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167. How to Slow Down to Make More Money and Spend Time Doing What You Want with Joe Sanok the Author of “Thursday is The New Friday”
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Joe Sanok is the guest on Episode 167 of "The Beyond Adversity Podcast" with Dr. Brad Miller. Joe Sanok is the author of the book "Thursday is the New Friday." Published by HarperCollins in October 2021. He is a keynote and TEDx speaker and a business consultant, and host of a podcast. Joe is also a PsychCentral contributor published in the Huffington Post, Forbes, GOOD Magazine, Reader's Digest, Entrepreneur on Fire, and Yahoo News. Joe Sanok assists private practitioners in developing novel strategies for starting, growing, and scaling a private practice. Joe is also the founder of Podcast Launch School, a nine-month program that teaches budding podcasters to get incredible guests and monetize their show. He provides one-on-one consulting, Mastermind Groups, and other services to help businesses start, grow, and scale. In this episode, Joe Sanok shares some ideas about slowing down to gain more time and productivity. Joe discusses his previous position as a college counselor at a community college. He also maintained a side counseling practice and a developing podcast. However, Joe's fortunes changed when his eldest daughter required open-heart surgery. Joe was diagnosed with thyroid cancer shortly after his daughter was successfully healed and given the "all clear." Joe required radioactive iodine treatment to address his cancer following thyroid removal. He is currently more than ten years cancer-free. In 2012, with the death of Joe's grandmother and the diagnosis of his best friend's wife with cancer, he reconsidered his professional decision. It was difficult to give a breakdown of his profession because he adored it. It was not your standard corporate job, which employees despise. To accomplish our best job for the world, Joe believes that we must slow down and recognize when we are burned out or maxed out. That is never when we have good ideas or are most creative. Often, it's as though we're in the shower and have a brilliant idea. We're on a trek, or a long drive, or praying or meditating. That is when our best ideas occur. And so, starting with the big picture, we need to slow down even more than we have in this hustling culture. For many people, meditation is a significant part of their lives. It may include prayer or reading and ensuring that they are putting good nourishment into their bodies. Joe is always drinking some green smoothie, making him feel better—sleeping between eight and nine hours per night. When we start from the beginning, it's those fundamental elements that unlock your brain and enable you to do the finest work you're supposed to do in the world. When someone has a spiritual perspective of anything more significant than themselves, that will allow you to realize just how you can make an impact in the world and that there's plenty in the world that you have no control over. Being able to think beyond yourself and say, "You know, things are unfolding in the universe that is beyond your control," regardless of whether you believe in a deity or spiritual being, or whatever your belief system is. There is something outside of you that you have no control over. Let go of the expectations, of the clutching to how the world is supposed to develop, or else you'll going to be unhappy. And it will just serve to make you sad all the time because you have your one vision of the universe, and there is no way that version will unfold in the manner in which you believe it will. Often, we live in a town where there aren't many people who think like podcasters or entrepreneurs, and building and cultivating that network of individuals who will impact our lives is critical. Thus, by not being stressed out and not being pressed for time, Joe can actively call friends and check in with people who are doing fascinating things in the world. And he's not doing this to pick that person's brain for business purposes; he's doing it to learn how they're doing. The Beyond Adversity Podcast Episode 167 is a must-listen for everyone who feels pressed for time due to the amount of work needed. This episode reminds listeners how critical it is to slow down, especially in a fast-paced world where impatience is typical, and waiting is no longer regarded as a virtue. "The Beyond Adversity Podcast with Dr. Brad Miller is published weekly with the mission of helping people "Grow Through What They Go Through" as they navigate adversity and discover their promised life of peace, prosperity, and purpose. http://www.joesanok.com/ http://www.thursdayisthenewfriday.com/ Youtube: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-sanok-8b140023/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/practiceofthepractice/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/OfThePractice  

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Dr. Brad Miller:

on episode number 167 of the beyond add diversity podcast with Dr. Brad Miller.

Dr. Brad Miller:

We talk about how to work fewer hours, make more money,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and spend time doing what you want in life with Joe Sanok.

Dr. Brad Miller:

The author of Thursday is the new Friday.

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They see this glimpse into a new method of using the neuroscience

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to get more done and to feel less stressed in the process.

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to inform how we do our regular everyday work

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helping you to overcome overwhelm and be more productive.

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Welcome to the beyond adversity podcast with Dr. Brad Miller,

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the show dedicated to helping you crush adversity and succeed in life.

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Brad believes you deserve a life that is fulfilling and impactful.

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And this show is designed to help you navigate beyond adversity

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and achieve your life of peace, prosperity and purpose.

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Now here's Dr. Brad.

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Hello, good people.

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And welcome to the beyond adversity podcast with Dr. Brad Miller.

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So good to have you with me today.

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This is episode number 167 of the podcast

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Let me ask you something.

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Were you influenced at all by Tim Ferriss?

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his book of several years ago,

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the four-hour workweek, I know that I was.

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And yet there's still a little bit lacking in that

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and how to implement that

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Tim gives us a lot of great clues in his teachings and his writing,

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and his podcast and his blog.

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But it's time we get an update on that process

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and learn how we can add more time,

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be more accomplished in our life,

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make more money, and spend time with the people who are meaningful to us.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That's the emphasis of our great guest author here today.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Joe Sanok is the author of Thursday is the new Friday,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and he is going to be talking to us today

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we're going to learn some things

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we're going to learn and come to know how to slow down to gain more time and productivity.

Dr. Brad Miller:

By the time we're through with our interview,

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we're going to feel the influence a major adversity with his daughter

Dr. Brad Miller:

and with his own health, which influenced his desire,

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his burning desire to transform his life from a 40 hour nine to five work day

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to a new life where he is able to have his own work schedule,

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dedicate more of his precious time to his daughter,

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his family and pursuing the things that he wants to do.

Dr. Brad Miller:

If you come back after the interview to my comments,

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we'll learn what to do about it,

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how you could implement some of these great processes.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That we have in our conversation today.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But Joe Sanok he blogs at Joe sanok.com.

Dr. Brad Miller:

That's Jo JOE. So again, ok.com.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And there's some information there about his book,

Dr. Brad Miller:

Thursday is the new Friday.

Dr. Brad Miller:

You're going to love this interview.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So, let's get into our conversation with Joe Sanok.

Dr. Brad Miller:

The author of Thursday is the new Friday, right now.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Our guest here on beyond adversity with Dr. Brad Miller

Dr. Brad Miller:

is the author of the new book Thursday being the new Friday

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where he talks about how you can work fewer hours,

Dr. Brad Miller:

make more money and spend more time doing what you want.

Dr. Brad Miller:

He is from the practice of the practice where he generates innovative,

Dr. Brad Miller:

innovative ideas to help people in the counseling profession

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to grow and scale their private practice

Dr. Brad Miller:

our guest here today, Joe Sanok.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Welcome to Beyond adversity. Joe.

Joe Sanok:

Thank you so much for having me here today.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Awesome. Awesome.

Dr. Brad Miller:

It is great to have you here.

Dr. Brad Miller:

You're the author of several books,

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and you've got a new book coming out

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called Thursday is a new Friday.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And we will get into all that

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in the process of our conversation here today.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But what we're about here is helping people

Dr. Brad Miller:

find ways to overcome adversity to achieve peace,

Dr. Brad Miller:

prosperity and purpose are what we like to say.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And Joe, tell us a bit of time

Dr. Brad Miller:

where you maybe you face some adversity,

Dr. Brad Miller:

which may be insightful to some of the decisions you've made

Dr. Brad Miller:

that led to this book.

Joe Sanok:

Yeah, so in 2012, I was working full time

Joe Sanok:

at a community college as a college counselor,

Joe Sanok:

I also had my side gig counseling practice

Joe Sanok:

and a growing podcast at the time.

Joe Sanok:

So pretty busy life. But my oldest daughter

Joe Sanok:

right before her first birthday needed to have open heart surgery.

Joe Sanok:

And so that first year of life,

Joe Sanok:

she was having these breast milk milkshakes were

Joe Sanok:

you know, we'd be putting formula with the breast milk

Joe Sanok:

to try to get her up to weight

Joe Sanok:

and all these different things.

Joe Sanok:

And then, right before her first birthday,

Joe Sanok:

she had this open-heart surgery.

Joe Sanok:

So, this little kid, all bloated and big,

Joe Sanok:

and just, you know, we're at University of Michigan,

Joe Sanok:

the Ronald McDonald House and

Joe Sanok:

just watching your child go through just such a tough first year of life.

Joe Sanok:

And then, you know, fast forward six to eight weeks,

Joe Sanok:

and we get the all clear from,

Joe Sanok:

from our daughter, she's good.

Joe Sanok:

Right now, she has no limitations,

Joe Sanok:

or heart issues, you know, as now a 10-year-old, are not there.

Joe Sanok:

She has annual checkups.

Joe Sanok:

But right after we got the all clear,

Joe Sanok:

I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

Joe Sanok:

So, we thought we were about to leave this medical world

Joe Sanok:

just say goodbye, our daughter's healthy.

Joe Sanok:

Move on, I'm diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

Joe Sanok:

So, we go back into the medical institution,

Joe Sanok:

I have radioactive iodine treatment,

Joe Sanok:

get my thyroid out, you know,

Joe Sanok:

now I'm more than almost 10 years post cancer.

Joe Sanok:

So beyond, you know, where they worry about it.

Joe Sanok:

But in 2012, that that made me rethink a number of things.

Joe Sanok:

My grandma died that year,

Joe Sanok:

my best friend's wife had breast cancer,

Joe Sanok:

or those two kinds of things within my family.

Joe Sanok:

And I started to evaluate my work at the community college.

Joe Sanok:

And it was harder, because I loved the work there,

Joe Sanok:

I had so much autonomy, my boss was amazing.

Joe Sanok:

It wasn't one of those situations where I had this terrible corporate job

Joe Sanok:

that I just wanted to leave.

Joe Sanok:

And it was something I loved,

Joe Sanok:

I absolutely loved the job.

Joe Sanok:

And I recognize that working the 40 hours

Joe Sanok:

plus, the counseling plus the podcasting was not going to be sustainable for me.

Joe Sanok:

And so that's where I started to really implement some of the things

Joe Sanok:

that I talked about in the book, so that by 2015,

Joe Sanok:

I could exit that job and work full time for myself.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that is awesome. I didn't know Joe,

Dr. Brad Miller:

you and I have something to come that way

Dr. Brad Miller:

my I had an infant daughter, who spent six, eight weeks

Dr. Brad Miller:

and neonatal intensive care,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and that that was probably one of the worst times of my life.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And that daughter is now 35 years old,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and now has now I have two granddaughters from her.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But I can relate that nothing's been more terrifying my life

Dr. Brad Miller:

than those six weeks when she was in intensive care.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So that that helps you reevaluate,

Dr. Brad Miller:

be reevaluate everything.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So now you've taken this experience you have had,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and you've put it in your books and in your teaching,

Dr. Brad Miller:

and your process of helping counselors and other folks in the therapy profession,

Dr. Brad Miller:

to change their lives to be a little more manageable as well.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And that's part of what your book is here about.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But I'd like to hear is, through your own life.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And through what you teach in your books.

Dr. Brad Miller:

What are some action points that you teach?

Dr. Brad Miller:

Or maybe you've gone through,

Dr. Brad Miller:

that help people to kind of break that pattern of whatever was?

Dr. Brad Miller:

What are some things you did or that you teach?

Dr. Brad Miller:

People can do what extra points?

Dr. Brad Miller:

Yeah, I would start big picture that, in general,

Joe Sanok:

to do our best work for the world,

Joe Sanok:

we have to slow down, that when we're burned out when we're maxed out.

Joe Sanok:

That's not when we ever good ideas,

Joe Sanok:

that's not when we're most creative.

Joe Sanok:

You know, it's often you know, we're in the shower,

Joe Sanok:

and we have a good idea.

Joe Sanok:

We're out for a hike, or we're on a long drive,

Joe Sanok:

or we're praying or meditating.

Joe Sanok:

That's when we have our best ideas.

Joe Sanok:

And so, starting with big picture, we have to slow down

Joe Sanok:

more than what we've been kind of living in this hustle culture.

Joe Sanok:

And I think in the podcasting and entrepreneurial world,

Joe Sanok:

so many people live and buy into that hustle culture

Joe Sanok:

that they just need to work that 60 hours to keep up.

Joe Sanok:

And that's just not true. The neuroscience does not support that.

Joe Sanok:

And so, what are some practical actions

Joe Sanok:

that you can take or that I take within kind of that idea?

Joe Sanok:

Well, you know, this past weekend, for example,

Joe Sanok:

I thought through what are the things that I really need for myself personally,

Joe Sanok:

or that I need for my kids in regards to how best to live the weekend

Joe Sanok:

and so, figuring out, okay, I wanted to go for a hike with a friend of mine

Joe Sanok:

and go to the beach and then enjoy some time,

Joe Sanok:

instead of just getting through the to do list on the weekend

Joe Sanok:

and burning myself out so that on Monday morning,

Joe Sanok:

I'm just as stressed as I was when I exited the week.

Joe Sanok:

No, I want to be able to recuperate over the weekend

Joe Sanok:

so that I can do my best work moving forward on a daily basis.

Joe Sanok:

For me, meditation is a big thing for a lot of people

Joe Sanok:

that could be prayer or reading as well you know,

Joe Sanok:

making sure that I'm putting good fuel into my body.

Joe Sanok:

So, most days I'm having some sort of green smoothie

Joe Sanok:

that just helps me feel better.

Joe Sanok:

Getting eight to nine hours of sleep every night.

Joe Sanok:

Those basic things when we start lowdown

Joe Sanok:

that then unlocks your brain to be able to do the best work that you're called to do

Joe Sanok:

in the world?

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that you just touched on a couple things

Dr. Brad Miller:

I wanted to mention to you.

Dr. Brad Miller:

One of them was how do you connect with something

Dr. Brad Miller:

greater than yourself a higher power meditation

Dr. Brad Miller:

and things like that You certainly see how I speak

Dr. Brad Miller:

to how that is integrated into a process of helping one to, to change their life.

Joe Sanok:

Yeah, I think when someone has a spiritual perspective

Joe Sanok:

of anything bigger than themselves,

Joe Sanok:

that's going to allow you to realize

Joe Sanok:

just how you can make an impact in the world,

Joe Sanok:

but also, that there's plenty in the world that you have absolutely no control over.

Joe Sanok:

And so even just recently,

Joe Sanok:

I've been diving into a lot of Michael singers work,

Joe Sanok:

he talks about how, you know,

Joe Sanok:

traffic and weather are two great ways to practice letting go of things,

Joe Sanok:

because we have absolutely no control over the weather.

Joe Sanok:

So, say you're going camping on the weekend,

Joe Sanok:

and then it's raining, there's nothing you did or could have prevented that from raining.

Joe Sanok:

And so, it's your own mindset,

Joe Sanok:

it's your own suffering that you're creating for yourself

Joe Sanok:

in those situations of your expectations of what you how you wanted the world to look.

Joe Sanok:

The same with traffic, how narcissistic is it that we think that everyone needs to drive

Joe Sanok:

how we want them to drive.

Joe Sanok:

And so, by being able to think outside of yourself,

Joe Sanok:

and say, you know, things are unfolding in the world that are outside of my control,

Joe Sanok:

whether or not you believe that that's a deity or spiritual,

Joe Sanok:

or wherever your belief system is, either way,

Joe Sanok:

there's something outside of you that you have no control over.

Joe Sanok:

And so, letting go of that, letting go of the expectations,

Joe Sanok:

letting go of the clinging,

Joe Sanok:

of how the world is supposed to unfold,

Joe Sanok:

or I'm going to be unhappy.

Joe Sanok:

And that's just going to make you unhappy all the time,

Joe Sanok:

because you have your one version of the world

Joe Sanok:

and there's no way that that version

Joe Sanok:

is going to unfold how you think it's going to unfold.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Oh, that's, that's awesome.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Stop for just a second about the relationships,

Dr. Brad Miller:

emotional, emotional component of transformation

Dr. Brad Miller:

that takes place, particularly with people,

Dr. Brad Miller:

accountability partners, spouse, others, talk

Dr. Brad Miller:

about the power of these folks in your life to help you to be make these transitions.

Joe Sanok:

Yeah, I think about how many people that are,

Joe Sanok:

that are ahead of me that I'm able to tap into,

Joe Sanok:

just because of the relationships we have.

Joe Sanok:

Even just going to events like podcast movement to connect with,

Joe Sanok:

with folks that are doing really interesting work.

Joe Sanok:

Oftentimes, we live in our town,

Joe Sanok:

and there aren't a bunch of people that are thinking like podcasters,

Joe Sanok:

and thinking like entrepreneurs and,

Joe Sanok:

and creating and cultivating that community

Joe Sanok:

of who's going to have influence on your life is really important.

Joe Sanok:

And so even keeping up those relationships for me,

Joe Sanok:

by not being stressed out all the time,

Joe Sanok:

by not being maxed out with my time,

Joe Sanok:

I then intentionally take time to call friends

Joe Sanok:

are to check in with people that are doing interesting things in the world.

Joe Sanok:

And it's not that I'm doing this so that I can pick that person's brain for business,

Joe Sanok:

it's that I want to genuinely find out how they're doing.

Joe Sanok:

And then we naturally are going to talk about what's working in our lives.

Joe Sanok:

But it's not I'm going to be friends with this person,

Joe Sanok:

because they helped me with business,

Joe Sanok:

it's, this person is going to fill in a part of my life to just help me feel better in life,

Joe Sanok:

more grounded, have more voices and perspectives.

Joe Sanok:

That then helps me make decisions

Joe Sanok:

that are more grounded rather than reactionary.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Well, that's a that's awesome,

Dr. Brad Miller:

how that's all integrated together.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And you've already mentioned some of the habits that people can do

Dr. Brad Miller:

to tweak your health habits,

Dr. Brad Miller:

your sleeping habits, those are all important components to life,

Dr. Brad Miller:

transformation, overcoming adversity.

Dr. Brad Miller:

What are people going to find in your new book here

Dr. Brad Miller:

is called Thursday is the new Friday,

Dr. Brad Miller:

you're talking about kind of attracting a 60 Hour Workweek

Dr. Brad Miller:

and to, you know, having a long weekend?

Dr. Brad Miller:

That almost sounds unreasonable in many ways.

Dr. Brad Miller:

But what are people going to find in your book?

Dr. Brad Miller:

And how is this going to help them to transform over adversity

Dr. Brad Miller:

to achieve success in their lives?

Joe Sanok:

Yeah, so the process we go through within the book

Joe Sanok:

are we start with your internal inclinations?

Joe Sanok:

And so, we start on the inside,

Joe Sanok:

because so many of these productivity books start with here's what you got to do,

Joe Sanok:

you got to set aside this time.

Joe Sanok:

And this, we don't even start with well,

Joe Sanok:

is your posture towards your work?

Joe Sanok:

Even correct? Is the way that you're thinking about the work even correct.

Joe Sanok:

Like why give the how,

Joe Sanok:

if we don't even know the why.

Joe Sanok:

So, we start internally, then we move into the slowing down,

Joe Sanok:

and why the brain research supports this slowing down

Joe Sanok:

actually, helps us do our work better.

Joe Sanok:

And then we move into the productivity.

Joe Sanok:

And so that process brings together two different types

Joe Sanok:

of books that typically are on opposite ends of the spectrum,

Joe Sanok:

we've often got the productivity books

Joe Sanok:

that are very prescriptive, here's the five steps,

Joe Sanok:

here's the seven steps, do it my way or get out.

Joe Sanok:

Where's my book is more of a menu teaching you

Joe Sanok:

how to think and experiment in a way

Joe Sanok:

that you can then adjust and change over time.

Joe Sanok:

Or on the other side, we often have these kind of woo woo books,

Joe Sanok:

put up a vision board don't do anything and expect the universe

Joe Sanok:

to hand you your new car.

Joe Sanok:

But this actually brings together

Joe Sanok:

what's the best part of the brain research of slowing down?

Joe Sanok:

and how does that actually inform our productivity

Joe Sanok:

so that you as a thinking adult,

Joe Sanok:

can actually bring things together in a different way.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Awesome.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Lots of great tools there.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So just one more thing here.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Joe, tell us about a person or situation

Dr. Brad Miller:

that has been impacted by this type of teaching

Dr. Brad Miller:

led here a testimonial good news story about how this is influenced by.

Joe Sanok:

Yeah, I remember. So, I host this event every summer

Joe Sanok:

called slowdown school.

Joe Sanok:

So, these entrepreneurs fly into northern Michigan,

Joe Sanok:

we pick them up in a big yellow school bus

Joe Sanok:

and we slowly drive them out to Lake Michigan.

Joe Sanok:

And we stay on this campus right on Lake Michigan.

Joe Sanok:

And for two days, we slow down we go for hikes.

Joe Sanok:

I bring in an executive chef who has partnerships with local farms.

Joe Sanok:

So, the salad bar is amazing.

Joe Sanok:

They know where every carrot came from.

Joe Sanok:

And then, you know, we bring in massage therapists,

Joe Sanok:

yoga teachers, and genuinely slow down for two days,

Joe Sanok:

and we just let our brains rest.

Joe Sanok:

And then on Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday morning,

Joe Sanok:

we run Full Tilt towards people's businesses.

Joe Sanok:

So, on Wednesday morning,

Joe Sanok:

after we had slowed down for a couple days,

Joe Sanok:

this guy who had come to this event twice,

Joe Sanok:

his name's Michael Glavine.

Joe Sanok:

Michael is from the Chicagoland area,

Joe Sanok:

he has a group counseling practice there,

Joe Sanok:

he does this amazing couples therapy work.

Joe Sanok:

And he had been trying to really get this work down into a book.

Joe Sanok:

And I remember the first sprint that we did,

Joe Sanok:

he went outside and decided he was going to work on

Joe Sanok:

the structure of his book for this 20-minute sprint.

Joe Sanok:

And in 20 minutes, he got done his first nine chapters outlined

Joe Sanok:

with three to five points in each chapter in this thing

Joe Sanok:

that had been just kind of hanging over his head for months,

Joe Sanok:

he got done in 20 minutes.

Joe Sanok:

And what's great about slowdown school

Joe Sanok:

and when we're implementing these ideas of slowing down

Joe Sanok:

to then speed up is it becomes a springboard into

Joe Sanok:

how these people live life back home,

Joe Sanok:

it's not like slowdown schools,

Joe Sanok:

the only place that they learn to slow down

Joe Sanok:

and then speed up is that they've gotten a glimpse into Whoa,

Joe Sanok:

I just got months of work done in 20 minutes.

Joe Sanok:

And so, for Michael, and for a lot of the participants,

Joe Sanok:

when we do slow down school together,

Joe Sanok:

they see this glimpse into a new method of using the neuroscience

Joe Sanok:

to inform how we do our regular everyday work,

Joe Sanok:

to get more done and to feel less stressed in the process.

Dr. Brad Miller:

Amazing stuff there. We appreciate all that insight you have

Dr. Brad Miller:

they the name of the book is Thursday is the new Friday,

Dr. Brad Miller:

where he helps people to work fewer hours,

Dr. Brad Miller:

make more money and spend more time doing what you want.

Dr. Brad Miller:

We heard a great testimonial about that your today,

Dr. Brad Miller:

you can find finding but practice of the practice calm.

Dr. Brad Miller:

And all the links to everything about Joe Sanok is going to be on our website,

Dr. Brad Miller:

Dr. Brad Miller calm. Thank you for being our guest today, Joe

Dr. Brad Miller:

on the beyond adversity podcast with Dr. Brad Miller.

Dr. Brad Miller:

All right, many thanks to Joe Sanok.

Dr. Brad Miller:

The author of Thursday is the is the new Friday,

Dr. Brad Miller:

our guest here today on beyond adversity with Dr. Brad Miller,

Dr. Brad Miller:

I promised you a couple of dos what you can take action

Dr. Brad Miller:

to about to do out of our conversation with Joe Sanok.

Dr. Brad Miller:

So, here's those two things, two takeaways.

Dr. Brad Miller:

One is to identify the inclinations you have in your life,

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those things would tend to draw you into a certain pattern in life,

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to identify them in order to do something about that.

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And the second thing is to slow down in order to accomplish more.

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And he gives a lot of these things. And here's your action point,

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here's your call to action here friends,

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you could go to his website, Joe sanic.com, slash experiments.

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And there's where you can find some of the processes that he uses

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to help you to slow down and to identify your inclinations.

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So, I'm going to be taking that in order to apply them to my life.

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Here on the beyond diversity podcast,

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we talked to a lot of great authors and teachers, like Joe Sanok,

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you can always go to our website, Dr. Brad miller.com,

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and find well over 160 episodes of this podcast,

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where we help people to identify the adversities that happened in their life,

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and then find the process and over to overcome them to have a life of peace,

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prosperity, and purpose. That's what brings me meaningfulness alive.

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That's what gives my life purpose.

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And we are here to serve you, the good people, they beyond adversity.

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Audience, we invite you to come back next week

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for another great guest and teaching to help you to grow

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through what you go through. So, until next time,

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friends, good people. This is Dr. Brad Miller.

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Now, go do all the good that you can.

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