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Welcome to Changing Academic Life.
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I'm Geraldine Fitzpatrick, and this is
a podcast series where academics and
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others share their stories, provide
ideas, and provoke discussions about what
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we can do individually and collectively
to change academic life for the better.
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What do you think about writing?
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And how would you answer
the following questions?
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How do you write a book?
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Especially a book aimed at non-academics.
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What's your voice and how do you create
a writing routine that fits in your life?
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These are all questions that Graham
McAllister asked himself as he
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embarked on writing his book on games
usability after he sold his company.
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He calls them the soft
skills of writing books.
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And he wanted to use this book as a way
to explore the process of writing itself.
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So in this last of three parts of my
conversation with Graham, he shares
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his experiences about the art and
craft of writing that worked for him.
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He talks about his commitment to making
knowledge freely accessible about the
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process of discovering his writing voice.
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The importance of knowing your audience
and being able to communicate clearly and
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succinctly with them, and how the writing
process itself is highly iterative.
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He also shares the writing routine that
he set up, how he did that, and also
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how he set himself achievable goals.
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So he set himself up for
ongoing progress and success.
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And whether you are writing a book or
writing an academic paper for an academic
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audience, I think you'll find a lot to
take away from his experiences here.
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And towards the end, Graham also reflects
more generally on the implications of
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his work within academia and industry
and what's next for him possibly taking
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time again to reflect on the impact
of past mentors and the importance
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of thoughtful work life integration
and finishes with the call to us
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that we can design a better life.
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Enjoy this final part of my
conversation with Graham.
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You said before about after you sold
the company and you went away on
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holidays and you sat there and wrote
a book or started writing a book.
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And what I saw is this book is
freely available on your webpage.
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So talk us through the book, you
know, both the writing process, you
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know, what lessons we might learn.
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So I know that for many academics,
they have a book in them and it
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can be, feel really daunting.
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And also the decision to, to make
it freely and not try to get a
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publisher and make money from it.
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Graham: Yeah.
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Um, first thing is part of me
thinks knowledge should be free.
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Um, and I, I realize I'm a consultant,
but I, I realize the irony in saying
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that, but I hear I'm thinking of.
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Can I name specific publishers?
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Oh, no, I'll not, I'll not, I'll not.
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So there's academic publishers who,
even as an academic, I did not want
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to publish with because the research
was funded by the government or
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something like that, and then they
would charge to pay off that research.
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And I felt that research should be free.
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That's what I thought was fair.
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Wasn't paid for by you.
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I should be able to put that on my
website or my research group's website
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or the university's website so that
everyone can benefit from that.
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And that was one of my main frustrations
as a, as an academic was there's
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some great work out there, but
boy is it hard to get that, those
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findings out to the wider world.
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As someone who likes educating and
learning and sharing what's been learned.
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That is a major pain
point as an academic bit.
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That is a barrier.
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That is a usability
friction point to my work.
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Also an economic one.
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That if you're rich and if you want
to spend 50 dollars on a really boring
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academic paper that I wrote, you
could probably have access to that.
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But there's a lot of people where
50 dollars, even if you knew how
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to get it, is very difficult.
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So just that whole access thing
bothers me enormously with academia.
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Enormously.
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Um, so when I decided I want to
write a book, writing is thinking,
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I love thinking, I love working on
problems, I love thinking through
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the problems, I like clarifying the
thinking, like am I really answering
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the question that I think I'm working
on or am I not thinking clearly enough?
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So the whole writing thing is
a thinking thing, you know, I
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can't, I can't separate them out.
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Um, so that was partly it in terms of,
I knew I wanted to write a book and
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I A bit like, I have a lot of ideas.
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I think I come up with a lot of ideas.
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Usually when I'm running,
I, they just come out.
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I can't explain it.
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They just Blow out at a high rate, um,
so much so that my watch face when I'm
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running on my Apple Watch is the, the
note recorder, so I run along and I hit
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the, people usually have their Strava
times, like how fast they're running.
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Mine is to take ideas.
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So I have a button that
takes, takes ideas.
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Anyway, I turn around an
enormous amount of ideas.
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I had an idea for a series of books
on organizational psychology, and
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I really, well, that's interesting.
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I'm not short on ideas of what,
uh, how to help teams or design
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teams and thought, well, I better,
I better start writing then.
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You know, if I've got this series
of ideas, you have to begin, you
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have to actually do one, just
do one and see how it feels.
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And so the easiest thing for
me to write about is the field
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I've been in for the previous.
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I don't even know, 10, 20 years,
wherever it was, in terms of user
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research in the games industry, HCI.
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And I wasn't interested in the topic.
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I knew I knew enough to write
about it off the top of my head.
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I didn't need to read research
papers, but I was interested
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in the process of writing.
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How would I write?
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What is my voice?
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And then I thought back to what's
the problems I have with books,
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like why do I abandon books?
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And a lot of books even, I'm not going
to joke, I'm a famous American academic
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and I've tried to read two of his books.
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And that is hard work,
I've abandoned both.
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He's a CS professor and I like him on
podcasts, but his books are terrible!
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Sorry, I'm getting It's like he's got
one idea, and it could have been a
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really interesting 400 word article,
but it's just padded out to a book
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because a publisher said write a book.
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And I have a very low tolerance for that
BS, I must say, and I'm not having that.
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That's the other thing
I should write back.
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When I give a talk, I'm not very good at
putting up a Putting up with people's BS,
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I'm probably going to tell you like it is.
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Geri: mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm
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Graham: common thing.
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But it's evidence BS, it's
not just opinion usually.
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Anyway, so if I'm going to write a book,
I decided I was interested in the softer
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side, the soft skills of writing books.
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How do you write a book?
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What's my voice?
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How do I write?
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What fits in with my life?
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What works with me is definitely
not gonna fit in with you, you know?
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So I decided I'm gonna write
AM to:
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morning, two hours, because I
feel more creative in the morning.
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Some people feel more
creative in the evening.
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I used to when I was
younger, but not anymore.
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So I'm going in the morning, I write here
for two hours, and some days nothing may
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happen, but I'm not allowed to leave.
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I have to sit here for two
hours and I have to, I am.
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I'm encouraging myself to
write 200 words a day, minimum.
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But no, I may write more, and many
days I did write more, but I, I,
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I should leave with 200 words.
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That's like a paragraph.
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Like, surely I could write a paragraph.
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So that's 1, 000 words
a week, 200 words a day.
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I take the weekends off.
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I think I ended up working weekends
anyway, because I couldn't stop it.
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But the idea in the beginning
was Monday to Friday, 200 words,
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that's 1, 000 words a week.
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Um, so 4, 000 words a month.
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Uh, and I reckon I have the book
done 12, 000 words, whatever, in
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three months or something, whatever
it was, six months or 25, 000 words.
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It was that type of, I've got the,
I've got the math wrong, so someone's
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going to make fun of me, that's fine.
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But that was the idea, something simple.
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Uh, and then I'd go for a run after
that, do some form of exercise.
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That's what I think about what I wrote.
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And then the next morning, that
idea or what I had, what I ran
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would feed into the next morning.
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So there was this loop, right?
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I would write.
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I would do exercise where
most of the thinking happens.
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I would take the thinking and capture
it, not write about it, just feed
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that into the next morning's loop.
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And I kept that going.
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I wrote 25, 000 words or
something on the usability book.
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Um, but I wrote the book four times.
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I realized the first writing
was just getting the idea out.
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It was just a long bit back CS
professor who I'm criticizing.
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It was just like a, but it
wasn't repeating the same idea.
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At least it was more content,
but I realized that's kind of.
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Kind of reads like a book.
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I was, I was rethinking what a book meant.
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What does a book mean?
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A book means I'm sharing ideas
with someone and their ideas I
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think are useful, but why are they
always written in these long, you
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know, long chapters, like 20 pages?
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It's hard to keep 20 pages
of stuff in your mind.
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I don't think I could do that.
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I'm pretty sure I couldn't do that.
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So at some point I had this idea
of I'm going to chunk it up.
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Typical psychology, right?
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We'll chunk it up into how our mind works.
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And the original idea was
something like, I'll come up with
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a hundred ideas on usability.
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And the book will have some pun
around the number 100 or 99 or
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whatever crazy idea I had at the time.
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It ended up, I think there were 66 ideas.
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Uh, I didn't pad it out to 100, I think
I could have, but I was trying to be
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authentic, which is, well, it's 66.
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Maybe I should have done a route 66 pun.
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Maybe I could have made that work.
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But anyway, you see, I should
have went on another run, I think.
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Whatever the number ended up being,
I just felt that's the number.
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I'm not going to artificially
inflate it or reduce it to
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make it fit some clever title.
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Just, it was what it was.
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But I didn't care about the book itself.
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Um, so the book was an
exercise in me writing.
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I love the writing.
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I love the thinking.
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I love the rethinking
of what a book meant.
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Um, I put it on my
website for free in:
2023
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Um, as we're speaking now in January 25,
I'm just, I'm going through the process
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of getting it on the Kindle in print.
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Because the book I really want
to write, the book on game
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vision, I want to get that book.
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That's the book I really want to write.
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I did not want to write
a book on game usability.
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I wanted to write a book.
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Um, so this was the, me practicing
the habit and the, the art of writing.
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So I was not interested in the
technical side, the idea, which
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most academics are interested in.
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The domain knowledge they have.
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It's everything else, which is,
well, even if I can communicate my
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domain knowledge, how do I do that?
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I thought through how best to
get that idea out there, um,
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rather than just saying, oh,
it's going to be in 10 chapters.
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I'll break it up.
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I think you can do, you can
rethink that a bit more.
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Rather than just, well, these
are the 10 chapters, I'll write
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the 10 chapters and get it done.
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Technically, you could do that.
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What else?
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You know, what else could you do?
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So, um, I don't know what
the next book will be.
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Maybe it will be a boring,
these are 10 chapters, and it
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could end up being that way.
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Um, but you at least think about it.
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You know, what, think through.
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My case, I was teaching the game
usability, but with teaching someone
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else how to how to do a thing.
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So it made sense for it to be in 66 steps
because that's actually what you're doing.
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You're following this step wise through.
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That's how you would teach it effectively.
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So it made sense to follow.
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It was like me sitting down beside
someone and teaching them how to do it.
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I would follow through and
tell them, these are the
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steps you need to go through.
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So it's a teaching book, so it makes
sense to follow the teaching format.
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The game vision one, I don't know where
it's going to be yet because I think
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I could take it in different ways.
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I could just tell you, these are the
problems with mental models on teams.
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That could be an interesting
book by itself, right?
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It's just, I'm just raising awareness.
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of saying, well, these are typical things
that crop up and you should find this
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interesting because it explains lots
of psychological problems on teams.
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It explains why you've got friction
between management and creative.
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For example, that's a known
psychological problem that came up.
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But then you went to the model and
you can tell people, here's why.
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And let me point to some solutions.
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And my MSc thesis was half
these are the problems.
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And then I introduced a
model at the second half.
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And I say, here's my model.
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That solves all those problems.
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Maybe, maybe I don't
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Geri: Mm hmm.
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No, I think that's a really interesting
process that you've been through
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and I love that the first book was
about finding your voice and finding
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your rhythm of writing and, and
that it still had a clear purpose.
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Its goal was to educate people, you
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tool to walk through these steps.
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Did it also provide some sort of
closure as well to that phase?
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Graham: I think so.
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I think, um, I don't have any
intentions of going back in that career.
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I don't think that's,
that's a very unlikely path.
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Um, so I think it was
good just to summarize.
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I was reading at one point,
why do people write books?
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And that came up as a reason for sure.
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One is, you know, sharing knowledge,
but other is closure, which is, well,
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I've spent my time in this career.
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What really have I learned?
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And if you can't even write a book on
what you spent 20 years doing, it's
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not, it's not interesting by itself.
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There was a series of books I could
have written on user research.
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I don't, you know, that's not the
career for me anymore, so they
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will look for me in my ideas file.
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But I took one and just
said that's the easiest one.
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I can still take value in that and
give value to others, and I can
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learn more about myself as a writer.
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You know, I can learn how I
write, or do I, it could have
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been, I do not enjoy writing.
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Like, I learned, for example, I
don't like making YouTube videos.
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I started a YouTube channel at one
point, and what I realized really
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quick was, I do not like making videos.
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I have no interest in doing that.
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Geri: What did you not like about it?
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Graham: it was very time consuming
and the technical side of it wasn't
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a skill that I wanted to develop.
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Um, I also felt that I wasn't,
it wasn't personally satisfying.
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Writing, I felt, satisfied me.
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I felt I was thinking deeper and
quicker and I did not get that from
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making a video for whatever reason.
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Maybe some people do,
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get on and write one and see.
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the thing that people find hardest
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when it's about procrastination,
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Graham: And that's why I set myself a
really low goal, like 200 words per day.
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It's so low.
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thinking surely anyone could write,
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you could do that over a tea break,
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You're not allowed to do no
exercise, you have to do some,
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Graham: But you can't, can't do nothing.
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That's a bad, that's a bad,
you know, result, outcome.
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Geri: You're not setting yourself
up to fail by having unrealistic
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It seems like you're still trying to
find the, the clear why for the next
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book you've got the topic area, and
it's more, is that, you know, to, to
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sort of more like unpack or communicate
these things for people's awareness?
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Or is it about a how to do the, yeah.
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My, my main goal for 2025
is to write that book.
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Now I've got a thesis, an MSc thesis
on that topic, and part of me thinks
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I could just, you know, repurpose
that, um, which is one option.
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Um, but I'm not sure it's
practical enough for me.
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I'm not sure it's gonna, I think
people want to know what does it do.
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Geri: Yeah.
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Graham: And obviously
that's why I designed it.
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It is designed to do something.
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It's not just an academic thesis.
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There's a practical, heavy
practical element to it.
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So some people solve that by
writing a theory book and a field
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workbook or some sort of, some
of these books behind me here.
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I realize your people can't,
listeners can't see it, but
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there's a bookshelf behind me.
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And it's common to write two books,
the exercise book and the theory book.
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Um, and that could be useful because
I plan to take this into a workshop.
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I'm already starting doing that, actually.
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So there is a workshop component, and
so I should write like that if I know
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what I'm going to do with the book, or
if I know how people are going to use
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it, I should write with that in mind.
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It's not a book, no one reads about
mental models on a Sunday morning, it's
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not the book you pick up, you know, or go
to bed with a shared mental models book.
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So I have to think through, well,
how are people going to use my book?
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I know they're going to do
an exercise at some point.
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But I like the bite sized format that I
learned in the previous one, which is If
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you read two pages, it takes you a minute.
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If I can't tell you something interesting
in two pages, am I communicating?
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Because I think there should be
something interesting within a few
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minutes to keep your attention.
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Um, and if it's just waffle, then
cut it back to the CS professor.
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There's a lot, I would find no
tolerance for that type of book.
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Um, and there's a good idea in there,
but it just could have been said.
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I feel it's going to be used
in a different way, let's say.
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Geri: That's knowing your, uh, intent,
intended audience as well in a way.
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Graham: I think so as well, because
my audience is not academics.
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It's going to be people who
want to solve the problem.
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However, I'm not going to shy
away from the academic nature.
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I can imagine I would be
putting academic references.
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Geri: Uh,
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Graham: That's my current idea.
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I might backtrack on this in this
because I think I want people to know
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that this is underpinned by science.
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Because there's lots of people who've
written, well not, there's lots of
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people who've got ideas in the game
industry for vision, shared vision.
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But it's just an idea.
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They're like, oh, I think this works.
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And I would ask, well, how do you know?
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And they would say something
generic like, well, I asked
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the team and they say it works.
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And I'm the other end of the scale.
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It's like, well, I'm interested
in the proof behind that.
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So my model will prove
if the team is aligned.
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That's why I designed it.
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Because I was tired of people
saying, oh, we're definitely aligned.
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People say there's no problem
here, and so I designed it, you
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know, so I'm always interested in
here's how I got to that answer.
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And if you want to read that
too, I'm going to pinpoint you to
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the very things that I learned.
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So I want to trade that, instead of
dumbing the book down and saying,
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here's academia, and I'm going to
remove all the hard slogs that we would
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read as academic papers, I'm going to
remove all that and just distill it.
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I'm instead going to say, I want to
bring you up and elevate your knowledge.
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And it's going to be a little
bit tricky, but I think it's
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going to be worth it for you.
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So that's my current thinking.
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Geri: Yeah, and that seems like a skill
you've really developed well is that
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communicating to people why it matters.
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Graham: I think, and I think that's
the reason, I think, if you write a
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book that's hard to read, and you can't
tell people why it's worth it to read
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through it, they're probably abandoned.
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But if you tell people in advance, this
is not going to be the easiest of reads.
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There probably would be
an easier way to say this.
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But, I think you will get more from
it by going through this journey.
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This is likely harder to read.
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There's going to be academic jargon.
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I'll explain it to you.
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You will benefit stronger if
you stick with it, and I'm going
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to do my best job I can to not
write a long, woefully long book.
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I'm going to help you, to elevate you,
to bring this academic terminology
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and models into your thinking, rather
than keep it out of your thinking.
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I don't think I'm doing you any
favors by removing it from your
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thinking and your mental model.
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My job is to improve you, but I
have to, the journey's going to be
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a little bit of, Be a bit tricky.
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Not as hard as an MSc or a PhD,
but it's not a blog article
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on, you know, Medium either.
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It's, it's in between.
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Geri: That's probably good food for
thought for people, especially with the
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increasing push to impact, which requires
a different sort of communication skill.
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We should wrap up.
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So what next for Graham McAllister?
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There's the book and you said
about starting to do consulting.
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Graham: I, I, I honestly don't know.
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know.
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I do think this is the final career.
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So I guess, I don't know how
you phrase your life journey.
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But I think this is the, this is the
wind down phase, for sure, right?
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Um, I don't work five days a week, or, I
don't work five days a month, you know.
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So, and that's my design,
it's not for anything else.
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Could that change?
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Yes.
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So this is another one of those
dots where I'm saying, I am here,
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and I spent five years going back
to LSE and designing a model.
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And that model shows that the game
industry is, Missing a substantial,
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you know, explains their problem, and I
could bring that into the game industry.
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And all I know is I have to
bring that to the game industry
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Geri: in some format.
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Uh, Um, Uh,
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Graham: format.
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And I imagine if we speak in two years
I don't know what I would say, right?
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I could say it turned into nothing, or I
tried and I failed, I tried to tell them
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and they wouldn't listen, or I designed
this model and someone built on it and
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now it's this amazing thing, and you can
imagine all the ways that could go, um,
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and I do not know, and I'm okay with that.
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I'm
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Geri: I was just going to
ask, is it scary or exciting?
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Graham: No no.
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It's more on the exciting end, I think.
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The final part, the final, final
part, I think is bringing it maybe
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to people outside of video games.
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As you hinted at, this is a human problem.
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This is a team problem.
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Whenever a group of people get together,
they have an alignment problem.
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And that alignment problem generically
is caused by language and the
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structure of their mental model.
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And yes, we could talk about
values and things like that.
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But that's what's causing
the friction ultimately.
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And so if we can generalize that
and say, well, here's a mental, the
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general mental model for any team, but
we know you'll need to refine it for
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your industry, while our team works in
the automotive industry, or space, or
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healthcare, or fintech, or I get it.
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But generally speaking, this is a
way of thinking, and again, that's
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one of the book outlines that I
could write, is saying, generalizing
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that to teams, uh, of any type.
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So I spoke to a publisher years ago,
pitching the Game Vision project.
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This is 2020 maybe 5 years ago, and this
is a famous publisher in the States,
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and they said they nodded and listened
and went, yes, interesting, interesting.
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Could you write that?
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So it's useful for any team.
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So they wanted to, you know, they said
they'd publish the game book if I wanted,
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but the book they were really interested
in is the thinking behind that model
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and applying that to the wider audience.
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And I said, well, that's not me.
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It's not my passion.
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But in 2025, since going back to LSE and
seeing models with any organization, I
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do know, I think, yeah, I could see how I
would go about writing that book as well.
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So I don't know, but I can see, you
know, um, I could imagine maybe just
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writing books for the end of my, my
final working career where, and you
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give a few talks on them and a few
workshops and you love doing it.
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And there's nothing wrong
with that path at all.
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You know, I don't see.
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Geri: So it's a lovely example
of You never know where life will
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take you and you can pivot your
career in many different ways.
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And you're still applying a lot of
your core skills around, you know, like
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as you've talked about, identifying
interesting problems and being able to
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articulate them, getting to the why,
what's behind it, how do we solve them,
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how do we bring methods to solving them,
how do we communicate the findings.
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So there's a lot of those red
threads as well through all the work.
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Graham: I think so.
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I think so.
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It's like, why do these
problems keep happening?
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If you're like an organization
or research group.
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And you're seeing recurring problems.
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What on earth?
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Why is that happening?
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What's going on there?
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You know, so I think people, I think it's
an interesting time for us to talk because
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people are rethinking what work is.
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This has been a common trend since
COVID in particular, and they're
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saying, well, okay, I go to work,
I get money because I need money
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to pay the rent, blah, blah, blah.
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I get it.
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But what about me?
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What about my, what do I bring?
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Am I fulfilled going to work?
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Um, this work life balance, you know, is
it going to work to get money, but your
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life starts at 5pm when you come home
and do it the things you want to do.
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And then people rebelled
against that idea quite rightly
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saying, well, could they not?
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Can we not have both?
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Can we not go to work
and feel happy there too?
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Can I bring myself to work?
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Why do I have these two identities?
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So this, all of this, the underlying theme
between everything we were talking about,
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and I apply this particularly to the game
industry, which has had a horrific Three
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years of companies closing and people
crying in car parks and losing their jobs.
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And the other line, you could
ask me, why did I do game vision?
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I've tried to give you some answers,
but the bottom answer, the root cause
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of all of this is people are having
a really horrible time at work.
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And yes, we could say it's partly
leadership and culture, and
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that's true, but we can fix it.
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We can have, we can design a better life,
whether you're in the video game industry
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or academia or wherever you're in.
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Um, it could definitely be better.
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I don't know how much better,
but it could be better.
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That's what I would say.
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I think people are starting to pay
more attention to that, uh, over the
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last five years, which is good to see.
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Geri: Yes.
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Definitely.
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Totally agree.
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Well, Graham, this has been wonderful
catching up and such an interesting
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story and so much in it to reflect
on, on lots of different levels.
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So anything that we haven't talked about
that you would have wanted to cover?
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Graham: I don't think so.
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I think, you know, you've had
a huge influence on my life.
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That's the final thing.
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Because multiple times, I don't know why.
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You accepted me into Sussex to
start as a senior lecturer back
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then, 2007, 2008, whatever it was.
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It really, that was a
major pivotal moment.
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Without that, there wouldn't
have been a company.
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Without that, I wouldn't have
went to LSE to do the vision,
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the share mental model work.
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You're, you know, and
the generosity you have.
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00:26:42
I mean, we never got to talk
about you on this podcast.
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00:26:45
I don't know if we want to, I guess,
talk about you or not, but there's
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probably a consistent theme, um,
about your generosity with your
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time and how you are to people.
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And I won't tell stories, but I
definitely I think of stories and
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things you did that were so generous,
back to that window we had in Sussex.
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Things you did, I remember thinking,
what a wonderful, wonderful,
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kind person you really are.
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Geri: Oh,
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Graham: And honestly, there's so many
examples, I'm not going to cite them
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because they're personal to me and they
won't mean anything to anyone else, except
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to say that I'm not short of examples.
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00:27:22
You know, and I'm not the only
one who says that, you know,
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um, the fact you're doing this
and giving, giving back as well.
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But yeah, just, just to say thank you
because you took my life in a massively
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better, more interesting direction that I
would not have reached on my own for sure.
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Geri: And you, yes.
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So I really appreciate
you saying those things.
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I'm very humbled.
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So thank you.
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And I also am honoured to have been
part of that journey because you've
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Being the one who's made that path
work and, um, take, you know, like
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used it and, and built things.
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And as you said, the multiple impacts
on all sorts of people, companies,
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people in the industry, people playing
games, you know, just generally.
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So we, we never know, do we?
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How, who we touch or how we touch people.
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Graham: That's what I was thinking about.
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These random, someone says
a word in a corridor or a
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Geri: Um, Um,
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Graham: I like, I never get, I
won't be able to tell Gary anymore
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that he changed my life too.
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00:28:32
This random lecture that he gave by
saying yes to this talk at Queen's
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University and, you know, it sent
my career on a whole different path.
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And
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Geri: Um.
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Graham: As you say, stop the podcast
and tell people, you know, someone,
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because it's bound to happen.
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Geri: That's a great
point to, to, uh, stop on.
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So stop now and go and tell someone what
they did for you, what they mean to you.
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Yeah.
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So thank you, Graham.
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And so ends the last part of
my three part conversation with
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the wonderful Graham McAllister.
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I just love his energy and how clearly
he thinks through issues and connects
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the dots of his various career pivots.
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And
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isn't he such a powerful communicator?
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I think there have been nuggets
spread across all three episodes.
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And in this latest episode, whether you
struggle with writing or love writing,
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I hope you'll have found some things
here that you can take away to try out.
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And even though Graham was talking about
books and for non-academic audiences.
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I think there are aspects on the art and
craft of writing that he's shared that
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could apply to all forms of our writing.
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I know that I took away a lot
from my own writing practice.
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And finally, I just want to spotlight
something that Graham said at
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the very end of our conversation.
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That I think comes through in so much
of what he's done for himself across
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his various career pivots, and also the
impact that he has had on the people
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that he's trying to work with to solve
problems to make their lives better.
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And that's this quote from Graham
about designing a better liFe.
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Graham: We can design a better life,
whether you're in the video game industry
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or academia or wherever you're in.
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Um, it could definitely be better.
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I don't know how much better,
but it could be better.
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Geri: So let's all work
at making it better.
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You can find the summary notes, a
transcript and related links for this
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podcast on www.changingacademiclife.com.
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You can also subscribe to Changing
Academic Life on iTunes, and Stitcher.
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And I'm really hoping that we can
widen the conversation about how
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we can do academia differently.
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And you can contribute to this by rating
the podcast and also giving feedback.
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And if something connected with
you, please consider sharing this
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podcast with your colleagues.
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Together we can make change happen.