they're more Lutheran Methodist, which are

Scott:

pretty kind of considered, Hey everyone,

Scott:

we should all get along kind of religions.

Scott:

And they're very loosely structured.

Scott:

But even at, and, and I came from a very

Scott:

small farm town population, 2100 people.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

Um, Uh, uh, we weren't farmers, but it

Scott:

was, you know, very, very, very, there

Scott:

was, everything was far and in between.

Scott:

We were maybe 25 miles outside

Scott:

of, uh, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Scott:

So it, it just had a small town,

Scott:

very small town feel to it.

Scott:

And, I wasn't exposed to

Scott:

anything alternative at all.

Scott:

So everything was really in

Scott:

the back of my mind going, this

Scott:

isn't, there's something off here.

Scott:

I wanna explore something further.

Scott:

And I still have a very

Scott:

strong memory of my mom.

Scott:

She, we lived right next to the

Scott:

Methodist Church and my mom, you know,

Scott:

having us go to Sunday every day.

Scott:

And I just hated it.

Scott:

Hated it, hated it.

Scott:

And I was not a radical kid,

Scott:

like you know, or real, you know,

Scott:

against my parents or anything.

Scott:

But in eighth grade they have

Scott:

something I think called confirmation.

Scott:

It's like sort of like in that church,

Scott:

I don't even know exactly all what it

Scott:

meant, but I remember, you know, for every

Scott:

Sunday me going, God, mom, I hate this.

Scott:

And she said, okay, well, At

Scott:

the end of eighth grade here,

Scott:

it was just getting real close.

Scott:

You can make a decision, you know,

Scott:

and if you go to this, you know,

Scott:

go to that, that confirmation, pre

Scott:

confirmation stuff and at the end of

Scott:

it, you don't want to do, you, you

Scott:

can do, you don't have to do that.

Scott:

And oh my gosh, that was the first

Scott:

time, cuz I remember that meeting

Scott:

with the minister or pastor, whatever

Scott:

they're called, and eighth, you

Scott:

know, eighth grade, what is that?

Scott:

12 years old.

Scott:

And I'm sitting there with arms crossed

Scott:

and he says, so okay, you know, you ready?

Scott:

And I said, no, this is it.

Scott:

I'm done.

Scott:

So even back then, and so I do think

Scott:

it is, has something more to do with.

Scott:

Way before I, I got in here.

Scott:

Cause I actually think, and I've had, you

Scott:

know, friends who know me well say you

Scott:

were probably one of those abusive people

Scott:

that was a priest or something, you know,

Scott:

way back there telling people what to do.

Scott:

And I might agree with that.

Scott:

I don't have a memory of it, but I

Scott:

think that's part of a lot of past

Scott:

lives is one of the last thoughts

Scott:

as you're dying is never again.

Katische:

Hmm.

Katische:

You do make vows.

Katische:

Never again.

Scott:

Never again.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And what about then when you were,

Katische:

um, because you left a message on

Katische:

my, on the podcast recorder that you.

Katische:

You came to Australia

Katische:

and you traveled wild.

Katische:

Did you also travel to different

Katische:

countries that exposed yourself

Katische:

to different religious beliefs?

Katische:

Like did you go to India or anywhere in

Katische:

Asia, um, to help with that awakening

Katische:

process in terms of understanding that

Katische:

there are multiple points of view about

Katische:

the world and what God is, who God is.

Katische:

What is God called like,

Katische:

and the introduction to the

Katische:

belief of reincarnation.

Katische:

Did you get exposed that way or

Katische:

how did you get introduced to the

Katische:

concept that perhaps life might go on?

Scott:

Um, well, you know, it was

Scott:

never a next, a real foreign idea.

Scott:

It wasn't something I ever thought,

Scott:

boy, I'm really against that.

Scott:

Yeah, it just, I didn't have

Scott:

a real physical experience of,

Scott:

you know, a real, uh, embodied

Scott:

experience of it until later on.

Scott:

I, I, uh, early on I.

Scott:

I came from a family of, uh, five

Scott:

kids and I was the second oldest.

Scott:

And I, and I don't know what was in

Scott:

our genes, but we all were travelers.

Scott:

We were all, we couldn't wait to open

Scott:

the gates and get the heck outta Dodge.

Scott:

Yep.

Scott:

And my sister did it literally

Scott:

the day after she graduated.

Scott:

She was a year, two years older

Scott:

than me and we all sat, wow.

Scott:

That is so cool.

Scott:

And I followed her.

Scott:

My brother followed me, my sister

Scott:

followed me, my younger brother.

Scott:

I mean, we all just scattered

Scott:

to the, you know, the four wins.

Scott:

And me in particular, uh, what really

Scott:

gave me solace growing up and, you

Scott:

know, not being a sports guy and

Scott:

being kinda shy, was travel books.

Scott:

And I locked onto those things like, like

Scott:

they were food, like they were medicine.

Scott:

And I thought, that's who I wanna be.

Scott:

I didn't know how I was gonna do it, but,

Scott:

um, I dropped outta college real quickly.

Scott:

I mean, my, my dad, you know, small town.

Scott:

I graduated in 1974.

Scott:

He basically, back then, you either

Scott:

work in a local factory here or

Scott:

you go and get a college education.

Scott:

That was it.

Scott:

Those were, that was kind of the,

Scott:

the, either or, it was never,

Scott:

it was never said that way, but

Scott:

you kind of figured that out.

Scott:

And my dad, Had an engineering degree,

Scott:

but he quickly switched over into whatever

Scott:

he was, you know, uh, business he was

Scott:

in or whatever he was working for.

Scott:

He was good at the sales part.

Scott:

So they would send him out and he

Scott:

would come back and we would wake

Scott:

up at two o'clock in the morning

Scott:

as my dad was driving in and, you

Scott:

know, go, wow, where'd you go?

Scott:

You know?

Scott:

And back then of course it's like,

Scott:

yeah, I went to Indiana, I went

Scott:

to Ohio, you went to Florida.

Scott:

You know, and that's like the, whoa.

Scott:

And for those, you know, well, you

Scott:

guys know now, but I mean, there've

Scott:

been like, uh, I don't know, you

Scott:

traveling to say, uh, Brisbane.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

You know, Far away, or you

Scott:

cross the me bar desert.

Scott:

Whoa, you went to Earth.

Scott:

And so that was what it was.

Scott:

And I was just like, oh,

Scott:

that's who I wanna be.

Scott:

But I, I quickly realized I

Scott:

couldn't understand college at all.

Scott:

And so I, I dropped out and I,

Scott:

uh, I started working at ski

Scott:

areas and things like that.

Scott:

And then I got an opportunity to

Scott:

become a learned carpentry in what

Scott:

was, I guess, kind of our version

Scott:

of the Outback, which is Wyoming.

Scott:

And Wyoming and Montana

Scott:

are like the wild West.

Scott:

They still are.

Scott:

They still are.

Scott:

Even now, you know, they're,

Scott:

they're not that populated.

Scott:

It's really, you know, it's kind

Scott:

of the, it's the cowboys out there.

Scott:

And I loved it and I learned,

Scott:

I picked it up really quickly.

Scott:

I bought an old house with the

Scott:

help my dad at 20 years old.

Scott:

I mean an old house.

Scott:

This is, you know, like

Scott:

it's falling apart.

Scott:

Fixed it up year and a half later.

Scott:

I had enough money to do what I'd been

Scott:

wanting to do since I was 16 years

Scott:

old, which just travel around the

Scott:

world, hitchhike around the world.

Scott:

That back then that was the way, oh yeah.

Scott:

So that's what it was.

Scott:

I got, I got really deep into

Scott:

traveling, so it, it wasn't so

Scott:

much I was looking for religion.

Scott:

I was just wanted, I, I love people.

Scott:

I wanted to be in front of

Scott:

different types of people.

Scott:

I wanted to see as many types of

Scott:

people as possible, and that's

Scott:

kind of, You know, I gotta started

Scott:

getting exposed to different groups.

Scott:

Interesting.

Scott:

You mentioned Australia, cuz I, I hadn't

Scott:

thought about this, but I actually met

Scott:

two kind of new agey type of groups,

Scott:

uh, while I was out there in Australia.

Scott:

And I was open to all of it, but I also

Scott:

could see, you know, while I was in these

Scott:

workshops and things like that, that it

Scott:

wasn't really like I wanted to join them.

Scott:

It was just interesting being around

Scott:

people that were exploring their

Scott:

minds, you know, and this, and so

Scott:

I was like, yeah, let's do that.

Scott:

Let's, let's,

Katische:

so, yeah.

Katische:

So I wanna ask you because um,

Katische:

you said that you were in Coolum,

Katische:

which is on the Sunshine Coast.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Now not far from Coolum is something

Katische:

that is where I had my first past life

Katische:

revelation, which is Chen Buddhist

Katische:

Institute now that started in.

Katische:

I think it was 1974, Lama Rimpoche and

Katische:

Lama Yhe came from Tibet of all places to

Katische:

establish, um, a institute in Australia.

Katische:

And so would've been pretty radical

Katische:

back in 19 75, 19 80, I think they

Katische:

were around for 10 or so years.

Katische:

And it's still running today, um,

Katische:

to see Buddhist monks, Tibetan ones

Katische:

of all, um, in the Sunshine Coast.

Katische:

And I was wondering if that was

Katische:

happened to be by any coincidence?

Scott:

That was it, was it, do

Scott:

you remember the name of the town

Scott:

that was in, was it like Maor?

Katische:

Um, so Marucci does not far,

Katische:

uh, the Buddhist Institute set up in the

Katische:

hinterland in, uh, just near Malanney.

Katische:

Malanney, yeah.

Katische:

Um, but I, I don't know, you know,

Katische:

um, they might have done their talks.

Katische:

Yeah.

Scott:

I hadn't, I hadn't been in touch

Scott:

with them, but, you know, there were a

Scott:

lot of, everyone I was bumping into the

Scott:

type I was looking into were kind of,

Scott:

you know, they were spiritual seekers.

Scott:

So it was just really being

Scott:

exposed to a lot of it.

Scott:

And in fact, when I landed in Perth,

Scott:

I would, had lived, I, I wound my

Scott:

way down through Africa and ended

Scott:

up spending a year in Africa.

Scott:

And then when I finally, uh, and,

Scott:

and in fact I was trying to sail.

Scott:

From South Africa over to Perth,

Scott:

and then, you know, someone, someone

Scott:

said, whoops, no, the winds don't

Scott:

go that way, you know, unless

Scott:

you're going down to the Roaring 40.

Scott:

But I still went 92 days out on a 41

Scott:

foot sloop, uh, out around Madagascar

Scott:

and those islands Reunion Mauritius, uh,

Scott:

gosh, the chemours, the sea shells north.

Scott:

I mean, we went all around those islands,

Scott:

but eventually, you know, we got back and

Scott:

I was like, okay, can't do it that way.

Scott:

I'll just fly.

Scott:

You know, they do have planes, Scott.

Scott:

So I flew over to, uh, Perth and

Scott:

then immediately headed down south.

Scott:

I didn't know anybody, but I was

Scott:

headed down south because they said

Scott:

that it, it was really beautiful

Scott:

down there in, is it Margaret?

Katische:

Yes.

Katische:

Margaret River, beautiful

Scott:

here.

Scott:

Oh my God.

Scott:

I, I saw the largest sea creature

Scott:

I ever saw in my life down there

Scott:

while I was snorkeling out to this

Scott:

break where I would body surf with

Scott:

these other guys that I had met.

Scott:

It was a, it had to have been a, I

Scott:

don't know, 17, 18 foot manta, uh, race.

Scott:

Oh, okay.

Scott:

Wow.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Oh my God.

Scott:

It's still that bit.

Scott:

That was a, that man Ray stayed in my

Scott:

dreams for years and years and years.

Scott:

It was that powerful of an experience.

Scott:

Anyways, while I was down there, I

Scott:

bumped into some sanya, I think is what

Scott:

they were called, uh, which was a part

Scott:

of a group with, um, Uh, I don't know.

Scott:

He, he, he, they eventually imploded

Scott:

quite badly a few years later.

Scott:

But at the time it was like, cool,

Scott:

these are interesting people.

Scott:

They're all wearing orange clothes.

Scott:

And I thought, okay, now, yeah.

Scott:

So, but, but that wasn't really,

Scott:

you know, I wasn't looking for

Scott:

religion, I wasn't looking.

Scott:

It was just more interesting to be

Scott:

around people like you and I are,

Scott:

you know, it's just interesting

Scott:

people who are open mind and things.

Scott:

So that was really my, my,

Scott:

the start of that exploration.

Katische:

So how long after you

Katische:

went traveling did this first, uh,

Katische:

understanding of a past life count?

Katische:

Like, was it the, did the travels kind

Katische:

of, sort of set the scene of opening

Katische:

the mind and exposing you to new people

Katische:

and new cultures and new ideas that

Katische:

facilitated perhaps the brain to go.

Katische:

To start shifting into open?

Katische:

Or how did it happen for you?

Katische:

Like Yeah, tell us your story.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Well, one of the last jobs I had

Scott:

before I started that trip was to

Scott:

work at a ski area, and it was back

Scott:

then they did night skiing, which

Scott:

was actually really, really cool.

Scott:

They probably still do night skiing some

Scott:

places in the world, but it's really neat.

Scott:

You, it's like, it's a whole different

Scott:

experience, you know, they light

Scott:

up the, with giant, you know, very

Scott:

bright lights and you, and, but

Scott:

you're in the mountains at night.

Scott:

So anyways, that's when

Scott:

I would work oftentimes.

Scott:

And there was this guy that was, you

Scott:

know, remember I'm in my early twenties,

Scott:

but there was a guy that had just

Scott:

gotten back from his own three year

Scott:

trip and he was like an Adonis to me.

Scott:

I was.

Scott:

Oh, I gotta hear this guy's stories.

Scott:

And we ended up working together.

Scott:

Just he and I, we would open up the ski

Scott:

shop and I would talk to this guy Carl.

Scott:

And uh, I became like this interviewer.

Scott:

And I think he was a little stunned

Scott:

at first, like, you know, why

Scott:

are you asking me questions over?

Scott:

And, and I really unpeeled his trip

Scott:

and I was like, you know, and I

Scott:

didn't have a microphone, but it was

Scott:

like, tell, and then what happened?

Scott:

And then what'd you do?

Scott:

And I'll go back to that.

Scott:

How did you do that?

Scott:

And how did you get over there

Scott:

and what did you do here?

Scott:

And how did you get through that border?

Scott:

And where did you find that?

Scott:

And you said you were, you got a job.

Scott:

How did you get a job?

Scott:

I thought you needed to be, you know, you

Scott:

had a work permit and he was out there.

Scott:

I mean, he went into places that

Scott:

you were not supposed to be able to

Scott:

go, but he was that kind of a guy.

Scott:

But through that experience and through

Scott:

that winter, we had four months together.

Scott:

You know, every night we'd say, once

Scott:

we got everybody's, you know, skis all

Scott:

prepared, we'd have like three hours

Scott:

or no one would come into the shop.

Scott:

Well, Uh, I, I remember at one

Scott:

time turning, how did you, how did

Scott:

you, why aren't you, you know, you

Scott:

come from Nebraska, the farmland.

Scott:

How come you're not a farmer?

Scott:

How come you're not an engineer?

Scott:

How come you're not?

Scott:

And he said, oh, well, it was, um,

Scott:

A couple of powerful experiences.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

And, and he was, you know,

Scott:

12 years older than me.

Scott:

And basically he told me about a book

Scott:

that had been written a few years ago.

Scott:

Uh, it was called The Tibetan Book

Scott:

of the Dead, or it was a translation

Scott:

of the Tibetan Book of the Dead

Scott:

by, I think the writers might have

Scott:

been Timothy Leary, a few others.

Scott:

I wasn't so much in reading a book.

Scott:

I wanted to know what his experience was.

Scott:

And he said, basically in there, he

Scott:

says, through the use of psilocybin

Scott:

mushroom, that was his thing.

Scott:

And it lays out a pathway to do it.

Scott:

And I, at the time, I was like, really?

Scott:

I, I was pretty straight lace

Scott:

guy, you know, in high school and

Scott:

Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

Scott:

And I was kinda suspicious at first

Scott:

of it cause I thought, well, you

Scott:

know, I thought, I thought that

Scott:

those experiences would be like

Scott:

getting drunk and they weren't.

Scott:

They weren't, you know, they,

Scott:

they, all they did was alter you.

Scott:

And then, you know, you saw colors

Scott:

and, okay, well how useful is that?

Scott:

And it was really through Carl's

Scott:

ex deep, detailed experience of

Scott:

the way he, the way that book

Scott:

described to him and how you do it.

Scott:

And basically it was this way of do

Scott:

of, of basically the whole thing was

Scott:

about experiencing your so-called death.

Scott:

And I remember asking, you know,

Scott:

thinking, why would you anyone

Scott:

want to experience your death?

Scott:

It'd be like, you know, killing yourself

Scott:

and going, well, what's valuable in that?

Scott:

But what it is, is the death of the ego.

Scott:

The death of what you, of, of

Scott:

way it feels as if you are dying.

Scott:

And then what is revealed

Scott:

to you in that process.

Scott:

Mm.

Scott:

Um, and he was an, he was an extreme.

Scott:

Brave guy.

Scott:

He's still alive.

Scott:

I'm still in to of contact with him,

Scott:

but he, he had, and I, and as a, as a

Scott:

young man that, I mean, what that can

Scott:

do for a young man is to meet someone

Scott:

else who is mentally and psychically

Scott:

and spiritually strong is, I suppose,

Scott:

I'm not into sports, but I suppose it's,

Scott:

it's like the effect when someone who's

Scott:

into sports meets someone who's a what,

Scott:

a quarterback or a big, you know, a

Scott:

football player or basketball player,

Scott:

whatever it is, it had that effect on me.

Scott:

It's like, I wanna be that.

Scott:

I wanna be that brave to do what

Scott:

he did Through that experience and

Scott:

his, in his telling of the story was

Scott:

so impactful to me that I thought,

Scott:

okay, one of these days, I when it's

Scott:

right, I'll know when it's right.

Scott:

I just feel it.

Scott:

I'll do that experience of

Scott:

you take a, what's called a

Scott:

heroic dose of these mushrooms.

Scott:

I didn't know where to get 'em, you know?

Scott:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

, but you light a candle, you do it in

Scott:

a, when it's starting to get dark.

Scott:

So, and you do it in a quiet setting, you

Scott:

know it context, it has to be real set up.

Scott:

You put on music and then a candle,

Scott:

and then you put a mirror in front of

Scott:

you and basically you're staring at

Scott:

your eyes over that tip of that mirror.

Scott:

And it was a whole thing.

Scott:

And I remembered every

Scott:

single detail of it.

Scott:

Cause I never had to con, in fact, I lost

Scott:

contact with Carl for 12 years after that.

Scott:

This is pre-internet, so,

Scott:

you know, it's like, what?

Scott:

You lose an you lose addresses,

Scott:

you lose a phone number.

Scott:

It's like, well, there's somewhere in

Scott:

the earth, but I don't know where I knew.

Scott:

I think he's in Nebraska.

Scott:

I couldn't, he had a weird

Scott:

spelling of his last name.

Scott:

I misspelled it.

Scott:

Anyway.

Scott:

I get back from that three year

Scott:

hitch checking trip around the world.

Scott:

I'm completely, I'm completely different.

Scott:

And I'm, I'm realizing, oh.

Scott:

And while I was there, while I

Scott:

was out there, one of the things

Scott:

that it really got turned onto

Scott:

was the whole natural movement.

Scott:

And especially around food.

Scott:

I'd always had kind of an

Scott:

inkling that, but that was, and

Scott:

it was actually in Australia.

Scott:

This is interesting.

Scott:

I never thought there was gonna

Scott:

be an Australian connection here.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

But while I was there, I met people

Scott:

who were, who taught me that, look,

Scott:

man, you're the, the diet disease,

Scott:

diet health connection is the, is

Scott:

it, there's, there's, you know, sure

Scott:

there's movement, there's breathing,

Scott:

there's, you know, you gotta stay fit.

Scott:

But that's basically it.

Scott:

And I came from a world that had no,

Scott:

you know, I was McDonald's and b.

Scott:

She, you know, white bread.

Scott:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

. So it was a revelation.

Scott:

So when I got back, I went,

Scott:

that's the direction I want to go.

Scott:

I don't know how to do it.

Scott:

I know if there's a school or what.

Scott:

But anyways, that was what

Scott:

I was starting to look for.

Scott:

And so when I got back, I.

Scott:

Uh, the economy had gone the heck I,

Scott:

so I couldn't make money, anything.

Scott:

So I ended up back in, in a

Scott:

small town in Colorado and, and,

Scott:

uh, I started running, uh oh.

Scott:

When I was in South Africa, I met,

Scott:

I met a friend who, uh, was an ultra

Scott:

marathoner and I'd never run in my life.

Scott:

I mean, I, I remember the first time

Scott:

we went off a run, I had what I called,

Scott:

they're called, uh, uh, kids's High

Scott:

tops, you know, that's what I was

Scott:

traveling in, you know, there's, they're

Scott:

like flop, flop, flop, you know, there

Scott:

was no running shoes, none of that.

Scott:

But I went out and I, he turned me on

Scott:

and I actually ran a half marathon while

Scott:

I was living in Durban, South Africa.

Scott:

When I got back, I wanted

Scott:

to pick it up again.

Scott:

And, and so I got a, anyways,

Scott:

I got a job at a restaurant.

Scott:

I, and you know, I mean,

Scott:

there was nothing going on.

Scott:

I'm 27 years old, I'm going, oh my

Scott:

God, look at me, I'm broke again.

Scott:

And, and like, how, what do I do?

Scott:

And there was no work to be found, but I

Scott:

had all these skills that I had developed.

Scott:

And then one of them was walking into,

Scott:

you know, a, a place of, of possible, um,

Scott:

hiring and saying, you need to hire me.

Scott:

And that's what I did.

Scott:

So I ended up, after four or five months

Scott:

running this restaurant on the ski area.

Scott:

Uh, and during the night I would

Scott:

go out for these long runs.

Scott:

And it was during that time that I

Scott:

thought, I, you know, I'm ready to do

Scott:

that experience that Carl taught me about.

Scott:

So, you know how it is, you gotta

Scott:

find someone who, like, do you know

Scott:

anything about these mushrooms?

Scott:

I found someone and I set it

Scott:

up and I proceeded to do it.

Scott:

And it.

Scott:

And had I not had that education, I

Scott:

get totally why people bounce against

Scott:

it and come out, and all it does is

Scott:

frightening because you are faced with

Scott:

your worst fears that you've ever seen.

Scott:

The whole, the whole, the whole

Scott:

purpose of the, of that book, of

Scott:

that technique was to learn how to

Scott:

see fear as nothing but an illusion.

Scott:

And so you're looking at your eyes,

Scott:

you're looking over this candle, the

Scott:

this plant is allowing you to access.

Scott:

Uh, things that we normally can't

Scott:

see as a normal human being.

Scott:

You know, if you look at the

Scott:

electromagnetic spectrum, you know, we,

Scott:

if you ever do, when, when you ever look

Scott:

at the entire spectrum, it shows and,

Scott:

and you know, it shows, it starts with,

Scott:

I forget ultraviolet, and it goes all

Scott:

the way up to radiation or whatever.

Scott:

And then it shows right in the middle

Scott:

of this tiny, one 16th of an inch,

Scott:

what, uh, you know, like a centimeter

Scott:

and it's like visible light to humans.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And I always loved that.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Because right there you just go, oh,

Scott:

are you saying that my perceptions

Scott:

as a human may not be the be all and

Scott:

end to all too, you know, existence.

Scott:

And that's kind of what the plant does.

Scott:

Yep.

Scott:

The plant allows you to crack

Scott:

open that tiny 16th of an

Scott:

inch and it starts to do this.

Scott:

And as it does this, you are

Scott:

made aware of dimensions and.

Scott:

Light and dark that you

Scott:

are not able to perceive.

Scott:

Well imagine the first time a

Scott:

human experiences that it can

Scott:

completely put you into fear.

Scott:

Hmm.

Scott:

I mean, I mean talking, you know, that

Scott:

kind of fear like you've ever been in like

Scott:

an uh, You know, like a roller coaster.

Scott:

You come over and, and there's

Scott:

a part where your entire limbic

Scott:

system says, you're dead.

Scott:

It's too late.

Scott:

It's, you're gone.

Scott:

You know, and you're life flat.

Scott:

It's that type of fear.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And that was happening from the

Scott:

moment that it started to come on.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

So if you didn't, if I had not had

Scott:

Carl's modeling what psychic bravery

Scott:

is and what spiritual bravery is,

Scott:

I would've completely freaked out.

Scott:

But it's a breathing

Scott:

technique that is so simple.

Scott:

You just breathe.

Scott:

You just have to bring

Scott:

yourself back to breath.

Scott:

And you're constantly looking at

Scott:

your eyes because your eyes are

Scott:

the only thing that don't change.

Scott:

Yes.

Scott:

Hmm.

Scott:

everything else and, and

Scott:

yeah.

Scott:

Have to forgive me cause

Scott:

it's . No, you're all right.

Scott:

You know, as course as I'm, I'm telling

Scott:

this story, it's, I start to, you know,

Scott:

myself, you relive it, you relive it.

Scott:

As, as I'm sure you have, as you

Scott:

start to talk about those experiences,

Scott:

everything lines up again and

Scott:

you're starting to see that, you

Scott:

know, everything comes into focus.

Scott:

And it is that, that, that the

Scott:

first time that awe of, oh my

Scott:

god, my eyes, they, they, they are

Scott:

continuing through all the illusion.

Scott:

Somehow the optic nerve

Scott:

allows you to see it.

Scott:

It's the one stable thing.

Scott:

Of the experience and everything

Scott:

else is just illusion.

Scott:

It's, it is the perceived rollercoaster.

Scott:

It's the perceived boogeyman.

Scott:

It's the perceived, oh, there's death.

Scott:

Oh, oh, there's this,

Scott:

there's a horror monster.

Scott:

There's everything around it.

Scott:

That it's almost as if the, there's

Scott:

a part of the, the human mind that

Scott:

says you shouldn't go there because

Scott:

you're not gonna be able to handle it.

Scott:

So what I'm gonna do is put a boo and

Scott:

ah, and all of that, and it's very real.

Scott:

It feels very real to you.

Scott:

But by stare, by breathing and

Scott:

looking into your eyes, and your eyes

Scott:

become the windows of this, uh, not

Scott:

only your soul, but the whole thing.

Scott:

And so you have this extraordinary,

Scott:

uh, dichotomy between.

Scott:

It's, it's hard to say cuz you

Scott:

fall in love with your own eyes.

Scott:

Uh, you know, because it, because

Scott:

you're seeing that, but you also,

Scott:

the amount of self love that pours

Scott:

out of it is, is that's really one

Scott:

of the first things that happens.

Scott:

And I don't know if somebody had asked

Scott:

me before that, do you love yourself?

Scott:

I go, yeah, yeah, I'm fine.

Scott:

I'm cool.

Scott:

I wouldn't really would've said it,

Scott:

you know, I, I'm like, yeah, I'm cool.

Scott:

I, I like myself.

Scott:

But when you feel that kind of self

Scott:

love, it's, that's where all of

Scott:

a sudden you start to feel like,

Scott:

this is bigger than me and yet I'm

Scott:

it, and yet it's bigger than me.

Scott:

And, but I'm, you know, and you, you,

Scott:

you put all of a sudden, as the boogeymen

Scott:

be, and the whole, what's fascinating

Scott:

too is that at any time, one particularly

Scott:

strong negative emotion comes up.

Scott:

It's really easy to sudden.

Scott:

What's that?

Scott:

And you look away and then

Scott:

you get caught up in the fear.

Scott:

And, you know, like I would lay down

Scott:

and it'd be like, you know, I was

Scott:

absolutely in a canonic state of fear.

Scott:

And then I'd hear Carl's voice

Scott:

saying, that's where you just

Scott:

take a breath and come back up.

Scott:

And I mean, it would rock.

Scott:

I mean, so anyways, these

Scott:

are five hour journeys.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

Wow.

Scott:

That's intense.

Scott:

Yep.

Scott:

You, you would think like, oh, I'm

Scott:

really tired, I gotta take a break.

Scott:

No, you have so much energy to do this.

Scott:

It's the only thing that

Scott:

matters for your life right now.

Scott:

And I did a series of these trips

Scott:

as, as he had said, you do a series

Scott:

like one every two weeks, three

Scott:

weeks, and you do them like four or

Scott:

five, four or five of them spaced

Scott:

out over a few months time and.

Scott:

That's really where I, I mean, you leave

Scott:

those experiences completely changed.

Scott:

You know, you, you may not be, I mean, we,

Scott:

it's not like you go, I figure out life.

Scott:

It's not bad, but you are left with

Scott:

an awe and a deep, deep respect for

Scott:

whatever it is that we're involved with.

Scott:

And in fact, any time someone then

Scott:

comes and tries to tell you, like,

Scott:

this is, again, my, my irritation

Scott:

with I religion is when someone says,

Scott:

oh, hey, let me tell you how it is.

Scott:

I, I just wanna punch 'em in their nose.

Scott:

, just go, you are so arrogant.

Scott:

You've lost, how big this is you,

Scott:

none of us, none of us, none of us can

Scott:

grasp really the whole big picture.

Scott:

But that, that's not the objective here.

Scott:

It's to.

Scott:

To look around and see all of our fellow

Scott:

humans as part of like, wow, look at this.

Scott:

And then suddenly, you know, if it

Scott:

hadn't happened before, that the

Scott:

tone of your skin, that, you know,

Scott:

the color of your skin becomes as

Scott:

idiotically, stupid and irrelevant,

Scott:

you know, as a, as picking up one grain of

Scott:

sand on the shore and picking up another.

Scott:

And that's really what it turns

Scott:

you into is a citizen of the world.

Scott:

And a so, you know, you ask me

Scott:

why I wrote that note to you.

Scott:

That's why.

Katische:

So when you went

Katische:

into this experience, because.

Katische:

I have to give it to you following

Katische:

instructions and doing things precisely.

Katische:

You know, a lot of people can have ideas

Katische:

that they wanna do something, but they'll

Katische:

like do step one and then they'll,

Katische:

you know, get sidetracked and not come

Katische:

back, do step two, three, and four.

Katische:

So, huge kudos to you that you

Katische:

followed the instructions and you

Katische:

did the experience and you, you know,

Katische:

did it at a time when you trusted

Katische:

that you knew what you were doing.

Katische:

It wasn't like a whim on a Friday

Katische:

night, I'm gonna do this now.

Katische:

Like, um, it was a intention that you

Katische:

had said a long time before, and so you

Katische:

waited for the, the right timing to do it.

Katische:

And in this experience, when you

Katische:

experienced that, you were not

Katische:

just of this body, of this suit,

Katische:

is that did in that session then?

Katische:

Is that when you got a glimpse of.

Katische:

Who you were in another lifetime.

Katische:

And is there anything there that, um, you

Katische:

are comfortable in sharing with, uh, what

Katische:

you experienced in terms of, because I,

Katische:

I do past life regressions for people.

Katische:

So we, we go on structured journeys

Katische:

to find root causes and root

Katische:

lifetimes that impact upon, or have

Katische:

impacted upon current experiences

Katische:

and why people are the way they are.

Katische:

So when you went and you saw other

Katische:

versions of yourself, looking back now,

Katische:

were you shown, um, other versions of

Katische:

yourself that, um, explains something

Katische:

to do with who you are right now or

Katische:

were you shown, um, yourself in, in,

Katische:

in another lifetime or lifetimes,

Katische:

uh, do you think purely to show

Katische:

yourself that you have existed before?

Scott:

Yeah, good question.

Scott:

I remember Carl or the book saying

Scott:

that the minute details, which is

Scott:

really a human desire, you know,

Scott:

I'd love to know, you know, why

Scott:

does two plus two equals four?

Scott:

You know, we like that exactness.

Scott:

Uh, so it, I totally get it.

Scott:

I'm the same.

Scott:

I like that.

Scott:

I like to understand why

Scott:

things are the way they are.

Scott:

Uh, there's sort of a, a, not a caution,

Scott:

but saying don't get caught up in that.

Scott:

Just like, don't get caught up in, why did

Scott:

that image, that image of this horrible,

Scott:

scary thing come from this angle?

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Instead, you're just constantly being

Scott:

brought back to the, the purpose

Scott:

of the trip is to just face these.

Scott:

As Huxley said, these doors of perception.

Scott:

And that's really, that's

Scott:

really where I got it.

Scott:

Oh my gosh.

Scott:

You know, with this feeling like

Scott:

I'm coming up against my death.

Scott:

I'm coming up against, I'm going to die.

Scott:

Oh my God, I'm dying.

Scott:

I'm dead.

Scott:

Oh, the sadness, the missed

Scott:

opportunities and everything.

Scott:

Now it's just the whole thing.

Scott:

You're staring at the eyes, you, and

Scott:

you just do this and you're experiencing

Scott:

all of it, and then suddenly you're

Scott:

on the other side and it's really

Scott:

like there's one of my favorite.

Scott:

Movies is a comedy with Bruce Willis.

Scott:

It's a futuristic thing.

Scott:

God, what is it called?

Scott:

Oh, he's like, he, it's, oh, I

Scott:

can't, oh, the fifth Dimension.

Scott:

The fifth element.

Scott:

The fifth element, okay.

Scott:

There's a comedian, a black comedian

Scott:

there who's like that plays a character.

Scott:

But anyways, there's a one scene where

Scott:

everything's being shot up and he's

Scott:

screaming and he's going, oh, and then

Scott:

screamed Just last, and last, last.

Scott:

I let Dust Settles and he's still

Scott:

screaming, and then he kinda looks around

Scott:

like, oh, I guess I'm done screaming.

Scott:

Well, that's kind of how it is, is that

Scott:

you're experiencing, and then all of

Scott:

a sudden you go through this door and

Scott:

you're so caught up in, I'm dying at

Scott:

said, and this is death and this is over.

Scott:

This is everything.

Scott:

It's done.

Scott:

Life is hard.

Scott:

And then you look behind you and.

Scott:

It's a perception, it's

Scott:

a door of perception.

Scott:

That's all it is.

Scott:

So that was really the purpose of it.

Scott:

Yep.

Scott:

And as you're going through these multiple

Scott:

doors of perception, it, it was very easy

Scott:

for me to all of a sudden see a, a soldier

Scott:

uniform and then seeing my face in there.

Scott:

And it would've been, and,

Scott:

and of course there's a part

Scott:

you just goes, stop the movie.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

What year was that?

Scott:

What's your name?

Scott:

What did you do?

Scott:

Did, were you a bad person?

Scott:

Were you a good person?

Scott:

Did you shoot anybody?

Scott:

You know, did you treat people nice?

Scott:

What I mean, la la No.

Scott:

And you just learn to just keep going.

Scott:

And what start, what happened

Scott:

for me, luckily was the feeling

Scott:

of like, It goes on forever.

Scott:

I remember, I remember a number

Scott:

coming through and going, this

Scott:

is 1800 lives I have just seen.

Scott:

And I, I can't even stop.

Scott:

I basically, I am all of it, um, all of

Scott:

it, um, every single one of these things.

Scott:

Uh, and I could have, I could have, you

Scott:

know, like reeling through a, you know,

Scott:

like a tape or something you could stop

Scott:

and I could have lived in some past

Scott:

life and really learned the whole thing.

Scott:

And I could have, you know.

Scott:

Well, I think one of the things too,

Scott:

you, you, you figure out without getting

Scott:

too entangled in it, is that, you know,

Scott:

you've been a, been a little bit of Jesus,

Scott:

you been a little bit of Hitler and.

Scott:

Oh my gosh.

Scott:

You know, and never again, you know, uh,

Scott:

and I don't have any specifics of things

Scott:

where I was like a bad person, but there

Scott:

was this sense of like, you don't go

Scott:

through this sco free little joke there.

Scott:

I dunno if you don't go through

Scott:

it, you know, just, you know,

Scott:

you, you got here through that.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

So it doesn't matter.

Scott:

And, and again, that's the whole

Scott:

self-love thing is the forgiveness that

Scott:

comes flooding through you that, you

Scott:

know, like it can choke me up even now.

Scott:

It, it's almost like we need

Scott:

another term for self love

Scott:

because it sounds narcissistic.

Katische:

I know.

Katische:

It does, doesn't it?

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Self-compassion is probably what

Katische:

we're really talking about with

Katische:

the forgiveness element, because

Katische:

like you said, to ha to be where

Katische:

you are, you have had to have had.

Katische:

Dense, difficult lifetimes,

Katische:

easy lifetimes, and phenomenally

Katische:

spiritual lifetimes.

Katische:

You can't have any of those without each

Scott:

other.

Scott:

Oh, oh, oh, this is so good.

Scott:

Cause one of the places that I saw

Scott:

much of humanity getting caught

Scott:

up in is being the victim because

Scott:

at some point we were the victim.

Scott:

Yep.

Scott:

We were horribly persecuted to

Scott:

the, to an amount that we can't

Scott:

relive because it's so bad.

Scott:

We were persecuted horribly at some point.

Scott:

At some point it could have been

Scott:

anything as a little newborn that

Scott:

took its first breath and persecuted.

Scott:

It could have been, you

Scott:

know, 30 years in a jail.

Scott:

It could have been torture,

Scott:

it could have been anything.

Scott:

It doesn't matter.

Scott:

But what this experience allows you to do

Scott:

and the work you're doing with people is

Scott:

allow you to, you're not that any anymore.

Katische:

That's right.

Katische:

You're not that.

Katische:

And I think for me, um, what created

Katische:

the urgency for me was covid.

Katische:

Because suddenly like no time other in

Katische:

my lifetime this time around, have we

Katische:

collectively experienced a fear of death.

Katische:

So great that it's stopped the world.

Katische:

You know, we suddenly have a

Katische:

virus that is killing people.

Katische:

And no matter what your beliefs are on

Katische:

anything to do with the pandemic, take

Katische:

all the all of the side discussions away.

Katische:

It's a virus which makes us question

Katische:

who we are, how we lead our lives, and

Katische:

what the heck happens if we die from it.

Katische:

Because that's the biggest fear.

Katische:

I'm gonna die from the

Katische:

coronavirus and I will not exist.

Katische:

And there's just this massive collective

Katische:

grief associated with the fact of that.

Katische:

And for me, so this is part of my

Katische:

processing the last two years of

Katische:

life to not to diminish anybody's

Katische:

grief because the virus is also a

Katische:

virus which attacks the lungs, right?

Katische:

The lungs is how we process grief.

Katische:

So it's to say, I see your grief.

Katische:

This has been a time like no other.

Katische:

But if the possibility is there that you

Katische:

are ready to hear this message, then I

Katische:

wanna let you know that should anything

Katische:

happen to you right now, you will go on.

Katische:

And I'd say that not to diminish

Katische:

the tragedy of dying, immortal

Katische:

death of Covid, but to tell you

Katische:

that it's okay, we'll see you

Scott:

again.

Scott:

We'll see you again.

Scott:

You'll see yourself again.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And hopefully with even fewer

Scott:

constructions and constructs and

Scott:

limitations and blocks and beliefs and,

Scott:

you know, with more of the openness and

Scott:

awe that is possible out there without

Scott:

labels, without trying to box it,

Scott:

without, you know, one of the 1800 lives

Katische:

That's right.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

There's, you know, there, there

Katische:

are plenty of, plenty of lives.

Katische:

And, um, tell me, so you did this

Katische:

exploration, and I know from your message

Katische:

that this changed everything for you.

Katische:

Tell me how it changed things for you.

Katische:

In terms of what you did with your

Katische:

life from an interest perspective,

Katische:

passions, and I guess I know

Katische:

that it turned into a career

Scott:

interest for you.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

That's very interesting.

Scott:

Uh, well, you know, a lot of those

Scott:

journeys you don't tend to, there's

Scott:

so much that goes on that people

Scott:

say, do you remember everything?

Scott:

In a way you remember it all.

Scott:

But the details are difficult to, like,

Scott:

speaking of constructs, they're difficult

Scott:

to put into the construct known as

Scott:

language or, you know, visualizations.

Scott:

But there were a few, and one of the

Scott:

most impactful ones was the first

Scott:

time that I experienced a death.

Scott:

My, I actually, um, and it may have

Scott:

been the first one, I don't know, but

Scott:

it was where I felt like, you know, I

Scott:

just, and cause what happened is I fell

Scott:

over from the weight of the sadness.

Scott:

Of death.

Scott:

Um, and I, I had music in the

Scott:

background that I'd set up.

Scott:

This is of course back in real,

Scott:

um, cassette tape time . Yeah.

Scott:

Back in the 17 hundreds.

Scott:

And there was, you know, I had this

Scott:

really, and it was beautiful music

Scott:

to this day, if I hear one of the

Scott:

songs that, uh, that I, I can still

Scott:

go, oh God, that's still a beautiful

Scott:

song to me, they were all, and that

Scott:

was the other thing Carl had said.

Scott:

He said, you, you can't have

Scott:

music with words in it because

Scott:

words will trip you out.

Scott:

It has to be the language

Scott:

of the universal, which is

Scott:

music without construct in it.

Scott:

So that's in the background.

Scott:

And I remember I was, I had

Scott:

fallen over and I was, it, it

Scott:

was like a different kind of a

Scott:

weeping that I'd ever experienced.

Scott:

I could just feel hot tears.

Scott:

Dripping and I could feel that this is it.

Scott:

And then I, I am dying.

Scott:

And I watched my body.

Scott:

I watched then muscles.

Scott:

I remember seeing the bones.

Scott:

And I remember, you know, I'm,

Scott:

I'm watching everything just

Scott:

go and the sadness of that.

Scott:

Um, and the, all of a

Scott:

sudden I just heard wind.

Scott:

You know, I'm in a room and I'm in

Scott:

a mountain, uh, you know, small.

Scott:

Uh, actually it was a really cool house

Scott:

and I was in this peak place and, you

Scott:

know, I'd set it up with candles and

Scott:

all that, but I was the only one there.

Scott:

And.

Scott:

I heard wind that I'm sure was in

Scott:

my head or something, I don't know.

Scott:

But it was just this really, you know,

Scott:

and you know how wind is when it's,

Scott:

when it's going like across a field,

Scott:

it's, it's an extraordinary noise.

Scott:

It's really, really one of the

Scott:

most beautiful sounds to me

Scott:

that we as humans can hear.

Scott:

It's just that sound like that.

Scott:

And I heard that and then all of a sudden

Scott:

I saw right as if it was right there.

Scott:

The, you know, the carpet itself

Scott:

was where I was, was weak.

Scott:

Now, I think you guys

Scott:

grow wheat in Australia.

Scott:

Okay, well, wheat fields and I, not in

Scott:

Wisconsin, but I, you know, seen movies

Scott:

and I've been out to, you know, Nebraska

Scott:

and a Blair, they grow wheat, but

Scott:

wheat's an extraordinary looking plant.

Scott:

You know, especially when it's, when

Scott:

it's fairly grown, it can still be green,

Scott:

everything, but it's, it's got this

Scott:

beautiful movement and it was really one

Scott:

of, you know, humans first foods when we

Scott:

started to get out of, you know, I don't

Scott:

know, the hunter and ga, you know, when

Scott:

we were just running around with spears

Scott:

and, you know, that it was really one

Scott:

of the first that we started to, but,

Scott:

and it never held any meaning to me.

Scott:

You know, wheat, I was like, yeah, yeah, I

Scott:

eat bread, you know, that was kind of it.

Scott:

But there was, it's what woke me

Scott:

up, this, and I had this, this

Scott:

message felt like the answer's food.

Scott:

The answer's plants, the answer's, botany.

Scott:

This is, this is how you

Scott:

make beautiful human beings.

Scott:

And I was just in shock.

Scott:

I was just in, it was such, it was

Scott:

such a pure tone and pure message to

Scott:

me that I remember going, oh, which was

Scott:

really cool because I, as I took that

Scott:

breath, I went, oh, that's just like

Scott:

the way a baby, you know, comes out.

Scott:

They're not, they're

Scott:

not using their lungs.

Scott:

That's really weird.

Scott:

That's, uh, I've actually never seen it.

Scott:

And it's one of those like on my to-do

Scott:

list, like, please, someone let me

Scott:

be there looking over the shoulder.

Scott:

When a baby comes up, I wanna be

Scott:

there so I can watch that baby go.

Scott:

Like, what?

Scott:

How the heck does that work?

Scott:

How does that work?

Scott:

Oh yeah, yeah.

Scott:

They're breathing through their

Scott:

belly button and then what?

Scott:

And that's the way it felt.

Scott:

I'm like, and I took this breath

Scott:

and it was a breath of awe.

Scott:

And by the way, the word awe to me,

Scott:

and that state of awe has forever ever

Scott:

held a huge, huge reverence to me.

Scott:

Have you ever watched someone

Scott:

watch fireworks or something

Scott:

going and they're going.

Scott:

That to me is something humans

Scott:

should do more often is experience.

Scott:

Moments of awe.

Scott:

My wife does it actually

Scott:

when she's around.

Scott:

Uh, trees, it's quite amazing to watch.

Scott:

She sees trees different than the rest.

Scott:

You know, a lot of people, me, I

Scott:

love trees, but she's like, oh, you

Scott:

know, and so there I was and taking

Scott:

that first breath of what new life

Scott:

and seeing this message come to

Scott:

me that was so not in like gentle.

Scott:

It was just this is the key.

Scott:

This is the key.

Scott:

And from that I, I, you

Scott:

know, I remember sitting up

Scott:

and, you know, I could tell the

Scott:

experience was coming down now.

Scott:

I mean, I was still full

Scott:

it, but I was like out.

Scott:

I was out, uh, you know, the candle.

Scott:

In the mirror, I saw that and I.

Scott:

I'm done.

Scott:

I, I've got it.

Scott:

And now how do I, you know, but the

Scott:

one thing that kept in my mind was

Scott:

that help, help people understand.

Scott:

That connection because that's how you

Scott:

make really, really good human beings.

Scott:

And that was my, that's been my

Scott:

career ever since I, you know,

Scott:

again, this is back for internet.

Scott:

So how do you find the schools that

Scott:

teach the diet, food, diet connection?

Scott:

And there was only two that I found at

Scott:

the time, and I wrote, you know, there

Scott:

was magazines like, you know, new Age

Scott:

magazine or, you know, uh, botanical.

Scott:

Anyways, there was one, there was a, and

Scott:

I was like, that's the one, I'll go there.

Scott:

And it was in Boston and I don't

Scott:

know, a month later I sent off

Scott:

a check for my first semester.

Scott:

And then when that ski area ended and I

Scott:

quit my jobs and everything like that.

Scott:

And, uh, so I went off and

Scott:

studied that for nine months and I

Scott:

basically been in it my whole life.

Scott:

My, the, that was back in, uh, 80?

Scott:

That was back in 83, 84.

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

And so yeah, that's, that was my,

Scott:

you know, I don't, I don't know if

Scott:

it has to be that way for everybody.

Scott:

I don't think that's the point.

Scott:

I don't think it has to, like, I

Scott:

think going back, but that was mine.

Scott:

And yes, that's, that's my career now.

Scott:

And, and in fact, what, what I've been

Scott:

doing since 2006 was learn was creating

Scott:

formulas that are now known as nootropics.

Scott:

Nootropics are any set of compounds

Scott:

or compounds or, or plants that

Scott:

increase some aspect of cognition.

Scott:

It can be focus and memory and loss

Scott:

of mental fog, you know, that, uh,

Scott:

it can be motivation, but it can

Scott:

also be a lessening of, uh, anxiety

Scott:

and a lessening of depression.

Scott:

And that's what these plants can do.

Scott:

And, and in fact, my story about the.

Scott:

The, uh, pandemic was deep,

Scott:

deep frustration of like,

Scott:

what are you doing, Scott?

Scott:

You've gotta, you know, this is the

Scott:

thing that, this is the only tool you

Scott:

have Scott to help in this area that

Scott:

we're talking about is go back, but this

Scott:

time, go back, it's going to be better.

Scott:

And that was the phone call to my MD

Scott:

botanist friend that I had met when I was

Scott:

doing it earlier, like 10 years earlier.

Scott:

And I said, I, I want to get back into it.

Scott:

And he says, well, in a, in this

Scott:

sweetest Indian accent, Eastern

Scott:

Indian accent, I don't want to, uh,

Scott:

imitate it cause I would be bad at it.

Scott:

And it probably isn't

Scott:

appropriate to do it.

Scott:

But, you know, you can just, people

Scott:

listening to us can imagine, he just

Scott:

said in this sing song, voice goes, well,

Scott:

, your timing's very good because, uh,

Scott:

there's, there's new technology out there

Scott:

that makes these, the plant extraction.

Scott:

10 times to 15 times stronger

Scott:

than anything we were doing back,

Scott:

back when you were first doing it.

Scott:

And, and that's what propelled me.

Scott:

So that's what we did during the

Scott:

pandemic, is we created what we

Scott:

really believe is the most potent

Scott:

neurotropic cognition, brain tonic,

Scott:

plant-based vegan formula out there.

Scott:

And it is really, really taking off

Scott:

like a storm here in, in the States.

Scott:

We just launched it September

Katische:

1st.

Katische:

Okay, great.

Katische:

And, um, because I've been to the

Katische:

website, but the listeners haven't,

Katische:

can you just leave us, uh, the name of

Katische:

your website and then the, just gives

Katische:

a description of the product so that

Katische:

after the people have listened to finish

Katische:

listening to the podcast, they can go

Katische:

and have a little bit of a read about.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And my name is, is unique that I'm the

Scott:

only Scott Ogrin on the known universe,

Scott:

except if you go back to 1800 lifetimes,

Scott:

I bet you I was named that again.

Scott:

But, so they'll find me no

Scott:

matter what, because the name

Scott:

is kind of long, unfortunately.

Scott:

It's Synaptic Scientific.

Scott:

It's Synaptic Scientific.

Scott:

And Synaptic Scientific is my website.com.

Scott:

Uh, and synaptic of course is, you

Scott:

know, the synapsis in the brain.

Scott:

And we have one product, one very,

Scott:

very potent product called cognition.

Scott:

And we actually ship all around.

Scott:

We've got, we've got quite a few, I say

Scott:

quite a few, you know, I've got a dozen

Scott:

maybe people that we ship to in Australia.

Scott:

So we ship bottles there

Scott:

and, uh, that's what it is.

Scott:

And it's basically a mix of,

Scott:

uh, eight active ingredients.

Scott:

Seven of them are, ive.

Scott:

Plants.

Scott:

So all of the plants are, have been used

Scott:

for, uh, you know, hundreds of years.

Scott:

And they all have really nice

Scott:

studies that have shown their, their

Scott:

effect on cognition in some way.

Scott:

Uh, and, uh, and then we've just

Scott:

put them together in a really

Scott:

nice mix, what we call a stack.

Scott:

That's what, that's what they say

Scott:

in, in the, in nootropic world.

Scott:

We've got this really nice stack.

Scott:

It's a very strong.

Scott:

Formula.

Scott:

It's quite bitter, you

Scott:

know, like a strong bitters.

Scott:

Those who have been used to Chinese herbs

Scott:

or, you know, uh, um, herbal medicine.

Scott:

It's got a very strong taste.

Scott:

We, we, we soften it with a bit

Scott:

of orange and lemon and, uh, you

Scott:

know, a little bit of, uh, but

Scott:

there's no sugar in it or anything.

Scott:

It's, I mean, it's extraordinary clean.

Scott:

There's no, uh, uh, artificial,

Scott:

um, preservatives in it.

Scott:

It's really quite stable.

Scott:

It took us a lot longer than I thought.

Scott:

, you know, that's what

Scott:

r and d is all about.

Scott:

But it's really nice and I mean,

Scott:

you know, it's really quite

Katische:

extraordinary.

Katische:

And how do you take it?

Katische:

Is it

Scott:

just straight, you know,

Scott:

you just, uh, it's in, in a top.

Scott:

Oh, that one's, let's see this

Katische:

one.

Katische:

So just squirt it

Scott:

into your mouth.

Scott:

Yeah, exactly.

Scott:

It's just,

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

So for people who are used to doing, say,

Katische:

taking like flower essences or something

Katische:

like that, or a homeopathic formula,

Katische:

they're used to the, um, sublingual.

Scott:

Correct.

Scott:

And for that matter, you know,

Scott:

sometimes, you know, you can mix as

Scott:

you can with those, although a lot

Scott:

of those things mix it with tea.

Scott:

I oftentimes will, uh, put it into a

Scott:

teaspoon so I know how much I'm seeing.

Scott:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

. Cause the pump sometimes does

Scott:

it, you know, it's, it's kind

Scott:

of viscous, it's kind of thick.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah, yeah.

Scott:

And so I put it into a spoon and then

Scott:

I, uh, chase it with some lemonade

Scott:

or some orange juice or some citrus.

Scott:

But some people write in and

Scott:

say, it works really good with

Scott:

my morning tea, so, you know.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And it's just a once a day or twice a day?

Scott:

Uh, yeah, once or twice.

Scott:

I, I have some older folks who say I take

Scott:

two pumps every couple of hours, and Wow.

Scott:

Is it, you know, so it, you know,

Scott:

everyone plays around with it differently.

Scott:

It depends, you know, we're all different.

Katische:

Mm, interesting because I

Katische:

know, like, for example, uh, I have

Katische:

used copper EBA essential oil to really

Katische:

help with cognition and periods of

Katische:

peak, um, concentration for myself.

Katische:

I have experience with taking it

Katische:

every couple of hours just because

Katische:

it was something that I just

Katische:

really wanted tohow down on and do.

Katische:

So that's interesting that the,

Katische:

the older people who really wanted

Katische:

to have a enhanced cognitive

Katische:

experience have tried, um, with.

Katische:

Taking it more frequently.

Katische:

So, yeah.

Katische:

And

Scott:

in fact, where, where Nootropics

Scott:

really started to take hold in the

Scott:

world, culture was in the Silicon Valley.

Scott:

You know, coders those type of, uh,

Scott:

you know, knowledge workers that had

Scott:

the focus for hours that, you know,

Scott:

you wanted something like, even just

Scott:

that, I mean, as I just took a couple

Scott:

and I can already feel this sense

Scott:

of focus, like I wanna get it done.

Scott:

And so it's really popular

Scott:

with those, with those girls.

Scott:

Joe Rogan, you know,

Scott:

who's got a huge podcast.

Scott:

He, he does nootropics.

Scott:

He's never tried mine, I don't think.

Scott:

But

Katische:

really, that's, uh, you need

Katische:

to see if you can get some podcasts.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

Come on Joe.

Katische:

Yeah.

Katische:

And, um, what about then for, say if

Katische:

you're going to do like a meditation

Katische:

session or something like that, is it,

Katische:

is it appropriate or is that to, is it.

Katische:

Is your mind not the

Katische:

right situation for, for I

Scott:

find it is, but

Scott:

everyone's going to be different.

Scott:

And where that was really where I thought,

Scott:

yeah, it's okay to say that was, you know,

Scott:

when, I mean I traveled in Tibet, not like

Scott:

to do a big spiritual journey, but one

Scott:

of the things that they do is they drink

Scott:

their green tea before they meditate.

Scott:

And I thought, yeah,

Scott:

yeah, just a little bit.

Scott:

Just to get that mind.

Scott:

Okay, here we go.

Scott:

We're gonna be tuned in.

Scott:

Sharpened up.

Scott:

Here we go.

Scott:

So this doesn't have any caffeine,

Scott:

but that gives you an idea.

Scott:

The caffeine is actually a classic

Scott:

nootropic and they, it is useful

Scott:

in the right amount, small amount.

Scott:

So just center the mind.

Scott:

Yeah.

Katische:

Perfect.

Katische:

Okay.

Katische:

So I will link in the show notes, um,

Katische:

or in the comments for the YouTube

Katische:

version of this Scott's website,

Katische:

so you can go and have a read about

Katische:

his product and give it a a whirl.

Katische:

So this has been a really

Katische:

truly fascinating discussion.

Katische:

I could sit on here with you for

Katische:

another hour or two and just chat.

Katische:

I've purposely tried to be quiet because

Katische:

there are so many things that I could have

Katische:

just gone off on a tangent and, and had a

Katische:

good discussion with you about, but I was

Katische:

like, no, I just wanna hear Scott's story.

Katische:

We can do that another time.

Katische:

So thank you so much.

Katische:

Is there anything else that you

Katische:

would like to, um, leave listeners

Katische:

and viewers with as a thought, an

Katische:

impression, or anything that you'd

Katische:

like to urge them to consider or.

Katische:

Last thought.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

And again, I've never, I've never said

Scott:

this to people because it was always

Scott:

maybe was because I was so anti, you know,

Scott:

structured, you know, spiritual aspect.

Scott:

But I really think what many people in

Scott:

the world are missing right now is exactly

Scott:

what you're trying to turn them onto.

Scott:

And that is, you are more than this

Scott:

body and this mind, and you want to

Scott:

have that experience in this lifetime.

Scott:

You want to have that

Scott:

visceral experience of.

Scott:

Oh my gosh, I've, I have, and even when

Scott:

I, you, when I left you that message,

Scott:

I, I'm even the constructs of before

Scott:

and after this lifetime, don't even

Scott:

do it because then they, that makes

Scott:

you think, well, okay, was it the 14

Scott:

hundreds and you mean I'm gonna be

Scott:

here, you know, when it, you know, in

Scott:

the year 4,000, you know, it's nothing.

Scott:

It's bigger.

Scott:

It's just, you just wanna have that

Scott:

sense of like, this goes on and

Scott:

has been going on, and I'm a part

Scott:

of it, and we're all part of it.

Scott:

And I, I would just implore

Scott:

listeners to get ahold.

Scott:

You Kati and have them help you.

Scott:

I use plant medicine to do it, but as

Scott:

you know, there are so many other ways

Scott:

and I mean Roxanne, my wife, looking

Scott:

at trees, she has that sense of the awe

Scott:

and the, I've been here and this is huge

Scott:

and it goes on and this is important.

Scott:

So I would encourage people,

Scott:

especially those suffering from fear,

Scott:

anxiety, doubt, and all of that.

Scott:

Cuz you don't need to.

Scott:

You don't need to.

Scott:

It's actually pretty cool

Scott:

what we're involved in here.

Katische:

Mm.

Katische:

And if you have fear, the moment

Katische:

that you can realize that you are

Katische:

not your emotions and your thoughts,

Katische:

and therefore you are not all of the

Katische:

things that hold you back, that you

Katische:

are from the pure field of potential.

Katische:

You are pure consciousness,

Katische:

you are source, you come from.

Katische:

Everywhere all at once.

Katische:

You can be anything and everything.

Katische:

I think that gives you this immense

Katische:

freedom to just be and allow, yeah, yeah.

Katische:

Allow whatever needs to

Katische:

unfold to, to unin unfold.

Katische:

Well, thank you and I will end this