In this episode, we delve into the significance of innovation and creativity in driving progress. They argue that throughout history, advancements and improvements have been made possible because individuals were free to explore and find solutions to problems. The hosts highlight the industrial revolution as a prime example of how innovation has propelled society forward.

Expressing concerns about legislation and policies that may restrict creativity, the hosts assert that by imposing laws and regulations that hinder innovation, society is essentially hindering its own progress. They firmly believe that limiting creativity hampers our potential for finding new and improved solutions.

To illustrate the impact of policies and regulations on innovation and technological development, the hosts bring up the example of the electric grid infrastructure. They note that while there is a push for electric charging stations, the number of gas stations for internal combustion engines being built far exceeds the infrastructure for electric vehicles. This observation serves as a clear example of how policies and regulations can shape the direction of innovation.

Overall, the hosts advocate for the freedom to innovate and be creative, emphasizing that limiting this ability through legislation and policies can hinder progress. They argue that society should prioritize supporting and encouraging innovation, as it is crucial for driving advancements and finding solutions to complex problems.

According to the podcast transcript, there is a growing disparity between the number of gas stations being built for internal combustion engines and the number of electric charging stations. The host suggests that a gas station with 50% gas pumps and 50% electric charging stations would indicate a shift in infrastructure towards electric vehicles. Additionally, the host highlights that some Walmarts, McDonald's, and hotels already have electric chargers, while gas stations do not. This suggests that the infrastructure for electric vehicles is developing at a faster pace than that for internal combustion engines.

Furthermore, the host argues that gas stations are becoming obsolete with the rise of electric vehicles. They predict that once the petroleum industry realizes this, lobbying money will be redirected towards developing other technologies instead of electricity. The host also points out that according to the International Energy Agency report, by 2023, around 12% of vehicles on the road in the United States will be electric, supporting their argument that gas stations are becoming less relevant.

Overall, the information from the episode suggests a growing disparity between the number of gas stations and electric charging stations, with the latter experiencing more rapid development and adoption. This indicates a shift in infrastructure towards electric vehicles and raises questions about the future of gas stations as electric vehicles become more prevalent.

In this episode, the host explores the possibility of modernizing older technology to enhance fuel efficiency. Specifically, they mention an article about companies in the Detroit area that are examining older engine designs, such as the opposed piston engine, and finding ways to optimize their performance with modern fuels. This includes the utilization of synthetic fuels, hydrogen technology, and turbo diesel technologies.

The host also highlights Mazda as an example, as they are considering the use of rotary engines in their vehicles. Rather than employing the rotary engine as the primary engine, Mazda is exploring its integration into a hybrid system, where it can generate electricity more efficiently for the hybrid. This approach also reduces wear on the rotary engine compared to using it directly to produce horsepower and torque for the vehicle.

Overall, the episode suggests that by revisiting older technology and combining it with modern fuel systems and engineering principles, it may be possible to enhance the efficiency of these older designs beyond that of the standard reciprocating internal combustion engine. This alternative approach to improving fuel efficiency is seen as an intriguing option to explore, alongside the focus on electric vehicles.

[00:02:07] Playing with French cars.

[00:06:09] Timeless car designs.

[00:08:53] Maserati TC's for sale.

[00:15:03] Obscure European Radwood.

[00:17:14] Un-Radwood exhibit.

[00:23:26] Making older designs more efficient.

[00:28:17] Rotary piston engine and electric motors.

[00:32:39] Self-driving Tesla Model 3.

[00:37:00] Alternative fuels for internal combustion engines.

[00:41:39] The future of charging infrastructure.

[00:46:21] Gasoline stations becoming obsolete.

[00:50:08] Alternative propulsion methods.

[00:53:06] Flying cars and turbines.

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Swell AI Transcript: Federal Government Fund for Propulsion Technologies in Passenger Vechicles.mp3

00:00 announcer So, if you want to talk about cars, Ferrari, GTO, Bentley, CRX, and even down here, great granddad Spearless, welcome to No Driving Gloves, the Car Talk Authority, where experienced

00:27 John knowledge and controversy share the same seat. Enjoy the ride. Now your hosts, John and Derek. Hey, it's No Driving Gloves, everybody. We're back again, just returned from our summer hiatus. We kind of warned you last year that we were going to take some of these hiatuses. Sorry, we didn't announce we were taking about five weeks off or so. I'm sorry, we're going to work a little bit better on that, try to have some more shows in advance so that you don't even notice when we do go on hiatus. But I got Derek sitting across the mic from me. Derek, did you enjoy your little time off or was it just all work, work, work, work? I got a trip to North Carolina in for about a week,

05:38 Derek You know, I was just in somewhere the other day and pulled in a parking lot and there was a dark maroon, probably early 90s squared off New Yorker sitting in the parking lot. And it was beautiful, beautiful condition. No, no corrosion. The paint still looked pretty good. Obviously been taken care of probably, you know, little old person's car that was in the garage all its life. And I actually stopped and I had to look at it for a little bit. I was just like, man, that is a timeless design right there. I mean, it is just good looking, fairly well built. I mean,

06:18 John Chrysler had their issues, but I was just happy to see it. I was very happy to see it. I'm going to say it's always nice to see them in nice condition and perfect condition. And this LeBaron was much the same way. I mean, looked in at the interior was clean and you think that, oh boy, you know, this is probably the original owners and we're only 35 years on or so. So it could have been somebody who bought it in their sixties and you know, now they're pushing their nineties, late nineties or mid nineties and still driving it. But it's just absolutely perfect. So it could still be a one owner car or was that car that was bought in 90 by somebody in their sixties and they just recently passed away. And maybe somebody was driving it for fun, but that, you know, that was an unusual one. I saw, I saw, I've seen an Aurora recently pickup trucks like crazy mid nineties, Dodge Rams, you know, like your favorite guy, Walker, Texas Rangers truck, even getting into the previous generation Ram and Fords. And those are always there. S tens early, early Rangers. It's kind of fun that way, but the one that, when you get away from the trucks and you still stay kind of with the cars, the one I see the most are Gio and Chevrolet trackers. You know, I just don't picture those. I know Samurai still exists because they're a neat cheap four by four for off-roading and having fun with, but

07:52 Derek I see trackers in all kinds of shape. You know what surprised me lately? I do a lot of marketplace looking and Craigslist and you're seeing what's out there. You know, what market is doing on some of the cars and there have been so many really nice, I'm not talking rusted out, junked out, but really, really well cared for nice chevettes coming out of the woodwork. And man, there's been a few that have been a great price. I mean, very tempting price, solid cars, you know, very, very little corrosion issues. And I mean, they're just great little fuel efficient cars and they're just coming out of the word woodwork right now. Along with the, you know, you talk about the K cars, I've seen more Maserati TC's for sale over the last probably six months. So basically, you know, the beginning half of this year that I think I've ever seen in my life, like literally, like the TC such an obscure kind of

09:06 John moment in Chrysler Maserati time, but I can't even tell you how many I've seen for sale. It's insane and they're all in really nice condition. I've followed the TC since day one, since probably 86. My father had a TC ordered for the longest, longest time. Were they ever going to produce it? Were they ever going to produce it? And by the time they started producing it, he had given up on it and ordered his Viper. They came out in 89, the Viper had debuted in 89. He literally put money down on the Viper two or three days after the Chicago Auto Show when it was announced and said, forget my TC, I want this. And of course the TC, although we already had an 87 LeBaron Turbo and all the TC was, was the exact same car without the back seat, you know, take out like six inches of wheelbase and get rid of the back seat. And it was virtually the same car, but but I've paid attention to them. I've always liked the TC. They've started to creep up in price a little bit. I mean, for the longest time they were five, $6,000 cars. If you were lucky, actual sale prices, the asking prices have always been more, but now they seem to be

10:24 Derek good condition, low mileage, low teens. Wow. Really? All the ones I see in that condition, they're still like, there's been a few on marketplace that are like six, 7,000 bucks.

10:35 John Oh, and I've seen, I've seen the asking prices be a lot higher and some of the selling prices, selling prices be a lot higher. I don't know. Is bring a trailer, run a Maserati TC?

12:36 Derek sign for 12,000. But you know, I think, I think too, John, this speaks to the current climate in the automotive market, right? And we've, I think we've talked about it on the show before where prices for new cars are getting out of hand to where a lot of Americans just cannot afford a new automobile. These used cars that are still in good condition, we're starting to see them come out of the woodwork because people are able to buy them at a reasonable price to have a mode of transportation. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe, maybe these classic cars are going to come out of the woodwork and more people are going to start getting interested in the classic and vintage

13:25 John vehicles again, because it's really all we can afford right now. TCs have all been right around that $10,000 mark for selling prices. Most of them, no reserve. They had a 84 Chrysler executive limousine sell for 5,200 bucks last December. The problem is if you get one though, you can't drive it. You have to hire a driver or else it just looks pointless. Well, they don't know if I drove it or not. What are you going to do? Climb in the back seat then make your way to the front seat? And there's a lot of the, most of them are 86 Dodge 600 convertibles, but partial to, there's a 30,000 mile 86 Dodge 600 ES turbo convertible in silver with gray interior sold for 10,250 is what we'll say. That was back January 1st of this, January 13th of this year. Keith, I think we paid about that price for our 84 Dodge 600 ES turbo convertible back in 86. I don't even know if we paid that much, but you know, just kind of interesting there. He has thrown out the Chrysler, but you do see the TCs for sale, but I rarely, rarely see a TC on the road. I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a TC on the road. That's true. That is true. I've not, I've not seen one on the road in the first half of this year. I'll say that even though I've seen a ton of them up for sale. Yeah. I haven't seen one being driven around. I haven't stumbled upon one in a parking lot somewhere. It's weird. You know, you don't see the 87 or later LeBaron convertibles that often. I see the coupes, but I don't see the convertibles, the TCs, the 84 to mid 90s Chrysler minivans aren't out there, but what you see are the K cars. Like you said, the New Yorkers, the Acclaims, you know, it's weird. There's a few of these that stick around and then other ones, you know, when's the last time you saw a Dodge Shadow? Oh yeah, that's true. Actually on the road. I see them pop up for sale quite often. Are we just valuing them too much? Kind of taken to those, those be good Instagram pictures, the Mali's or even the Radwood cars out

15:47 Derek in the Radwood in the wild. Exactly. That's where I was going. The Radwood in the wild. Yeah. I like it. That could be a whole series. Let's do it. I'll keep my eye out. Actually, I'll take a picture of the Brits next time I go buy it. Well, there's your next special themed exhibition at the Lane, obscure European Radwood. You know, they did a Radwood exhibit like the year before I started at the museum and I'm not sure what was in it altogether. I'd have to go back and pull the file, but I think that's kind of already been done. They didn't call it like obscure, you know, European Radwood. They just call it Radwood, but if I remember right, it was cars you would expect to see. Well, I know the Viper, our Viper was in it. I know that. Yeah, right there. There we go. Radwood, our Autozam AZ1. Yeah. See you, you have Honda City Turbo, the Honda Del Sol, the Viper. Oh gosh, what else is back there? The Alfa Romeo,

17:54 Derek I mean, isn't that the way though to get listeners anymore is just the whole like divisive shock type mentality. Like let's talk bad about people and get them angry and then we'll get more listeners. Well, that's the way. Yeah, that's exactly the way it works. So now we've went down a path that we weren't going to go down. Well, I think we can, you know, we can tie it to the topic because we're talking about things that are old, the Radwood era, malaise era cars, and they're becoming popular again, whether it's because people like them or they're more affordable. So it's the same as the topic we were talking about in pre-show, something that is old being looked at again and played around with. So I think it ties together,

20:56 Derek Well, it keeps moving. Don't forget. Yeah. But what about steam, John, or what about hydrogen fuels? Well, I just saw something here about the Sterling engine and this age old technology could provide quite a boost. Or, you know, what about the idea of taking old engine technology like Sterling or some of the other designs we've had over time and looking into them further and seeing if we can make them more efficient? Why would you do that? They've told us electric's the way to go. I don't know, because I want to actually be able to drive my car efficiently for more than 300 miles before I have to stop and get a full charge. You can buy a Lucid. It'll go 600 miles. Okay, sorry. More than 600 miles. It'll go 600 miles per charge. The car itself might not go 600 miles. It might break before then. But no. And John, I like trucks and I like to pull trailers and haul payloads. And I really want to be able to pull a trailer more than like 100 miles before

23:12 Derek plexiglass, all three materials that expand and contract at different rates. Well, you got to put engineering development time behind it and really make it work. But the topic we're going down here, if you haven't figured it out, is how can we take older technology and modernize it and possibly make it more fuel efficient. Now, one of the interesting articles that I saw come out recently, I don't know how recently it was, but within the last few weeks or months. And I think they've been around a while looking at this but it continues to develop over time. There are companies out there, specifically one up in the Detroit area, that have been looking at older engine designs. The one that I've been reading about is the opposed piston engine and how we can make it run more efficiently with modern fuels, synthetic fuels, possibly going to hydrogen technology in it, you know, turbo diesel technologies and making older designs that were played around with become more efficient even than the standard reciprocating internal combustion engine we've all come to be used to, let's call it. And also, I mean, I'm extremely interested, I just put together a rotary piston engine exhibit at the Lane Motor Museum. Diving into that, number one, Mazda is now playing around with not using the the rotary engine as the engine for their vehicle, but rather as part of the hybrid system, as only using it as the generator because it can be made to be more efficient when it's simply generating electricity for the hybrid. And it also doesn't wear as much as when it's trying to produce the horsepower and torque to make a vehicle actually, you know, be wheel driven by the rotary engine. These ideas of starting to look back over time and find older technology that with modern fuel systems and more developed engineering principles might become another way to make things more efficient, I think is it's extremely interesting, at least, right? Let's not necessarily just start cramming electric vehicles down everyone's throat and into everyone's driveway and garage, but let's really look and focus on what is the next best thing or what are the options? Okay, some people, maybe, you know, they like the electric car, they don't drive a lot, they don't tow, they just need it to get to their job, get around the city, great, have an electric car, but for those of us that maybe live out in the country, have a little longer drive, we have our trucks and farmers, people that need these vehicles that have high horsepower capabilities that electric motors just don't really have right now, not saying that they're not going to someday, but right now, let's look at all the options and let's start figuring out if there's ways to do this by either modernizing old technologies or coming up with newer versions or new ideas that maybe we can make everyone have what they need.

27:07 John Steve McLaughlin I'm going to dissect a little bit of what you've said there. There's two things I want to comment on. One, you talk about this Mazda thought process of using the gasoline motor as a generator for the electric motor. Didn't we have a little car called the Volt, Volt, V-O-L-T, that did exactly the same thing. The gasoline motor on a Volt was not designed and technically not even connected in a way that made it able to drive the car. The gasoline motor was only there to recharge the electric power plant. Rehashing old technology with new technology, I think Mazda is just looking at the Chevrolet Volt. They're really not even going that far back.

27:50 Derek Jon Moffitt Right. They're using that idea, but they're applying it to the rotary piston engine, which I find fascinating because the rotary piston engine is compact. You can make a very small rotary piston engine that fits into the packaging of the vehicle nicely. If it can be a generator that doesn't have to be big, think of the opportunities there.

28:17 John Jon Moffitt Okay, I'll go with that. Plus, it's interesting. The rotary engine only has what, three or six moving parts? It's very, very few moving parts. It's very similar to an electric

28:30 Derek motor where there's not very many moving parts. It's a simple technology there. Jon Moffitt Yeah, but you talk about that, Jon. Interestingly, don't forget, you say, oh, the Chevy Volt, but go back in history. We have to remember there was a car called the Owen Magnetic back in the teens that had an internal combustion engine with absolutely no mechanical connection to the driveshaft. It was there to charge the batteries for the electric motors. There was a magnetic clutch system in it that actually made the car move, actually supplied the power. It's a very interesting car in the history of automotive technology,

29:25 John but it was that same principle. Jon Moffitt The other thing you said that doesn't make sense. There are people that live in the cities that only commute to work, and a little electric car works for them. I've driven around my city, driven around lots of cities. Do you think, your logic is very sound and you can get away with an electric car because you're only driving 10 miles to work and 10 miles home or three miles to work and three miles home and a grocery store things. But the way America plays out, you still need the biggest, most gargantuan thing on the road to do that with. I guess it's kind of been tried, but cost is preventing it and production is preventing it, but everybody wants to drive a Tahoe so that they can drive three miles to work by themselves. Do you think they really would settle for a Nissan Leaf size vehicle to do that with? Which is exactly what they need. It's exactly what they need now. I think the problem is why we're building a lot of electric cars and while the Tesla Model 3 is the best selling car in California right now, I don't still see Americans converting to smaller, efficient electric vehicles like they need to. I think we're in trouble when everybody is producing a Rivian R1T or a Ford Lightning or a Tesla Cybertruck if it actually gets produced or I can't think of the other company. I think as we get more and more electric pickup trucks out there and electric SUVs, the small, efficient, car-like electric vehicle is

31:19 Derek going to rapidly, rapidly go away. That's a good thought, John. You're right. I think Americans do tend to want the big, bulky vehicle, the Tahos, the F-150s, the Silverados. Now, I won't go there. I don't know the answer to that because you're right. That is America. That is what Americans like. I hear people talk about it all the time and friends that live in the city and various people that I know and chat with. I guess I will go there. That was a joke that I wouldn't go there. One of the reasons that I hear from people that I talk to that live, and these are people that I know in like LA and New York and the big major metropolitan cities, literally has been, well, I got a big SUV because I don't trust other people's driving. I want to be safe and I don't want to be in something small because nobody knows how to drive anymore. Maybe we just need to teach

37:42 Derek I digress again, I get into my ramps and raves. I like a number of things you said there, John, because number one, legislating ourselves out of innovation, which is scary, right? Because that's what's happened. The industrial revolution, so many of the advancements that have been made throughout the history of mankind has been because people were free to innovate and be creative and look at a problem and find any possible solution to it. And if we establish legislation and laws and policies and things that are going to limit the ability to be creative, then yeah, we're shooting ourselves in the foot. But I also found it interesting, you know, we always talk about the electric grid, infrastructure, all of that. And it just made me think, because I hadn't really thought about it until you just said that, drive around the area you live in. And especially if it's near a metropolitan city, and granted I live 45 minutes outside of Nashville, Tennessee, the amount of gas stations, petroleum stations for internal combustion engines that are being built new right now far exceeds what we are putting in for electric charging stations. I mean, there's probably on my commute to work, three brand new gas stations being built along I-65, just between the Nashville or the Tennessee-Kentucky border and Nashville-Tennessee. Just north of Bowling Green, Kentucky, is the famous Buc-E's. There's a brand new, they just broke ground for a massive Buc-E's truck stop going in, which I need to research and look into it. But as far as I know, there will only, I know there's going to be gasoline pumps and diesel pumps. It would be interesting to see if there's any talk of them putting in an electric charging station. I'm trying to remember, we just built two Buc-E's around here. Yeah, I've seen, I've only been to one Buc-E's ever in my life one time. It was fairly late at night. I was pretty tired, so I wasn't really looking at what all was there. I don't know if they have electric charging stations or not. I think they do, but I'm checking right now. Does Buc-E's have EV charging? Some Buc-E's have EV charging stations. Some, there we go. But I mean, really think about it. We are still building infrastructure for internal combustion engines to this very day. We have not hit that tipping point of building the infrastructure for electric vehicles larger than what we have for internal combustion. And yes, we have more internal combustion cars on the road right now, but if we think, if we even think, that electric vehicles are going to become successful and going to move into the future, when does that tipping point happen to make sure the infrastructure is there? When do we start building gas stations or truck stops, whatever term we want to use for them? The term is probably going to have to change in the future. It will be interesting the day we see, in my opinion, the day we see a gas station go in that is 50% gas pumps, 50% electric charging stations. That to me will show that we're actually starting to change the infrastructure idea of where we're headed.

41:56 John Well, I just did some quick typing and researching on what you asked. The Buc-E's, the one in Leeds, Alabama, which was one of the most recently opened ones, it's been open a little over a year. I don't know about the one in Athens. It has EV charging stations, Tesla only, 250 kilowatt Tesla superchargers only for Tesla EVs or unless you have an adapter. There are 16 plugs for drivers. There are also eight CCSSAE and change mode chargers. Those are 350 kilowatt chargers through Electrify America. There are 24 charging stations at this Buc-E's. There are 120 gas pumps. That's damn near 18%. That's getting close to your 50%. But I also still stand by- Wait, you're saying 18% is getting close to 50? Yes. It's a lot better than what you would think, especially if you look- Well, it's better than zero. Yeah. 18% of the cars on the road aren't electric. So when you look at all the numbers, if you figure 5% of the cars on the road are electric, and they're devoting 18% of their pumps to electric, it's not so bad. Of course, the refueling with electricity takes a little bit longer, however you want to look at it. But I actually find that number surprising that they're approaching that 15-20% ratio. But I still go back to my argument, I'll probably be dead when I'm proven right. Gas stations are obsolete. If we go electric vehicles, gas stations are obsolete. And as soon

44:22 John bucky's in Alabama. Does it equal that all around the United States? I don't understand this, but another bucky's in Tempe, Texas has 10 250 kilowatt Tesla superchargers and then 48 plugs for use. But not all these options. So does it have 48 chargers? Do you see what I'm saying here, John? Which is, yeah, we're looking at one gas station, bucky's one specific company. The gas station infrastructure around the world around the United States is much bigger than that. So looking at one that is 18%, okay, great. But now add in all the gas stations that don't have it. You mean the three across the street from buckies that are your surprise, they're still in business that don't have any? Like I just said, though, one day the petroleum industry is going to wake up and go, hey, our gas station model is obsolete because these electric cars can charge at every museum they park at, at every grocery store they park at, at every Walmart. Walmarts are popping up electric chargers like crazy. Even in the towns I go to, some of these Walmarts have electric chargers. I'm surprised that I go to these towns that have a population of 300 and I see three Teslas in the parking lot in the Rivian. Electric's making its way in and none of the gas stations have chargers. Walmarts have chargers. I've seen McDonald's with chargers. I mean, I assume some targets have chargers. Three or four of the hotels I stay at have chargers. I stand by and very few people seem to say this or very few people that I read or listen to seem to say this. Gasoline stations are obsolete. They will go away. Oh, I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I really wish the petroleum companies would figure that out because if they did, their lobbying money would be to let's develop other technologies. Let's work on synthetic fuel because they're going to need our infrastructure for that. Right now we don't need the gasoline infrastructure. I'm quiet. I'll go off. I'll stop with my

46:43 Derek rant. But I agree with John. I mean, and that's if we were to be able to look at different options in technology, hydrogen, synthetic fuels, you know, anything else, you're right. I mean, a tank is a tank, right? A tank in the ground is a tank in the ground, whether it's holding gasoline, synthetic gasoline. You mean leaching gasoline into the… leaching gasoline into the mother earth soil. Anyway, you know, and you're right. I mean, currently they're quickly becoming obsolete. But if they would find ways, you know, and yeah, you might have to dig up the old gas tank and put in a carbon fiber, you know, strong hydrogen tank that's down there underground. Luckily not having to withhold 6,000 pounds per square inch of pressure. It would be opportunity to continue moving forward in the industry. But like you say, they just don't. They're just they're stuck in one way. It's limiting where we're going in the

52:20 John fuel sources. Again, we're not allowing innovation to push forward. We got to a point where it was like, well, it works, but it's expensive and forget it. Funny thing about the turbine car is to me, it might be slightly viable in today's world. I think people would be more comfortable with the 20,000 RPM and the noises and things like that. Still some inherent safety risks, et cetera, out there for it. But as we get into and recent press releases and that have shown flying cars might actually come into existence within the next few years, it might be a very adaptable motor to go into a vehicle that would become a flying car. I mean, a turbine could be your propulsion in the air, but it also could be a slight generator as your electricity levels drop while on the ground. You don't even necessarily have to be powered by the turbine. It's a technology that could be looked at, but nobody's ever going to look at it because there's no money to let them look at it. Everybody's got to look at it. Pile A, where I've got to spend all of my money, or am I going to look at technology B, where the government will give me $10 million to help? Even if it's a $300 billion project, A or B, I get 10 million from the government for doing B. I'm going to do B because it's only going to cost me 290 billion. It's…

53:56 Derek …not exactly that math. We'll just go 290 million and 300 million. It's just put the money in a big pile and let the viable technologies have it. Now, I guess the scary thing is who gets to decide what qualifies. Okay, one last thing to say. Obscure movie reference. Maybe not obscure because they made a remake of it. We need to allow the research and understanding of flubber.

57:07 announcer with you in another week. Later all. See you later. This show was a part of the No Driving Gloves Network produced and edited by John Viviani, a Magic City podcast with voice work by Gary Conger. So until the next exit.