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Replay of 73: Gardening CrossFit on the Banks of the Penobscot River | Joe The Mason | Orono, Maine
31st January 2018 • GREEN Organic Garden Podcast • Jackie Marie Beyer
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Replay of Gardening CrossFit Hall of Famer

Joe The Mason started out as a listener who connected with me on Facebook and I was able to convince to come on as a guest! He shares some amazing knowledge for a new gardener, but because he is both inquisitive AND a man of action he has taken some great advice from the experts at the local University of Maine, applied them with gusto and is quickly becoming a master gardener in his own right!

Tell us a little about yourself.

I just turned 50 years old this year, I live in Orono, Maine, in Eastern Maine. I graduated High School in 1983. I left Orono for the Navy for 4 years, but ended up staying out of state for 24 years. I come back in 2007, back to Orono. I actually live in my grandparent’s house, but will soon be moving into my parents house, which is where I have the garden we will be talking about is.

I’m a custodian at the local elementary school, which is the school I went through as a kid. So it’s kinda cool to be back, right back in town. I really like it a lot!

I have to give you a huge shout out, as an elementary school teacher I know how VALUABLE you’re job is! None of the school could run without the custodians. It’s good for the kids, it’s good for the teachers and it’s good for everybody! I give you a HUGE thank you and shoutout for doing that! It’s much appreciated! :~))

Really fun to be honest, I don’t get to see the kids too much, because I’m usually there in the evening or when they’re leaving and wave to them in the hall, but they’re usually very full of life and that’s nice to see!

Yep lots of good friends who are custodians! Excellent!!

You know I like to start the show by asking about your very first gardening experience?

The house that I’m moving into, my parents house, when I was a kid my grandfather had this huge garden, it was huge to me as a kid, behind the house. It sits on the embankment of the Penobscot River which is one of the biggest rivers in Maine. Now that I’m older, I like to think of myself now as my grandfather’s  “quality insurance checker” because I loved walking out the back door of the house and picking a cuke or something and rubbing it off on my jeans and eating it! Or pulling a tomato or a carrot or a radish. I didn’t actually help my gradnfather except to make sure they were yummy!

That’s what my grandkids do too!

My first actual gardening experience I think was probably, and your gonna chuckle, but I lived in Philadelphia for 12 years. I lived in South Philly and they are all row homes so you really don’t have any space behind your house, except maybe a 6×10 spot. In this row home I was in, I had a little brick wall that I built up on my deck that was maybe 2 feet high, maybe 4 feet long.  I went to Lowes, and bought some dirt, it wasn’t organic, now I realize this but I also bought some tomatoes. So I’m growing tomato plants on my back deck in Philly, and I’m growing tomatoes on my 3×6 foot floor deck! But it was great to walk out and pick tomatoes! It was because my grandpa and my parents always grew in that same garden. I’ve been around gardens a lot.

I think that will encourage people that do live in an apartment that maybe just a tomato plant will get me going!

Or an herb in a pot!

Or one of each they make great companion plants!


What does organic gardening/earth friendly mean to you?

Really not using the pesticides and the poisons! That’s what I’m doing this year, that’s really been my focus. Really you have to respect your food by respecting the soil. I’ve really tried to just live by that since I put my garden in this year.

I talked to this old friend of mine from high school Mary Frances Harris on episode 71 and she also lives on a river in NJ, and she realized anything that flows out of her lawn or even out of her driveway goes right into the lake.

Who or what inspired you to start using organic techniques?

I play a game called disc golf, people might know it as frisbee golf.

Or Folf!  :~)

Yeah, it’s kinda fun! I think it was around 2010 it was just a couple of years ago I was meeting friends in the disc golf community. And a friend of mine Noah worked for a local garden center that really promoted a lot of organic gardening. And he was talking about Monsanto, and I was like who. I felt almost embarrassed that I didn’t already know this at this point in my life, and I did all this research I did and learning about that and learning how people use these products to kill stuff and then going into the plant and I was like when I have a garden I’m not gonna do that! So it was really Noah who got me on that path!

That’s my grandson’s name, Noah! Well, and I’m always learning tons,  we can’t all know everything, we learn it as we go. So you must have learned it when you needed it!

How did you learn how to garden organically?

In my town of Orono there’s a farmer’s market and most of the farmers or a good portion of them are organic farmers. So I started going to that on Staruday and I started talking to people  and asking them questions as I was buying their produce as I was buying their melons and things. I really went to one more then others, for no other reason then I enjoy talking to them. The Snakeroot Organic Farm really started guiding me.

I learned so much from them and the other vendors

When I started gardening with a smaller garden where I currently am, with some neighbors. Near the raspberry patch in the pictures on Facebook you saw. Just some Hot peppers and some cucumbers.

I just immediately started without using any of the stuff you can buy in the store. One of the neighbors had chickens we always used her chicken droppings, and even know that’s what I use is the chicken waste.

And this isn’t for browning points, I’ve learned so much stuff from the guests on your podcast! I write stuff down when I’m listening at work, so I remember to try something!

Awww. Thanks. I have to say, I have learned a ton! So I’m sure listeners are as well.

I always tell people our chickens are for the manure the eggs are just bonus!

Tell us about something that grew well this year.

Yep right now we’re talking in mid-August, I don’t even like zucinin but I planted some for my parents cause they enjoy them so much. I bought a tray of 6 seedlings at the Farmer’s Market. I gave 2 to them in a big pot, I kept 2 and I gave 2 to the neighbors. These things are the leaves are so big it could cover a seat! It is giving me 5-6 zucchinis a week! I am giving them away hand over fist. I like em enough I could grill em now and then! So the zucchini the first year I put em in are going nuts!

The cukes are doing good as they always do.  But really surprising is radishes, I’ve never had the patience to separate seeds

This year I just  listened to the river, and I was outside and it was a nice day. And I spaced them. I’m actually on my second batch, but I’m giving em away! I’m just so excited, I don’t really eat em, but ‘;m loving that they’re growing!

I’m in Eastern Maine in Zone 5A

Maine has a lot of zones, up north is like 3A their growing season, it’s like a 5B zone along the coast. We have quite a few growing zones. I’m in 5A, I’m only about 50 feet above sea level. The actual primary campus of the University of Maine is located here in my home town. So even though our population when the school is away, might be about 10,000  it goes up by about 12K when the school comes in. It’s a small town that gets big with the college here.

I never appreciated how cool it is to have a college in your town,until I lived where there wasn’t one. When I was growing up my mom lived by a college, 

There’s always cultural stuff that goes on.

Maine is a big forestry and agricultural college, with geology and engineering. I have actually used and get information people who pay 1000$ of to school. I have these professors I can ask, one’s a forestry professor who’s given me some advice on Maple syrup. There’s a geology professor when you dig your lawn save the sod, compost that…

Having these friends of mine are very into helping with my gardening!

Is there something you would do different next year or want to try/new?


Joe’s cat Kira poses with some “hakurei” or Japanese salad turnips next to radishes to show size compaison

Something the farmer’s market here all the vendors, have these salad turnips, Hakurei turnips or Japanese salad turnips (The turnip greens can also be eaten.)

They’re small and white, about the size of a radish, with the leaves that come up! They don’t taste like your grandmother’s turnips. They’re almost like a radish without the spice. (Johnny’s Selected Seeds catalog (from Maine) carries the seeds and I am totally ordering some!)

I want to find out. I think what they do, they let the others grow

I think they’re pulling them out early. They’re so good with hummus, with a salad, just to pop in your mouth, and the other thing is the leaves are edible to saute or put in a salad. Like a salad green! They’re so good!

Megan Cain from the Creative Vegetable Gardener just talked about fall planting. And she recommended radishes and turnips for fall planting!

Tell me about something that didn’t work so well this season.

I always struggle with melons, even thought I get them as seedlings. I think that our growing season here is just short enough here that if we lose any time to extended old weather, an early fall with them  that the melons just don’t have a chance to mature.

I don’t have a hoop house, a lot of the farmers around here do. But I don’t so I’ve always struggled with melons.

We just got these seeds from this gentleman  (Bill McDorman) brought back from Siberia or something… we’re gonna give it one more try!


Something that you find is easy to grow and is generally successful every-time.

Cucumbers. Maybe zucchini as I have learned this year. I know for me cucumbers are fantastic, any pickling or salad size. Again I start them from seedlings I get from Snakeroot Organic here at the Farmer’s Market.

I think there’s an assumption when you go the Farmer’s Market it’s all organic. I always  thought that. I felt like the organic police, at the market recently saying I have a podcast about organic gardening. They were like we’re pesticide free…

Something you would steer new gardeners away from that you find is typically challenging to grow in your climate

Probably with listeners from my area, unless you have a hoop house or a greenhouse,

we had a really cool june,so I’m not really thinking my melons are going to mature before fall here because june was a little chilly for us.

Which activity is your least favorite activity to do in the garden.

Um, I know for a lot of people it’s weeding, and even though I went away for a week and it’s like Aaah the weeds are here! I’m still catching up with that.  I don’t like to pull up a plant that is failing. That kinda hurts. Cause, you want them all to produce something, like this year, the green pepper seedling. 4 of the 6 are just struggling.I thought no, no, they’re gonna be ok.  I just decided, they’re not going anywhere, pulling a failing plant would be the worst for me.

So you got all of the seedlings at the same place and just 2 of them didn’t make it. So maybe that’s a lesson for people. sometime;s that just happens.

The ones that are producing the green bell peppers for me. They’re not grocery store size. I’m pulling one bigger then a hot pepper it’s an heirloom that snakeroot farm has been doing themselves. They have their own tomato varieties. But when I had to pull one of those.

I know, even thinning or cutting the flowers. I cut my basil plant back all the time, but I’ve been doing that for years and I know it’s gonna grow back, so maybe I just need the confidence, but even just making a bouquet to bring in the house. And I have so many flowers this year.

What is your favorite activity to do in the garden.

I love being barefoot in the dirt! I know my family laughs at me, once the good weather hits heare, I don’ th ave shoes on. Especially in freshly

I turned lawn into garden, I actually hand tilled it! got rid of that

So being in that loose dirt, that was just just turned, since gram shut his garden down

That’s why I don’t mind weeding!

I like that job too! I almost think it’s one of the clearer gardening jobs.

My friends laughed and were like why don’t you just get a tiller?

And it was one of your episodes, with Cathy’s Crawlers!

Yeah, Cathy Nesbitt! from episode 23!

For the past three years, mostly through diet, so I’ve lost like 60 lbs in like 3 years.

Some people pay to go to the gym to get a work out. I’m gonna get my work out!

What does Kelly call it? From Kelly Ware? Permaculture Crossfit!

My husband always makes fun of me, I want to go  hiking, or running or just enjoy the forest. He’s always like we need to go firewooding, or mushroom picking, or looking for huckleberries – bushwacking yuck! But then he works in the garden all day and is fit as a fiddle. It’s so unfair you guys and your gardening metabolism!

Tell us about the best crop you ever grew.

Yeah, I gotta go back to cucumbers, I put in like 12 cucumber plants and I stopped counting after I had picked 150 off of 12 plants. Yes it was crazy Jackie, either the weather was perfect, or

or they liked the music I played,

but they were just growing and every time I picked up a vine, there were like three more! I was giving cucumber’s away hand over fist. I couldn’t get a dill brine that worked for me. Have you heard of mustard pickles?

Like mustard relish?

Exactly kinda sweet!

Sort of ends up being a sweet pickle, my canadian grandfather,  I asked what was it the pere used to make, I looked online

You know what I want to know is? What’s your playlist?

I do like to listen to the birds and the river, to be just out there and hear the birds. Every now and then I like to listen to I think it’s called Ameircana, coutnry, bands like Wilco, My mornign jacket, blue grass mixed in with that. That’s mostly what I play. Every once in a while I get a kick and gotta have some Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin playing.

What is the best gardening advice you have ever received?

One of the Professors from the University of Maine when I was growing brussel sprouts for the first time.

You have to snip the top of the plant off at the end of Sept tells the plant to stop growing upward and instead put all of your energy into your vegetable, in this case the Brussell sprouts plump up. He told me the brussel sprouts up here, can actually survive a frost, so we picked them into late October, knowing that helped give me a decent crop that first year.

OK, well this is sort of embarrassing. Miek wanted som cauliflower pants, and I grabbed like three trays cause they were so cheap. And when I got in the car he was like you know these aren’t cauliflower right these are brussel sprouts… so we have brussel sprouts growing…so is there anything else we should know?

Im not sure when you would need to clip the top, part of the plant, cause it just keeps growing up and it will develop vegetables an ag professor, has worked for me. Of course youl;ll cut the stalk then you have to use a pairing knife to get them off the stalk. But they’re so good!

How do you cook your brussel sprouts? I just steam them with salt and pepper.

I had visitied friends in Phlily over new years, and I went to this Greman restaurant, and got this bs that the had baked in the oven, with salt, pepper,  garlic and white onion. They were so good! My hope is that I can replicate that, I bought brussel sprouts in the store and I’m trying to replicate it! I pan fry with a little garlic and olive oil. They’re great I love brussel sprouts.

Have you ever entered a fair? How’d that go?

No, not with any product. Just to ride the tilt-a-wheel!


A favorite tool that you like to use? If you had to move and could only take one tool with you what would it be.

It would probably be that garden fork, it’s sort of like a pitch fork, more flat and broad, so you can actually dig into the soil and pull it up without it all just falling though. That really helped me clear that sod out. And I’m thinking it’s gonna help me get my carrots out.

Mike told me, I was gonna write  post about pitch fork, and mike said we have one that’s called a potato fork…

Yeah and it’s my grandfathers.

Do you have any secrets for preserving food-making it last? 

I would love to get a dehydrater (Santa Claus if your listening… ) I can, I know canning because my mom would do it, she shared tomatoes and green beans and all of that. So I do that water bath method....