Reconciliation is the Key to Prophecy

TS Wright

Reconciliation is a pivotal theme in understanding biblical prophecy, particularly concerning the end times, as discussed by Pastor Bob Thibodeau and his guest Scott Wright. They delve into how God's redemptive plan hinges on reconciling humanity to Himself, a process emphasized throughout both the Old and New Testaments.

The conversation highlights the significance of Christ's sacrifice, illustrating how His blood serves as the ultimate means of reconciliation, overshadowing the limitations of past sacrifices. Scott explains that true reconciliation requires acknowledgment of sin and a sincere turning towards God, emphasizing the personal and collective nature of this journey.

As they explore the implications of these teachings, listeners are encouraged to actively participate in the ministry of reconciliation, sharing their faith amidst a world marked by division.

Takeaways:

• Reconciliation is essential in understanding God's redemptive plan for humanity, both individually and collectively.
• The shedding of blood, particularly in the Old Testament, was crucial for reconciliation with God.
• The New Covenant through Jesus' blood represents the ultimate reconciliation for all believers today.
• Sin's seriousness is emphasized through the necessity of Jesus' painful sacrifice for our redemption.
• Understanding the ministry of reconciliation is vital for Christians in these end times.
• The historical context of prophecy and the church's ages reveals the ongoing message of reconciliation.

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Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast with Pastor Bob Thibodeau.

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Now, here is your host with today's interview, Pastor Bob Thibodeau.

Hello, everyone everywhere.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau here.

Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast.

Today we're so blessed that you're joining us.

Today.

We're being joined by our good friend Scott Wright, again, author of the God Center Concept Journal, host of the God Center Concept Podcast.

Scott is a respected teacher on biblical prophecy in the end times.

His insights into reconciliation, which is our topic today, is a critical key to understanding the end times.

And it's not just profound, but very timely for the day and time in which we live today.

Amen.

And drawing from scripture, Scott, she has light on this central thing that unites God's redemptive plan for humanity.

Amen.

Help me.

Welcome to the program our good friend, Scott Rice.

Scott, welcome back.

And as we get ready to do this recording, we are in the middle of the Christmas season right now.

So Merry Christmas, praise God, and Merry Christmas to you.

And hey, it's great to be back on the show.

Look forward to another fun, fruitful discussion.

Amen.

Amen.

So happy New Year as well.

Amen.

So let's begin by defining what reconciliation is.

I mean, from a biblical perspective.

How does 2nd Corinthians 5, verse 18 and 19 explain its significance in God's plan?

Well, I think the whole understanding of reconciliation is the fact that it's God using some kind of a means to reconcile his people to himself, both collectively and individually.

And we see this play out in the Bible in all kinds of places in the Old and the New Testament.

But reconciliation is.

It's basically the process that we go through to reconnect to God.

And it's, it's removing our sin so that he can connect to us.

That's really what it is.

And obviously in this day and age, in the New Testament time, the church age is, we want to, we like to talk about, it is about Christ who reconciles us to God.

It's all about what is done through him.

So that's how it's done.

It's, you know, it's nothing that we do per se to earn it, but it's us surrendering to it.

It's surrendering to Christ so that he can reconcile us to God.

Are there parts of the process that we have to walk through?

Absolutely.

We have to confess, we have to surrender, confess.

We, we also have to repent.

And notice I didn't say confession and repentance in combining them because repentance is turning away and setting your heart and actually starting to do and go in the direction that you're supposed to go.

So that's, it's the whole process.

And before we see it play out in the Old Testament as well.

Yeah.

Before Jesus came, how was the reconciliation between God and humanity accomplished or attempted?

I mean, what limitations did these people, you know, have that Jesus took care of?

Sure.

So one of the main thing pieces of reconciliation both in the Old and New Testament is, is basically the shedding of blood.

Blood has to be a part of this.

And so in the Old Testament it was done through the sacrifice of animals.

And the blood of animals, that would be what would reconcile people.

And so we see this play out as early as Genesis 4.

Cain and Abel, they talk about the offerings, you know, they're giving an offer.

That with Adam and Eve because God slaughtered an innocent animal just to give them clothes.

Yep.

And so you saw that part as well.

And so the blood sacrifice is, is a key component to all of this.

Now where it really comes into play is on the mountain with Moses when God gives them the tabernacle and the whole process and the feast of the day of atonement is the key, is the key feast for them to be reconciled to God.

And how does that all start?

It's you take your unblemished lamb, your one year old lamb that you've raised, and you give that to them to be sacrificed.

And you have to watch it be sacrificed.

And that is the representation of your sin.

That innocence is being killed because of your sin.

Yeah.

And I, like sometimes when I'm teaching on this, you know, I'll, I'll put it down, you know, the impact that has, because you're raising this land, it has to be unblemished, which means you're not going to leave it out in the barnyard, you know, where it can get in fight with another animal and all that.

So these animals are raised as pets in the house.

I said, can you try and explain to your 5 year old who loves her little lamb, why now you have to kill it.

Exactly.

And you know that.

And that, you know that is when you stop and think about it like that.

You know, you raise this little puppy you got, the puppy is eight, nine, ten weeks old.

Okay, now it's one year old.

Let's kill it.

You know, the family pet.

How can you do that?

You know, and, but that's how it's emphasized to the children, how serious sin is.

And, and, but yeah, that, that's, you know.

Yeah.

Amen.

Amen.

So a part, I, I just want to say this, a part of reconciliation, and I'm glad you brought that up, is that we are to acknowledge the seriousness of our sin.

I mean, this is how serious sin is.

Jesus had to die and he had to die a certain way before the sacrifice would be acceptable to God.

It wasn't just dying.

It was incredibly painful.

One of the most painful ways somebody could die.

And it had to be done that way because of the hideousness of our sin.

Yeah, go listen to old Billy Graham sermons.

He talks about that.

Oh yeah.

And the innocence of Jesus.

Everybody knew he was, Everybody knew he was innocent.

Even Pilate, even Pilot and Pilate's wife.

I bet he caught flack over that one.

But, so anyway.

Yeah.

How is Jesus transformed, though?

Reconciliation through the New Covenant.

We talked about the Old Covenant.

What about the New Covenant?

What does that mean for believers today?

So the blood of Jesus, number one.

The blood of Jesus is the most important and the most valuable commodity in human history.

It is.

It outranks any other commodity that you can ever imagine.

Because the blood of Jesus is the only thing that can cleanse us from our sins.

It's the shedding of his blood that becomes the new covenant.

And it's through his blood that we are washed clean.

And, and think of it this way.

Think of all your sins being written on this page of a book.

Every sin you've ever committed.

And then the blood of Jesus is spilt on that and it covers it.

So the sin is seen no more.

All, all that's seen is the blood of Jesus.

That's how important the blood of Jesus is because God is going.

There's going to be a judgment.

And when that judgment comes, is he going to see the blood of Jesus or is he going to see your sin?

That's the question.

That's it.

There is no other question.

That's how important Jesus is to all of this process.

Because it all has to do with that.

When we Die in the flesh.

We're going to go and stand before God and be judged.

Are we going to be judged according to our sin?

Are we going to be judged according to the blood of Jesus?

Amen.

That's it.

His blood is the key.

Yeah.

We have a big thing in modern day information where someone will request some document from the government.

You know, they're doing research on the assassination of John Kennedy or something.

And you get these documents and they're all redacted.

You know, it says, and then he went here, he went to.

And it's redacted.

And he talked to.

And that's redacted and all that.

They redact it.

And if you're trying to enter the.

If you took that document and entered it into a court of law, in a lawsuit for something or other, they just say there's no proof here, you know, but this is, this highlights everything.

All that redacted stuff is where they're guilty.

Yeah.

There's no proof.

And in our book of life, the, the record that you talked about of our life, full of sin, if we have Jesus as our savior and the devil says, here's what he did, Bam.

And he throws it down on the table and they open up, there's nothing there.

It's all blacked out or covered in blood.

It's all red out.

You know, we'll call that.

But, you know, and the judge says, no proof.

Not guilty.

You know.

Yeah.

Amen.

Amen.

What a day that will be.

Amen.

Exactly.

Amen.

Yeah, the accuser won't win.

He can't.

He can't stand against the blood of Jesus.

Yeah.

He's already lost.

He's already lost.

And as we said before, and he knows he lost.

And the clock is ticking.

Yeah.

Amen.

So why do you believe reconciliation is the key aspect?

We talk about prophecy all the time.

Why is this the key aspect to understanding the End times prophecies?

So to me, it's the understanding not only the end time prophecies, but all prophecy, because it's.

Who's carrying that message of reconciliation is the key.

As we study the seven ages of the Church, you and I have talked about this, and I'm not always sure that people have studied this deep enough and long enough and dug deep enough to understand.

I think they just taken it at face value, certain church events or events that happened in the history of the church and just said, oh, this is where the switching is and what it is, and just kind of assumed.

Whereas real study, digging deep teaches us that it's all about who carries the message of reconciliation.

So in the Old Testament, way back in Genesis, it's all about, it's just about the sacrifice.

The patriarchs.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, it's there.

They, there would be some kind of a sacrifice.

I mean, we see that with Abraham, that obviously was going on.

We see it like you said, all the way back to Genesis 3 and 4.

We see that going on.

We see it going on all the way through up until Moses.

And then Moses gets the tabernacle and we see the day of atonement.

And that is a shifting as Israel becomes a nation.

Now they are the messengers.

They are the ones carrying the message of reconciliation.

And the goal was, is that they would carry the message of reconciliation and host it for the rest of the world.

But that never happened.

That just didn't happen.

They failed miserably.

I mean, over and over and over.

And God gave them multiple chances.

So what happens?

Well, Jesus comes along and the veil of the curtain is torn in two.

And then we have about, about a five to seven, eight year period there before Peter receives the Acts 10 vision, approximately.

So they, they think that Jesus died.

And I've, I've been looking at different research.

So there's some arguments that it was in 30, some in 33, some in 32.

But this one that I read in 31 kind of makes sense.

It made the most sense to me.

I'm not saying it is, and I'm not going to say it's defined as that, but it's roughly in that area.

Well, roughly five to seven to eight years later, Peter receives that Acts 10 vision.

And that Acts 10 vision is the shift, it is the key that shifts the message of reconciliation from the Jews to the Gentiles.

Because what happens, Peter, Paul, the disciples, they start spreading the word of God to all the Gentiles.

Cornelius becomes the first convert.

Gentile convert, technically, in a way.

Now there had been others when Jesus was there that were just that lived in the area.

But for it to start happening outside of the area of Jerusalem and the area of Judea, it starts spreading and spreading and spreading.

And so the Gentile starts taking over the message of reconciliation.

And now that message of reconciliation is through Christ, the period of the Messiah.

And we're going to have seven ages of the church which we're living in the last age now.

But even that has all been about who carries the message of reconciliation.

There was a separation in the first stage of the church.

You see it start to separate between that the Jew and the Christian starts to separate because they were kind of linked in together for a little while.

But you see that dividing line come apart in the first age of the Church.

The second age of the Church is all about how the persecuted church spreads, you know, and there's just pockets and periods of persecution.

A lot of people think that the entire second age of that church, that time period between about 138 all the way up to the 3:13ish mark, they think it's all persecution the entire time.

That is absolutely not true.

Matter of fact, this is where the second to the third day of church.

Some people think it's Edict of Milan.

And that is not actually would be accurate because there was the edict of tolerance.

That was in 260.

The Edict of Milan is not even the first time that, that we have, that we have Christianity being okay.

That happens in 260.

So.

And there's kind of this period that it's accepted and it's okay.

And.

And then it's not.

And then it is.

And it's not even till 380 that the Roman Empire adopts Christianity as its official state religion.

That didn't even happen until 380.

So what's the event?

It's Constantine being baptized.

You and I have talked about that.

I mean, and, and you even made the point.

Here's the emperor whose worship is a God, says oh, I have to be baptized and bow before God and, and kind of really kind of throwing mud in the face of the Pharaoh.

When you go read back in Exodus, who, who thinks he is a God, thinks he doesn't have to bow to God and he pays the price for that.

And then as we move forward through the ages of the church, we get through the fourth age.

And when we get to the end of the fourth age, it's really about the British Empire taking over the message of reconciliation away from the Roman.

Basically the Roman culture is really what it is.

And then they spread it further and wider than anybody.

I mean, the sun never sets in the British Empire.

Empire.

Well, think about it.

As they're colonizing, they're also taking their churches, the Anglican Church, they're spreading that.

And there's British missionaries going all over the place spreading the word of God.

You know, the Great Awakening, which will be the six age of the church will be spread through the.

From the, will come from the British Empire.

And then the Age of Opulence, which is really what the Laodicean Church is, that all starts in Britain.

So the British Empire really for the fourth or fifth age.

And what I find fascinating is that the first four ages is chapter two of Revelation, the last three is chapter three.

It's kind of like chapter two is about what all happens in Rome as a centerpiece, and then chapter three is all about what happens in London.

I mean, it's fascinating in a way that is just mind boggling.

And it's about who carries the message of reconciliation.

But think about this.

We're getting to the last.

We're in the last stage and we're getting to the end of the last stage.

That time is coming and who's going to be.

You kind of wonder, is it going to be the building of the Third temple?

Is it going to be a rapture that ends the church age?

You can make a case for either side of that.

But what's happening in the book of Revelation when the seals are starting to be broken, the first seal.

And as you read, people are grumbling against God, but they won't repent.

See, again, it comes back to this whole idea of reconciliation.

So there's this time period of the tribulation that people aren't reconciling to God in any way.

They aren't.

I think there'll be pockets of individuals and of course there'll be the 144,000 that'll come to Christ during that time.

But it's, it's not a majority of people and it certainly isn't a very large percentage of people.

Most people are 8 billion people and only 144,000.

I mean, it's like, exactly.

I mean, it's crazy how that works.

And, and so we have a, we have this seven, you know, this seven year tribulation that's going to occur.

And during that tribulation, people are going to grumble.

Every time these seals are broken, the seven trumpets and the seven bowls of wrath, all of that, people are going to grumble against the two witnesses.

And I mean it's, I mean they're going to, when they're killed, they're going to be sending gifts to each other immediately.

And so it kind of shows this lack of reverence for God.

Reconciliation brings reverence.

If people aren't giving reverence to God and putting him on the throne of their life and, and really manifesting him above all other things, they're not reconciled to God.

Yeah, I mean, in this world, I mean this, this whole world is marked by division.

I mean, you got Republicans and Democrats, whites and blacks and Hispanics and everybody else involved in the mix nation.

Against nation, Syria.

And, you know, I mean, it's just one thing after another.

So in this world that's marked by division, how can Christians really actively participate in this ministry of reconciliation as we are going through these end times?

Well, we need to be.

We need to be sharing our faith with others.

That's.

We're called to do that no matter what age of the church, no matter when and how and where.

Our calling ultimately is to share our faith and to help spread the word of God and to spread the gospel.

That's the message of reconciliation.

That's one of my favorite scriptures.

I mean, I can preach on that all day long, several times a week, you know, and never get through it all, you know, But God, you know, and his message.

Peter's message to Cornelius was how God.

And he says this message, you know, you've heard it.

You know, how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth, the Holy Ghost and power, who went about doing good, healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with him.

And we are his.

His witnesses to all these things.

I mean, that's.

To me, that.

That is like, if I am visiting somewhere, I say, oh, pass.

Come up and give us a message today.

And, you know, unless led by the Holy Spirit to do something else.

That's my go to message, because that is the gospel summed up in one verse.

Amen.

God did with Jesus what Jesus did for us, and now this is our turn, you know, and amen.

You can get people fired up with that one verse of scripture.

Two verses.

Yeah, and I'll go into.

And what are witnesses supposed to do?

I can't be a witness in a court case.

Well, I heard that, you know, John hit his wife while he was wrecking the car.

Well, did you witness it?

No.

Well, your testimony is invalid.

Right.

So it gets tossed out.

So to be a witness means you can only talk about what you know.

Yeah, firsthand, firsthand.

Not secondhand, thirdhand, fourth hand.

Not only what you know, you know.

And when you're a witness to what you know about Jesus, that's admissible in any court of law, including the heavenly court.

Amen.

Anyway, I didn't want.

I told you I can start preaching on that one verse, brother.

Hey, well, think about Luke himself.

Luke is the one that writes this.

He not only writes the gospel, but really Acts is just a second part of the Gospel of Luke.

Gospel, Luke, and Amen.

And so what Luke does is he goes around and Records, eyewitness accounts.

That's what he's doing.

You know, you talk about being admissible in a court of law.

Of all the gospels, Luke is the one that really takes eyewitness accounts and takes that to the nth degree and.

Writes really the longest version in modern day terminology.

What do we call a documented interview of a witness that's admissible in court?

A deposition.

You know, that's really what he's doing.

This is Luke's deposition.

He's presenting it and, and he's talking to all these different people as he's recording both his gospel and the book of Acts.

And of course we, you know, they, they eventually separate.

That, that really was one big story that he wrote is really what that is.

And you know, he's, he's following Paul in a lot of the book of Acts.

But it's not just Paul he's talking to, he's talking to Peter, he's talking to the other disciples.

He's using other source sources that had direct eyewitness accounts.

He is using eyewitness accounts to write this really this story about Christ.

And if I was to say that I could only keep one gospel, of the four gospels that were written, it, that's the one I would keep as Luke.

I would keep Luke in the book of Acts together as one because.

Exactly.

It's, it's based on eyewitness accounts.

It's what you said.

It's a big deposition and it's direct evidence.

Amen.

Amen.

Well, Scott, as usual, so interesting, I can just keep going.

But how can someone reach out to you with questions or if they want to get more information or maybe invite you to do an interview such as.

This so they can go to the God centered concept, which is just email me at gcc God centered.

Recordings have already started.

Pastor Bob is going to be on our, he's actually going to be on our show.

He's going to be.

There goes the neighborhood.

There he goes.

He's going to be actually our first interview that we post and I've got other people in line already for interviews.

We're going to be.

I'll tell you what, we are going to do a lot of more than I actually anticipated.

We're going to do a lot of teaching about what is going on now?

We're going to.

I think the show is going to end up a lot of focus on the seven ages of the Church and tying in how things are happening and showing people through evidence, much like Luke, how it relates to the end times and how things are developing as we go.

You know, I think one of the most interesting pieces to all this is that how in the world.

It's just always asking the question, how did we get here?

Yeah, how.

How did we get to the point that we're at?

How did this happen?

So we're going to give some historical context in our show that I think you guys will find interesting as well as it'll help you connect things and make it make more sense.

It won't just be like, the Holy Spirit gave me a vision and here it is and you know, and then things don't happen and then they look foolish.

The things that I get from the Holy Spirit, I will tell you always, he always backs it up with showing me evidence.

I've always.

It's been kind of an interesting thing with that prophetic way of, I guess, coming, you know, and you and I have talked about that here on the show before, is that there's.

God always leaves evidence.

Even the prophets in the Old Testament, there was always.

It wasn't just the prophet speaking.

There were usually evidence even beforehand.

And the prophet was just given the final warning.

I mean, it was like, this is it.

Yep.

Amen.

If you don't do this, this is what's going to happen.

Yep.

What do you tell Pharaoh?

You know, exactly.

I mean, he was warned, yeah, let.

My people go or it's not going to be good.

And here's all the evidence.

And then it just kept getting worse and worse and he still wouldn't let him go.

And it just kept getting worse.

And he kept telling him what was going to happen.

But, you know, it's kind of like.

It's kind of like Larry Bird back in the day when he had hit a last second shot, he'd tell the defender what he was going to do and the defender wouldn't believe him.

And he would do it and hit the shot and win the game.

So, or, or Muhammad Ali, he's going out in round three.

And he went out in round three most of the time.

Almost every time.

Sometimes they say he's not going to make it one round, first round knockout.

You know, my dad went to, you know, this is back in the day when you had to do, you know, pape, you know, he went down to like they had where the hockey arena and they had a big screen in there they'd bring out, you know, and for closed circuit tv, you know.

Oh yeah, my dad paid money to go watch Muhammad Ali in this fight.

Muhammad Ali was talking about he's going to get him knocked out in the first round.

And he was still in line when they were introducing the fighters and stuff, you know, to get his little refreshments and the thing.

And my dad's just getting his stuff paid for it.

He's walking in and they're already lifting his hand up in the air.

33 seconds into the first round.

He knocked the guy in, he paid the money, didn't even get to see.

Had to watch it on replay.

He told me.

How do we get off on that subject?

I have no idea.

Anyway, folks, I cannot emphasize enough how important it is for you to realize we are living right now in the last of the last days.

The days that have been prophesied as the quote, unquote, end times.

They're here right now.

Drop down the show notes, reach out to Scott, right?

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Amen.

Do it right now before you forget about it later.

Scott, man, I appreciate you taking the time to come on the program, share all about this information with us.

Hey, I'm looking forward to it.

And hey, been having a great time the last two years and let's have some more fun times.

Amen.

And the cool thing is when you talk about the end times and the Bible, you never run out of stuff to talk about.

No, it's, it's endless.

Literally, it's endless.

When, when, when we stop talking about it, that means Jesus came back or we're with him one way or the other.

We could sit here and talk for three hours on the show and not even, not even put hardly a ripple in the water.

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