In this vibrant and empowering episode, Amy Sikarskie welcomes Lisa Campion—master healer, intuitive, and author of four best selling books including The Art of Psychic Reiki—for a soulful conversation on energy healing, intuition, psychic development, and the modern-day role of lightworkers.

Lisa shares her personal path into energy work, the unique intersection of Reiki and psychic awareness, and offers practical tips for protecting your energy, developing your gifts, and stepping into your calling as a healer. Together, Amy and Lisa explore what it means to be a spiritual practitioner in today’s world and how we can stay grounded, authentic, and spiritually resourced through times of awakening and transformation.

Key Takeaways

• The difference between traditional Reiki and psychic Reiki
• How to protect your energy and stay grounded as a sensitive or empath
• The growing collective awakening and the call for more healers
• Why spiritual boundaries and training are essential for psychic development
• Lisa’s journey from intuitive child to professional healer and teacher
• Common signs that you are a natural energy worker or intuitive
• How to honor your path as a lightworker, even when it looks unconventional
• Insights on the changing energy of the planet and the evolution of healing work
• How to trust your intuitive nudges and begin practicing your gifts safely
• Tips for those beginning to blend energy healing with spiritual or psychic work

Resources

Visit Lisa Campion online for books, training, and spiritual mentoring:  www.LisaCampion.com

Suggested Books

The Art of Psychic Reiki: Developing Your Intuitive and Empathic Abilities for Energy Healing Lisa Campion

Essential Reiki: A Complete Guide to an Ancient Healing Art, Diane Stein

Suggested Mediumship Instructor Suzanne Giesemann

You Can Heal Your Life, Louis Hay

Your Body Speaks Your Mind, Deb Shapiro

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• Channeling - An Introduction Free E-Book
• Activating the Starseed
• A Messages for Starseeds & Lightworkers
• Messages from The Councils
• 7 Personal Chakras

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Amy Sikarskie

is an internationally recognized energy therapist, intuitive channel, healer’s healer and mentor. She is a Licensed Vocational Nurse, Master Energy Therapist, Clairvoyant Spirit Communicator, Physical Channel, and Certified Past Life Hypnotherapist.

Amy became interested in healing modalities at the age of seventeen and began her professional training in 2001. She is the founder of Spirit School where she offers channeled messages, meditations, courses, and certifications in intuitive communication and energy therapy through online and in person classes.

Amy is an international best-selling author She is a channel for The Council of Light, spirit guides and archangels. Amy has worked with thousands in one-on-one healing, mentoring, past life hypnosis sessions and through her Angel and Aura readings. She shares inspiration and educational posts and interactive live videos with millions monthly through her instagram pages @AmySikarskie and @Raise.The.Vibe.Tribe

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NewReality TV presents, The Spirit & Soul Healing Show, a space of remembrance, connection, and energetic transformation. Guided by spiritual mentor and advanced energy therapist Amy Sikarskie, this show invites you on a journey through the multidimensional self — blending grounded wisdom, intuitive development, and high-frequency transmissions. Through a collection of themed seasons, Amy shares her path as a channeler, healer, and guide, offering listeners teachings from The Council of Light, archangels, ascended masters, and spirit guides. She brings forward practical tools for spiritual growth and shares soulful conversations with kindred mentors. Each season opens a new doorway — from activating your clair gifts and connecting with your spirit guides, to exploring galactic origins, soul contracts, and past life healing. Whether you're a seasoned lightworker, a newly awakened soul, or simply seeking clarity and connection, this series is designed to nurture your energy body, awaken your inner wisdom, and support your sacred mission here on Earth.

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Welcome to the Spirit and Soul Healing podcast where we speak about all things related to spirituality, soul level healing, intuitive guidance, frequencies, and much more. I'm Amy Sikarskie, licensed vocational nurse, past life hypnotherapist, master intuitive energy healer, and a clairvoyant physical channel.

Today's episode is brought to you in part by Spirit School Online, where we offer courses and energy therapy, free guided meditations, courses and information around learning to connect in with your spirit guides and much more. You can find me at amysakarsky.com and offerings@spiritschoolonline.com foreign hi, everyone. Welcome to the Spirit and Soul Healing Show.

I'm Amy Sikarskie and I'm so excited to introduce our guest today, Lisa Campion. Lisa is an amazing healer, psychic and author.

I've just about finished your Art of Psychic Reiki book, Lisa, and I'm so excited to have you on and just talk about all things, all the things that come up in our world of healing and intuition. So welcome to the show today.

Thank you, Amy. I'm so glad to be here with you today.

Yeah, I'm really excited as well. And I was reading your book and I was really grateful for it. I was just feeling, wow, if I had had this when I started. Right.

Yeah, yeah, that would have been nice. I'm so, so grateful that you wrote this book.

I was just telling my friends, I was like, I think I'm gonna put this and highlight it for all my Reiki students too, because it's really invaluable and I had to piece together things in my own path.

I have a pretty strange journey here. So I started working as a psychic when I was 19, and that was back in the 80s. So, I mean, it was such a weird thing to do back then.

And, you know, I don't know, I. I was one of those really, really psychic children. So I was, like, born with my psychic gift sort of wide open.

And I spent a lot of my time in my childhood trying to figure out what's going on because back then there was like, no, you know, information. There were no books in the library, no teachers, psychic teachers, no psychics on tv, no Internet, no podcasts like this.

It was like, oh, Information wasteland. So I was just trying to figure out what was going on and pretend to be normal in public. I was like, that was it. But I was, you know, what's.

I could see things, hear things. I just knew things. I was an empath. I could feel everything.

And, you know, my parents, God bless my hippie parents, like, they didn't drag me to the church and throw holy water on me, but they were like, oh, you have such a great imagination, you know? So I was like, am I imagining this? I. You know, I was trying to figure it all out. And so I started working, and then I went to college. It was 19.

It was in the 80s, and it was the dawn of the new age, thank God. And all of a sudden, and there was, like, teachers and new age bookstores and psychic teacher. So I kind of got my first real mentor then.

And I started working, seeing clients, and I really quickly learned that I didn't have enough skills. Like, I. I didn't know what to do. I was only 19. I. You know.

Yeah.

And then there was this moment when, like, somebody cried in a session. I was like, I don't know what to do. So I went back to school and became a therapist, and for a lot, which was a good move. I.

For a long time, I combined therapy and. And psychic readings together.

And, you know, I was teaching psychic development. I was teaching Reiki, and I, you know, I was teaching psychic development classes, and I was teaching Reiki classes, and I.

I just noticed that my students would do it all. Like, they would take Reiki and then they would take psych, the psychic classes.

Because, like we talked about, you know, like you said, it tends to pop you open. And. And then. So then I. I decided to write the book.

I wrote the book because a really talented Reiki practitioner came up to me, and she said, I quit doing Reiki because I start. It popped my psychic open so much. I was seeing, like, dead people walk through my room. I didn't know what to do. I was really freaked out.

I was really scared. She went to her Reiki teacher, and a Reiki teacher basically told her to. To knock it off. She's like. She's like, stop that right now.

And she didn't have anything to say. It's not part of the normal Reiki training, it's not. Back then especially. Yeah, Reiki teachers were like, well, I didn't.

They didn't know what to do either. Right. So she quit Reiki. And that made me really sad. So I. I was like, oh, I.

To me, they just go together so well, they're so helpful if you're a Reiki practitioner to develop your intuition and your psychic ability and mush it in with your client, you know, for your clients. It just serves our clients so much better. So that's when I wrote the book.

Oh, I love it. I'm so grateful that you did. Yeah. It. You're just everything in there I could relate to and everything you just shared, I'm just feeling, oh, my gosh.

It was just like, very practical. There wasn't much around any of the intuitive gifts. So it was just, you know, step by step hand placement.

This is the mechanics of how the energy comes in. And so when I started in the sessions having messages, at first I was like, oh, my gosh, is this happening? Do I say something?

You know, what's going on? But for myself, I had a client who, I guess he thought I did readings, and mind you, I had no. Nowhere did I list this.

So on the Reiki table, he started asking me questions and they were about. It ended up being about a past life and he had already had an experience, which I don't know this gentleman, and I don't know what's going on.

So he had an experience on his own and he was asking for, like, info on the missing pieces to his own visions. And. And it all synced up. And so then I thought, wow, alrighty, we need to go and, like you said, take some classes.

So I did the angel communication classes, oracle cards, psychic development, all of it. And your book really does a beautiful job of combining it in one, like, amazing package. So have you. Have you had.

I'm sure you have, but do you have any stories or how have you had the response from your students, like, come through when you've combined both psychic understandings with, like, you know, the whole traditional part of the symbols and the hand placements? Is there anything that comes to mind?

Well, I, I think that it. It's a big relief for people, you know, because. And it was very radical.

You know, like that. You know, that somehow there seems to be kind of a split in the, you know, Reiki community around. Well, can we.

Is it a good thing to allow in intuition and. And psychic? Or. Or do we not. Or do we kind of like, cut that out? And. And I still sometimes find that. That division.

Yeah.

So I think that. I think that the. The client I was talking about, she.

The story that goes with that is that she felt a real powerful calling to do hospice work, which I think is so beautiful. And so I'm always so impressed and grateful when people do things like that, to bring Reiki to the really tough things, you know, and.

And hospice is one of them. And she's a fantastic healer. And she told me that she was getting a lot of. Because she worked. She was working in a hospital. It's full of dead.

Know, hospitals are full of ghosts.

Yep.

So she was like, I don't know how to handle that. And she was also feeling like the, you know, the strain. The empathic strain, because she's an empath. So many Reiki practitioners are.

And so she had sort of the. The. The twin challenges of how does she manage her sensitivity as an empath in a hospital hospice environment?

And how did she handle the psychic stuff? And I really wrote the book for her, you know, like, she. It was almost like I directly wrote it for her. Um, and, you know, it just seem.

Just turns out that a lot of other people were also struggling with that. So when I. When I teach Reiki level, I teach my own version of Reiki that I call psychic Reiki.

And in my level one classes, I teach energy management practices that really help us as we become more sensitive as we're, you know, if, you know, you're an empath or how do we not absorb the energy that we're, you know, around when we're doing Reiki sessions? And then In Reiki Level 2, I teach more of the connection with the guides. Like, how do we work with Reiki guides?

How do we bring psychic information into our sessions in a way our clients want? Which is. It's so interesting that your. Your client asked you for psychic information. I think more and more that happens. People want both.

You know, people re. Our clients really want both. So I feel like it's a tremendous gift to the client and if we can offer both. Right?

Yeah, exactly.

So I was definitely feeling the need to bring in the psychic information and let my students know that the way that I offer sessions is not the typical how we. How I was originally taught, because a lot of people that work with me have had a session, and then they'll take the class and.

And I teach with William Lee Rand, and then I'll have additional classes sprinkled in, you know, so it's like the very basic formality, the way I was taught. And then we add in the intuition aspect. So when they go to have a session. Well, two things.

When I have clients that say, oh, I really enjoyed the session, I want to look for another Reiki practitioner close by because I do remote work. And I'll just say, that's perfect, but please know, not everybody does it the way I do. Not everybody would add the reading part to it.

And if you find somebody like that and you resonate with them, that's amazing.

And then additionally, when I have students, I'll say, don't feel like you have to start with all of the reading part and all and explaining all the information. It's baby steps. And you just flow and you trust as the information comes on.

And so all of your practical advice for managing energy, discerning spirit. I love that at the end of the book because that's the chapter I'm on right now. I was like, yes, this is fantastic. Is really valuable and important.

And so, like, I. I'm just so grateful and I'm so happy. I know we just met, but I just have to tell you, like, I.

I'm so grateful you wrote the book and that you, I'm sure, your own journey. Maybe we can talk about some experiences, but having the backlash come to you that you. You just. I'm just grateful that you wrote the book.

So I have to say that. And I'm hoping it wasn't too horrible because I understand.

If you don't have the attunement, then does it matter if people are looking and thirst for knowledge and they're truly a healer looking to better themselves?

Yeah, yeah, I know. And. And I have such a. A Raiki Mutt, my. My lineage.

I'm such a Raiki Mutt because I studied with so many different teachers over the years, you know, and one of my teachers studied with Diane Stein who's also really radical in a. In a lot of ways, especially back then when.

When she was new and she published the symbols in her book Essential Reiki, which is a classic Reiki book. If you've never read it, everyone should read that one. But she.

Her point on that was that, you know, a lot of times the traditional way Reiki was taught was sort of an oral tradition, you know, so the symbols weren't written down or you weren't supposed to show them or share them. And.

But there's just, like, a lot of mistakes or changes that happen, especially in the really complex symbols that have, you know, many, many strokes in them. They're Japanese characters, haunches. A shonen has, like, 22 strokes in it. 20 or 22, depending on which version. You know. You know, you learn.

And so I felt. I felt there was some merit in standardizing them, you know.

Yeah.

So that everyone's on the same page. And that's why I also chose to publish them as sort of in the. In the Diane Stein school of. Of Reiki training that way. And I didn't have.

I mean, there was some backlash about that. There was a lot of, like, how dare you mix it with Reiki?

It was a challenge for me to, in a way, publish a book that had the word psychic in the title.

Yeah.

Because even though I'd been, like, working as a psychic literally my whole entire life, and I. I've been pretty out of this, you know, out of the closet, the Reiki closet and the psychic closet with it, it's still.

I was still like, ooh, what's going to happen if I publish a book with the word psychic in the title? And I did get some, you know, you're. You're an agent of Satan kind of response, but I. I don't know.

I just kind of ignore it and carry on, because I do feel like. I do feel like it helps more people than it freaks out.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm, Again, I'm grateful that you did and that if you had any challenging times with the feedb, I know it's later on in life, but if I could go back in time, maybe. Maybe you would have felt me just, like, saying, thank you so much for it.

Thank you.

I thought, yeah, I had the psychic abilities come on, too, but I was raised in a very religious household, and so that word was completely taboo. And so I'm like, okay, how do we get around it? You know, as I started, okay, intuition, talking to angels and spirit guides. Like, that's okay. And.

And I can do mediumship, but I. You know, it's not my favor. There's a whole other conversation around that. So I said, well, I'm not a medium, and I'm not.

I don't really want to call myself a psychic right now. So it was, yeah, I do Reiki, and I do angel readings.

But nowadays, what I found is people are really grasping, like, when they look, when in search engines, when they're looking for the work that we do, it is psychic. Like, tell me how to find somebody that can connect with higher inspiration, deeper soul wisdom, and really bring that information through.

And I also. I just know. I look back. Back at my own healing space, and that's how I got into this line of work is because I was going through a healing crisis.

I think that's how most of us find ourselves here.

Absolutely.

Yeah. And I was like, how do I do. I Google psychic? I don't know, but I did. Right. And. And then today, I feel like it has a more. When I.

If I Google it, I feel like there's more of a welcome, a welcoming energy to me around that word. So also, it just feels like you kind of broke through the barriers with the title of your book and opened it up.

Yeah, it was really intentional to kind of really claim it, to reclaim it. And, you know, like, when I was growing up, like, psychic was sort of like the psychic hotline, you know, like, you call.

It was like some 800 number you called. So there's kind of the connotation with, like, scammers and, I don't know, like, charlatans.

There's a little bit of that and, you know, the devil for sure. And.

And yet, I mean, like, when I started working, like, there was always a small amount of people that just knew that's what they wanted, you know, that that's what they were looking for.

And I feel like in our more modern time here, like, we have psychics on tv, we have, like, really famous psychics, celebrity psychics, and psychics of the celebrities. You know, it's paranormal TV shows. It's such a wider.

There's the TikTok psychics, God bless them, you know, like, there's a whole new generation of people who are talking about it and really normalizing it in a way that I think is really beautiful and important, because I feel like we're getting more psychic for a couple of different reasons. You know, like, every generation that comes in is a little more psychic than the last one.

And I think that we, you know, we are experiencing a shift in our human consciousness as we go through this, you know, evolution of humanity that they call the shift or they call the ascension. It's got a lot of different names, but I really believe in it.

And I think we're all kind of upgrading our consciousness, and that comes with all these other psychic skills. So I feel like everyone psychic is waking up. So many people are.

Are discovering they have that call to be a healer, you know, and, um, that maybe they've come onto the planet right now at this time. They know they're meant for. To be a healer. So people are waking up to that sort of spiritual calling. It's like really a calling.

And then we do all these things that open our psychic. So I always say, like yoga, Reiki and meditation are the sort of three gateways into a larger spiritual world.

So, you know, back in the day, you'd have to like, climb the mountain into bed and bang on the temple door, and maybe they would teach you yoga, reiki and meditation. Meditation, you know, and now. And maybe they wouldn't. But now it's so available. So we do these things. Thank God.

I mean, I'm so grateful that that's so available.

Yeah.

And they. It pops open your psych. Everyone's psychic ability.

So I feel like there's just this massive increase in not only the conversation we have about it, but also everyone's abilities too.

Right? Exactly. And I was just, as you said that the. The memory or the thought about one of your students popped into my mind. It was a quite like.

It was a shocking but also beautiful story.

She was an elderly student who was committed to psych ward because her gifts came on and she didn't have the support, and she was from another generation. You said that you studied to be a therapist. Was that in the men? Like the mental therapist?

Okay, yeah, yeah, I studied it to be a psychotherapist. And, you know, even back when I was a kid. So I was born in the 60s, growing up in the 60s, 70s and 80s. And I.

I don't know, like, why I was so afraid of being put in a mental hospital, but I was, you know what I mean? And I kind of knew, like, if you.

You couldn't talk about it, if you saw angels and talked to Uncle Fred, you were going to end up in a mental hospital.

Yeah.

So I was always super quiet. Like, you know, like, I didn't. I didn't share that part of my life really. Hardly at all.

And also the other kid, the kids would tease me, you know, like, no, you know, it Was. Yeah, it wasn't going to go well with my peers, so I didn't say much about it.

But that was very common, you know, and back in the day, and even still sometimes now when people undergo psychic experiences, if they're around people that don't know that's what it is or get really freaked out about it, they end up in and, you know, you know, institution, psychiatric facilities because.

Right, right.

You know, people get confused about what's happening for them or scared. So sadly, it's true. I always say there's only a few letters difference between psychic and psychotic. And.

And, you know, I think we have to be careful too, like how we open, because sometimes if we open too quickly or if we have. I always say psychic development is not a good idea if you're, if you're struggling with your mental health, you know.

Yeah.

To begin with, it. It's much. It's not a good idea to open. To open suddenly because it can really be quite. Be destabilizing and really sort of throw you over the edge.

If you're, if you're on the edge, it can sort of throw you over the edge.

So if you're a person who's struggling with your mental health, my strong advice is to work on healing yourself, stabilizing your mental health, doing some grounding, doing some energy management. Like, really, like get yourself back on, settled and situated and in a good, healthy place before you open your psychic.

Because it's not a good idea to do if you're, if you're not in a stable place.

Right, right. And as you're sharing, I'm. I'm just so grateful that there are more of us and there's more therapists, communities, support groups for people.

So I see in the background your book awakening your psychic ability. Do you talk about that in, in this book? Yeah, as far as I know, it's like not really one size fits all.

But do you have any top tips for somebody who might be questioning their experiences and, you know, top tips around discernment? Like, oh, yeah, this might be a psychic thing, or maybe not. Maybe it's something a little bit different. Like.

I, I think that it, you know, it depends on, like, is it joyful? I mean, sometimes we can be really afraid. Even when it. It's natural and normal and good, we can be quite afraid of what's going on.

But I think in general, a spiritual opening, a psychic opening leads us, you know, feels good, feels productive, feels maybe exciting. Once we kind of work through our initial fears about it. You Know, it's moving towards life, sustaining life giving practices.

And you know, if we are feeling bad, if you feel really bad, it may not be, you know, maybe something that, something else or something you need to address.

If you're like really riddled with anxiety, depression, if the voices in your head are telling you to hurt yourself or somebody else, you know, and making things worse.

And that's something that you want to deal with as a mental health issue and get, you know, treatment from, from a physician, from a doctor, from a mental health professional. So I think it's a. Does it feel good or does it feel bad?

Right.

You know, that's sort of the kind of level of discernment that we're going through. And if you're not sure, you can ask people, you know, to you, you might work with a healer or.

I work with a lot of people that have both going on, you know, and I, I never, I never judge people or hold it against them if they're having mental health issues. It's just natural part of humanity, you know.

And I work a lot with people with mental health issues and helping them sort out what exactly what's going on.

I think if we have a ton of trauma, especially early childhood trauma, or we have like a history of mental health issues in our family and then we have a strong psychic opening, it can be a really painful process. So sometimes our psychic gifts activate at the same time that our mental health issues do, you know.

Right.

And it just can take like I work with a team, a team of people, you know, mental health professionals and spiritual healers to help a person like that, who's going, who's in that situation, you know, get, get both feet on the ground, really.

Right. Yeah, I like that. I like having a nice support team with people from all different backgrounds and specialties.

And I, and I appreciate that this is coming up in the conversation because I think if somebody said, well, I'm feeling like I'm starting to have intuitive hits come in, or I'm interested in studying Reiki, but I'm scared this might happen. Just to know that there's more awareness around it right now and also a lot of supportive options to help you discern what's happening.

And myself, I've had many therapists. I think that's so important. We should always have a therapist, like especially in our back pocket.

Even if we've, you know, moved through that phase, something can come up again later on in life and there's no shame in it at all. I think it's like like, it's actually kind of bougie. It's kind of bougie.

I think it's kind of necessary. Like, I mean, me too. Like, I go in and out of therapy when I need it, and. And I just think that's part. Like, part of our process as healers.

And I also think as Reiki practitioners and healers, we have kind of like, two really strong missions. One mission is to heal ourselves, and the other is to help other people. And I think as healers, it's.

For me, anyway, I'm always my first and best client. You know what I mean? Like, my clients come in with my issues to jour whatever's happening in my life.

It's like a mirror reflecting to me, like, what I need to work on. And I'm just like, well, that's what you get when you. It's two sides of the same coin when you're a healer.

It's your own healing, and it's helping other people heal. So I'm like, bring it on. Like, what's the next thing for me to do? I get a little excited about it, and, you know, okay, let's.

Let's dig around and hear there's something else I can work on. And then I find huge relief on the other side of it.

Yeah, definitely. Yes. And it's so nice because sometimes, like, I just went through this, and I'm so grateful that I dove right into, you know, what's going on.

Let me give the therapist. How do we navigate it so that then we do help, because it doesn't take long.

Like, I'm talking a couple of weeks later than the clients come that have the same challenge or. Yeah.

Isn't that interesting? There's some, like.

There's, like, that resonance, you know, that vibrational match that whatever we're working on or whatever we just figured out, we attract clients that are in the same place or we're. We may be a few, you know, a few miles down the road ahead of the road from where they are. But I'm like, yeah, I just figured that out last week.

Yes.

And now I can help you. Right?

Yeah, I'll say. Like, for myself, the big theme right now is ancestral healing. So I'll go.

Is going back multiple generations and having their fears or their obligations, the emotional, mental energy coming through. I'm like, do I need to knock on wood? Nothing physical yet. Hopefully, we don't have that. But it's the mental, emotional.

It's the conditions of the world they lived in and those fears or Thoughts come through. So that's what I've been accessing. And then also, like, my own past lives have come up where I've had something similar.

And now I'm seeing that in clients. And it's a combination. It's like some of my clients, it's one or the other, and a lot of them lately it's been both.

So I found that really interesting. Do you. Do you have any themes coming up right now that you noticed?

Well, yeah, for sure. And I always feel like when I look at.

So my orientation is a psychic, is soul reading, and really looking at the point of origin of somebody's issue when they're coming in to me, I look, okay, well, where did this start? And I always see it's kind of a combination of something happened in your childhood or something happened in your this lifetime.

There's a bunch of past life themes that go with that and a bunch of ancestral themes that go with it. So I feel like there's this kind of, like, I see it like a tangled ball of yarn, you know, that has.

Some of the threads are past life threads, some are ancestral threads, and some are this lifetime threads. And I find if I can start sort of pulling on that and like, let's untangle what happened when you're in a past life.

Let's untangle what happened in your childhood. Let's see where this, you know, lineage stuff, it's always a mash and a mashup of those three things.

And when we can work on it from all of those angles, I think our clients really, really change, really transform, really heal and grow. So I. That's what I see. And, you know, I don't know. Everybody has their. Their themes they're working on. It's.

I think that's very unique, very individual to each of us and also what stage of life we're in. Like, you know, the themes that I'm working on now are similar, but also different from what I was doing 10 years ago, 20 years ago.

You know, there's things evolve and upgrade, and I also really believe from in my own experience, and I see this with my clients, we sort of circle it around. Like, I think, you know, we can have this idea that it's one and done, and it's really never one and done.

It's like, you know, we're gonna cycle back around.

And when people say things to me like, I healed my relationship with my mother a long time ago, and I'm always like, oh, oh, no, no, no, you didn't like it's? Just coming around, you know, not to diminish the work somebody's already done, but just to know that our core issues, we just come back to them at.

At a deeper level. I mean, heal. I'm healing myself and my clients at a deeper level than I did when I was 20, when I was, you know, 40. And.

And I just think that's sort of spiritual evolution, you know, like, we just. The more spiritually evolved we get, we get.

It gets a little closer to the bone, it gets even a little more painful, but it doesn't take away from all the work we've already done.

Oh.

I mean, I think when you're totally done with your work, you're off the planet.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, you're not here anymore and I'm not there. That's okay, you know.

Yes, yes. Oh, my gosh, that's so true. It's like, all right, see you maybe never here again in another plane of existence. Yeah, exactly. So I. I do.

I love your vision of the ball of thread and all the pieces and the strings and how. How they connect back, because they do often follow these, like, threads of light vision.

It's just recently I've been noticing impersonally, whereas ancestors come into the session. And I'm so used to working with the archangel.

So I'm noticing in my own practice that I'm talking, like, just within the last couple of months, where it's like the energy shifting a little bit. I'm like, okay. And this is good because it's all, you know, advancement, ascension and expansion and. And being open to it. And so I.

You know, it's interesting. I'm sure I'm. I've got my eye on your book, Awakening to Psychic Ability. I'm like, I'm sure you're going to talk about some of my.

My questions and thoughts in your books that I haven't got to yet.

But it's like, if I hadn't found the answers and felt comfortable trusting myself and my team and the intuition, because it's all one step after the other, then I might not be open to talking with ancestors, because to me, that flows. Oops. That flows more into mediumship work. And I was kind of always standoffish with working with ghosts especially.

I didn't have many negative experiences, but they weren't fun. And the one was when I did do Reiki in a hospice center. That's the whole situation. I was like, I don't think I'm prepared.

I probably shouldn't have done this yet.

Yeah, that's a dicey. That's always a little dicey. And I mean, I used to see ghosts when I was little. I called them the gray people, and they would sit. Sit on the.

Around my bed when I was little. And I was never really afraid of them. I've never really been afraid of spirits too much. I mean, they're just people.

Yeah.

You know, they're. There are people that are in pain, they have trauma. Sometimes they come in their.

In their death state, which is when they look a bit corpsey, which is kind of a little freaky. But I was seeing that from the time that I was little, you know, and I knew they were just trying to tell their stories. Right.

So I, I also say I'm not a medium, but mediumship happens.

Yes, yes.

That's what I. That's how I say, like, I'm not a medium, but mediumship happens. I.

I do mediumship when I need to, when it needs to be done, when it's what shows up in my. In the moment. You know what I mean? And sometimes that's with a client.

Sometimes it's in the Airbnb that I'm in because I just want a good night's sleep. And it's Murphy's Law. They put me in the haunted hotel room every time. You know, so sometimes I. It's just what I do because I'm. I'm encountering it.

And I don't know. I don't think, you know, there's a big difference between ghosts and ancestors. Right.

So the ghosts are like the uneasy spirits of the dead that need help crossing over.

Ancestors are just like, they're here to help and they're here to cheerlead, and they're really lovely and, you know, generally speaking, well behaved. But to me, go, a ghost is like a client. It's nothing. They're traumatized or freaked out.

They need help, you know, And I'm like, well, that's what we do. We help people. So I think the real thing that's hard to deal with is other people's trauma. That's what it really comes down to.

You know, what I mean is. And. And my training as a therapist has helped me learn how to handle other, you know, people's trauma.

I think that's the tricky part, because whether you're dead or alive, that it's the trauma that's so upsetting.

Right, right. And I love that you shared all that, because it had me reflecting on my experiences. My first encounter was with my grandfather who crossed.

And it Was. It was good. Like, I could tell it had been. I was never afraid of death.

It was really interesting as a child, I was very close in proximity with the crossing over of some of my great grandparents and then my grandparents, and so it never really upset me. And then I started taking classes.

That's where it happened was that the other students were saying all their scary things and they were like, saying, oh, you know, like, I. I have these problems with ghosts and I don't. You know, they were just sharing all of their traumas.

And so truly, that's what kind of had me being standoffish.

And so then later on in life, after having all my experiences with my guides and the angels, ascended masters, and now we have more ancestors coming in, it is a completely different frequency. And I will say I have had encounters with spirits that need help with ghosts. And I don't.

I don't really mind it so much, but I don't advertise mediumship, just still, because at the beginning I felt like I don't want to put that out there and have people come to me expecting me to help in that kind of a way. And also I don't feel qualified. Like you said, it's like they.

Sometimes there's a therapy that needs to be had in that reading, and I don't feel qualified right now. So.

Yeah, yeah. There's some real specific skills I think you need if you're going to do mediumship. It's a real, I think, learning how to hand.

How to deal with people who are grieving, you know, So, I mean, yes, we're. We have to talk to the spirits, but we're also, you know, need to handle and help the living person, you know. Yeah. And that.

And that's like the one skill set, like, how do you handle people that are grieving? And it's. It's so. It's so hard. It's so heavy. It's so, you know, it's. And then dealing with the spirits is a whole different skill.

So it's kind of like we have to do both. You have to get really good at both. Yeah, I'm really respectful of mediums.

I just met Suzanne Gieseman, who's one of the best mediums, I think around right now, and she has an incredible training program for mediums.

She teaches, like, evidential mediumship, which is to bring forth the evidence that people, who the living people are looking for to know that it's for sure their person, you know, love that. And I respect her. She's got incredible Integrity, incredible skills, super compassionate and, and really amazing classes.

So that's where I would go if I wanted to. You know, I would advise anyone who wants to study mediumship because you really shouldn't just do it without training.

Right.

And I think part of my, my thing is like there's two reasons why one of them is we need skills so we don't get into trouble. Like we don't do dangerous things ourselves as psychics.

Yeah.

And like don't, we don't play with a Ouija board. We don't, don't do the things you see on paranormal tv.

Exactly.

Don't learn your skills from watching horror movies. And you're, you know, there's a whole list of don't do things. Right. And then we also need to learn ethics.

And yeah, I talk about ethics in all of my books because I've feel like that's something that really, really needs to be taught, talked about.

You know, there's a lot of well meaning people who are practicing psychic, you know, readings that don't, don't have very good ethics, mostly because they've never been trained, they're self taught. So they can be kind of actually causing quite a lot of harm and not even really know it.

Thinking that they're helping but then causing harm.

So what I loved about the Art of Psychic Reiki book was that you talked about ethics and you talked about I, you know, consider the boundaries of when it's appropriate to pass on information and when it's not. And then you also talked about how well you did talk. You talked about a lot.

So the discernment part of what's appropriate to pass on and when is really, really important and if it's beneficial. And there is so much to learn here.

The one thing that I took away, which I, when, when you said it, I was like, yes, and it's, if not skilled in this, refer out. Like, that's the best advice that we can have. I love, like you refer out. I love to refer out too.

It's like I'm here to help you in the way that I can and if that is by giving you additional resources, I'm all about it, all for it.

Yes, me too. We can't be good at everything. And people come to me, they're like, you know, do you do couples therapy? And my answer is no, absolutely not.

But I know some really good ones, you know, or do you know, like, I, I think like, you know, we, we need to have like a really full Rolodex of other healers that we can refer our people to, whether it's, you know, doctors, lawyers, therapists, chiropractors, you know, we. Addiction specialists, trauma specialists, we can't do it all.

So we need to stick within our scope, the scope of our practice and know what, where that is and then also really be mindful about when and where to share. I always say no. Psychic hit and runs. You know, don't share if you're not asked.

It's different if you're in a session, but if you're just living your life and you're with your friends, I. I don't share psychic information unless I'm asked.

Yeah, that's really valuable.

Or if you have. If you really feel like you want to share, you've got to ask permission.

Is it okay if I share this with you and really respect people, you know, their yes and their no. Everyone deserves privacy and the right to opt in to that and not have unsolicited psychic information shoved on them when they didn't ask for it.

That's a really. That's terrible. Boundaries and not good for your karma, right?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It just reminds me of so many stories and when I was younger, too, kind of like the nosy olderly women. This is just my experience.

They wanted to be in everybody's business and they would come up and just tell you like, this reading, and I'm like, I don't think I asked. I don't. I don't know that I appreciate you. I don't even know you. And it was just like, so uncomfortable.

I personally would have things like that happen in classes because a lot of my classes were in person. You're surrounded by people, and if they asked me, then I'd be more apt to even, you know, receptive to the message.

So that, yeah, that is really important. And one of the other. One of the other practitioners you mentioned in your book was a functional doctor.

And I thought, yes, that's so important because sometimes I'll get messages regarding, you know, what supplements to take or a diet and things like this. And I say, okay, I'm getting something around this, but you need to go look into it deeper.

You know, go to a functional doctor, herbologist, something in that kind of a way to help because there is such a strong connection. The mind, the body, the soul, how all aspects of our healing really are important. And it's kind of like dominoes one time.

Like sometimes you'll have something come through in the emotions, and then you sense it in the body and you even talk about knowing the different organs, what emotions they hold. I loved that you included that.

That's so profound, because back in the day, I had to get, like, two and three books just to even hear about that concept. Yeah, I know.

Louise. Hey, you can heal your life and your body speaks your mind by Deb Shapiro, I think are books that we all, as Reiki practitioners, should all have.

You know, And I. You know, when I didn't know, I'd look it up. Somebody be like, I'm having a problem with my gallbladder. And I'd be like, let's look it up.

Let's see what Louise says about it. And, you know, I would just pull it out and read it and share it with them. And. And. And I. I get.

I'm a pretty good medical intuitive, so I often get, you know, medical information from people, but even then, I'm like, check with your doctor.

Yeah.

This is a starting point. You know, go ask your doctor to check out X, Y, and Z. Don't take it on my. You know, just on what I said.

It can be a beginning point for an investigation for you, but you need to investigate.

Yeah. And I think it's important because what you just shared brought through my.

For me, I'm a licensed nurse, and so I'm even more like, okay, I need to be very clear. I'm not diagnosing or prescribing anything. Right.

So when we talk about the trainings, like your book talks about protocol and guidelines, and it's a safety experience. Like, it's a safety net, basically. We're watching out for us and also our communities and other practitioners, you know, a long.

Well, it's kind of changing in my experience lately, but back in the day, I feel like many of us did kind of have a bad rap. So when one person can really, you know, put it some.

They can do something out there, and then the word gets out like, oh, all Reiki practitioners are. All psychics are this way and that. And it's not. You know, it's like, okay, yeah, we need.

We need to all maintain a level of high ethics and standards and know exactly what that entails, so.

Exactly. And professionalism, you know, and. And how. And how we don't. How we not harm people, you know, that's really what it comes down to.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's. That's so beautiful. I love it that you said that.

Yeah. I was just thinking. Right, right. So you. Okay, so you started very in tune, and you went through your whole journey. When did you tap into.

I Think you already told us when you started Reiki and you had many teachers, but, like, when did you start teaching? When did you start saying, okay, I really feel a calling to mentor and support and be there for others?

So I was teaching, like, empath, you know, energy management skills, psychic development, and Reiki, and I was teaching in person. You know, I had a pretty big private practice and I was teaching Reiki there. There was. There wasn't too many Reiki teachers back then.

So teach Reiki 1, one month, Reiki 2 the next month, Reiki 3, the month after that. And I would do it all year long. And my classes were packed with, wow, people learning, you know, and then.

So I don't know how many people have taught. And I taught in an energy medicine school for 15 years, teaching full spectrum healing. That's sort of a Barbara Brennan style. Yeah, energy medicine.

So between the 26 years I've been teaching Reiki and the energy medicine school, I think it's thousands of people that I.

So, yeah, you know, I have, like, a lot of clinical experience as a clinician and as a. As a teacher. And then when the pandemic happened, I just moved everything online. So now I teach almost 100. I teach online, online classes.

And, you know, back in the day, I would have been like, you can't teach Reiki online and you can't do a remote attunement. Well, the pandemic happened. I was like, I guess we're gonna find out.

Like, yeah, like, we gotta try it, you know, And I think so many of us switch to, like, you know, remote practice and remote attunements and remote learning. And I find it works really, really just as well as. And I always like to get my hands on people when I can.

And I still see clients one day a week in my physical. Physical in my office, but I really love the freedom that going remote, going online has brought. You know, I'm like, I'm.

I'm working with somebody in New Zealand or Australia or South Africa, like that, you know, that I never would have had an opportunity to work with, you know, if I just kept my practice as an. As an in person practice.

Right. I do. I Love this. My Reiki 2 class, we're going way back, right? They had us. It was in person, and they had us spread out across this house.

It was a beautiful house and a partner. And then they would send remote Reiki to us. And so I got to sense how did I feel it. And it came in really strong.

And I've noticed, like, from remote work, it's almost, in my experience, it feels more concentrated and it just flows through. And I used to do what I call bubbles of light.

So I would send to friends, you know, like a bubble of Reiki, and I would say, okay, I channeled this in for like 15 minutes, but I have a feeling you're gonna take an hour to absorb and integrate. And so I find that there's. There's benefits to all of it because I also love people in person too, and I haven't done that for a while.

So I love that you're doing, like the hybr and. Yes. The attunements. Remote work. If anybody's questioning, how does this happen? Well, have like a remote Reiki session. And it's similar.

You feel the energy and. But to that I'm hearing you in my head. Or you don't, because you did talk about sometimes people don't feel the energy as strongly.

And that's okay because it's still happening. And I've noticed that myself too.

Yeah. I mean, some people are.

Especially if you're an empath and intuitive, sensitive type person, you're gonna feel the energy flowing through your body, whether you're giving Reiki or receiving it. And we might feel that is like tingling, pulsing, you know, like waves of energy feeling.

Other people don't have a natural ability to feel energy, but they're still gonna feel the results, right? So they're still gonna feel relaxed, at peace, calm. You know, they're gonna feel the benefit of the Reiki sessions.

And sometimes it happens over time, even when I do an in person session or remote session. Like, you might feel it tomorrow or tonight while you're sleeping. You might kind of like, it can take a minute till we're relaxed and quiet.

Yeah.

Same thing happens with psychic messages. Like I, in all my psychic development Classes out. I do these, like, guided meditations where you tune in and you talk to a spirit guide and.

And people will be like, I didn't get anything. And I'm like, wait 24 hours. Because it. Chances are good that information landed in your subconscious and it's gonna.

It sort of bypassed your conscious mind. It'll come to you at night while you're sleeping, or it'll come to you tomorrow while you're driving or walking the dog. Like. Like an aha moment. Like.

Like that. There it is. You know, so we don't always have, like, instantaneous delivery of these.

You know, this kind of energy, it can have a little bit of a lag time from when we get it to when we feel it.

Yeah, yeah. I think that's so important for anybody who's new and they go to have a reading or a session and they.

Because sometimes what I feel is if you're too concerned or uptight about it and, like, you really want it, right now your system is tense. You really should be relaxed in that receptive space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't worry.

We're too stuck in the analytical mind, you know, the thinking mind. Thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking. Yeah. And, you know, when I get on the Reiki table, I always start with working on people's heads.

And I. I put my hand under their head, under the bottom of the head, on the top of their head. I'll work on their head until they stop thinking.

And that can be like 10 minutes, half an hour, I don't know. Because our brains are just so. And we're. We're locked in that analytical mind. We can't feel any. Anything.

That's so true.

We need to quiet the analytical mind. And I think that's why it sneaks up on us when we're in our alpha state.

Moment you're in the shower, you're just going to sleep or waking up, you're walking the dog, and your analytical mind relaxes for a minute. And, you know, the other side, the right side of the brain, the intuitive side of the brain, wakes up and is like, able to receive and.

And process the more subtle energies that. That we're getting.

Yes. And I just heard that. I think it was one of the last chapters where you were talking about daydreaming, and it was funny.

I'm probably going to get it wrong, but it made me smile. You said something along the lines of the most boring or mundane things on repeat calm the mind.

And then you go into that space where you can be Open to the messages.

Yeah, that's right. That's how we get into the alpha.

The alpha brain wave is when we're the most important psychic, intuitive, creative, and it's that, you know, the right side of the brain and when we give the left side the analytical something to do.

Wash the dishes, walk the dog, drive the car, like we give, you know, fold the laundry, it puts us into sort of a light trance state, like a daydreamy state. And that shifts us into the alpha brainwave. It's a slower brain brainwave than the beta brainwave.

The beta brain waves just thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, talking, talking, talking, talking. You know, we have to shift to this alpha and. And then we're so creative. So, you know, I always say it's the shower. People get the psych.

People get the best psychic hits in the shower.

Yeah, we do.

Really relaxed. You're really calm. You're really like in that alpha brain wave.

Yeah, that's where I first started seeing light too. Like, do you. Well, you probably heard if you haven't yourself, people will see the sparkles of light, the flashes of light. Yeah.

I was all in the shower and I was like, oh, my guides are here and I can actually, like, my clairvoyance is popping on. Wow. So, yeah, that's amazing. I have really loved connecting today. Thank you so much for coming on.

Do you have a final message for those who are listening? For those who would be interested in.

Reiki, I would just say now is the time. Like, you know, you know, we need all the healers we can get on the planet right now.

And Reiki is so beautiful because, you know, we've started Reiki one with self healing. And I love, love, love, love the self healing aspects of Reiki.

So if you do Nothing else, learn Reiki 1 so you can do Reiki on yourself, your friends, your family, your pets, your food, your plant, your house plants.

Yeah.

Can all get Reiki.

So I really think ever, especially if you're a person who works with your hands on other people, you definitely, you know, need to, to learn some Reiki. And it's so easy and beautiful to do. Anyone can do it.

Yeah, I love it. I love it. Absolutely. I just remembered blessing the water when you said that, and that's so important.

Daily practice, really easy and makes all the difference. Yes, totally. Oh, thank you so much. And where can our listeners find you?

So come to my website, LisaKampion.com and I have my all, all levels of psychic Reiki there.

All levels of psychic development classes lots of freebies and just, you know, kind of all kind of information if, if you're looking to develop your psychic or learn Reiki or develop your intuition, you know, that's what I do. LisaCampion.com I love it.

Thank you, Lisa, for coming on to the Spirit and Soul Healing show, and thank you to our viewers and listeners. And we'll see you guys again super soon on the next episode. It.