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Halloween: Your Neighborhood Mission
Episode 35425th October 2021 • Everyday Disciple Podcast • Caesar Kalinowski
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Halloween has some “dark history”, and many of us were taught that this was a holiday you were supposed to avoid if you’re a Christian. But the truth behind this annual event may surprise you. There’s no reason to miss out on this HUGE chance to bring redemption to your neighborhood. In this episode, Caesar shares a classic and informative conversation he had a while back with Heath Hollensbe, as they discuss the amazing opportunity that our current cultural experience of Halloween provides as we live on mission and make disciples. In This Episode You’ll Learn:
  • The history of Halloween and how the Church may have actually invented it.
  • How the Gospel redeems culture instead of avoiding it.
  • Why Christians can and should participate with radical generosity.
  • 7 ideas on ways to be more intentional and missional this year.
Get started here… Halloween: Your Neighborhood Mission From this episode: “We had a blast and took things further towards lasting relationships with several people. Our goal with this was to try and move relationships beyond just dropping a good candy bar in the bags of the kids… and start to develop connections and relationships with the parents beyond just this one night of Halloween.”
Each week the Big 3 will give you immediate action steps to get you started.
Download today’s BIG 3 right now. Read and think over them again later. You might even want to share them with others…

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Caesar:

The truth about Halloween.

Caesar:

Was it long ago, there was some pagan celebrations that were going on, but like in the eighth century, the church said, Hey, Hey, let's redeem that.

Caesar:

And so they just went ahead and renamed that day, all saints day.

Caesar:

And that was a day when they would pray for the people, you know, their, their relatives that had, I don't know if they prayed for salvation or whatever, but they would just be, they would just.

Caesar:

For people who had passed away.

Caesar:

And it was the church's way of redeeming the culture.

Caesar:

So they said, Hey, we'll, we're going to have parties.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

So I loved it because it wasn't like let's abstain from it.

Caesar:

Let's stand up on a wooden box in the square and tell everybody you shouldn't be participatingthey just went ahead and renamed it.

Caesar:

And then what happened?

Caesar:

Was it all saints day?

Caesar:

That was all Hallows eve.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

All what they was the night before, and then all Hallows' Eve got shortened and Halloween.

Caesar:

Huh?

Caesar:

That was long ago

Heath:

So you're saying that the Halloween was the church's idea.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

It actually, right.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Heath:

Welcome to the Everyday Disciple podcast where you learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.

Heath:

In other words ,discipleship as a lifestyle.

Heath:

This is the stuff your parents, pastors, and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.

Heath:

And now here's your host Caesar.

Heath:

Kalinowski

Caesar:

All right, here we go.

Caesar:

Hope you're having a great day.

Caesar:

I hope you're loving life and just experiencing grace to the fullest here as we live in the kingdom, the kingdom of a good and right.

Caesar:

And perfect.

Caesar:

God hope your experience in that.

Caesar:

I promised you, I might give you a little update from the last episode I told you I was excited because Tina and I were just getting.

Caesar:

To go on a little, two or three day vacation down the Oregon coast.

Caesar:

Well, it was beautiful.

Caesar:

The weather, the first day was amazing and it was beautiful there.

Caesar:

And as I was hoping and expected, the food and wine was great.

Caesar:

And we met a friend down in Portland on the way, and it was just a blast the next day, little rainy, a little bit more of your traditional Pacific Northwest late fall, kind of feel.

Caesar:

But still along the coast, it is some of the most beautiful oh.

Caesar:

Part of the world I've ever seen.

Caesar:

Amazing.

Caesar:

So, yeah, that was a nice little pressure valve release feeling a little bit, uh, recreate little rest there and our hearts definitely needed that.

Caesar:

So yeah.

Caesar:

But back at it and happy to be.

Caesar:

Hey, can I just say, if you find even the smallest little nugget of wisdom and encouragement from the Podcast, or as you hear this episode

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would you share it with a friend who needs it?

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Don't be stingy.

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Your friend will think you're a rock star.

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Okay.

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For sharing with them.

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I just love it.

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When I get a text from a friend or someone, somebody in my family with a link to a podcast that they know I'm going to absolutely love along with a message.

Caesar:

You know, it says something like, wow, you got to listen to this podcast.

Caesar:

You're going to love this.

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I love getting that.

Caesar:

That's how I find new podcasts and sort of pay it forward when I find something good.

Caesar:

So if you're enjoying the Everyday Disciple Podcast, would you do that right now?

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It's super easy because just like everything online it's Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash something.

Caesar:

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Caesar:

So you can share this episode just by going.

Caesar:

Wow.

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You got to check out this podcast.

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Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash 3 54 3 5 4.

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There you go.

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Would you do that?

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Would you just take a moment and share the podcast love out there and be sure to join us on Facebook too.

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We've got a cool group over there.

Caesar:

If you've not joined us yet, go over to the Facebooks and search up Everyday Disciple Podcast or same pattern you can go to Everyday.

Caesar:

Disciple dot com forward slash Facebook.

Caesar:

Now I also want to let you know about a couple of opportunities to hang out together.

Caesar:

Live.

Caesar:

I'm going to be doing a couple of different Everyday Disciple workshops coming up here soon.

Caesar:

So I don't know when you're hearing this, but if it's, if you're a regular listener of the show and it's real soon on November 13th, Tina and I will be in Maryville, Missouri.

Caesar:

And we're going to be doing the Everyday Disciple workshop there.

Caesar:

It's hosted by C3 church in Maryville.

Caesar:

It's about an hour, I think, a little less from Kansas city, but we're going to go deep into Gospel identity and discipleship rhythms, and living as a family on mission in these things.

Caesar:

So if you want to come to that, that's actually a free event.

Caesar:

They're hosting that and just saying, y'all come.

Caesar:

So if you live anywhere within striking distance of that, I'd love it.

Caesar:

If you join us there on November 13th, that's a Saturday for an Everyday Disciple workshop.

Caesar:

You can get a little more information on that at Everyday.

Caesar:

Disciple dot com forward slash C3 is the letter C number three forward slash C3.

Caesar:

And then I'm also the following weekend.

Caesar:

Tina and I will both be doing that sort of same workshop in Dallas.

Caesar:

Hosted by the Dallas Baptists on November 20th.

Caesar:

And you can get information and get tickets for that, that one you need to reserve spots.

Caesar:

It's limited seating, and you can go to Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash Dallas.

Caesar:

I really hope you'll consider make it a little trip out of this with folks from your Missional Community leaders in your church, come and join us.

Caesar:

Have a blast, get some cool Everyday Disciple training, and I'd love to meet you and say hi and hug your neck.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

As we get started here, I know I told you last week that I'd be sharing a bit of.

Caesar:

Own entrepreneurial journey with you, Tina and I have been serial entrepreneurs all while doing ministry, but here's the thing, Tina, I'll both be joining you next episode on the podcast and we'll walk you through the 20 plus businesses, nonprofits and church plants.

Caesar:

We've done together over the years, but I postpone this talk.

Caesar:

Today because I took my own advice.

Caesar:

I listened back to an episode that we did on the podcast a couple years ago, where Heath and I were talking about Halloween and the amazing opportunity for mission and relationship building it is.

Caesar:

And it's just too good not to share with you here.

Caesar:

As we head into this season again . Maybe you're a new listener.

Caesar:

Maybe hadn't heard this before or because it was a couple of years ago.

Caesar:

Maybe you haven't heard it since then, but it gets into a lot of the history of Halloween.

Caesar:

So why we don't have to fear it as Christians freak out about it and a bunch of great ideas for living on mission right.

Caesar:

In your own neighborhood, this Halloween.

Caesar:

So I really felt this is what I'm supposed to do.

Caesar:

Let's dive into that now.

Heath:

Yeah.

Heath:

So I don't usually dress up, but one year, probably four years ago I bought this.

Heath:

The German leader Hosen and it was like the, it was like a little too tight on me and it felt good.

Heath:

It felt tight, but I also have my beer Stein with me and I just, it was kind of fun walking around the kids in a, in a thin little Walmart.

Caesar:

Liederhosen I, you know, I can't, I be honest with you.

Caesar:

I cannot remember what the weirdest, Halloween costume I'm sure.

Caesar:

Taking the kids around doing some Halloweens.

Caesar:

Cause yeah, I can remember.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Well, all of them pretty much if I was in town or whatever, um, I don't remember doing a whole lot of dressing up, so I don't remember them

Caesar:

. I do remember my folks go into some Halloween parties and dressing up a little bit, but not very often.

Caesar:

I'm not a big costume guy.

Caesar:

ya me neither?

Caesar:

But I've seen some crazy.

Caesar:

I've seen some crazy costumes online.

Caesar:

Like it's getting where it's not just like, you know, like people want to rent them.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

It's like weird.

Caesar:

Like it's real weird, like combinations of things.

Caesar:

Like I saw this one picture of this gal she's dressed like a fried egg, but she's wearing the mask of Benedict Cumberbatch.

Caesar:

And so she's.

Caesar:

You know what I mean?

Caesar:

Like, you know, it's like that kind of stuff that you see a lot,

Heath:

right?

Heath:

The ones that always giving her, like the ones where it looks like the it's your head, but you're writing like an ostrich.

Heath:

And so your feet are in the Austrian.

Heath:

Yeah.

Heath:

Like the little baby

Caesar:

riding, I've seen people dressed up as like, like they're French, you know, they'll Stripe shirts and little thin mustaches, but then they have kiss makeup on and Berets and they're called French kiss.

Caesar:

And there's only, you know, there's, there's crazy stuff out there, but I don't know.

Caesar:

I'm not as into the costume, even when people are like, we're doing, we're doing a costume contest in our party.

Caesar:

And I have some friends, man, they go nuts.

Caesar:

Yeah, people go crazy, drop crazy coin.

Caesar:

spend weeks building the costumes, you know, like I'm all for it with the kids, but yeah, I don't know.

Caesar:

I just don't

Heath:

have the time our neighbor goes crazy every year.

Heath:

I mean, thousands of she's always on the news and she's got all the lights in July every Saturday.

Heath:

You hear Tony, her husband out in the backyard, like,

Caesar:

and another house like that.

Caesar:

in Tacoma, I was just at my sister's in Chicago and she said, this guy.

Caesar:

Every season, every holiday for months, it's all decked out.

Caesar:

So that goes nuts.

Caesar:

That's kind of awesome.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

I guess it's fun.

Caesar:

You

Heath:

know,

Caesar:

hey, we wanted

Heath:

to, um, you know, right now 10 days away from Halloween, we wanted to give people about a week and a half to start getting ready for Halloween.

Heath:

Uh, because we think it is probably the best Missional holiday.

Heath:

I mean, to have neighbors coming up to your door crazy, it's amazing.

Heath:

It is right.

Heath:

And I grew up in a home that celebrated it.

Heath:

So I've come to find a lot of people that just don't in fact, a lot of religious home friends and religious homes, just don't participate,

Caesar:

they don't.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

What

Heath:

a great the holiday for mission, right?

Heath:

People coming to your house, showing up at your door.

Caesar:

Like knocking on your door.

Caesar:

I mean, people just like agonize all year long and throw up, or like, I just don't know how to meet anybody.

Caesar:

And it's like, and then people are just banging on their door.

Caesar:

Everyone's running through the streets, what?

Caesar:

To stick a ball out on a stool.

Caesar:

And maybe, you know, you don't want to mess with people.

Caesar:

Do you ever hear the Seinfeld?

Caesar:

It's old?

Caesar:

I only heard it on audio, but it's an old thing about, uh, him doing a bit about Halloween when he was a kid.

Caesar:

He's like, remember the first time you heard about her Halloween?

Caesar:

Who's who's giving out candy.

Caesar:

Everyone.

Caesar:

We knows giving out candy.

Caesar:

I gotta be a part of this.

Caesar:

How do I I'll wear that?

Heath:

I always loved, we would have little like.

Heath:

Secrets.

Heath:

We tell our friends that there's a lady in the neighborhood who would actually give out the actual size candy bars.

Heath:

So instead of like a little tiny

Caesar:

size that you get, there's always one or two of those generous people

Heath:

love.

Heath:

And so, you know, early on in the night, like who your true friends are, because they'll tell you like, Hey, go over to, there you go.

Heath:

Nancy's

Caesar:

house one time.

Caesar:

Remember as a kid going and I went up to this guy's house and, um, there was two stoners sitting on the porch.

Caesar:

I probably didn't know that's what they were then.

Caesar:

But like now looking back, I got, they were stoners and.

Caesar:

I remember like same thing.

Caesar:

You're kind of waiting for that big candy bar and you can tell how good the candy hitting your bag is by how heavy the funk is.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

Cause you know, like a little, one of those little crap clear bags of like fake, like Skittles and not even and real Skittles.

Caesar:

It's just like chip it's your bag.

Caesar:

But when you get like, thunked, you're like, I think that was like one of those big Milky ways or something.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

Anyway, I get this big thunk thunk in my bag and I'm like, yes.

Caesar:

And I remember the whole rest of the Halloween, like trick or treating that night.

Caesar:

I'm thinking I can't wait to get it, to see what those guys gave me.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

These two stoners it's like at home and they were two D cell batteries.

Caesar:

No, that's what they threw in my bag.

Caesar:

And then I was like, I remember thinking like, you know, when you're a kid, you're an optimist.

Caesar:

I'm thinking that's okay.

Caesar:

I got a lot of toys that use D cells.

Caesar:

They were dead.

Caesar:

Oh my God.

Caesar:

They weren't even good batteries.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

They were chucking all batteries, getting rid of their trash on Halloween, Happy Halloween.

Caesar:

Thanks.

Heath:

Well, okay.

Heath:

So my experience, I don't want to be that guy.

Heath:

Don't be that guy.

Heath:

I was raised.

Heath:

We celebrated Halloween more than candy.

Heath:

We didn't know any of the background of it, but we had a lot of friends who, who in the church were very, uh, vocal even to my parents.

Heath:

Like you are a terrible parent for letting your kids go out in Halloween.

Heath:

And it's the, it's the devil's holiday.

Heath:

Oh my

Caesar:

God.

Caesar:

I hate to admit this to you as a, as my close pal and also to our listeners, but I can remember one time standing outside of a Halloween party, not at a house.

Caesar:

It was a big public one in handing out anti Halloween tracks.

Caesar:

Wow like.

Caesar:

Like, nah, it wasn't anti, it was, it was sort of using Halloween as like this evil thing to scare people out of hell, you know, scare the hell out.

Caesar:

You know, I was just like what, that's one of those things where I'm gonna have to like apologize to Jesus face to face for doing that.

Caesar:

So, sorry.

Caesar:

Jesus.

Caesar:

And all this Christian, not anything like you.

Caesar:

I don't know why we did that.

Heath:

So it has some dark history for what I've been told.

Heath:

And I always taught that this was a holiday you're supposed to avoid.

Heath:

And I did

Caesar:

until I heard the whole, it's a pagan holiday.

Caesar:

Oh yea, you know, dressing your kids up and going out there, like participate in pagan holiday.

Caesar:

How you like about that?

Heath:

And how would you like the demons to crawl into their souls while they're out?

Caesar:

You know, I will, I don't want that.

Caesar:

I don't even want them to be eating that much sugarsure.

Caesar:

To be honest with you, but it's kind of fun, you know?

Caesar:

Um, okay.

Caesar:

So I was, I grew up in the same kind of way, so we did it as a family.

Caesar:

But there was always that sort of layer.

Caesar:

I don't know that the church I grew up in had like the crazy anti Halloween thing going on, but there was, it was definitely out there.

Caesar:

It was definitely out there.

Caesar:

And I would say that when Tina and I were raising our kids when they were young and they were doing that, it was even more so, so maybe less.

Caesar:

You know, early sixties when I was little, little, you know, um, and, uh, a little more in the eighties when I was raising my kids.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

So, but the truth is we did a little research.

Caesar:

You and I were just looking at some stuff.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

The truth about Halloween was is it long ago, there was some pagan celebrations that were going on, but like in the eighth century, the church said, Hey, Hey.

Caesar:

Let's redeem that.

Caesar:

And so they just went ahead and renamed that day, all saints day.

Caesar:

And that was a day when they would pray for the people, you know, their, their relatives that had, I don't know if they prayed for salvation or whatever, but they would just be, they would just pray for people who'd passed away.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Um, and it was the church's way of redeeming.

Caesar:

The culture.

Caesar:

So they said, Hey, we'll, we're going to have parties.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

So I loved it.

Caesar:

Cause it wasn't like let's abstain from it.

Caesar:

Let's stand up on a wooden box in the square and tell everybody you shouldn't be participating.

Caesar:

They just went ahead and renamed it.

Caesar:

And then what happened?

Caesar:

Was it all saints day?

Caesar:

That was all Hallows' Eve was the night before.

Caesar:

And then all Hallows' Eve got shortened into Halloween.

Caesar:

Huh?

Caesar:

That was long ago, by the way, the Halloween was the church's idea.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

It actually, yeah, people can go look it up and I know we're gonna get people right in and say, no, I'm going to put some links to some stuff on the history channel and they go deep into the history of Halloween.

Caesar:

Um, they go super deep into it.

Caesar:

We'll go ahead and put a link to some of that.

Caesar:

Um, but yeah, it kind of was, and it was just all these parties, but then other traditions of around the world that had similar fall festivals brought sort of the idea of like, Hey, you know, we, we can.

Caesar:

Can we get some food or like some snacks or some fruit, or, you know, a treat if we do this and if we don't do that and it wasn't until the fifties man that this whole 1950s, that the whole trick or treat thing really kicked in.

Caesar:

And that was primarily here in America, but it was all this continuation.

Caesar:

Now here's just another funny thing.

Caesar:

A lot of Christians will rail against Halloween or any kind of participation in it.

Caesar:

And, and I'm not really here to tell people like, whatever your convictions are.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

That's your convictions and you need to vote your convictions, you know, when you live out of them.

Caesar:

What's next.

Caesar:

These are going to

Heath:

tell us that that Christmas wasn't wasn't a church holiday.

Caesar:

Christmas was actually a pagan holiday was redeemed too.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Yeah, yeah.

Caesar:

Back.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Back like in the third century, there was other things going on that were sort of.

Caesar:

Pagan and the church viewed as like, Hey, that's not cool, but there again, instead of railing at it, they went ahead.

Caesar:

And they came up with their own holiday.

Caesar:

Then later they also said, oh, and that's the day we're going to celebrate Jesus' birthday because surprise, surprise to our Christian listeners.

Caesar:

Um, there is no December 25th, anywhere in the Bible.

Caesar:

Like we don't know the day that Jesus was born.

Caesar:

We just, we don't know it.

Caesar:

And so they just began to celebrate it on that day.

Caesar:

And that, that didn't even come around until something like a thousand.

Caesar:

80.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

And then it wasn't even that common that your average family would celebrate Christmas until like 300 years ago or something.

Caesar:

I mean it's, but it was a church thing.

Caesar:

So the church redeemed a pagan holiday.

Caesar:

So, so I'm telling you, you got to be fair.

Caesar:

And if you go do the research to be fair, you got to kind of either Chuck them.

Caesar:

Yep.

Caesar:

In fact, that was interesting remember in the research.

Caesar:

We saw that for years, the Puritans or anti any kind of chris- Christmas celebration.

Caesar:

Yeah, absolutely.

Caesar:

And if you were caught doing it, there was certain laws on the books.

Caesar:

You were charged five shillings, which I guess was a crap ton of money back then.

Caesar:

Uh, if you were caught celebrating christmas.

Caesar:

That's how anti the church got to the thing they created because they, they felt like it was being abused.

Caesar:

It was becoming too much about like other things.

Caesar:

Wow.

Caesar:

I love that, man.

Caesar:

So anyway, a little history there.

Caesar:

We don't normally go too deep into the history, but, you know, yeah.

Caesar:

We'll hit those links on

Heath:

there on the, on the show notes for this week.

Heath:

So I personally now having kind of grown more in my Missional identity and the incarnational impulse of Jesus.

Heath:

Um, I actually now see Halloween is perhaps.

Heath:

Actually, I would say for sure, the greatest evangelical holiday that Christians can actually participate in, you know, not yet followers of Jesus.

Caesar:

evangelistic holiday.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Sorry,

Heath:

evangelistic holidays.

Heath:

Yeah.

Heath:

Not yet.

Heath:

Followers of Jesus showing up at your door, all your neighbors in the street together.

Heath:

Everyone's in a pretty great mood.

Heath:

There'll celebrate.

Heath:

The kids are happy.

Caesar:

Anything that gets a grown adults, dressing up in costumes has got to have something funny going on there.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

Absolutely.

Caesar:

Man.

Heath:

Would you agree with that?

Heath:

As far as the Missional side of it?

Caesar:

Totally do.

Caesar:

I've always thought, I mean, as soon as I became a follower of Jesus, I was like, well, there's at least one time of the year when it's easy to meet my neighbors.

Caesar:

You know what I mean?

Caesar:

But so often I think there again, there's either that distortion of like, eh, Like Halloween's bad.

Caesar:

I'd say by and large, most Christians don't think that I'm going to guess that.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Most of our listeners probably don't go like, oh, it's evil.

Caesar:

But then I do know a whole lot of other people too though, like say.

Caesar:

So what are you doing for Halloween?

Caesar:

Yeah, we just turn the lights off and we, we split.

Caesar:

I can, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to mess with them like, oh, are you kidding?

Caesar:

You got a string of people coming to your house, banging on the door in a great mood.

Caesar:

Looking to be happy.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Holy moly.

Caesar:

That's some low hanging missional fruit right there.

Caesar:

Right.

Heath:

no joke.

Heath:

And you're not even, they're not even asking for deep conversation.

Heath:

It's I mean, everyone's in a great

Caesar:

mood and I know there's I know there's these, uh, there's alternatives.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

so like.

Caesar:

Okay so like when my kids were real little I forgot about this until just now, when our kids were real little, the church that we were a part of and it was great.

Caesar:

It was, it really was a great community, but they were sort of like, ah, the Halloween thing.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

So they would put on the fall festival every year.

Caesar:

And I know a bunch of people listening right now go, our church does that great.

Caesar:

Like celebrate the harvest, celebrate God's goodness and bounty.

Caesar:

We get to that is exactly what the church was doing when they created Halloween.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

So now we forget that the church created it.

Caesar:

Yep.

Caesar:

At with a whole different idea.

Caesar:

We've jumped back over to the evil back pagan as aspect of things or whatever.

Caesar:

And, um, and now we have to create our own, so it's okay.

Caesar:

But here's what I would do want to say any time we take anything in life, be it Halloween, or if you want a boycott Christmas.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

Or if it's alcohol or if it's sports watching sports or, you know, whatever, as soon as we say, you know what the answer to that is as a Christian abstaining.

Caesar:

Um, what we're, what we're doing, we risk doing is saying that's not redeemable, that's beyond the reach of the Gospel.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

So we'll, you know how you, you know, how you deal with that, you don't deal with it.

Caesar:

That's that's so the opposite of the gospel, God came, Jesus came to deal with it.

Caesar:

He didn't like shout out from heaven.

Caesar:

Hey, you guys quit sin.

Caesar:

And by the way, I've forgiven y'all and you know, it's like he came and he dealt with it.

Caesar:

He came and he hung out and he walked with us.

Caesar:

And now he lives in us and it's just, it's an amazing incarnating of things.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

And so anytime we say, you know, the answer abstain from it.

Caesar:

No, no, no.

Caesar:

The answer is always redeem.

Caesar:

And by the way, this one was already redeemed by the church.

Caesar:

We just have to get back to some of those

Heath:

roots.

Heath:

Isn't there a scripture that says, they'll know we're Christians by what we boycott.

Heath:

I

Caesar:

think that's, that's a kind of a paraphrase.

Heath:

No, it's I love and engagement for the community and what a perfect

Caesar:

opportunity.

Caesar:

So, I mean, I don't have no problem with now.

Caesar:

I live in a neighborhood too once where it was a little scary.

Caesar:

This is just a few years ago.

Caesar:

Uh, we lived on the edge of a pretty rough neighborhood.

Caesar:

I know that neighborhood doing some mission.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

I won't call it out.

Caesar:

Cause I don't want to shame any neighborhoods in Tacoma, but.

Caesar:

Um, it was a little scary to send kids door to door.

Caesar:

So, you know what I mean?

Caesar:

There just was a lot of drug houses and stuff going down and, you know, just a lot of danger.

Caesar:

So th there, there would be organized either by churches or civic duties, trunk or treat, trunk, or treat.

Caesar:

You know, we're like a whole everyone brings up their trunk and you kind of circle up the wagons of your cars in a parking lot somewhere, and you open up your trunks and they were decorated and there was lights going in music and there was, and then the kids come and because they're having fun, they're dressing up, you know what I mean?

Caesar:

It's sure.

Caesar:

And by the way, too, you know, like, Does everybody have to dress up as the sexy something, you know, the sexy nurse, you know, you're not going to do that again.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Last time I'm bringing it up.

Heath:

No, I get that.

Heath:

It's such a sec.

Heath:

Like I'm like, you should not be wearing that lady.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Or your kids anyway.

Caesar:

So have fun dress up, you know, there's lots of movie characters, whatever, you know, I think, I think my grandson is going to dress up as.

Caesar:

A little fireman this year whose dads, his dad is applying to become a fireman right now.

Caesar:

We're believing in faith that's happening real soon.

Caesar:

So I think a little pat is going to be a fireman.

Caesar:

That'd be cute.

Caesar:

oh my gosh.

Caesar:

So anyway, I have no problem with that.

Caesar:

That's a cultural thing saying, Hey, we want to still celebrate.

Caesar:

Trick-or-treat have some fun with the kids in Halloween, but let's go ahead and do it in a safe way.

Caesar:

Just like if, I guess if your house, you know, like you lived on a highway, you know what I mean?

Caesar:

When, when I was living in manhattan.

Caesar:

Oh, Halloween is a big deal there in the, on the Halloween parade, by the way, it was like a freak show.

Caesar:

It was just, it was phenomenal.

Caesar:

Like you couldn't even like how much money in years did they put into this stuff?

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

But there was one block, couple blocks we lived, we lived on 75th, 60 and 69th, west 69th.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

There was a block that Halloween was their jam.

Caesar:

And a lot of the people living on the block were involved in Broadway and productions and set building and acting and all that.

Caesar:

When you walk down this block, it was like you were on a Halloween movie set.

Caesar:

Oh, cool.

Caesar:

It was lit and there was stuff hanging out of the trees and lighting and skeleton.

Caesar:

They had a zip line man from like a third or fourth floor apartment over to a tree, like half, you know, like a few houses down and like monkeys and stuff, doing the Halloween thing, like sliding in with monkeys and monkey wings.

Caesar:

And it was, oh my gosh, they opened up the whole building and the kids could come in and go door to door.

Caesar:

Up through 10, 12 apartments and they come into the apartments and they were all different themed and it was man.

Caesar:

It was a blast.

Caesar:

That's awesome.

Caesar:

I'm so jealous.

Caesar:

Cause I couldn't get in, you know, I didn't have a costume on that.

Caesar:

I want to go back.

Caesar:

I want to go there.

Caesar:

They do it every year, man.

Caesar:

They do it every year.

Caesar:

It's phenomenal.

Caesar:

Anyway, so I, I think, I think it's okay to be safe with it.

Caesar:

I think it's smart to be smart with it.

Caesar:

Um, be careful with your kids do stuff that's age appropriate for them, but I think we're in pretty good.

Caesar:

Shape by not abstaining from it.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Just say that.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

And like you said earlier, I think in fact it's the opposite.

Caesar:

I think we get to redeem all of culture in all of life and Halloween.

Caesar:

When, when people are lining up to come knock at your door, Awesome man.

Caesar:

Is it a time to be like treat people wonderfully and I'm going to give a whole bunch of ideas for here in just a second, so.

Heath:

Yeah.

Heath:

You know, uh, one idea that we had, I was at a church in Tennessee and we had just fallen in love with, uh, kind of trying to move into it like an incarnational church and the trunk or treat was the biggest event we did all year.

Heath:

I mean, tens of thousands of dollars, more attendees than anything we've ever done.

Heath:

And they decided one year to cancel it.

Heath:

And what they did was they gave every Missional Community.

Heath:

The chunk of money, like a thousand bucks, 1500 bucks and said, whoa, they said, why don't you, we're going to pay for bounce houses at all of your houses.

Heath:

And we're going to, and we're going to give you a budget for food and drinks, and you're going to throw a massive movement in your driveway.

Heath:

So rather than making it about one church now you've got in this town of 50,000 people, you got 30

Caesar:

houses.

Caesar:

what if churches took, they're like summer, what do they call the summer thing when everybody comes during the summer break?

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

What if they took the VBS budgets and said, you know what, this year we're going to divvy it up and we're going to let out all of our people throw.

Caesar:

Just fun, amazing Halloween things going on at their houses, in their neighborhoods, so that we just have this amazing generosity of presence.

Heath:

Well, that's what happened is everyone would sit down and he'd have big bowls of chili and beer, and the neighbors are getting to meet each other and the kids are jumping together and then they go back out.

Heath:

But it was just a cool way of, uh, of breaking it up

Caesar:

from drawing everyone to one - Ive got a good friend of , mine, he's a pastor young guy, some great fam, great family, great kids, uh, in, in Norway and Norway in, in, in, in lots of Europe, this whole trick or treating thing is.

Caesar:

Huh, it's just brand new.

Caesar:

They don't understand it.

Caesar:

It's kind of the, you know, the church is still way in the back.

Caesar:

They're mostly against it.

Caesar:

He was like, are you kidding me, man?

Caesar:

Me and my wife, we decided like year after year, we're going to become famous for how awesome the stuff we hand out is and how fun it is to stop by for the parents too.

Caesar:

That's cool.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

And they are, I'm so proud of them because almost nobody even does it, but our house, everybody knows.

Caesar:

And so we're were like, we win right now.

Caesar:

The kids

Heath:

love that.

Heath:

I love that.

Heath:

Okay.

Heath:

So you just said a few minutes ago that you had some ideas on how we can be more intentional.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Let me, let me jam through a bunch of ideas.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

So, um, here's first thing, super obvious be home.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Be home on Halloween.

Caesar:

We moved last year to this house and I was booked speaking training out of town.

Caesar:

It killed me.

Caesar:

Cause I know this neighborhood is just all family and kids and they throw a party here at the drop of a hat, anything, our neighborhood parties and, and they set up stuff, man, right.

Caesar:

bouncy house and we weren't here.

Caesar:

And I was like, whatever, be home.

Caesar:

Don't be that house again this year.

Caesar:

You know that house, you know, how often do people line up at your house to meet you?

Caesar:

Prioritize this occasion.

Caesar:

If you feel like you're Missional prioritize this year, I purposely was like, Tina, we're not booking anything.

Caesar:

And we've had some things come up or Nope, not Halloween.

Caesar:

Nope.

Caesar:

I'm not going anywhere.

Caesar:

We're not doing that.

Caesar:

We're not taking, that's a great deal on a cruise or whether, you know, I'm not doing it, prioritize it and plan to be home.

Caesar:

Don't make excuses.

Caesar:

Or if your kids are already grown.

Caesar:

W w a lot of the stuff we've learned to do and I'm sharing right here is all been post when my kids were little cause like, cause we're just, we want to be it, right.

Caesar:

This is once a year, make the most of the opportunity to be home.

Caesar:

That's cool.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Second turn on your lights.

Caesar:

Yeah, I know it seems real basic.

Caesar:

It says we're home.

Caesar:

We're here and we're open for business, right.

Caesar:

Even though Halloween has this tradition of being scary, you know, and everything, um, make your house seem super inviting, turn on lots of lights outside inside now, I guess, unless your jam is, you know, like those people that they spook it up and they like the guy sit in the rocking chair on the porch, but it's the dad, you know, that's fun too, you know?

Caesar:

So then maybe you need some darkness, but otherwise, you know, turn on your lights, prop your door.

Caesar:

Yeah, better yet.

Caesar:

Sit out front and greet people.

Caesar:

Don't make them ring the doorbell and wait and wait and wait and wonder if you're home and then you kind of show up.

Caesar:

Oh yeah, hold on.

Caesar:

And you grab the bowl, like, like you're doing it out of obligation.

Caesar:

Like just turn on the lights and be welcoming.

Caesar:

Yeah, there you go.

Caesar:

Basics.

Caesar:

Um, how about this?

Caesar:

Ask everyone their name and tell them yours too.

Caesar:

So basic "trick or treat", it's like, hi, what's your name?

Caesar:

I'm Caesar, you know, just basic stuff.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

I mean, seriously, when someone you don't know, comes to your house and you ask them your name and where they live, you introduce yourself.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

Normally like, think about any other opportunity where a neighbor showed up.

Caesar:

Um, get out outta here as soon as you possibly can here.

Caesar:

Take this candy, go take this D cell.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Your battery.

Caesar:

No, just so do normal stuff.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Hey, what's your name?

Caesar:

What do you guys live around here?

Caesar:

And you'll find out some people do.

Caesar:

And sometimes if you live in a great neighborhood, no, but we come here because the Candy's better.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Heath:

I remember last year, this little three-year-old in a princess outfit showed up to the door and I said, you are the most beautiful princess I've ever seen.

Heath:

And she said, I'm beautiful.

Heath:

And she got this giant smile.

Heath:

And her parents were like, what

Caesar:

a cool guy you are thinking about this, ask someone their name, where they live, introduce yourself.

Caesar:

We learn that in kindergarten.

Caesar:

It shouldn't be that tough.

Caesar:

So don't crack the door, toss a piece of candy out towards their bag, right?

Caesar:

Discipleship in mission moves at the speed of relationship.

Caesar:

So who knows this could be the start of a new friendship with that family.

Caesar:

Dress like the Munsters, you know what I mean?

Caesar:

We don't know.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

We don't know.

Caesar:

I know I've met some people through this, like became part of all the stuff that was going on in the neighborhood.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Um, next one, give out good stuff.

Caesar:

Be that house in the folks that everyone looks forward to.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

You know, like what's the difference between just crap candy and awesome candy your talkinga few bucks difference.

Caesar:

Right?

Caesar:

I mean, save up for if you need you.

Caesar:

I mean, I know a lot of people have tight budgets.

Caesar:

I'm not, you know, right.

Caesar:

So, but if you're prioritizing, Hey, we're going to be home and we're going to rock it this year.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Well, I don't, you know, save up a little yeah, absolutely.

Caesar:

Buck away a bit, you know, every week or something, you know, I, you know, I still, like I said, remember which houses gave out the full size Snickers when I was a kid, you know, you just kind of get them locked in, like you were saying, right.

Caesar:

Which ones to avoid, because they were weird.

Caesar:

And you know, they'd hand out either those hard orange circus peanuts, you know, those things are like doorstop.

Caesar:

Stepdad's favorite, but they're awful.

Caesar:

People are gonna write in.

Caesar:

I love those.

Caesar:

They're horrible.

Caesar:

Terrible.

Caesar:

Just be generous.

Caesar:

Be like Jesus, who brought the best wine to the party that the wine stood at every.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

There's our model.

Caesar:

Thanks.

Caesar:

Thanks.

Caesar:

Thanks to you.

Caesar:

That's awesome.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Fifth offer a warm drink and a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

Caesar:

I, this one I learned dragging kids around for hours.

Caesar:

You know, it was just like, holy cow, like you're in the wagon and all the little ones I'm pulling you.

Caesar:

So depending on where you live, it's often colder around the end October, right?

Caesar:

Not everywhere, but a lot of places set up a table out front with a few chairs offer hot chocolate.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Ask people, if they want to take a load off for a few minutes, while their kids finish up the block, you know, they're trying to pay attention here.

Caesar:

We'll sit right out here.

Caesar:

We can see them.

Caesar:

Hey, kids just do the houses over there, whatever they feel comfortable.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

And this'll let people know that you're open to relationship and not in a hurry to just move them along.

Caesar:

You know, maybe even a little party we'll break up or here's another idea.

Caesar:

Throw an after party for parents only.

Caesar:

One of the coolest things we ever did was we made little flyers and we handed them out, inviting people in our neighborhood to come around after trick or treating was over for like an adult beverage and some real appetizers.

Caesar:

Oh, that's cool.

Caesar:

And we said, the flyer just said, why should kids have all the fun that, that was, that was.

Caesar:

I mean, it was horrible.

Caesar:

I just made it up in, you know, in a word document and just, but, and then we hand out the flyers earlier the week and also to folks that came to the door for trick-or-treat.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Like we said, Hey, are you having fun?

Caesar:

And they're like, yeah.

Caesar:

And you know, he's telling like, we're freezing out, but you know, the kids are having fun.

Caesar:

You're like, well, we're having a little party afterwards.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

I'm not telling kidding ya how many people came.

Caesar:

That is so awesome.

Caesar:

So the kids are home, like getting full on sugar high and we feed yeah, absolutely enough.

Caesar:

So that's, that was one of the coolest that we had a blast and we took things further towards lasting relationships with several people.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Um, now here's another one.

Caesar:

Um, organize a neighborhood Halloween party.

Caesar:

Oh cool.

Caesar:

Like this one's like a may be for the more bold people out there.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

But it's a great idea.

Caesar:

Let me, let me a little story here.

Caesar:

A few years ago, my buddy Chuck was, uh, told me this.

Caesar:

I think he's still doing it.

Caesar:

Um, he started this cool annual Halloween tradition in his neighborhood.

Caesar:

He went around, handing out flyers, announcing they called it treats in the street Halloween parade.

Caesar:

That is great.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

And he was organizing it for the kids and the parents who lived around his home and everyone met, uh, his place at five 15.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

So right after work and they marched around the neighborhood up one block and down the other end folks.

Caesar:

Like everybody, you know, everybody cause the kids all met there.

Caesar:

Sure.

Caesar:

And then the kids paraded and the parents were back home and cheering their heads off.

Caesar:

So the whole neighborhood was just cheering for them.

Caesar:

So, uh, it was awesome.

Caesar:

And then they would end up back at Chuck's house where he had a big fire pit blazon and gallons of chili and a jump house and all that stuff.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

And this man, I don't have time today, but this led to lots of discipleship and lots of relationships and lots of trust.

Caesar:

And it was one of those things because he did it.

Caesar:

And even called it the annual treats in the street, Halloween parade, people look forward to, Hey, you doing the parade this year?

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

My kids love the parade, you know, I am.

Caesar:

So I'm not saying everybody's going to do this, but there's an idea, right?

Caesar:

How cool is that?

Caesar:

That is a super cool one.

Caesar:

Now here's a bonus tip.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Involve your kids in all of this with you.

Caesar:

Not just, you know, um, duh, right.

Caesar:

They don't have to just be out trick or treating the entire time.

Caesar:

Hmm.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Our own kids always had a blast hand out treats.

Caesar:

And they, they usually knew more of the kids and the families that came calling than we did.

Caesar:

So we would let them do that.

Caesar:

And they actually loved it.

Caesar:

Let me hand out the candy.

Caesar:

He's like, great.

Caesar:

Here's what we're going to do, honey.

Caesar:

Ask them their name.

Caesar:

Tell them your nam.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

And then you can even introduce this as my dad Caesar, you know, like it's a, it's a super opportunity to train up your kids a bit and get them involved.

Caesar:

Plus kids to kids, man.

Caesar:

It's

Heath:

warm.

Heath:

Right?

Heath:

Well, yeah.

Heath:

And it bridges that gap too.

Heath:

There was a few times last year where London, my oldest was like, Hey, that's Connor from the soccer team.

Heath:

And then I was like, oh, he must be Connor's parents.

Heath:

Hey, I'm leaving.

Heath:

Yeah.

Heath:

Being, I've always seen you around in soccer.

Heath:

Yep.

Heath:

I didn't know

Caesar:

you lived near us

Caesar:

you, so talk about a way to train your kids in hospitality and intention.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

So let them know why you're doing it and that you're hoping them building relationships.

Caesar:

And like, do you want to be friends with these people?

Caesar:

And maybe someday we'll get to Disciple them to walk in the ways of Jesus too.

Caesar:

But right now we just want me to have fun tonight, you know, feel good about this.

Caesar:

So, so there's a bunch, there's a bunch of tips for folks.

Caesar:

And, uh, there we go.

Caesar:

That that mean come up with your own ideas, use a bunch of those.

Caesar:

Hopefully that was

Heath:

a spark plug to something.

Heath:

And I'm like, yeah, it's got to feel a

Caesar:

little bit of eneregy.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Now we want to leave you with the big three takeaways from today's topic.

Caesar:

If nothing else, you don't want to miss these three ideas.

Caesar:

And by the way, you can always get a printable PDF of this week's big three as a free download by going to Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash big three.

Heath:

Caesar, what would you say the big three are for this week?

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

The first one is God redeems lives and culture.

Caesar:

So we don't need to fear, generous, loving, participation in cultural events in ways that show others what he's really like.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

And this isn't just true of Halloween.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

So God's going to bring people, sovereignly, bring people to your doorstep during this upcoming fall celebration.

Caesar:

So what divine appointments may be waiting for you on the other side of your front door?

Caesar:

This is truly being in the world, but not of it opportunity just right there.

Caesar:

So, yep,

Caesar:

absolutely man.

Caesar:

Okay.

Heath:

All right.

Heath:

Number two,

Caesar:

number two, every person who knocks on your door and hollers trick or treat are image bearers.

Caesar:

Created in the image of God.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

Let that shape your heart toward every one of them.

Caesar:

Yeah.

Caesar:

They don't shut the lights off.

Caesar:

Right.

Caesar:

When I talked about, you know, these people are all in need of love and warmth, and God wants to give it to them.

Caesar:

And he wants to use you to do that.

Caesar:

They've done nothing to earn this from you just in the same way we did not earn God's love and forgiveness.

Caesar:

It's about.

Caesar:

So, what does grace look like and sound like to your neighbors as you hand out candy or hot drinks on your porch?

Caesar:

This Halloween.

Caesar:

All right, man.

Caesar:

Great question to be asking there.

Caesar:

Let's go to number three.

Caesar:

All

Caesar:

right.

Caesar:

Be as generous and fun as you can.

Caesar:

This Halloween, right?

Caesar:

What's one new fun, generous tradition that you can start doing.

Caesar:

And then start adding to it.

Caesar:

Maybe it's one of the seven things we shared in the podcast today.

Caesar:

Maybe it's something else, but make this Halloween a meaningful and intentional experience toward relationship building in your neighborhood.

Caesar:

Your kids are gonna love it too, by the way.

Caesar:

So any new traditions you build there, they're all in, get your kids involved and let them know why you're doing the things you're doing for your neighbors and all the follow-up that you plan to do.

Caesar:

And again, I just wanna remind you, you can download the big three to get the ultimate guide to Halloween.

Caesar:

Where we kind of recap all kinds of stuff and what was said here and, and give you a whole bunch of other stuff too.

Caesar:

Okay.

Caesar:

So it really is the ultimate guide to Halloween on mission.

Caesar:

There's so much and way more than we'd ever have time for.

Caesar:

So don't be the old curmudgeon in this all alone.

Caesar:

All right.

Caesar:

Good stuff.

Caesar:

I love hearing Heath there, I miss him being on the show every day.

Caesar:

But we do hear him, he still is the announcer for things and he and I are still pals.

Caesar:

I will be adding the link to the ultimate guide to Halloween on mission for free.

Caesar:

It will be in the show notes for this podcast.

Caesar:

I also put that link in the big three download for this episode.

Caesar:

So again, if you want to go to Everyday Disciple dot com forward slash big three, download that big three for this episode and you'll get that link plus the big three.

Caesar:

All right.

Caesar:

So please join me next week, Tina and I will be together going through this amazing journey.

Caesar:

As we prepared this to share with you, we were a little bit blown away by God's provision and how he's led us on such a unique and crazy journey that has equaled one life of ministry and work and business and entrepreneurship all together as a family.

Caesar:

I think you're going to love that there'll be a real encouragement to a lot of people who are either wanting a lot more freedom in their life or experiencing change with their church and their vocations and all of that.

Caesar:

So I hope you'll join us for that.

Caesar:

I'll talk to you soon.

Heath:

Thanks for joining us today.

Heath:

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