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Welcome everybody, and you might not know this, but a lot of people ask me
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who my clients are, and one group, which is kind of near and dear to my heart,
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are my teachers or they're ex-teachers of English who at some point decide that
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they wanna specialize in pronunciation and maybe even become an accent coach like me.
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And today, I'm with Polly, one of the teachers in that group, and
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we're gonna talk about how recording yourself can be really empowering.
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I know that for most people, all they can think about is the cringe, but trust
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me, we're gonna dive into the stress and discomfort, but also the benefits.
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And you might even find some similarities between yourself
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and the Greek goddess Athena.
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But for now, let's get on with the show
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I'm Bianca, your personal American accent coach, and I'm here to help
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you master an American accent in English because your voice is your
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choice when it comes to how you sound.
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Now let's get on with the show.
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welcome everybody.
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I'm so excited.
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Actually, I shouldn't even start that way.
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I should say, welcome Polly, it's so nice to actually be recording with
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you finally, because you've been in my teacher's academy for a while, and we keep
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saying, "Let's do a podcast. Let's do a podcast." And here we are finally, and
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the topic is gonna be really interesting.
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But first, let's get a quick introduction from you.
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Tell us who you are, where you live, anything else you wanna add.
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I'm an English teacher by training.
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But a- after graduation, I spent like several years working for
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several international companies as an assistant or a project manager.
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But in 2024, I guess it was like autumn 2024, I pursued teaching again, because I
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did have some experience teaching before.
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And I started working for this online school, and that's I guess, that
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was the moment when I found you.
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It was either Instagram or I don't really remember how I found you,
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but yeah, I decided like, "This is where I need to be." yeah.
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That's- Oh, that's perfect.
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Enjoyed it.
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And you're such a good addition, I think, 'cause you're always like
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willing to try new things and, talk about things from a different
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angle, which I really appreciate.
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And today we've been planning on talking about we've been talking
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about yeah, so you were in the teacher's club with another teacher,
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and randomly the idea of dance, dance classes came up more than once.
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And we thought how interesting, we have this like parallel between
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dancing, dance instructors, instructing, learning, teaching.
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All these interesting things and how it relates to language.
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We never would have thought about it, but this was a recurring theme, and we thought
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we gotta make a podcast about this.
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So let's first start talking about like Instagram and things like that.
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'Cause I think that when we talk about recording yourself, we mean audio.
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But really a lot of people have had some of the same feelings
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maybe regarding selfies, you know?
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So tell me about maybe, I don't know, your experience or what you've noticed
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on the parallels of selfies and audios.
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Yeah, so actually dancing came up during our calls as just as a hobby, you know?
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yeah, kind of started dancing a while ago.
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But this idea of making videos and taking part in professional video shootings,
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that's a completely different thing.
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And I kind of, uh, thought of this analogy with this great practice of making
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recordings of your own voice and just how much help and improvement it gives you.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Which we're gonna talk a little bit more in detail about too, but I know people are
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always… well, I shouldn't say always.
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I know people are often kind of terrified about recording their own voice, right?
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Even in their first language.
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But you know what?
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There's no lack of like selfies, I think, in the world.
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So maybe we can think of it as selfies and how that relates to it.
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Yeah, but you know what as for selfies.
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It's a bit different because we've kind of adjusted and we've learned,
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like, which side is a good side.
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Like, taking pictures from low angles creates this double chin situation,
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so we don't usually do that, right?
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And I can see up somebody's nose when they are on a laptop.
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It's like, whoa.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh.
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So yeah, and that's good.
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But like at the same time, we ended up in this misleading reality.
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Sometimes.
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Pro- probably a lot of the time, right?
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Right.
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It makes sense though, 'cause we wanna show ourselves in our best light.
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We wanna feel confident.
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Like, If we can take a good picture, we wanna take a good picture, right?
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We wanna have the, nice lighting and stuff like that.
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It makes sense.
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Makes total sense, but maybe we've kinda gone off the deep end with that.
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And I wonder how that might, in your mind, is related to, like, audios specifically.
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So we've got these selfies, and now we've got this kind of
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self-recording of our audios.
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Tell me what you think about that.
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I mean, I'm not against selfies, right?
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I take selfies myself on a good hair day, on a good makeup day.
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Like, sure.
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I mean, when you make recordings of your own voice and when you take part in this
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professional dancing, video shootings you somehow get to interact with the
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part of yourself that you don't normally have access to, you know, that other
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people do have access to but you don't.
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And I know for a fact that sometimes that comes with a great deal
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of discomfort for many people.
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The thing is, I think this discomfort gives you a lot of
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information and it gives you a lot of very interesting insights.
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you know, this is the power of the reality, and that is created by this
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product that we call the recording, right?
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It's either the recording or the video, right?
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I'm talking about the dance class.
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And, like, if I really dive deeper, you have the opportunity to take
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part in a professional shooting.
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And when it's a professional camera with a videographer, and you rent a studio
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everything just looks real, real serious.
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And to top it off, you have 25 people around you looking at you.
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And like that just really adds up to the overall anxiety, of course.
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So this is not just you sitting at home recording your own voice.
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In your pajamas.
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Yes.
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And just listening and analyzing mistakes and what could be improved
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or what could be done better.
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This is the real thing, right?
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That's uh, that gives you chills and that gives you everything.
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Really, if you think about it, when you overcome this stress and this
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discomfort, because, like, after when you watch the video, you kind of, where
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you become hyper-aware of the flaws, because this is the professional setting.
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Like, the makeup is off or, like, some of the movements you're not
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really satisfied with the results.
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There is a lot of anxiety, right?
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But the next time you watch it… But you know what?
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This is actually like, taking you to the next level because, like, if you
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record yourself, you think about it, if you do that as often as possible you are
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preparing yourself for public speaking.
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I don't know if you need that, but that's a great preparation.
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That's a great tool to do that in the future.
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The same with the dancing.
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Like, if you rehearse by yourself and you make videos and you ask your fellow
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dancers to make videos of you during rehearsals, and it's gonna be easier.
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I mean, it's not perfect, but it's gonna be easier to perform
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in a professional setting.
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Yeah.
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And you're gonna pick up all those little details from the recording that because
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of maybe your stress or your performance anxiety with 25 people watching you,
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maybe you don't realize, you think you did something or didn't do something, and
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then you have no idea until later, 'cause you can't possibly think of everything.
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You know, there's a lot.
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But it gets better, I think, with time.
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Let's say you became a dancer who went to a professional shoot every day, Probably
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that habit would then make it easier and easier and easier, and you could focus
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less on the other people in the room and more on those little, tiny details, which
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I think is probably similar to, like we said, audio recordings that you can do.
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It's way less pressure.
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You know you can do it at home.
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And, you know, hair doesn't have to be perfect, your makeup.
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You're not probably wearing a tight dress or heels- Right … that
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make it more difficult.
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So it's actually probably a lot easier, but the same thing probably, right?
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I'm sure you've been with clients where you recorded yourself or they
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recorded themselves, and then you heard all these extra details you
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probably or they weren't even expecting.
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Has that happened to you?
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All the time.
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All the time.
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Every time you make the recording, you hear those little, you
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hear these little details.
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Yes.
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That's the beauty of it- You have to … really.
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Exactly.
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You don't even expect it.
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And to say something else too, we have in our, like, ecosystem, let's say.
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We have our teachers club.
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We have our accent academy.
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We also have office hours.
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And so three times a week sometimes we'll see people, and every once
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in a while you'll get somebody like William, who's our moderator, and
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I've done several podcasts with him.
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He'll say, " I didn't just say that." And I'll be like "Oh no?
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Check the recording." And he's like, "Fine, I'm gonna check the recording."
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And most of the time he's like, "Oh, I did say…" And I have to admit, every once in
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a while, like, he's right and I'm wrong.
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So the recording exists.
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Like we said, it's an objective reflection of this thing.
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'Cause our memories are faulty.
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Inside of our head we're thinking one way and the world sees something else.
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So yeah, exactly.
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Choose the seeds that you want to water, and choose the emotions that you wanna
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water and bring to the surface, right?
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So just shift the to the positive side, really.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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'Cause we said a lot of times we don't record ourselves because of fear
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or anxiety or some other thing too.
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But yeah, what if we focused on, wow, I'm gonna get a lot of
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benefits out of this, you know?
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Maybe it'll be a little awkward, but what kind of growth isn't, you know?
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Like, like whenever we grow, it's always some kind of awkward but it's
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always better, you know, in the end, so.
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Yeah.
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It's just don't let your inner judgment override the commitment to growth.
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Oh, I love that.
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'Cause that's something that you could say each and every time, right?
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And I wanna add that self-recording, this is a powerful too that helps you improve
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your pronunciation, but if you really think about it, you know, maybe even,
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like, from the psychological perspective, it really helps you claim your voice.
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And when you claim your voice, it becomes persuasive, it becomes powerful.
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It becomes respected.
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Claiming your voice and having that authenticity behind it.
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Maybe it's because we don't record ourselves and until we do, we
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can kind of see through other people's eyes, like, who we are.
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Maybe we're afraid to see ourselves in a way we don't want to, and
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so that's why we don't do it.
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Right.
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But maybe one way to reclaim that is literally to start
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recording yourself again.
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And say
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it's almost like the bravery of saying like, "Oh, this is really uncomfortable,
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but if I can bear through that discomfort, then the gains are really important."
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The benefits you're gonna get from that are really make it worth it, right?
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They're worth the discomfort.
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Of course, I mean, that's when you get into this I mean, it's vulnerable.
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You kind of, face this vulnerability, but you get to be this wholly,
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authentically you at the same time, and you gotta embrace that and just
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make friends with that part of yourself.
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Exactly.
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That's a good point, too, because, like, maybe it's related to school and how
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we learned and like, oh, mistakes are bad and like only be the best and only
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show your good side, that kind of thing.
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But like you said, embracing the whole thing is gonna give you a clarity that
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if you can see mistakes, for example, let's say you're recording yourself
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and I'm telling you, I'll give you an example.
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In Spanish right because I'm living in Mexico now.
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In my head, my Spanish is perfect.
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Let me tell you.
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Like, absolutely.
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But no, when I speak now, I can see people's faces they're working hard.
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They're trying to figure out what I'm saying sometimes because I got the
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ending of the word wrong or, you know, in Spanish and English, we write with
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five vowel letters, but in English we have, like, over 20 vowel sounds.
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So me going into Spanish, I'm saying all different kinds of A's, right?
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They only have one A. So in my head, it's very different
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than when it comes out, right?
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And that's not me recording.
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That's just live and seeing people's reaction.
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So think about if you were just by yourself, not with other
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people, you could fix that.
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You could say, "Oh my God, I said ca instead of ca," or " I
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said g instead of k", right?
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You're like, "What's wrong with me?
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I know that I can hear that.
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That's not a G, that's a K. That, That's a different sound." Wouldn't
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it be great if we all had a little bit of, I don't know if it's confidence
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or discipline to do that a little bit more often so that you didn't end up
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like me with the person going "I wonder what she's trying to say right now,"
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as for, you know, this other people's reaction, I mean, I wanna
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object to that because that's maybe you seeing this weird reaction.
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Maybe it's not even there.
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Could be, too.
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Absolutely.
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That could be my lack of self-confidence, right?
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I think that there is a bit of a look I get a, a bit of a lean, a little-
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the pupils dilate a little bit.
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I do feel like there is something that I notice.
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'Cause then some people will wait 'cause my Spanish is not
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as good as you might think it is.
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And I'm kinda was thrown into the fire with this new group that I'm
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in, and so I'm speaking a lot more Spanish suddenly, but without,
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like we said, revising, right?
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Without, like- Any kind of pr- well, very minimal prep, let's say.
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But one thing I could be doing, and I'm super guilty of this, I know other people
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don't do it in English, but in Spanish I'm not recording myself as much as I should.
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And part of it is because maybe I do need that self-confidence, or maybe it
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is uncomfortable, you know, to do that.
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So yeah.
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Yeah, tell me more about either of those thoughts for self-confidence or discomfort
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that you might be thinking about.
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Yeah, you know what?
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I'm not reinventing the wheel here saying that if you wanna work on your
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pronunciation, if you wanna work on your accent making those recordings is
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something that could really take you to the next level, and it's a really powerful
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and helpful tool in your accent journey.
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But yeah, I mean you have to overcome, you have to override this discomfort first.
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Maybe like dancing, right?
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So you were in this professional shooting, right?
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You had a dance class and then you had this professional recording,
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this session of this shooting, and did you watch the replay of that?
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Did you say, "Oh, I should have lifted my leg more," or, "Oh, I'm noticing…
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Ooh, I did a really good job there"?
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Like, what do you feel like you learned when you were watching your recordings?
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Maybe I should just go back a little bit and give you like, this backstory.
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So, um, i've always had a knack for accents and phonetics, and
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I've always wanted to do that.
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And even when I was working as a project manager somewhere deep
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inside I felt like, yeah, I think I'm gonna get there somehow one day.
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And-
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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And then I just, like past couple of years I dedicated just enrolling in different
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courses and finishing the courses and getting the experience and the theory
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and just getting my first students.
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And I started recording myself.
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I started making my first recordings, and yes, that felt
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really strange at first, right?
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I don't think that I've been self-conscious and about my accent, but
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uh, still, I mean, that just felt weird.
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I cannot really explain that.
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That was me greeting and saying hello to me, you know, to myself.
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So,
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and that's not new, like you said.
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Not just the idea of let's talk about how recording yourself is important, right?
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Yeah, we're not reinventing anything.
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Like we all know drinking a certain amount of water every day is really
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good, and don't forget to sleep as much as you need to, right?
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We know it, but how many of us do it regularly?
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Like it's not the easiest habit, I think, recording yourself.
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But once you get into it then, yeah, it becomes easier, right?
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You see more little things the more you do it.
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It just becomes a habit, we could say, right?
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And to go back to the idea of like this is nothing new, I think this
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has been, since like, historic times.
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Basically with the Greeks, I imagine, right?
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Like, I I feel like this has always been a story, don't you think?
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Of course.
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I happen to know this myth about Athena.
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It's about like Athena and the invention of the flute.
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She got mocked.
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So she was playing, sh- she was playing the flute and she got mocked
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by her fellow goddesses because her face started turning blue, and her-
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like her cheeks were puffing out.
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And they were mocking her.
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They were just making fun of her.
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And then she went to the forest and she looks at the reflection in the
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water, right, in the river, whatever.
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And yeah, she got convinced.
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She saw that her face was distorted when she was playing the flute, and she
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just uh, rejected the whole thing, and she cursed it, and she cursed anyone
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who would ever try playing it again.
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Yeah.
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Can you imagine, like, uh, how relevant this is?
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How that really proves the point that you really have to- she was
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kind of uh, experiencing this shock.
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Yeah.
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The self-reflection and the reality.
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And she was not ready for it.
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But, you know, this is us, like, experiencing the shock
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of hearing our own voices.
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This is me experiencing this kind of a shock of watching this first video
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that I made after like, a dance class.
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Okay, let me just first finish with the story like with Athena
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because I don't think I'm done here.
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So yeah, the idea is had she not rejected, had she not cursed this
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instrument, she would have evolved, right?
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She would have progressed.
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She would have made progress.
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That's really important to think about when you think of people abandoning like
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some valuable creations and some valuable skills because of this poor self-image.
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Yes, and can I pause you for a quick second?
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Because you made me think of something I think is really powerful for most people.
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Two things, actually, right?
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o- nu- Number one, let's say I'm Athena, and I'm like, "What are you girls talking
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about? My face isn't distorted. My cheeks aren't puffy when I play the flute." And
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then I look, and let's remember, she's looking down at, like, a lake, and so
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probably- that also makes her look worse.
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but then she's like, "Ugh, this is terrible. You guys were right."
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Throw the flute in the lake probably, and curse the flute
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yes, throw it away.
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And never touched it again, right?
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Like you said, what a pity that because of that she didn't progress, and other
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people weren't able to hear the beautiful music she could have made, right?
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And that just made me think that, oh my… Like, a lot of people,
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when we do record ourselves the first time, this is no surprise to
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anyone, guys, it's gonna be terrible.
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It's gonna be awful.
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The way you sound in your head, bouncing around inside your skull,
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is not the way the world hears you.
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And if you don't know that already, then that's gonna be a shocking truth, right?
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So like, - be prepared for that.
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And then, step two, get over it, because that is actually
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the way the world hears you.
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It's just the first time you've heard it.
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Two things.
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Number one, wouldn't it be a pity if you gave up after the first recording because
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you yourself wouldn't improve, right?
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And then the way other people hear you too, that you're almost robbing
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them the benefit of your future benefits, I wanna say, right?
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So, like, wow.
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Like, people, just be prepared.
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It's gonna sound weird.
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But it's so valuable, not only because you're gonna progress, but number
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two, if you record yourself, let's say the first time, and who knows,
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five years later, five months later, five days later, you look at another
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recording and you can compare them, then you can see the progress, right?
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And if you never do it that first time, I have a lot of people who
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are like "Nah, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna get started."
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And they do great.
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And of course, they progress.
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You're gonna progress.
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But then they don't have anything to compare it to in the beginning,
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and you can never go back.
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You can never be that bad again, you know?
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And I think it's a shame.
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Even if you keep it secret, even if you keep it for yourself, still start
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recording, you know, as soon as possible.
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So what do you think?
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let's go back to that.
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What are some things you think are the benefits of recording yourself, right?
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More specifically, what do you feel like you can learn from recording?
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What do you listen for?
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for example
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what am I listening for?
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Yeah, maybe in your own recordings, in your own experience, or maybe
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in those of clients, right?
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Or maybe how you even teach clients.
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Say, "Hey, listen for this vowel.
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Here's how you listen for syllable stress.
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This is what I'm listening for.
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This is what I want you to listen for."
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Do you have any specific things that you say, "Hey, recordings
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are really helpful for this"?
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First of all yeah, I do work with recordings.
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I encourage my students to make recordings.
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The first thing that I'm trying to push them to notice is the progress.
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You know, it's just to consciously shift their focus to the strength and
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to the progress and to the positive things, because I'm a believer that
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will help them progress further.
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And as for, you know, this technicality, it really depends on the sound or, like,
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what is it exactly that we're working on.
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Uh, With the prosody, yes, it's you know, this musicality.
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That's important to, like, replay the audio and tell them what is
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it that I'm hearing and actually say what I wanna hear, right?
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And as for the sound, I'm trying to make corrections like, on the
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go when we're talking because this is the, you know, the muscle work.
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I'm trying to, like, really understand what is it exactly that
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is going on inside their mouth.
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So yeah, I think uh, recordings are really great for prosody.
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Like really fixating that progress and working on your prosody.
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I wanna jump in there too for a second because you said, "Oh,
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there's other things that I can focus on live too." And that made
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me think, yeah, because guess what?
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Like, all those skills are transferable.
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Well- One reason we're recording ourself is to hear how other people
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hear us and get used to that.
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So that when we then talk, let's say spontaneously, right?
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Then we can kinda replay that almost in our head, and we can say
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like " I know what they're hearing.
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I know why they find it off a little bit." Right?
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I said get instead of got, for example, right?
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Ah, 'cause I know what it's like to be them, to hear me.
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'Cause I've heard my own recordings, right?
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So the skills are transferable, and that's just so much more
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effective adding that layer.
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Could I do it without ever recording myself?
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Like, yeah, I'd get there, but I can guarantee that it
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goes a lot faster, you know?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Did you ever, um… You know the, the s- the Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps, No?
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You've never heard of him?
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Okay.
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So he's probably the person who's won the most gold Olympic medals
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in history, Michael Phelps.
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And you think, "How did this guy win so many gold medals," right?
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His coach used to say to him all the time, "Put in the tape. Play the tape," right?
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"Watch the tape." And what does that mean?
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Every night before he would go to bed and every day kind of during practice,
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he would play in his mind, it would be like a recording in his mind that he had
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created, what's the perfect swim race?
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What does it look like?
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Every stroke, jumping off the block, touching the wall, turning
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around, every single minute.
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He was watching in his head what that perfection would look like.
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And he said when he would practice then, he would be matching that, right?
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So I think that kind of…
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I know, it's, again, it's visual, but I feel like that idea of we can practice
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and we can then match these things too.
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So if I have a recording of me and I have a recording of you, let's say I'm doing
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a, I don't know, an old Michelle Obama speech, and I've seen her do the speech.
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And then I'm gonna do the speech.
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Wow, isn't that even powerful, even more powerful to compare these two, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So when we were talking about that, that Michael Phelps thing came
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to mind, 'cause I thought, "Oh, yeah, that's a an interesting kinda
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correlation." Meaning yeah meaning, like, we can reach that, right?
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We can visualize it.
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And I know visualizing a tape is literally visual, but our ability to hear those
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little things is way better than we at first think, and you'll get better
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and better when you record yourself.
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Same recording, I don't know if this has happened to you,
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same recording, same client.
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You're like, "Oh, did you hear that R? R, R, R, R, R." Oh, we're listening for Rs.
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Next day you'll say, "Oh, let's listen for the, the THs," right?
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Well, yesterday they couldn't have even heard the THs, and now they're
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like, "Oh, my God, I'm hearing Rs and THs." Next day you're gonna say,
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"Hey let's think about this dark L.
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You said a dark L. Did you know?" "No, what's a dark L?" So you're
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building, and you're building so much more, because once you get it, you
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can add, I think, extra layers there.
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So same recording, right?
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You do the job once and you can use it many, many times.
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So any other advice, any other thoughts that you have about like
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what can benefit us about recording?
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Like, we're getting more comfortable, we're getting more confident.
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A lot of people focus kind of obsessively on their mistakes, right?
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But I love your take on it because it's like, look what you're doing right.
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Look at how you're progressing.
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Look at all the positive things you're doing, and maybe you
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didn't notice these before.
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So I don't know if you've had that with clients where you've been able
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to say like "Oh, remember all those Rs we used to catch all the time?
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Listen to this recording.
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Fabulous.
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Look at that.
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Pat yourself on the back." I don't know if you've had um sessions like that.
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through
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I've had sessions like that.
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Just, that was just so cool to get that also like a very positive feedback
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from a student saying that, "Yeah, finally, I finally hear that. Progress"
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So nice.
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And to me it comes both sides, positive, like I don't even
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think mistakes are negative.
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It all comes down to noticing and our ability to notice, 'cause we
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kinda go through life like kinda listening rather than, or hearing I
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should say, rather than listening.
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Mm-hmm.
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we can be quite passive about it.
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But you would be so surprised, guys listening to this now, listening to the
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podcast, if you start recording yourself and then you could take one recording and
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listen to it on so many levels, and you'd be shocked of all the teeny, tiny things
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that you maybe never listened to before.
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And I'm gonna, I'm gonna take this moment to say that's what we do in our,
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what we call Accent Academy, right?
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We have people listening to each other, listening to themselves.
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You're fantastic, Polly.
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When you come to our club, when you come as a teacher, 'cause you're giving
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back so much information for people that literally, literally, they can't
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hear it themselves sometimes, right?
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Sometimes it's what we call a mistake and people are like, "Oh, silly me, I haven't
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had my coffee. I knew that." Right?
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I said get instead of got.
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And but sometimes they're like, " really?
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That's what I sound like?
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That's what, I did that?
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I don't remember doing that."
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And it just like, people's eyes just light up because they're noticing
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something they've never seen before.
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And they're so happy I think to receive that feedback from you.
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So on that note, tell us where we can find you, Polly.
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Like, where can other people get in touch with you now?
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What's the best place?
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It's my Telegram channel.
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I just started it maybe a couple of weeks ago, but I'm planning
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to, you know, post regularly.
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And just have a great time with my subscribers, with the audience,
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and uh, share my knowledge and my experience and just you know, be in
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this great connection with the people.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, connection, I think you said connection.
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And to me it was there was another thing you said.
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So reaching out.
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That was my thought here.
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You're reaching out now with your Telegram channel to see people where they're
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at, and say to them, "Hey, I'm here.
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This is me." And we could even say there's visual, right?
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There's audio, and now you're, posting, too.
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That's something that for everybody, right?
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There's always the first time, and the first time's not necessarily easy.
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But do it anyway, guys, because just like recording, the first time
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is not gonna be easy, but you're gonna be grateful that you did it.
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Do it now.
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Your whole point is to make mistakes.
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This should be your worst recording ever, and you should see the progress.
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And if you don't, that's probably the problem.
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But how can you gauge that?
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How can you judge that if you don't start somewhere, you know?
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So yeah.
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I just wanna say that you have a great tool at your disposal, and you have the
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power to, I mean, make those recordings while you're feeling comfortable like
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you're at home and it's all quiet.
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And uh, you, can just, I don't know, just do several times and delete.
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You have the power to delete the recording that you didn't really like you know?
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And just do that one more time.
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I mean, just g- grab the reins and do that, really.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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The delete button is really powerful, right?
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Hey, if it's the worst thing ever just get rid of it.
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Like, why not, you know?
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You don't need to leave the evidence around.
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Imagine if Athena in the past had a recording device for her flute, right?
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She's playing the flute, first time ever, 'cause I think she invented it.
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and then people are like, "Oh, but your face, Athena. You look terrible." She's
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like, "Damn flute." But then we never got the recordings of the flute. Maybe if
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she had heard her music, she'd be like, "I don't care what my face looks like.
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I'm gonna continue with this music." Like, that's powerful, too.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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And again, not to beat a dead horse, guys, yeah, record yourself.
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We're not the first people to say it.
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We're not gonna be the last.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's important to keep saying it, right?
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So one thing that a lot of people say, and I want everyone to remember this, is
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that the perfect is the enemy of the good.
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We think if it's not perfect, it's not good.
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Good is good enough, right?
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Done is better than perfect.
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So keep that in mind, guys, as you're recording.
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And if you haven't, start recording and uh, we'll say, thank
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you, guys, for watching this.
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You know, thank, it, both of us, we can say there was a time when I had not
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recorded, and I had a first recording too, and if you search in YouTube, you're
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gonna see some funny stuff I'm sure.
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But I wouldn't be where I am today, which still isn't great,
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but I wouldn't have made the progress had I not gotten started.
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Right?
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So Thank you, Polly, for, like, thinking of this idea, this topic and
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bringing it to fruition, and coming with me to talk about it today,
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'cause it's important for everybody.
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Thank you.
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I really appreciate the opportunity to be here
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Awesome
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and talk about it today.
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Yeah, thank you so much.
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Yeah.
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And I'm sure we'll have other podcast episodes too, so we
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won't say goodbye forever.
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We'll say, goodbye to the audience, and we'll say see you later, guys.
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See you next time.
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Bye, everybody.
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Okay.
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See you soon.
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Well, we all have to start somewhere.
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And if you want a good laugh, you go right over to my YouTube channel and
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search for the oldest video I have.
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Thanks for listening all the way to the end, everyone.
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I always have a little secret that I wanna share with those that
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stick around and listen to the end.
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And today, what I wanna tell you is actually kind of related to the episode.
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Because the one thing that always helps me record myself is to
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have little kind of rituals.
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And for me, the most important ritual is to, number one, brush my
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teeth, and number two, spray a little perfume on before the recording.
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Seems silly, I know, because no one's gonna see it or smell it or hear it,
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but I do think that this is the way that I prepare before I hit record.
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And you know, you might think it's funny, but it works for me.
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I just feel like I'm putting my best foot forward.
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It makes me a bit more confident, and I also, I kind of feel connected
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to those future people who might be watching or listening to this.
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And it's kind of weird, right?
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Because I feel like I'm with you there if I put on the perfume and
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I brush my teeth before I go out.
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Like if I were to meet you in person.
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So if you have any tips like that, I would love to hear about them.
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And what you can do is just join my community of accent enthusiasts totally
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for free, and you can talk about this and then send me these things.
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Anything that is accent related is totally welcome.
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And then finally, if you have a specific topic that you wanna hear about in
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another podcast episode, let me know and I'll try to make it a reality.
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And until then, I'll see you in the next episode