Do you feel like you are truly living in freedom? Is there an ease and lightness in your head and heart about your life and relationships?  Is the idea of “freedom in Christ” just a nice sentiment... or does it have real implications for our lives today? This week on the Everyday Disciple Podcast, we talk through the idea of freedom in Christ, what true freedom is, and how one finds and sustains it. In This Episode You’ll Learn:

• What the Bible teaches about the experience of freedom.
• Is the freedom that's found in Jesus real for today, or is it an “in heaven” thing?
• Does freedom in Christ come with conditions or obligations?
• How our complacency may be dampening our experience of true freedom.

Get started here... From this episode: “Ultimate freedom comes from release. In Christ we are released from having to create and produce ultimate outcomes, free to release what others think or believe about us or about God.  Freedom from the tyranny of living like we are God...”  

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Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:01

I think the reason we do get complacent, even as believers, and we don't live like pursuing the freedom that we have in Christ, is we live in unbelief of what's really true of God and what he says is true of us and how we get to live within that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:17

which produces this best life ever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:19

We don't actually know that it's real and possible now.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:22

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:23

So we live in unbelief thinking, Oh, I guess I have to earn it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:25

Or I guess maybe going to church will get it done for me.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:27

Or maybe if I just work real hard, get the American dream or, you know, the Norwegian dream or wherever you're listening from today or whatever, and go to church, then I'll get it or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:36

And I think what's, what's going on here is we've so often.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:39

been taught a very small gospel about sin management and behavioral modification and saying a prayer and then waiting for heaven in order to experience this life of freedom with God in Christ.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:50

And that's not it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:51

Jesus said that the kingdom has come and is now.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:55

And I love the redundancy here.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:00:56

He says it is for freedom that he has set us free.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:01:10

Welcome to the Everyday Disciple Podcast, where you'll learn how to live with greater intentionality and an integrated faith that naturally fits into every area of life.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:01:18

In other words, discipleship as a lifestyle.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:01:21

This is the stuff your parents, pastors, and seminary professors probably forgot to tell you.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:01:26

And now, here's your host, Caesar Kalinowski.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:30

Hey, hey, good to be here with you again.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:33

I hope you're having a good week.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:35

We're having a good week.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:36

It's been pretty busy around here lately.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:38

I got to be honest with you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:39

Lots of things going on, lots of family stuff, holidays.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:44

Our neighborhood's been going crazy with activities for the last, I don't know, six weeks.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:48

And, uh, life in the oikos is good.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:51

I want to dive right in here today, right away, and I want to share a conversation that Heath and I recently had about freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:01:59

Yeah, freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:00

I want it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:01

You want it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:02

I think we all want it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:04

And this conversation, I think, will help you discover a few new ideas about what freedom really is and how to find it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:12

Especially in light of being Christians.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:14

Here, take a listen.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:02:16

We have politicians, vacation commercials, financial freedom, so many offers of freedom hitting us all the time.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:02:21

What, what do you think's up with that?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:23

That's a big word, freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:25

I think it appeals to us because we all want to be God in a sense.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:29

And to be free, you know, to be God would be free to choose and live in any way we want without consequence, sort of deep down in.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:37

And so, you know, I've been an entrepreneur my whole life as well as in ministry.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:40

And so, you know, you get these, there's this whole.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:02:42

Wave of people out there that like their their freedom of life would be to work from anywhere You know work from the beach the whole picture of the guy with a laptop, you know, and or free to whatever free to leave My family and start a whole new life with no consequences and I think it all comes back to that root of You know, kind of back to the garden, like, can I create an identity in a world apart from God where I manage the knowledge of good and evil right and wrong for myself?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:07

And so that's why I think at our heart and our core, freedom, even undefined, is worth fighting for.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:12

It's worth freaking out on Facebook over.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:15

It's worth changing your life to try to gain, but I think it's an illusion.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:20

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:20

Because I don't think there's real freedom found in any of that

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:22

stuff.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:22

Other than Christ.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:23

Well, and that's the paradigm, right?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:24

Because that we, we who follow Jesus and read through scripture see constantly that, that the freedom truly is given to us and because of Christ.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:33

So what does this freedom in Christ look like?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:03:36

What's it mean to actually have freedom found in Christ?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:40

I think that, uh, I think I put it this way, I think ultimate freedom comes from release.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:47

Just think about that for a second.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:49

Freedom doesn't come from gaining or controlling, which is kind of what we think, like control your time, control your income, control what others think.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:56

It comes, ultimate freedom comes from release.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:03:59

And in Christ, this is why it's a big deal in scripture, in Christ we are released from having freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:05

to create and produce ultimate outcomes for ourselves or others.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:09

Free to release what others think or believe about us.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:12

See, we're free to release that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:13

There's true freedom in that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:14

But you don't live thinking and worrying about what everybody thinks.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:17

Freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:17

How can you do that?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:18

Well, you gotta believe more rightly and right in your grill has to be what God thinks of you, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:24

Um, in Christ we're, we're free to release people.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:26

Uh, we're, we're free from the tyranny of living like we're God.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:31

and that we can actually manage the knowledge of good and evil and right and wrong for ourselves.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:36

And that's, that's the essence of sin is this idea that we can create freedom for ourselves.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:41

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:42

And in Christ, when we release this false sense of control back over to him, we are set free from that sinful unbelief and then the actions that flow from it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:50

I think that's what's.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:04:52

Really about and behind this idea of, and it's real, is freedom in Christ.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:04:58

Yeah and it seems like maybe a question that would be the next follow up for that would be Does this freedom that we have because of Christ and that we get through Christ Does it come with conditions like do we get more of it if we live a certain way or less of it if we don't do All the right things.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:05:12

Can you buy it?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:05:13

Yeah Yeah, or is this kind of a universal offer with some hidden terms and conditions like Maybe you can speak to that a little bit.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:21

Yeah, well, um, I, I think there are sort of terms and conditions, but not like a transactional sense.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:28

Like, I don't, I don't see God as a, you know, the divine vending machine, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:33

The kingdom of God, as we use that term, which is basically where God rules and reigns, So, right.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:39

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:39

That's the bear.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:40

We talked, we've, I think we've talked about before, the minimum requirements for a kingdom to exist is, is a king, and then his subjects.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:47

So wherever someone reigns and rules and people submit to that, that's a kingdom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:50

So the kingdom of God is, is, is life.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:05:53

lived within the ways that God has created things and the ways that God has created humans and and Relationship both with him and others to be and so we can choose to live outside of that either a little bit And of course, we're not very good at measuring that sure or a lot we can live outside of that But then we experience the consequences of reality.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:15

I like to call it Think about, you know, like when we live outside of this created order and the way our good God and Father has created us and Himself and relationships in the world, then we kind of are stuck with the consequences of reality And that's that which means like guess what?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:31

It's not working.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:32

That's not how this world and life really works Yeah, but here's some good news.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:36

We get to do that And God still loves us just the same, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:40

I mean, think about it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:41

We get to sort of choose to create this freedom, this life, this, you know, control, whatever, outside of God.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:48

And it doesn't work, but he loves us the same.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:52

Now, is that transactional?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:53

No, what God has said is the world works a certain way.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:56

And I am who I am.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:06:57

And I've created you in my image and for my glory.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:00

And when you live and walk in my ways, then you experience it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:03

That's what the law was all about with Israel is if you'll keep covenant with me.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:07

Like if you'll live within these promises, watch how it goes for you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:11

But if you don't, this is what you're going to experience.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:13

Cause guess what?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:14

That's, that's the consequence of reality.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:16

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:16

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:17

Exactly.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:17

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:18

But our good and our gracious father in heaven, he sent his son, Jesus, who's our brother, to set us free from that false narrative, that false sense of sovereignty and, and freedom to have an eternal and real freedom with him.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:30

So this, yeah, this is really living God's ways for God's purposes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:37

Which produces the life we were all created to have an experience and that's what's going on So it's not like you earn it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:42

It's like you live into the reality.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:44

Does that make sense?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:44

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense So which I gotta say really looks a lot like life looked in the Garden of Eden before Adam and Eve tried to create their Own freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:52

Sure.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:07:54

When you break the mold, it doesn't always work out

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:55

for you, huh?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:07:56

It doesn't work Yeah, that's the thing and and people You know, I've actually had people corner me like you don't talk enough about God's wrath I was like well, but but let's look at what is God's wrath Is God like waiting in the corner with a stick, you know gonna hit everybody or drop drop a rock on people or is God's wrath Primarily here's what happens.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:15

And you ex, you experience his wrath when you live outside of his will.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:18

Sure.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:19

Yeah, that does make a lot of sense.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:20

Then not

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:20

transactional.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:22

I mean, look at Jesus' life.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:23

I think he lived the most amazing life that a human ever lived.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:27

And it says that he, if you saw him, you saw the father that he is the glory of God.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:31

In other words, he's exactly what God's like.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:32

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:33

And he lives completely within it Now.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:35

He also didn't own anything.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:37

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:37

He wasn't married.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:38

He didn't have a lot of stuff.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:39

Didn't have a house.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:41

They weren't cars, you know, but, but right.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:43

But he had the most amazing human life ever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:47

And that there again, that's, is that our model?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:50

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:08:50

It

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:51

is.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:51

Absolutely.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:51

So why do you think we get so complacent and maybe even give up pursuing this sort of freedom on a daily basis in our lives?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:08:58

Like, if we know it's there and it's possible and it's the best real alternative for us, what keeps us from going after this at all costs?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:08

I think it's unbelief or ignorance.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:12

coupled with unbelief.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:15

Well, sometimes I can have unbelief because of fear or, uh, I want what I want or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:23

So I start to believe a false narrative.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:24

Sometimes it's like, I don't even know the truth.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:27

I mean, that's why we're called to proclaim the gospel.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:29

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:29

Meaning the good news about who God is, what he's doing in the world.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:32

And so, you know, we often talk about the four questions and I just started tipping into it right there.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:36

I think the reason we do get complacent even as believers and we don't live like pursuing the freedom that we have in Christ is we live in unbelief of what's really true of God and what he says is true of us and how we get to live within that which produces this best life ever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:54

We don't actually know that it's real and possible now.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:09:58

So we live in unbelief thinking, Oh, I guess I have to earn it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:01

Or I guess maybe going to church will get it done for me.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:03

Or maybe if I just work real hard, get the American dream or, you know, the Norwegian dream or whatever you're listening from today or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:09

Um, and, and go to church, then I'll get it or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:13

And, and, and I think what's, what's going on here is we've so often been taught a very small gospel about sin management and behavioral modification and saying a prayer and then waiting for heaven in order to experience this life of freedom with God in Christ.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:27

And that's not it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:28

Jesus said that the kingdom has come and is now.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:32

And, and I love the redundancy here.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:33

He says it is for freedom that he has set us free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:37

And that's a today thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:39

I really like, some of our listeners are probably already thinking of Galatians 5.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:43

1.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:43

I really like the way the NLT translation states it because it kind of fills it all the more.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:48

He goes, uh, it says, so Christ has truly set us free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:52

It doesn't say if you do this, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:10:54

Or partially and but it's someday when you get, you know, no, it's it's for it's done So Christ, yeah, exactly now make sure that you stay free and don't get tied up again in slavery

Heath Hollensbe: 00:11:05

So there's some action on our end too, right?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:11:08

Now make sure you don't how do you stay

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:09

free believe the truth, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:11

That's that's that I'm saying I think that it's unbelief that's behind our complacency and our lack of pursuit of of a life of freedom We get and it all starts with knowing and believing of, I think, a much bigger gospel than one of behavioral, you know, modification or waiting for some day we'll fly away kind of thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:29

Like, is heaven real?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:30

Yes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:30

Is it going to be amazing?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:31

Yes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:31

Does the Bible say it's here and God will be here?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:34

Yes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:34

Did Jesus say the kingdom had already come for those who believe?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:37

Yes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:38

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:38

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:39

So it's here and it's now, and it, it starts having a much bigger gospel.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:11:42

So, yeah.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:11:43

And you know, it reminds me of, uh, back on episode one 10 was how a bigger gospel affects all of life.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:48

Um, yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:49

Yep.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:50

And I, you know, I wanna invite people.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:51

Um, uh, I recently put together some training and I'm offering it in a webinar Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:55

For free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:11:55

And it's like my deepest training on this stuff that I've, that I've done in, you know, in sort of online webinar form.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:01

Hmm.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:02

It's called the Gospel in Everyday Life.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:03

Some of our listeners are priority.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:05

You know, hit me up for that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:06

So it's happening again.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:07

There'll be links in the show notes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:08

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:09

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:09

So people can, can go and, you know, get on the webinar, there'll be different times.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:14

So click the link, figure out a time that works for you and me, and we'll see in there.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:17

But if you want to get a bigger gospel, because I think seriously what's behind us not living and experiencing this reality of the kingdom that God has offered us and we have in Christ is our own belief and not knowing the gospel.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:31

Yeah, not being able to find the thing behind the

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:33

things.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:34

Well, yeah, we don't want to stay.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:35

I love that Galatians 5 1.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:36

Let's not stay tied up into the slavery of the law.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:39

That sounds terrible.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:40

Yeah, what's the slavery of the law?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:41

Do to be.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:42

Gotta earn it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:43

Gotta create your thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:44

Now you'll be free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:45

Yeah, you are free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:47

It is for freedom that Christ sets you free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:49

Doesn't say when that happens.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:12:51

Yeah, you

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:52

are free, so fight to stay free.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:53

That's awesome.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:54

That's why I like that.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:12:55

So there's a paradigm too, because we hear Paul, uh, talk in scripture when he talks about how all things are lawful for him.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:13:01

It sounds like there's a bit of a paradigm.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:13:03

We know the way things are supposed to work, though Paul's saying, hey, I could do everything, it's not best that I do.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:13:09

How do we live free while operating under structures that have limits?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:13

Yeah, well, great question.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:16

Um, like I said earlier, ulti, , ultimate freedom comes from release and in Christ, we're released from having to create, create and produce ultimate outcomes.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:26

Hmm.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:26

Like what others think and believe and stuff like that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:28

Right.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:28

And so when we hear that term, you know, all things are lawful, but not necessarily bene beneficial.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:34

So it sounds like, oh, there are some limits.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:36

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:37

See, we hear that in flesh right away.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:38

It, what it does is that pushes up against my, my, the limits I feel it pushing up against is my ability to do anything without consequence.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:45

And Paul's going, no, no, no, that's not how we would live.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:13:47

In light of love, in light of the one who laid his life down that you might now live free, you don't then, you don't just live in such a way that people can't understand it or that people are led astray by watching your freedom, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:01

And that's what he was getting at.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:03

He's talking about spiritual freedoms and I've seen it where people go like, man, the way you talk about God, it seems so, I don't know, it seems so loose and seems so irreverent or whatever.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:12

And it's like, bro, I'm free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:14

And I've had other people go like, man, you live so free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:16

It's like, yeah, but some people are actually offended by it because I think deep, deep down in our hearts We all like I said right at the beginning.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:23

We all want to be God We all want to create our own freedom earn it kind of deserve it control it control it And so when we say oh there's gonna be limitations on it or or we see someone else living really really free Yeah, like and they're not earning it It sort of pulls the rug out from underneath our sham of control and our false reality, and it can tick us off and, and sometimes Christians even they'll see someone else with freedom and they'll get flipped out by it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:45

So, well, you're going to cause a brother to stumble.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:47

You know, we just did an episode a couple back on Cigar and Theology.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:50

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:51

And I know we, you know, we get a lot of good feedback on that both.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:14:54

For and against it sure but great feedback and some people like they can't see like well I don't think you should exercise that freedom So we'll always we also have freedom to be careful about who we would invite to those kind of things Yeah, right versus a wall of no sure thing, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:15:07

And so that's I think I think really that's at the core and essence of what Paul's talking about when he says like hey Exercise these freedoms in light of the love That provides it for you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:15:18

In other words, love it just as well.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:15:20

Yeah,

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:20

do you think freedom is contagious?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:22

Like one of the things I've been thinking about even as you're just talking there is a lot of times throughout scripture we see attributes that are easily multiplied.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:31

Like we get to love because we've been loved, right?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:34

We forgive because we've been forgiven.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:36

Do you think there's that same contagiousness with freedom?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:15:38

Because you said I've said I've had a few people come up to me and go like, man, there's something about the way that you live that like I want that that like what is that but but also it's polarizing because then you have other people like you just said go Yeah,

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:15:51

you know, it's crazy about this and I don't want people to hear this and like, oh man, you know You're kicking the family here again But it's like I generally only hear the negatives from the church side and my church friends or not, you know, not friends I don't know just you know, I mean sure church, but More importantly, I think I'm stoked when I, and I've heard it often, like people look at your lives and they go like, you guys, you know, I had, I have people recently say, I'm blown away with how free you guys live to be honest with each other, to accept, you know, input or criticism, uh, how free you live with your home, your stuff, your cars, your finances, like all that stuff.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:29

Like, and it blows my mind.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:31

And, and I'm telling you, it's not like a preachy weird thing to say.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:35

That's awesome.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:36

Cause that's, that's just the life God gives us when we kind of live within the way things work, you know, the way he's created it and it ain't my stuff anyway.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:43

And I was born naked.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:44

I ain't taking it with.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:45

So like, that's why I can like say, Hey, whatever you want or need, like it's yours, you know?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:50

And, and I'll tell you, it is the most attractive thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:52

So you're asking like, does it multiply?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:54

Does it go out?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:55

Like we've been loved.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:56

So we love, yeah, I think.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:16:58

I think if you're not living under the law, back to Galatians 5, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:01

If you're not living under the law, thinking, I have to earn this, you know, and some Christians we do live that way.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:06

I think if you're living free because it's, you've been set free, you know, and you realize I can't blow it, I can't earn it, I just get to live within it, I think it's the most attractive thing in the world.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:16

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:16

Because the way the world is due to be.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:19

And unfortunately, it's also part of the church if you live under the law still, Old Covenant.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:23

So when people see you not living due to be, but you live be, identity to do, like to live, it is the most attractive thing in the world.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:31

Well, and

Heath Hollensbe: 00:17:31

then out of that so much flows, right?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:17:33

Like the generosity, the love, like when you're, when you're truly a free person, it's like.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:17:38

You've cranked over the

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:17:39

wheelhouse and I said freedom is truly release Yeah, release your finances to God then you're gonna be you're gonna be a generous person when people you see need you're gonna meet it Yeah, release, you know what people think of you So now you can speak the truth in love or even like mess up and be a knucklehead and go like I'm sorry and ask For forgiveness, but you don't have to beat yourself up about it You don't have to hide from the person because you're free Yeah And start to fill in the blanks in every area of your life that that the, the belief of who God is, what he's done to prove that, what he says is now true of us because of Christ and our identity and our authority and privilege.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:11

We have huge freedom, like live into it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:14

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:14

It's so cool.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:15

Live into it.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:16

It is the most attractive thing in the world.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:18

And I think in many ways, I won't say it's the only form of evangelism, but it is a very powerful form of like pre evangelism.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:25

If nothing else, I don't even know if that term makes sense, but people see and want to know why.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:30

It's beautiful.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:30

Why do you live this way?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:31

You know, why is it so free?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:32

Why are you, you know, well, that's the thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:34

It

Heath Hollensbe: 00:18:34

is noticeable because so much of the world doesn't live like that.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:18:37

So when you actually have somebody living like that, it's, it is that it's the light and the dark going like this.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:44

And I'll tell you what, talk about, talk about good news, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:46

The gospel is supposed to move.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:47

Someone points to that and you go.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:49

You know, you were created exactly for that same level of freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:51

They're like, I don't know.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:52

It's like, what would keep you from it?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:54

And they start to list off all the things that really is the law, you know, and not grace and all.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:18:58

And you go like, see, see, that's what I'm talking about.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:00

That's exactly what Jesus came to give us.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:02

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:03

He set us free from that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:04

And that's what he wants for you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:05

Instead of saying like, well, here's a bunch of stuff you need to do to earn.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:09

Heaven or earn this freedom or earn his love.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:14

It's just when you were sinners God loved you enough to die for you, right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:16

So no, that's that's all backwards So when you live that free and people catch it and they say what is up with that and then you say but that's exactly What you were created to live like too.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:25

Yeah, they go man.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:26

I wish that were true.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:27

It is true.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:27

That's good faith Yeah,

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:29

absolutely.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:30

Yeah Hey, let's move on to the big three.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:32

These are the big three takeaways, uh, that we make available for free as a download.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:36

You get those by going to everydaydisciple.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:38

com forward slash big three.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:40

Those are three things.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:41

If we could distill this 25 minutes down to three things we want you to walk away with, that's what they are.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:46

And you're also in this going to get the link to the gospel and everyday life webinar that Caesar's offered for free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:51

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:51

I want you guys to get this.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:53

So that's why we put the training together.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:54

Join me for that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:19:55

Pick a, pick a good date and time that'll

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:56

fit for you.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:57

Jump in.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:58

Alright, so what are the big three for this week?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:19:59

Okay,

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:00

like, I just want you to know that you were created to live.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:03

In a grace based environment.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:06

In true freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:07

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:07

That's how you were created.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:09

You were born that way.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:10

I was watching, I was just showing you a video of my, my grandson running around with the hose naked.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:14

You just srt.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:14

That's awesome.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:14

Everybody.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:15

And screaming his head off.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:16

Is that a picture of freedom?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:17

Totally born that way.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:18

See, no one's talked him out of it yet.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:19

Yeah, right.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:21

And I could see little implications of him trying to, you know, build his own kingdom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:24

You know, . Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:25

But he's generally free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:26

And that's how you were born, you were born.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:29

and created to live free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:30

And God desires that you'd live with him forever, experiencing that true freedom and all his blessings today.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:38

So like we said earlier, Galatians 5, 1.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:39

So Christ has truly set us free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:42

Now make sure you stay free and don't get tied up again in the slavery to law.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:46

So slavery to law is living under human rule.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:49

Sure.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:50

And that's me.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:51

I'm a human and rule and reign in order to try and gain.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:54

What God's already given us.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:55

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:56

Think.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:56

Think about the scam of that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:20:57

Like, God, I'm gonna earn from you what you sent your son to die to provide for free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:00

That's foolish.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:01

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:01

It's go, it's goofy.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:02

You are you for freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:03

You set free.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:04

So awesome.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:04

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:05

Second, God's love for you is immense, and it's not conditioned on your attempts to create your own form of freedom.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:11

Hmm.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:12

But your experience of God's grace and freedom is dependent on you believing in faith.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:18

What he says is true of you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:20

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:20

And living within his ways.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:22

So don't miss that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:23

Right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:24

In other words, it's not conditioned on you trying to earn it or if you're like, well, I'm living off the rails and on my own, so that's no, but your experience, it's all, it's all there for you, but your experience of it based on faith and living in his ways.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:37

So we can choose to live outside of God's ways, like I said before, a little or a lot, but then we experienced the consequences of reality.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:45

In other words, that's not how the world really works.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:48

But, but here's the good news again, but when we do.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:50

Either way, God loves us the same.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:52

It's amazing, man.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:53

Right?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:54

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:54

So live in His ways and get blessed.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:56

Live outside of His ways.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:21:57

Don't experience as many blessings, but He's there waiting, but His love is exactly the same.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:01

Yeah.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:02

Like I want people to believe that.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:03

Yeah, why wouldn't you?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:04

Like whatever you're, whatever you don't feel free in right now if you're listening to this, God loves you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:07

You don't feel free in this area of my life.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:08

I don't feel free to, you know, within my income, within my relationships, the way I can speak to my folks, the way I talk to my boss or my pastor, whatever, you don't, you don't, you get to, you get to be free of that release.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:19

Right.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:20

Okay.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:20

Third one.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:20

This is sort of the rubber hitting the road thing.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:23

Ask yourself, am I truly grateful for the freedom I have in Christ?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:29

Or kind of like what I prefer to earn it, you know?

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:32

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you what areas of your life that you're trying to create your own form of freedom instill.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:37

Hmm.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:38

You know, what things in your life or attitudes and beliefs do you need to release back to God in order to have true freedom and a full experience of what God has for you?

Heath Hollensbe: 00:22:48

That's great.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:22:49

Good question to ask.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:22:50

Yeah.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:22:50

And, and trust the Holy Spirit that he will illuminate

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:53

that for you.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:53

Absolutely will.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:53

I promise.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:54

Seriously, if you ask that, get quiet, write it down, he's gonna blow your mind.

Caesar Kalinowski: 00:22:58

Blow your mind, yeah.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:22:59

And then again, you can get, uh, the big three for this week by going to everydaydisciple.

Heath Hollensbe: 00:23:03

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Heath Hollensbe: 00:23:04

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Heath Hollensbe: 00:23:08

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Caesar Kalinowski: 00:23:28

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Caesar Kalinowski: 00:23:35

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Caesar Kalinowski: 00:23:42

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Heath Hollensbe: 00:23:43

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