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Fourth of July 2021 Garden Update | Farming While Black | Stay Safe and Enjoy Summer
2nd July 2021 • GREEN Organic Garden Podcast • Jackie Marie Beyer
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The audio version of this post starts out raving about three great reads from Chelsea Green Publishing including my favorite read of 2021 so far Leah Penniman’s amazing memoir about Soul Fire Farm which combines African American history - the real story with farm techniques every gardener and market farmer should know as well as some religion/spiritual stories, songs to sing, advice on education and working with students and sooo much more! Just love this book so much!

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Then there’s Jesse Frosts book coming out July 20th and Alan Bergo’s boom out now! Lots of amazing reads from my favorite publisher (now that Rodale’s is gone they moved from 2nd to number 1)

Then I talk about what’s needed in the garden this summer and all the lessons I’ve learned with this landscaping job I took on. The amazing thing with this job is how confident I am with exactly what this person should be doing but I have lived in Montana for a long time now and I definitely know the new homeowner learning curve!

Especially from a gardeners perspective! Start small! This year I’ve probably killed almost as many plants as I’ve grown!

I’m still eating on this arugula from spring

Mike picked these yummy radishes yesterday

The mini farm growing strong

My zinnias snapdragons and marigolds container garden 🪴

See my arugula growing strong it liked the greenhouse finally had to move it cause it’s just too hot in there

Listen here to the audio version read the computer generated unedited transcript below:

Speaker 1 (0s): Hey, green future growers. Welcome to season three. I'm your host Jackie Murray buyer. If you're new to the show, I hope you'll subscribe on iTunes for free or follow on your favorite podcast app and let's get, Hey everyone. This is a January buyer, your host here to help inspire you on your journey to create, grow, and enjoy a green, organic Oasis. So let's get growing. 

Hey listeners. It is me live on the mic. Jackie Murray buyer. It's technically Tuesday, June 29th, 2021. I just got off the mic with Alan Burgo, who wrote foragers chefs, book of flora, recipes and techniques for edible plants from garden field and forest. He was so eloquent and just, I hope I did him justice. 

So I have three Chelsea green publishing books to talk about today. So there's Alan's book. That's just amazing. Jessie frost books coming out July 20th. So you probably will hear some replace a interviews. And then I've also been reading Leah Penniman farming while black, which is gotta be one of my favorite books that I have read in 2021. 

She just like cheeks, the whole, she's got black history in there that it's like a must read for every student teacher, just like so many things the way she puts it all together. She's got inspiration for when you're in your garden. She talks about her education center. She talks about like, everything you need to know on how to grow a tomato from start plant a curate, like what your soils should look like, like how far they should be spaced out what tools you're going to need, how to deal with interns. 

Like anything you possibly want to know about gardening farming. If you're a market farmer, you've got to get her book, just support her. I'm. So in love with, I wish I would've got farming while black, when I first interviewed her, I had no idea somebody recently recommended it and I bought it and I was just, it just is amazing. Especially like I did this whole, I spent a lot of the pandemic reading books about, you know, like black lives matter and black history and just different people of color authors. 

You know, one of my favorites was when they, you a terrorist by Patrice colors, I think is her name one of the founders of the Buckeyes movement. I guess there's also the movement for black lives, which is a little bit different. But if you're interested in social justice, I can't wait to release my interview. I did with Kat who's down in Arizona, I think, or New Mexico who talks about being a Wolfer. 

And, but she's working on like a social justice program for helping three, you know, systematic prison to pipeline moving. Especially I'm having a personal thing with one of my students from years ago, right now who just recently was sent to prison. I'm just heartbroken over it and spoke with his mom. And of course it's mental health issues. And there's that whole piece, like we just need more compassion. 

We need way more mental health in our country. And one of the great ways to do that is, you know, helping and Leah pediment talks about that. They have a program where they were able to get prisoners to come do 50 hours on their farm and take some classes and learn. So not only are they gaining a skill because they're learning how to be gardeners, but they're also able to, you know, get out of that. 

And that's another thing like even when I just read Kamala Harris's book, which I wish I would have read before the election she talks about. And I think I've mentioned this few times being a compassionate prosecutor and also in the, when they call you a terrorist book by Patrice people who get out of prison and the how hard it is to then get a job and how hard it is to make a living after you've been released to prison, not to mention how many people have been picked up and put in prison for, you know, our crazy cannabis laws that were, you know, created by the what's his name that owned the forest and wanted to sell the newspapers and wanting to cut down the trees and didn't want him to grow for paper. 

I mean, it's just crazy our history in the United States. And so when you're celebrating your 4th of July, like I didn't, I wanted to see something on June 10th with the new June 19th holiday. And so I'm just kind of trying to tie it all together today with these three, but, and then Jesse frosh and another, the great market farm, but the no tell movement, his book is coming out July 20th. 

So anyway, for the 4th of July, I hope that you will be, you know, just appreciating our freedoms that we have and your time in the garden and what you can do to, you know, cure for our planet. Like, that's what I love. I've been writing birthday cards to a lot of my guests this year. I always wanted to send them a thank you note. And I just thought, there's no way I can afford that. 

It would be so expensive to buy the stamp and print the cards and everything. But this year by, by doing the birthday card thing, it's just been like, you know, a few cards each month. And, and just getting to like, think about my guest and send them a little personal message has been, I don't know, just a, just an interesting way to end this pandemic year and kind of, I always used to be really big on birthdays and then I, I kind of got away from it. 

And so it's really nice to get back into that. I don't know where I'm going and sending them a piece of our garden. Usually like I'm sending everybody a painting from Michael Mike's garden. That was the other thing I wanted to talk to you about how much time I've spent in the garden this year. Like, because of the pit. I don't know when I was in New York, visiting my mom and hanging out with, I mean, from you leave strong the golden mustard of the year. Cause even after we went to visit her, we were like texting and calling each other. And just, it seems like our friendship has really blossomed since I got to see her garden. 

And I learned so much from her even like on Facebook, I'm constantly learning from her. And then my own piece, I got this landscaping job when I came back. And so I've been like helping this woman who built this new house, she wants to plant a greenhouse and she's got like her whole landscape, like the house, like it's just totally torn up. And it's so weird because like, I have never felt so confident that I know exactly what she should do, but of course, you know, I've lived in Montana for 27 years. 

I know how hard it is to build a house and start from scratch. You know, we were six years without running water. And then even when we put our first well in it, wasn't, you know, we certainly couldn't garden and we can barely keep like one bed growing. Now, even with the second while biking are still like, it's just constant under monitoring. Are you watering? Like we're yelling from one part to the other. Mike takes care of the mini farm and his hoophouses. And then I'm kind of trying to handle like the orchard and the beds around the garden, but I've grown more this year. 

So my goal this year, if you remember, was to grow more marigolds, India snapdragons and some flowers, which I kind of bombed on the sunflowers, but Mike picked that up, but I did get more than he is and snapdragons. And so if you are listening and it's July 1st and you haven't planted anything or you're struggling to still get that garden going, I really to encourage you to check out two books, these other two books, Melissa Norris is, you know, the Philly garden plan where she talks about pick one thing. 

What's one thing that you can grow tomatoes or, you know, lettuce or just curates or like what's one. Oh, and that was the other thing this year on YouTube live, there was this woman and she just the smile on her face when she's like my carriage sprouted, my carriage, probably like the only thing she grew this year was curious and that they sprouted and they're coming up to see her excitement was so, so Joel overwhelm yourself. 

If you're just starting out, don't think you're going to grow an entire homestead this year. Just pick one thing. It's not too late to plant a seed. Another thing I've heard from listeners is their struggle with herbs. They tried to go in urban. They couldn't, well, I've killed more plants as many plants this year as I've grown. I'm just still like, but I also like my rugala that I planted the beginning of March in these just two pots that have been down in my little greenhouse. I just brought them into the house house the other day. 

They're not outside all the ones I transplanted outside bolted. They're just gone to see the bees growing the flowers. I'm going to keep the seed. So I don't have to spend so much on a regular seed next year, but I just took a tub literally last week and put a new set of a rugal as seeds in it because they keep thinking these two pots are can't possibly keep going, but I'm surprised. Like I just pick a very small bouquet of root. Rugelach like every two to three days out of these pots, they're still growing. 

And when I say pod, so they were probably 10 inches in diameter, maybe 10 inches tall that Mike planted for me back in March, one of them, I took half of it and planted out in the garden. And like I said, it bolted, but the rest of it is just filled in. And these two pots have kept me going with plenty of a Ruger left from my salads for my sandwiches. And so the other day, Mike and I went down and picked the spinach. 

The spinach was just about to bolt. Then he is the spinach in the mini farm where I generally do not like to go because I don't want to pick anything that's down in the ground. I want raised beds. I want something I can sit on the edge of. I can't stand like the dirt in my shoes, walking in between his rows. Like even though he's got lots of mulch down, I just feel like my feet gets super dirty in there. You know, some of his things haven't grown enough. 

So there's still dirt while he's waiting to mulch. I'm like the cucumbers are just barely like, you know, there's just too loose popping out of the ground. So just think, I can't believe how much has mini farm has grown. Now that being said, like the peas, I feel like, like, I'll go out the driveway. And by the time I come back in the driveway, after going to town, they're like three inches taller. Like things are growing like crazy in Montana. We've had three days of a hundred degree sheet or we're in the middle of like a week of a hundred degree heat. 

It's just, it is all about staying cool watering super early. He's been out there like just at the break of Dawn five o'clock in the morning watering for hours. And then this week, oh, today he finally brought in the radishes the purple way and red radishes that are so good. And Megan came taught me a couple of years ago that you can actually slice radishes and saute them, which I never knew you could do. I always thought radishes, you just ate raw. 

So eating sauteed radishes, the spinach has just been amazing. The other day I made, what did I do? I fried two eggs. Oh, this is my other secret. Or that coconut, or like, I've never been a big fan of coconut oil or is that what it is? Coconut oil, whatever, that white thing that you buy the jar of. But I keep mine in my fridge. I know Dacey keeps hers on her counter. Maybe you can keep it on the counter, but like you only need that. 

Tiny is barely a little bit like cook. It seems way more expensive than olive oil, but actually, because you only need like the tiniest little bit of coconut oil to cook eggs. And unlike if you want something fried really crispy, I feel like crisp things up better. Just like I am. So in love with coconut oil, like a grilled cheese made with coconut oil, instead of, you know, butter Jemele burns it like olive oil kind of gives it a funky taste, avocado oil, super expensive. 

Coconut oil is so much in many ways it's more affordable because you only need the tiniest little bed. I just can't believe. I wish I would've known that secret. So I've been cooking things in more coconut oil. The spinach has just been incredible. When I was talking to Alan, I was telling him if I have to pick the spinach, I'm not leaving this or act that just comes up all over the wild spinach. And he works. The leaves are like three times as big. 

They are judged just as sweet. They almost have like a sweet, peppery flavor mixes right in with my spinach. So good. Lamb's quarters. Another one that grows wild around here that you can make sure I do them with your spinach. So I blanched some of it, but the rest of it, I've just been like eating like crazy, like, so we've had a huge, much bigger spinach harvest than we ever have, which I'm surprised. Mike's like you bought these spinach seeds. I'm like, I don't remember buying spinach because usually I just grow beet greens and then switched to Swiss chard when it comes up, let's see my kale beds. 

So I finally followed Lisa Ziegler's cover the kill with the Agra bond, which I'm kind of frustrated with because you gotta take the Agra bond off to water. But Mike did help me get, get a kind of set up in a way that it's not as hard to move as it has been. In other years, I put brand new, fresh Agra bond that he scored. These people like were like, come get these boards. 

And they gave him like some free Agra bond, never been opened, some weed barrier. She just scored like a whole bunch of really cool stuff. Some planters from these people that were moving and they were just like, you can have all this other stuff. So I got fresh Agra bought. So my tip for Agra bond is by a garbage can because like we never really had anywhere to store before. And the other, the old stuff that I bought years ago, it did last longer than I thought it would. 

It held up better. But in some places it's re more because like when we weren't using it, it, it just didn't get put away. So I got the fresh Agra bond out this year. So I've covered the kale. I've covered my broccoli. I have some broccoli. So we're going to have some comparisons. I have a lot of experiments going this year, places where like I put chicken fertilizer versus straw or not chicken fertilizer, chicken compost versus our own compost. 

Like we bought some chicken compost from some police out of Missoula that these people hauled up to your BRCA. It was $85 a yard, but because we bought three yards of it, Mike put it all over a lot of the mini farm he was able to do. And then I was able to do like the irises that I've never had anything in years. It's going all around our fruit trees down in the orchard. If I ever get time to get down there, all of our bet, a lot of our beds, anywhere that we didn't have a place to put our own personal compost. 

Cause we never have enough compost wipe a tomato bed that has our compost and it, to me, the bed that has the chicken poop show, we're going to compare those. And I was able to get the Oregon spring tomatoes from territorial seed that micro Lee lakes. Cause he said they have a shorter harvest or hoping they're to go red. I have 15 Roma tomato plants that I grew from tomato seeds this year that are growing so nicely. I think I'm going to get a lot of Roma tomatoes, making sure they're getting lots of water. 

So hopefully I'm not going to have that tomato and rot this year. They've lots of miracles because I put in a ton of miracles. Mike planted the pollinator border around the mini farm this year. So it goes, snapdragons in IAM Marigold. And then there's like a little stretch of basil Snapdragon marigolds in the stretcher. Bazell the Bazell hasn't really germinated. So I don't know what's up with that. I'm going to replant that. Or if it's just slow going or it needs this heat, it's gonna come up. 

If I should have grown it in doors, instead of just sprinkling the seed outdoors. But I'm pretty excited about that. But the miracles have the blooming. They're just huge. I can't believe how big our marigolds are, but the snapdragons and the zinnias are just about to start blooming. So I'm about to have a ton of color. Let's see the purple rockets were the first things to bloom the chives. We've had lots of purples here. 

Bells are just blooming this week. So these three things are all purples. And then about how some reds and yellows cause of my zinnias, my snapdragons the marigolds are yellow coming on. So the bees are happy. We went and bought bees from where was that guy from? I don't know. I went down to Polson to get 'em and Erica went to Polson and got bees this year. So it's interesting. We both went to Polson and got bees. 

Our hive is totally full of honey. Mike said is like overflowing of bees and honey, he just put this against super on. If you follow me on Instagram, I think I posted the picture of him down there the other day, putting the second super on. I don't know. Cause they take all these pictures to post on Instagram and then post to the website and just, I don't know what happens. Like I get in the house and then I'm overwhelmed with like trying to pick which pictures and upload them. And plus like I'm tired and I don't know. 

It just seems like I take the pictures, but do they get posted? But I think they did. And then Instagram shares them to Facebook. I still have to go in and show them from the Facebook page to the podcast, the Facebook podcast group, which I haven't been so good about. I've not been on Facebook at all. Barely been on Instagram. So I'm sorry if you're following me on social media, I haven't been in the back there, but let's see. 

So radishes were harvesting salad. Mike did an amazing job of getting our volunteer salad that came back from last year to grow. I have salad coming out. My kids, I keep thinking like I should be like selling salads or taking it to the farmer's market, but I just haven't made it there. What else can I tell you? So anyway, I did meet my goal of planting more snapdragons miracles as an ESO. 

I hope you met your goal. If you haven't started yet, it's not too late. Pick one thing you want this year now, is it too late? Let us it's hot in Montana. I would think it's hot all around our country would be a hard one to get off the ground, but maybe you could do it for the fall. Again, we had a lot of luck keeping things in shady spots, keeping things on north slope in north places, putting things in the shade of other things, putting pots in shade of trees or pots in shade of buildings, keeping things in pots on my north porch here. 

So my rugal a bed I have in a north spot right off my kitchen. I planted this giant tub. So that's one of the things this landscaping project I've been doing. I've been talking to this person about building a kitchen garden. Like her green house is kind of the opposite, Mike and I, our garden. And I always talk about it as at the bottom of the hill. Well, her house is at the bottom of our hill and her greenhouse at the top. And I'm like, you should put a kitchen garden and that's another book I just got today or yesterday, late last night, Amazon Dillard was Nicole Burks. 

I finally broke. I bought my own copy of the kitchen garden revival, which is just a fantastic about, you know, having a kitchen garden. That's basically, and I love the beginning of her book. She talks about from here on out, you're a gardener like just to start calling yourself a gardener, you're going to be successful. This is going to become a part of yourself. Like growing a kitchen garden is very different than like Mike's production mini farm. 

The kind of our gardens is kind of a lot more like that. I did, you know, we do have beets, which I'm not sure I would normally consider a kitchen garden maybe cause the beet greens and then the golden beets are so good in the winter. I've really been missing the pickled beets. So I have down here in this one garden, a lot of these cylindrical beads that Mike wanted. Cause I think they're going to be easier for pickling because in the winter I like to put pickle beets on my salad and not buy tomatoes. 

Cause who wants to eat a tomato from the grocery store. They just don't cut it and you know, processed tomatoes. They're great for salsa. They're great for me to sauce, but you're not going to put it on your salad, but I like to put pickle beeps on my salad. That's kind of my red, I scored a bunch of red cabbage plants from Turpin farm from Judy down a chirp and farmer's market. So Mike's growing me a bunch of red cabbages this year, which I'm hoping I'm not quite sure how I'm going to store them, but I eat a lot of red cabbage on those glass jar salads. 

If you saw me on Instagram, I posted, I was amazed at how like taking a quart jar. I could keep a salad for a week. It would have like iceberg lettuce, red cabbage. I did buy the Roma tomatoes from the store, but I was surprised they didn't make it soggy. And I would shred carrots, mostly Mike's carrots. Those we did have, I was able to short carrots through, I think I just bought my first bag of carrots. I think I'm on my second bag of carrots. 

I had to buy since last year. So we almost made it the whole year. Mike said his potatoes have more blossoms. She's never seen his potatoes have more possums. And the potatoes he planted, I didn't have to buy any potato starts this year. He just planted the ones that I bought last year that he grew and spread it in our kitchen. And so he just put those in the ground and he said they have more blossom. So we'll see what comes up there. 

I mean, it's just the garden. It was such a weird year because March was cold. April was super cold. May was still pretty cold. And then things, June is super hot and things are just taking off like crazy. Like I cannot believe how much stuff has grown in the last two weeks. So, so I know happy. 4th of July, everybody stay safe. Don't shoot any fireworks off in the woods. 

Check out these books. Great books from Chelsea green publishing. I mean there's more books on my garden, bookshelf from Chelsea green publishing, I think, than any other publisher except for maybe Rodale's. And now that there's no more road deals, Chelsea green in Vermont got love you. I hope you have enjoyed season three. I think I only have four episodes in the bank besides Alan today. So I'm not sure what's going to happen there. 

I would love to talk to some more backyard gardeners. If you're a listener, if you're a backyard gardener and you want to share your journey, I think that'd be a great way to end season three. A lot of season three, I've started out talking to professional gardeners. People who've written books because all these publishers sent me all these books to do the reviews on Amazon and people who just I've connected with that seem to have like more garden businesses. 

Do you feel like season three has been much more focused on more professional gardeners? People who have been, you know, garden bloggers, garden authors, I would love to have some more people. So if you are a backyard gardener and you want to share your story, I would love to talk to you and finish out season three, with some of your stories who are my listeners. She's out there putting some of this stuff like Eileen into place. 

Who's going to be the golden listener of 2021. What's growing in your garden. Share with all of us. Tell us about your garden journey. I bet you have more to share than you think. I hope you've enjoyed she's in three. I am trying to be a better listener. I hope I have. I still feel like sometimes when I listened to some of these interviews, I'm like, would you just shut up how much? Like I look at the little bars and I'm like, do you see, you're talking more than your gas on? 

Sorry. If I did that, I don't mean to interrupt my guests as much and I will try to make sure I focus more on what they're saying. Mike told me don't talk so much about politics. I don't know if I 100% agree with that. I think it's super important. We passed the green new deal. If you haven't called your Senator, I hope that you will. I call both of buy-in and said go big and go green. Let's get this. 

What's it called? The infrastructure bill passed. Another book I've been reading is Elizabeth. Warren's persist. I'm super in love with her too. I can relate more to Kamilah than any of them. I didn't. What was her name? Evie Colbert. Char. I couldn't even make it through the whole book. I really loved Kimbla Harris's I wish I wish I would have read it before the election, but really, really happy with that one. 

The compassionate prosecutor. I just think it's super important. We Alexandria Kesha Cortez on meet the press this weekend. Did she rock the mic? I mean, she just, wasn't going to let it go. She just wasn't gonna let him take her off point. She just shared, you know, this is why we need to, you can say Democrats, we might lose the house in 2022. We might lose this Senate, but anything that we can get past before then it's probably going to stay because the policies that the Democrats put into place are popular. 

Why can't the Republicans overturn the affordable care act? Because it ensured millions of Americans. It's good for people. You know, people who have pre-existing conditions were able to get insurance. Elizabeth, Warren's huge on childcare. Who did I just talk to you the other day? That's having to have problems staying in school because of childcare yet again, I have a friend whose son I remember when I was going to school at U of M had to drop out of student teaching because she couldn't file childcare from three 30 to four in the afternoon. 

And her school district would not let her boys be in her classroom with her because her contract said you worked from eight to four and from three 30 to four, one school got out and there wasn't an afterschool program that they could go do. And she couldn't have the home alone. And hadn't literally dropped out of school, student teaching, just heartbreak, but who is it? There was another story. I just heard about a childcare appearance, struggling with childcare just recently having trouble going to school. 

And so this is the important parts of infrastructure bills. If we can get affordable childcare through kids, preschool kids going to preschool, I mean, preschool should be covered under the office of public instruction. When did I work at head start 2007, 2008. And when I got done, I was like, this is like literally a form of segregation. We're offering preschool options for parents who come from poor socioeconomic. 

It should be an option for everybody. And those kids should have quality teachers. You're talking about a child's very first experience. I cannot believe some of the damage I saw, I mean, has started is a great program. And yes, there are definite advantages, but like I always thought preschool because my mom was a teacher that every kid, oh, we didn't need pre-schools kids need preschool. What are kids doing during the summers the summer? If you can't afford to send your kids to summer camp, like last year during the pandemic, I guess maybe I was home and I saw how many, my kids were home without their parents were at work. 

And my third graders were the older kid at home. I couldn't believe it. How many parents were having to leave their third graders home. I was like, what did these parents do during the summer? Or they have like a, even if they did have a high school sibling watching them, the sibling, wasn't really watching them. And it's just, we need options for parents childcare for, you know, people are complaining, oh, why aren't these people going back to work? Well, what are moms that are watching their kids supposed to do? 

So, you know, I think our economy is going to come back quicker here. I think as people go back to work, I feel like Americans are being really impatient with things. Getting back on schedule. I think as Alexandria KCO said, policies of the Democrats put into place. Once they get in there are, are such an improvement. Like what's the one that we're seeing now, the, the tax credit for, it's not a tax credit, it's a childcare. 

There was a great interview on Hillary Clinton's podcast. Or she talked about that. She interviewed the mayor from Compton. She's like one of the youngest mayors in the United States down in Compton, California, outside of LA and chokes about how she got the, like where you get like a basic minimum for your, if you have a child, like now they're doing this $300 thing where everybody's gonna get directly deposited. If you got your stimulus check directly deposited, or you'll give a check for $300 for each of your kids, just for having a kid, just to kind of help you make ends meet in America because parents are struggling and kids shouldn't suffer because parents are struggling. 

You know, anyway, Mike told me don't talk politics. So I'm not supposed to be talking politics, but it is the 4th of July coming up again. I can't recommend enough Leah Penniman farming while black order Jesse Frosch book, that's coming out July 20th. If you're interested in market farming, but again, his podcast, you don't have to be a market farmer to learn a ton from him about the Notel digging Al Burgos books coming out today or tomorrow, getting released this week, have a safe and happy 4th of July. 

Let's appreciate these freedoms. We have let's take care of our planet and thank you so much for listening. So my mic says 35 minutes, not too bad of a rant for me. I hope you've learned something. You guys seem to like these updates that I post, like I said, they tend to get a lot of downloads. So if there was anything Mike and I can do again, he's Mike screen garden@gmail.com. I'm O R G podcasts@gmail.com

If you have any questions, I generally monitor both emails better than I monitor Facebook or Instagram or anywhere on social media. I, because of the podcasting thing where I have to like, if they email, oh, Dubai is my battery about to die. Oh, I have to check my emails like four times a day. So that's definitely the best way to get a hold of me because of a podcast comes through. I have to return it in 24 hours for the transcription job. 

That is pretty much the only podcast in job I'm doing right now. And I don't know what else can I tell you? I hope you're enjoying season three. Again, backyard farmers. I would love to interview you and let's get growing. Do you know someone who would benefit from the organic gardener podcast? If you like, what you hear? We'd love it. If you chaired the organic gardening podcast with a friend, thanks again for listening and remember grow local.

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