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Speaker:Where the quiz really solves a lot of problems is by
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Speaker:We've got a fun topic on deck today.
Speaker:Quizzes, you see them all around.
Speaker:And honestly,
Speaker:I never really thought about it for a product based business
Speaker:before I'm not talking about quizzes,
Speaker:where you find out what animal most represents your personality or
Speaker:what your hidden name is based on your birth month and
Speaker:day. Those are fun and all,
Speaker:but not for business.
Speaker:The quizzes we're focusing on here are for lead generation and
Speaker:to provide a customer experience that leads to a sale.
Speaker:What's great about quizzes is the interaction your customer has with
Speaker:your business through answering those questions and the curiosity and satisfaction
Speaker:of getting a result without stealing any of the funder.
Speaker:Let's move right into the show Today.
Speaker:I am so excited to introduce you to get
Ken is the co-founder of pre hook,
Speaker:a leading quiz platform for Shopify merchants.
Speaker:Pre hook helps hundreds of high growth product businesses sell more
Speaker:accelerate list growth and capture zero party data with quizzes.
Speaker:He also hosts the e-commerce marketing podcast called cart overflow.
Speaker:What a great name there he shares what the best operators,
Speaker:agencies and tech platforms are doing to grow their e-commerce revenues
Speaker:prior to pre hook.
Speaker:Ken was part of the founding team and lead marketing at
Speaker:jungle scout,
Speaker:the leading software for Amazon sellers.
Speaker:Again, welcome to the gift biz on wrapped podcast.
Speaker:Hey Sue,
Speaker:thanks so much for having me Super exciting history.
Speaker:Lots of things we're going to get into today.
Speaker:I think Totally.
Speaker:I'm excited.
Speaker:Me too.
Speaker:Lots of questions I told you earlier,
Speaker:I don't want to ask them until we're recording.
Speaker:So there we're just going to free flow this,
Speaker:but before we get started,
Speaker:I have a question for you that I've been doing for
Speaker:gosh, eight years now,
Speaker:already, since I've been starting podcasting.
Speaker:And that is because so many of our listeners are creatives.
Speaker:I want to hear more about you in a creative way,
Speaker:and that is through a motivational candle.
Speaker:So if you were to share with us a little bit
Speaker:more about yourself by describing the perfect candle for you,
Speaker:what would your candle look like?
Speaker:It would be a red candle because that's my favorite color.
Speaker:And it would say stand tall,
Speaker:talk, small play ball,
Speaker:pick had to credit my wife for that one.
Speaker:She cause I was like,
Speaker:oh, that's an interesting one.
Speaker:What would it be for me?
Speaker:And it's just more about like actions speak louder than words
Speaker:and just to get in the game,
Speaker:take action and then play ball.
Speaker:I love basketball.
Speaker:That's kind of like the one thing I play multiple times
Speaker:a week in the morning,
Speaker:it gives me a clarity of mind and a great social
Speaker:outlet and activity.
Speaker:So that is important to me.
Speaker:And yeah,
Speaker:I think it's just to be active and actually do it
Speaker:and let the actions speak over words.
Speaker:Perfect. And I really enjoy what you say there too,
Speaker:about the talk small.
Speaker:So many people can be all talk,
Speaker:but when it actually comes down to it,
Speaker:there's nothing,
Speaker:there there's no sustenance behind things.
Speaker:So I like that,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:we also don't have to be out there blasting what we
Speaker:do. Let's show them what we do.
Speaker:Let's get results for people.
Speaker:Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker:And that's kind of like been a mental shift for me
Speaker:as well.
Speaker:Social media is I think growing more and more in terms
Speaker:of importance for it being your own PR.
Speaker:And so it's hard because I don't naturally like to talk
Speaker:about those things,
Speaker:but I think so many people are interested in,
Speaker:you don't need to do it in a boastful way,
Speaker:but the mentality I've taken is more of like a document
Speaker:and building and public and sharing these things.
Speaker:And that includes both wins and losses.
Speaker:Love it.
Speaker:Yeah. I agree with you.
Speaker:Yeah. There is that delicate balance between like standing on a
Speaker:street corner with a megaphone almost forcing,
Speaker:like here's why you should be listening to me Because that
Speaker:doesn't come across well versus wanting them to know that information
Speaker:for credibility,
Speaker:but how do you actually do it in a way that's
Speaker:received well,
Speaker:okay. So again,
Speaker:tell me a little bit about how you connected up with
Speaker:pre Huck.
Speaker:Yeah. So I am a co-founder of pre hook.
Speaker:So like you mentioned it as a quiz platform for Shopify
Speaker:merchants and we launched in early 20,
Speaker:21, I'm building it with two co-founders.
Speaker:We met as part of the founding team of jungle scout.
Speaker:And so I think maybe some of your audience is familiar
Speaker:with jungle scout because Amazon is a key channel maybe for
Speaker:some handcrafted products with basically Amazon has an Etsy competitor,
Speaker:but Amazon is an Amazon product research tool to help sellers
Speaker:identify where there's demand.
Speaker:So yeah,
Speaker:we met in 2015,
Speaker:we have a lot of experience in the e-commerce SAS area
Speaker:and then realized that Shopify merchants have different challenges than Amazon
Speaker:merchants. Amazon a listing is very focused on optimizing for a
Speaker:specific search query.
Speaker:So SEO is key,
Speaker:but a Shopify generalist slightly different because you can have one
Speaker:product, but then have people coming for various reasons.
Speaker:But you don't know unless you ask.
Speaker:So just by asking a few simple questions,
Speaker:say, well,
Speaker:what are your challenges?
Speaker:What are your goals?
Speaker:What's your basic routine?
Speaker:What preferences do you have,
Speaker:whether that's in size or color or anything else,
Speaker:but asking you a few questions can really eliminate a lot
Speaker:about the customer and then help you as a brand or
Speaker:merchant position yourself to address those problems or those challenges and
Speaker:become a better marketer.
Speaker:So we started building in 2020 and then launched and we've
Speaker:seen a lot of success and that landscape has definitely changed
Speaker:a lot for merchants because at the time iOS 14 hadn't
Speaker:been released.
Speaker:And so I was 14 basically makes it harder for platforms
Speaker:like Facebook to track customer behavior across different sites.
Speaker:So what does that mean?
Speaker:It means that targeting is going to be less granular for
Speaker:ad platforms.
Speaker:And therefore you're going to see an increase in cost per
Speaker:clicks and cost per acquisition.
Speaker:So it's more important now than ever for brands to build
Speaker:a direct relationship with their customers.
Speaker:And then you're layering on things like GDPR or privacy laws.
Speaker:Third party cookies are being deprecated.
Speaker:So there's a real urgency for brands to build direct relationships
Speaker:with their customers and then learn a lot about them because
Speaker:the expectations of a customer are only increasing and you really
Speaker:can't personalize or tailor a message to a customer just based
Speaker:on an email alone or a first name,
Speaker:like say again,
Speaker:or Sue,
Speaker:you really need to understand some of these,
Speaker:the why behind why a customer is on your side or
Speaker:what they're looking for.
Speaker:And once you have that,
Speaker:then you can do so much more in terms of the
Speaker:targeting or the messaging,
Speaker:the positioning,
Speaker:what you're sending them,
Speaker:what new product releases and all these things that kind of
Speaker:encapsulate e-commerce marketing.
Speaker:Perfect. I love that.
Speaker:You've already answered like a million questions.
Speaker:I'm gonna back it up just a second for our audience.
Speaker:You're talking about iOS 14 and this is where all the
Speaker:challenges came up because people who are running Facebook ads no
Speaker:longer could be capturing information.
Speaker:Like did they come to your website or being able to
Speaker:retarget that way?
Speaker:And I think really what we're talking about here is not
Speaker:relying on other platforms,
Speaker:being able to attract that information ourselves for our unique customers.
Speaker:Would that be right?
Speaker:Exactly. That is exactly right.
Speaker:Okay. The brands are kind of shifting away and we saw
Speaker:that. For example,
Speaker:if we look at Facebook,
Speaker:they dropped how many billions of dollars overnight in valuation when
Speaker:they showed a 20% drop in revenue as a result of
Speaker:brands, shifting their budget away from platforms,
Speaker:which can be slightly nebulous.
Speaker:And we're not even talking about attribution as well.
Speaker:Like that was a break in the link as well and
Speaker:more of a focus on owning the customer relationship.
Speaker:And so that includes building an email as building an SMS
Speaker:list. And that's kind of an integral part of the quiz
Speaker:experience where you're asking a few questions,
Speaker:whatever it might be,
Speaker:that's specific to your product or your brand capture that email
Speaker:or SMS,
Speaker:and then you're recommending a product.
Speaker:And then from there it kind of extends into the post
Speaker:quiz communication.
Speaker:So that's your email flows and Klayvio or Omni or whatever
Speaker:email platform you're using the SMS and paid ads platforms,
Speaker:because you can at least sync the kind of like a
Speaker:high-level segment where the product that you're recommending or the landing
Speaker:page that you're sending them to,
Speaker:if you're showing them a remarketing ad To make sure that
Speaker:people really are understanding what's possible,
Speaker:I'm going to want to take that through a little bit
Speaker:slower step-by-step but before we do that,
Speaker:why Shopify,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:how did you guys zero in on that Shopify would be
Speaker:the platform because does pre hook only work on Shopify?
Speaker:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:So, which I love because I am a huge Shopify endorser,
Speaker:a hundred percent.
Speaker:So I just wanted to clarify that,
Speaker:but this is also good for people to know people who
Speaker:are listening and maybe they're already doing business through Etsy or
Speaker:Amazon. I hear talk a lot about,
Speaker:you have to have your own platform,
Speaker:your own website,
Speaker:that's the golden nugget that you're going to strive for eventually,
Speaker:always have that.
Speaker:And so I'd like to hear from you why you see
Speaker:Shopify as the best platform to be on.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:So from my perspective,
Speaker:as an app developer,
Speaker:Shopify is the most robust,
Speaker:I think,
Speaker:what is it like 1.7
Speaker:million merchants on Shopify,
Speaker:fastest growing platform.
Speaker:And so it makes it super easy for merchants to either
Speaker:get up and get started,
Speaker:or if you're even on Shopify,
Speaker:plus some of the biggest e-commerce brands use Shopify for their
Speaker:backend and their front end,
Speaker:Shopify just is such a great merchant experience.
Speaker:And there is such a robust ecosystem around Shopify.
Speaker:So we thought that there was a gap in the market
Speaker:where we're helping brands learn about their customers with quizzes was
Speaker:an opportunity.
Speaker:And so the Shopify experience along with Klayvio,
Speaker:so Klaviyo is an email service platform,
Speaker:but they do SMS.
Speaker:It's just one of the few core technologies in the modern
Speaker:e-commerce stack tech stack.
Speaker:Yeah. And Shopify,
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:I know that service-based businesses are also now on Shopify,
Speaker:but it started and is specifically meant for product based businesses.
Speaker:Exactly. Yep.
Speaker:So agree with you totally there.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So let's take this a little bit slower and explain to
Speaker:everybody why quizzes once again,
Speaker:for a product based business and let's make a fictitious company,
Speaker:I'll let you name the product.
Speaker:What's the product gonna be?
Speaker:It's gotta be a handmade product.
Speaker:Yeah, totally.
Speaker:So the reason I think why a candle is a great
Speaker:use case and we can extrapolate this out for like high
Speaker:level is because the candle has some characteristics that in-person make
Speaker:it easy to determine which candle you like.
Speaker:So I love candles while I'm working.
Speaker:And I love candles that kind of like at nighttime,
Speaker:but there are different needs,
Speaker:right? So you have your morning candle where you're trying to
Speaker:maybe like energize or you have your evening candle,
Speaker:which might be more of a relaxing and soothing.
Speaker:So this smell matters.
Speaker:The time matters where you're using it matters.
Speaker:Do you want a little tea,
Speaker:light candle for the dining room table?
Speaker:Or do you want like a nice big one,
Speaker:maybe if you're taking a bath.
Speaker:So what we're doing there is we're just asking a few
Speaker:questions because we want to know just as if we were
Speaker:an in-store sales associate and you walk in saying into our
Speaker:candle store,
Speaker:Hey, Sue,
Speaker:tell me a little bit about you so that I can
Speaker:guide you to the right specific skew or product in this
Speaker:vast store of candles.
Speaker:And so if you're walking in,
Speaker:you might be overwhelmed by the smell and the different sizes
Speaker:and prices,
Speaker:and you don't know the first thing about candles,
Speaker:but you know what you're looking for.
Speaker:And I think that's where the quiz really solves.
Speaker:A lot of problems is by simplifying the buying decision and
Speaker:the buying process.
Speaker:And ultimately,
Speaker:if we're talking about how to most effectively improve conversion rate,
Speaker:really what we're doing is we're just trying to address any
Speaker:potential questions or objections that a person would have as they're
Speaker:deciding. And a quiz makes it very easy because you don't
Speaker:necessarily know,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:looking at a candle product name,
Speaker:what the components of that product are or the characteristics.
Speaker:But I can ask you,
Speaker:do you like fruit or vanilla or pine or woodsy,
Speaker:and you can check all of them or you can check
Speaker:one of them,
Speaker:but that would be a big insight into what product would
Speaker:be appropriate for you.
Speaker:I can ask you when you might be using it morning,
Speaker:afternoon, night,
Speaker:I can ask you what feelings are you trying to evoke
Speaker:from this?
Speaker:Is it energy?
Speaker:Is it relaxation?
Speaker:Is it something romantic or high energy or party or whatever
Speaker:else. And from there,
Speaker:you've just got so much information about the why the customer
Speaker:is in your store,
Speaker:what they're looking for.
Speaker:And from there,
Speaker:you can bridge the gap,
Speaker:okay. They are here in your store,
Speaker:where do they want,
Speaker:what problems are they solving for?
Speaker:Or what does success look like to them as they're walking
Speaker:out of your store?
Speaker:And then along the way you're capturing that email so that
Speaker:you can say here,
Speaker:let me just send you your personalized,
Speaker:or let me give you five ways that you can get
Speaker:more out of your candle or,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:something to add value,
Speaker:to incentivize them to say,
Speaker:Hey, let's start a relationship so I can educate you more
Speaker:about our candles and how it can help you.
Speaker:And then you're recommending the product.
Speaker:So kind of like in a nutshell,
Speaker:that's the experience of a quiz is to learn more about
Speaker:them, learn how to connect with them and speak with them.
Speaker:So you can start this relationship and then get the best
Speaker:product in front of them.
Speaker:And then from there,
Speaker:you are kind of unfolding the story.
Speaker:So maybe after the quiz,
Speaker:so this product is perfect for your needs because you've told
Speaker:us that you are looking for a morning candle to give
Speaker:you energy.
Speaker:That smells like oranges.
Speaker:And after that,
Speaker:you can unfold your product story,
Speaker:your founder story,
Speaker:the benefits of your candles,
Speaker:kind of like at a high level.
Speaker:And then the benefits on a more micro level of this
Speaker:particular candle.
Speaker:And you can only do that because you know what Sue
Speaker:is looking for and you know,
Speaker:what Sue's preferences are,
Speaker:if you're just saying,
Speaker:Hey, sign up for my candle club.
Speaker:Yeah, sure.
Speaker:We might be sending you candles that smell like chocolate and
Speaker:you hate chocolate or you're allergic to it.
Speaker:But the point is that the quiz helps you tailor down
Speaker:and improve relevancy so that you can personalize at scale.
Speaker:Yeah. I mean,
Speaker:the other thing taking it at the very top is if
Speaker:someone lands,
Speaker:when we're calling it your store,
Speaker:like we're saying,
Speaker:it's your website,
Speaker:your website is your store.
Speaker:Right? So having a quiz right front and center right away
Speaker:differentiates you from the majority of people who sell candles online,
Speaker:right at the get go.
Speaker:And it's allowing you to be interactive with the brand,
Speaker:which I think is so interesting because who doesn't want to
Speaker:know what you're going to tell me about my candle usage.
Speaker:If I'm loving candles,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:if it doesn't cost me anything,
Speaker:you're giving me some good information.
Speaker:And then you're going to feed me products that most suit
Speaker:my preferences in terms of cents and my usage of candles.
Speaker:Why wouldn't I want to take the quiz?
Speaker:Like, it just seems like a fun,
Speaker:interactive thing to do on the other side for the business
Speaker:owner, like you were saying,
Speaker:you get the emails now you're going to be able to
Speaker:stay in touch with that person who came to your site
Speaker:and it's not like they just got to your site for
Speaker:a second heaven forbid bounds,
Speaker:or just looked around and then left never to return again.
Speaker:Right. Absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah. And then there are a few kind of like subconscious
Speaker:benefits to that.
Speaker:So now that you know,
Speaker:what type of candles Sue's looking for and her background with
Speaker:it, you can educate too on your particular candles.
Speaker:Maybe why your handmade product is better than a Yankee candle.
Speaker:And maybe it is some of the bad practices of the
Speaker:Yankee candle org,
Speaker:environmentally unfriendly,
Speaker:whatever it might be.
Speaker:The point is that you are educating the customer and Robert
Speaker:Cialdini. Who's really great marketing thinker.
Speaker:He has a book called influence.
Speaker:And one of the six core pillars of influence is authority.
Speaker:So if you are able to establish authority and establishing authority
Speaker:in this case from educating somebody.
Speaker:So they are somebody who is new to candles,
Speaker:you're telling them about it,
Speaker:they're in the market.
Speaker:So they've already raised their hand saying they want to learn
Speaker:more and they're interested in it,
Speaker:but you're educating them.
Speaker:And so then you're putting forward whether it's videos or images
Speaker:or texts,
Speaker:you are establishing your expertise.
Speaker:And that just increases the likelihood in the customer's mind that
Speaker:you know what you're talking about,
Speaker:they're going to look to you as the authority on candles
Speaker:and therefore the recommendation that you provide to them,
Speaker:or is that much more significant and the likelihood of buying
Speaker:from you if they want a candle also increases.
Speaker:So you're playing towards the conversion rate there.
Speaker:Right? Okay.
Speaker:So I have an idea about the candles.
Speaker:So if I was doing a quiz,
Speaker:let's say I was taking this quiz.
Speaker:And so I fill out,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:whatever information needs to come in,
Speaker:but then there's the question of,
Speaker:well, what kind of sense do you like the best?
Speaker:And so I fill out maybe a couple of my sense.
Speaker:And then you say,
Speaker:when do you most burn candles,
Speaker:one of the situations in the day or whatever that you
Speaker:would most likely use candles.
Speaker:And let's say,
Speaker:I were to say,
Speaker:you know what?
Speaker:I light a candle when I'm getting ready in the morning.
Speaker:Okay. Let's just say,
Speaker:I decide that.
Speaker:Well, if that's the case,
Speaker:that candle probably isn't going to burn for too long.
Speaker:So maybe then one of the pieces of information to your
Speaker:point about education is based on your candle usage,
Speaker:you're burning your candle for short amount of time.
Speaker:Here's the best way to take care of your candle.
Speaker:So they last the longest,
Speaker:given your usage,
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:Right? Absolutely.
Speaker:And then I'd be like,
Speaker:let's say,
Speaker:I wasn't even thinking I was going to buy.
Speaker:I'm like,
Speaker:oh, I didn't even know that that's what I should be
Speaker:doing. Even with the candles I already have at my house.
Speaker:So you've given me value already before I've even purchased,
Speaker:which makes me then want to purchase from you.
Speaker:Exactly. And then when you were talking about that,
Speaker:like, think about a candle in the morning and then think
Speaker:about the candle in the evening and then the mindset that
Speaker:you're playing to and how that might impact.
Speaker:Okay. I mean the main goal obviously is to get them
Speaker:to add to cart and check out.
Speaker:But along the way,
Speaker:of course it's how do you add different order bumps or
Speaker:how do you increase the average order value?
Speaker:Well, if it's a candle for the morning,
Speaker:Hey, you might like this mug for your morning coffee over
Speaker:as a candle in the evening.
Speaker:You might like these bath salts or this bath bomb for
Speaker:the candle when you're taking a bath at night.
Speaker:And so you're able to kind of like align and create
Speaker:a more cohesive customer experience because you have these key data
Speaker:points about the customer and what they're looking for that you
Speaker:can play to And then different sizes maybe too.
Speaker:Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker:Different sizes for replenished walls.
Speaker:Like say a face wash that really helps because I mean,
Speaker:historically it might be,
Speaker:you might just go based on the size purchase,
Speaker:but for our skincare brand,
Speaker:for example,
Speaker:you might ask about their routine or candle.
Speaker:You might ask how often they intend to use it.
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:so you can kind of like send reminder emails for repurchase,
Speaker:which also plays to extending the lifetime value,
Speaker:getting more repeat purchases.
Speaker:Okay. So how in the world would you start making a
Speaker:quiz like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:for everybody who's listening with all their individual products,
Speaker:we don't know the questions of how to do a quiz.
Speaker:How does this all work,
Speaker:if were interested in looking at potentially a quiz for our
Speaker:business, how does it work with pre Hawk?
Speaker:How would you do this?
Speaker:You'll hear again,
Speaker:describe how you can make a quiz for your business right
Speaker:after this short break.
Speaker:Yes. It's possible increase your sales without adding a single customer.
Speaker:How you ask by offering personalization with your products,
Speaker:wrap a cake box with a ribbon saying happy 30th birthday,
Speaker:Annie, or at a special message and date to wedding or
Speaker:party favors for an extra meaningful touch.
Speaker:Where else can you get customization with a creatively spelled name
Speaker:or find packaging?
Speaker:That includes a saying whose meaning is known to a select
Speaker:to not only our customers willing to pay for these special
Speaker:touches. They'll tell their friends and word will spread about your
Speaker:company and products.
Speaker:You can create personalized ribbons and labels in seconds,
Speaker:make just one or thousands without waiting weeks or having to
Speaker:spend money to order yards and yards print words in any
Speaker:language or font,
Speaker:add logos,
Speaker:images, even photos,
Speaker:perfect for branding or adding ingredient and flavor labels to for
Speaker:more information,
Speaker:go to the ribbon print company.com.
Speaker:Yeah. Great question.
Speaker:So I think it starts with a simple question.
Speaker:Like how can I add more value to my customers?
Speaker:What would they find valuable?
Speaker:Because ultimately that's the premise of this exchange.
Speaker:The customer is telling you things,
Speaker:but in exchange,
Speaker:they're expecting some type of value in return.
Speaker:So they are telling you about their preferences and what they're
Speaker:looking for and an email address and in exchange,
Speaker:why don't you give them something that they would find helpful?
Speaker:So I think understanding what that exchange might look like would
Speaker:be important.
Speaker:So that's where the hook element of pre hook,
Speaker:how can you incentivize them?
Speaker:How can you engage them?
Speaker:And what value can you offer?
Speaker:So that's kind of like the high-level premise of what the
Speaker:quiz might be about.
Speaker:Then I think it's important to know what data points would
Speaker:be helpful for you to know which product to recommend,
Speaker:to know how you might want to segment your email list
Speaker:or segment your automations and flows.
Speaker:So that might be the problems that they're struggling with or
Speaker:the time when they would be using their candle or the
Speaker:flavors, the smells that they like.
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:so maybe that's helpful because you have new product launches of
Speaker:if you're launching an orange scented candle only reach out to
Speaker:people who like citrus.
Speaker:So the point there is that you want to know the
Speaker:data points that will be most helpful for you,
Speaker:both in the on-set experience.
Speaker:And then afterwards in your emails and SMSs.
Speaker:And then from there,
Speaker:I think it's creating like as few questions as possible because
Speaker:as you can imagine,
Speaker:every question increases the likelihood that somebody would drop off.
Speaker:So you don't really want to waste these.
Speaker:These are kind of like bullets in the chamber or a
Speaker:holster. You don't want to extend the questions with superfluous things
Speaker:like, you know,
Speaker:if you were a season,
Speaker:what would you be?
Speaker:Because then you're just losing people.
Speaker:And the main goal is in a similar way to a
Speaker:high level funnel.
Speaker:You want to move them down the funnel.
Speaker:So the quiz funnel would look like starting the quiz,
Speaker:even maybe clicking on an,
Speaker:to get to the quiz,
Speaker:taking the quiz,
Speaker:entering an email address,
Speaker:getting the recommendation,
Speaker:and then they're continuing down the funnel to ultimately you get
Speaker:them to convert.
Speaker:And so knowing the data points in there that are going
Speaker:to be most helpful is key.
Speaker:Is there a certain number of questions that you should ask?
Speaker:Generally? I think as few as possible while you're still extracting
Speaker:value, quantitatively,
Speaker:it might be maybe five to seven questions.
Speaker:I think it kind of depends on the type of product,
Speaker:of course,
Speaker:because if it is,
Speaker:let's say it's something that's a little more clinical like that
Speaker:you would put in your body or on your body,
Speaker:like hymns and Roman,
Speaker:hers, they have longer quizzes because those are almost lead qualification
Speaker:and clinical in nature almost.
Speaker:But if it's something that is like a candle or tea
Speaker:or bath cells,
Speaker:if you can get away with as few as possible,
Speaker:say three,
Speaker:four or five questions,
Speaker:that might be good.
Speaker:And I also think,
Speaker:like you say,
Speaker:how long it's going to take,
Speaker:like this quiz will take you one minute to do or
Speaker:something like that.
Speaker:So people don't feel,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:how there's the followup reviews.
Speaker:Like if you get your car serviced or things,
Speaker:or you go to a doctor appointment and then you get
Speaker:this, you know,
Speaker:let us know how we did.
Speaker:And the thing takes like 10 minutes to fill out.
Speaker:Oh yes.
Speaker:You want to make sure that you're showing that that's not
Speaker:what's happening with your quiz.
Speaker:Right. Totally.
Speaker:Then you're like,
Speaker:ah, no,
Speaker:thanks. Yeah.
Speaker:Forget that.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:I already gave you the money now,
Speaker:what else do I have to tell you?
Speaker:Like everything?
Speaker:And what about order of questions?
Speaker:Like for me,
Speaker:this is total personal preference.
Speaker:If I'm taking a quiz,
Speaker:I don't want you asking for my name and email as
Speaker:the first two questions,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:Cause I don't even know what I'm answering.
Speaker:Why am I giving you that information right away to me,
Speaker:I'd rather know the questions first.
Speaker:So I'm intrigued about what maybe you're going to share with
Speaker:me based on my answers before you asked for my name
Speaker:and email.
Speaker:I totally agree.
Speaker:And that's what I do recommend with the brands that we
Speaker:work with.
Speaker:It's basically micro conversions.
Speaker:And so you're starting a small,
Speaker:Oh you mean micro conversions from one question to another to
Speaker:keep them going.
Speaker:Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker:So starting easy.
Speaker:So, you know,
Speaker:one interesting tactic that I've seen is actually having the first
Speaker:question on the homepage.
Speaker:Like for example,
Speaker:there's a wide brand and they ask,
Speaker:do you like white or red?
Speaker:And then you click it and then,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:say red or white,
Speaker:it doesn't matter.
Speaker:Then you go into the quiz.
Speaker:That's kind of like the start of the quiz.
Speaker:But the benefit there is,
Speaker:it's a very easy question.
Speaker:There's no thought there it's,
Speaker:it's almost instinctive as opposed to what's your email.
Speaker:So then we can ask you more questions.
Speaker:Like, no,
Speaker:that's just not a congruent customer experience with their shopping patterns.
Speaker:Normally Let me just clarify that.
Speaker:So you'd ask like an open-ended question and then there's like
Speaker:buttons or something that say red or white,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:whatever it is.
Speaker:And then it leads into like the official quiz.
Speaker:Exactly. Oh point being just a very simple,
Speaker:easy question that can be answered without any thought or hesitation
Speaker:as opposed to a name or email,
Speaker:which is far more invasive at the very beginning.
Speaker:So again,
Speaker:is something like this also helping your website because you're having
Speaker:someone spend more time there,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:like for SEO and all that,
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:that's a great point.
Speaker:I think that that would be true,
Speaker:but I don't know,
Speaker:like that might be more of a marginal benefit as opposed
Speaker:to other things like the email and the customer data.
Speaker:But yeah,
Speaker:that's a great point that people are spending more time,
Speaker:so more engaged.
Speaker:But with that said,
Speaker:we've heard from lots of brands that they will segment out
Speaker:in Google analytics,
Speaker:those that take the quiz and those that do not take
Speaker:the quiz.
Speaker:And they've said that those who take the quiz have a
Speaker:higher conversion rate,
Speaker:higher average order value and then higher lifetime value.
Speaker:And so I think you can also pull back and say,
Speaker:yeah, that actually aligns with just general marketing trends these days
Speaker:with personalization.
Speaker:So Accenture has done a great study on personalization segment,
Speaker:a customer data platform as well.
Speaker:And what they found is that people are willing and happy
Speaker:to share information if there is some promise of a better
Speaker:customer experience.
Speaker:And so those brands that do personalize effectively,
Speaker:we'll see those monetary benefits of people spending more and people
Speaker:buy more often.
Speaker:And those that don't,
Speaker:we'll see more unsatisfied and lower conversion rate,
Speaker:but ultimately where I'm getting at is personalization is one of
Speaker:the key areas where brands can differentiate.
Speaker:But the challenge is to actually execute on that.
Speaker:And so that's called the customer experience gap where customers are
Speaker:looking to have a great personalized experience and will reward the
Speaker:brands that can do that.
Speaker:But there's a challenge because it's hard to do.
Speaker:And part of it is in terms of gathering the data
Speaker:because personalization and by definition is premise on the data that
Speaker:you have about somebody and then the know-how to set it
Speaker:up. And so Klayvio is a very powerful tool to personalize.
Speaker:We integrate with Klaviyo and OmniSeq and attentive and postscript.
Speaker:So to set it up is one thing,
Speaker:but together it is the other,
Speaker:but for those brands that can do that,
Speaker:they're bridging the customer experience gap,
Speaker:which is a huge opportunity for e-commerce brands.
Speaker:Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker:95% of our people do not even know what Klaviyo is
Speaker:they're using MailChimp or some other type of an email platform.
Speaker:Can they use pre hook and then have their quiz tagged
Speaker:or something and use MailChimp besides changing over their whole email
Speaker:platform strategy?
Speaker:Yes they can.
Speaker:So we,
Speaker:as a product don't integrate directly with MailChimp,
Speaker:Is it doable?
Speaker:It is doable.
Speaker:And if it's worth going into a shorter side of Klayvio
Speaker:Klayvio is just an email platform for email and SMS,
Speaker:but the main benefit of Klayvio and I'm going to send
Speaker:over something maybe like MailChimp,
Speaker:that's not specific for e-commerce.
Speaker:So MailChimp is making moves towards that is the deep integration
Speaker:with Shopify.
Speaker:And why does that matter?
Speaker:Well, it matters because you can automatically pretty much out of
Speaker:the box track,
Speaker:how people are engaging on your website,
Speaker:assuming it's a Shopify website and that gets sent automatically and
Speaker:instantly to Klayvio.
Speaker:So if somebody added to that's tracked automatically in Shopify in
Speaker:Klayvio so that,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:okay, we can start an automation,
Speaker:Hey, Sue added a candle to the carpet.
Speaker:She didn't check out.
Speaker:It can be Sue visited these pages,
Speaker:Sue abandoned at checkout,
Speaker:and then ecosystem of third party apps is kind of built
Speaker:around Shopify and then tightly correlated or integrated with Klaviyo.
Speaker:So like I was saying at the very beginning,
Speaker:the reason why we start with Shopify and Klayvio is because
Speaker:it's just so integral to e-commerce stores from the very nascent
Speaker:stages all the way through to high scale multi-million dollar businesses.
Speaker:Right. Okay.
Speaker:So that combination for anyone who is just starting to look
Speaker:at all of this,
Speaker:putting it together,
Speaker:Shopify and Klayvio are a beautiful combination.
Speaker:They merge nicely.
Speaker:Okay, good to know.
Speaker:And then last part on this is people might make a
Speaker:mistake like,
Speaker:oh, it's beyond my needs,
Speaker:but it's far easier to kind of grow into.
Speaker:And they do make it kind of like cost cost-effective,
Speaker:especially at the earliest ages,
Speaker:as opposed to migrating your whole system.
Speaker:That becomes a whole headache where sometimes it's just better to
Speaker:start with the platform that you intend to grow into.
Speaker:And that's not to say,
Speaker:grow into like,
Speaker:it's great for very beginners as well.
Speaker:Got it.
Speaker:Okay. So let's talk a little bit more about preheat,
Speaker:cause I think we've covered the value and why a quiz
Speaker:could make sense.
Speaker:I think there would be a little bit of a challenge
Speaker:initially in terms of what are those values,
Speaker:the questions that I would be asking,
Speaker:but I think just by demonstration and seeing examples,
Speaker:which I know you have on your website,
Speaker:people can start getting a feel for what quizzes could look
Speaker:like and that'll spark ideas for them.
Speaker:When you're onboarding a client to pre hook to start using
Speaker:a quiz,
Speaker:how does your whole system work?
Speaker:Yeah. So pre Oak is kind of a self-serve software.
Speaker:So I mean,
Speaker:it's like you can install it,
Speaker:get it up and running in less than 30 minutes.
Speaker:I guess our main goal when building it was to make
Speaker:it as simple and elegant user experience for merchants.
Speaker:So no technical expertise required.
Speaker:It's as simple as copying and pasting a snippet of code
Speaker:onto the page that you want the quiz to appear on.
Speaker:So in our onboarding,
Speaker:I have a lot of resources I put together or how
Speaker:to kind of think about the quiz strategically,
Speaker:what some examples are,
Speaker:how you can use it,
Speaker:the features to personalize things like conditional logic,
Speaker:which is basically if then if Sue is looking for mourning
Speaker:candles, then you ask more about morning Kind of like a
Speaker:flow chart.
Speaker:You know,
Speaker:if someone answers this,
Speaker:then they go here.
Speaker:If they answer this,
Speaker:they go there Exactly.
Speaker:That's a feature,
Speaker:but we just try to make it simple so that there's
Speaker:no account management needed,
Speaker:they could do it all on their own.
Speaker:And so that,
Speaker:that's one of the main goals and yeah,
Speaker:if you're just starting out,
Speaker:I think simple is better.
Speaker:And the classic crawl walk run,
Speaker:and the main goal is like,
Speaker:okay, let's just see if it is a channel that will
Speaker:help you capture more leads than if it were just a
Speaker:regular pop-up on your website.
Speaker:The whole goal is to get more leads and to start
Speaker:forming a relationship with your customer.
Speaker:So I'm thinking,
Speaker:going back to the candles,
Speaker:a quiz could be as easy as the very first question
Speaker:maybe is the sense.
Speaker:And then based on the selection there,
Speaker:the next question is going to be what's the result you
Speaker:get, or when do you use candles?
Speaker:And so it goes down from there.
Speaker:And then at the end,
Speaker:it says,
Speaker:based on your preferences,
Speaker:these are the best sense for you.
Speaker:And that could be it,
Speaker:it could be just that.
Speaker:And then based on that,
Speaker:then they funnel into a couple of different email campaigns.
Speaker:Some of the emails in each of those campaigns might look
Speaker:similar, but then they'd also be customized based on the answer
Speaker:that was given.
Speaker:So maybe you have a different tip for someone who uses
Speaker:candles as they're taking a bath versus using candles for company
Speaker:versus using working candles for work or calming or whatever it
Speaker:looks like.
Speaker:But the point then is you've given your customer some direction
Speaker:about how they can purchase from you and which ones will
Speaker:suit their needs.
Speaker:And you've also gotten their emails so that you can continue
Speaker:communicating with them.
Speaker:And that's exactly right.
Speaker:Okay. I want to bring it down to a more simple,
Speaker:this doesn't have to get way overwhelming and confusing.
Speaker:You could use a very easy quiz to start off with
Speaker:and still reap the rewards of a quiz.
Speaker:Totally. And yet for the Shopify,
Speaker:like pre hooked,
Speaker:for example,
Speaker:it's very easy.
Speaker:It's as simple as like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:what your inventory is,
Speaker:which products would correlate to a morning candle.
Speaker:And so you'd add those in.
Speaker:And then,
Speaker:so we automatically calculate whichever product has the most points.
Speaker:And so each kind of response is added as a point,
Speaker:you could change the weighting.
Speaker:If there are certain questions that are more important to determining
Speaker:what the ultimate recommendation is,
Speaker:and then it's recommended at the end.
Speaker:So there are other tools like say Typeform or lead quizzes,
Speaker:which maybe you've tried before,
Speaker:but those don't integrate with Shopify.
Speaker:So the difference there is you're not able to know the
Speaker:inventory and you're not able to link the inventory in the
Speaker:quiz as you would be with the Shopify focused quiz,
Speaker:like pre hook.
Speaker:Oh, lightbulb,
Speaker:ding, ding,
Speaker:ding, ding,
Speaker:dang. Sure.
Speaker:Okay. Got it.
Speaker:Okay. I've got that.
Speaker:So you,
Speaker:then aren't just telling them which ones it's actually leading them
Speaker:to their product selections.
Speaker:Exactly. So they can add to cart,
Speaker:checkout it directly from the quiz.
Speaker:And like I was saying earlier,
Speaker:that's the main goal is just to simplify the buying process,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:about them,
Speaker:you know what product is best for them,
Speaker:put it in front of them and you can give them
Speaker:a compelling reason to add to cart and check out.
Speaker:Okay. So let me ask you this,
Speaker:this brings up new questions.
Speaker:Pop-ups most of the time,
Speaker:especially product-based businesses do pop-ups and the popups.
Speaker:I think we've gotten everybody,
Speaker:I beat this like a dead horse.
Speaker:Don't just say,
Speaker:get on my email list,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:but offer them a reason to give your email.
Speaker:So you're going to be the first one to know about
Speaker:new releases.
Speaker:You'll be the first to know when promotions are coming out,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:things like that.
Speaker:So there's value for them in exchange for their email,
Speaker:a quiz could take the place of a pop-up right.
Speaker:Because you're still attracting the email.
Speaker:Absolutely. Yep.
Speaker:So does it actually come in as the pop-up you put
Speaker:the code in or something so that then the quizzes,
Speaker:the pop-up Yeah,
Speaker:totally. You can do that.
Speaker:Okay. I'm glad that you didn't mention like,
Speaker:Hey, you get 20% off your first purchase or anything.
Speaker:That's a common offer and that's value.
Speaker:Cause it's kind of like simple and straightforward,
Speaker:but there just a lot of downstream effects of that in
Speaker:terms of,
Speaker:I mean,
Speaker:that's just directly eating into margin that's diluting brand equity,
Speaker:and it becomes like,
Speaker:is it really attracting the right type of customer who might
Speaker:be looking for more discount or it might be expecting discounts
Speaker:and then your foregoing learning about them.
Speaker:So like an email in itself in a vacuum without context
Speaker:is definitely not as helpful as an email that has a
Speaker:whole bunch of custom properties or attributes about the customer that
Speaker:will help you in communicating with them both on the site
Speaker:and then afterwards by email or SMS.
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:And honestly,
Speaker:I'm going to go again from personal experience.
Speaker:The discount off of first order does sound like a great
Speaker:opportunity. But when that pops up within two seconds,
Speaker:after I've come to a site,
Speaker:I haven't even had a chance to look around at the
Speaker:products yet.
Speaker:And all of a sudden you're delivering me a discount.
Speaker:Like that doesn't feel good to me either.
Speaker:I don't even know if I'm interested yet.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Where can we go learn more about pre hook and maybe
Speaker:see some examples and that kind of thing?
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:So our website is pre hook.com,
Speaker:G R E H O O K.
Speaker:Please feel free to reach out to me again,
Speaker:G E n@prehook.com
Speaker:to learn more examples on our website.
Speaker:Like I've built out hundreds of quizzes.
Speaker:And so I've gathered think at this point 125 of some
Speaker:of the best quizzes and it based on different niche or
Speaker:different stage.
Speaker:And so that's a nice example.
Speaker:There's no opt-in required.
Speaker:So you can just check it out.
Speaker:It's basically an air table database.
Speaker:And so it gives a good example of the breadth of
Speaker:use cases,
Speaker:both in stage of customer journey,
Speaker:like top of funnel,
Speaker:or even after they've purchased a post-purchase quiz.
Speaker:And it can show how you might use it in different
Speaker:ways, too,
Speaker:with different channels,
Speaker:whether it's email or as a landing page for paid ad
Speaker:or on the site.
Speaker:And then also just some of the goals that brands are
Speaker:accomplishing with a quiz.
Speaker:So that's on our website.
Speaker:You can find that kind of a helpful resource for brands.
Speaker:So just understand how others are using a quiz and hopefully
Speaker:why it's kind of like the cornerstone of a marketing strategy.
Speaker:Wonderful. And I'm just thinking here too,
Speaker:once you have a quiz built,
Speaker:gosh, you could make it a QR code that you use
Speaker:at a show if you're out at a show.
Speaker:Great use case.
Speaker:Yeah. Because it can go anywhere once you've got it built
Speaker:up, like you said,
Speaker:we've been talking about putting it on a website,
Speaker:but if you can go anywhere anywhere,
Speaker:you can put a link,
Speaker:you can put the quiz.
Speaker:Absolutely. Yep.
Speaker:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:One final thing.
Speaker:Cause I know our listeners would be interested in this question
Speaker:is what type of investment is there for pre Hawk?
Speaker:Yes. So we have a 14 day free trial and then
Speaker:it's just a monthly SAS starting at $35 a month.
Speaker:And the tiers are based on usage and engagement.
Speaker:So $35 a month,
Speaker:I think it's 600 engagements and engagement is basically if somebody
Speaker:takes a quiz once or yeah,
Speaker:people that take a quiz,
Speaker:Take the quiz all the way through to completion of providing
Speaker:their email so that they fill out entirely.
Speaker:I should say,
Speaker:start a quiz,
Speaker:Start a quiz,
Speaker:not finish the quiz.
Speaker:That's why you need to make it short and enticing and
Speaker:interesting where they actually want to complete it.
Speaker:So you get their email For sure.
Speaker:But yeah,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:month to month contracts,
Speaker:no obligations cancel any time.
Speaker:And so we try to make it as simple to get
Speaker:up and running as possible and then also make a no
Speaker:cost obligation to even just test it as a channel with
Speaker:our 14 day free trial.
Speaker:Perfect. Okay.
Speaker:And as a newbie,
Speaker:who's never done a quiz before like this,
Speaker:how long does it take to create one?
Speaker:I would say probably within an hour you can get it
Speaker:up and running.
Speaker:I have a bunch of documentation and strategy stuff and probably
Speaker:most helpful is just to,
Speaker:like I said earlier,
Speaker:get an idea of the type of data that's most interesting
Speaker:to you or helpful in email and SMS and to learn
Speaker:about your customers from there.
Speaker:It's kind of simple to use the product as in pre
Speaker:hook to build out the quiz from there.
Speaker:So starting simple is a great way.
Speaker:Okay. Yeah.
Speaker:So observe who your customers are,
Speaker:the questions you have coming in,
Speaker:what their care abouts are in relation to your product,
Speaker:perhaps then go look at some other quizzes just by ways
Speaker:of example of what could be done.
Speaker:And so do a little bit of thinking first and then
Speaker:you could start a 14 day trial,
Speaker:which means you could have a quiz up and running and
Speaker:gosh, would that kind of an investment you only have to
Speaker:sell depending on your product,
Speaker:several products through acquiring these new potential customers to pay for
Speaker:it. Totally.
Speaker:Yep. And we do have we track revenue.
Speaker:So it's very easy to quantify the ROI.
Speaker:Anything else that you think we should know?
Speaker:Any questions you'd normally get that I didn't think of asking?
Speaker:Well, I think that for your audience who are a lot
Speaker:of making things on their own,
Speaker:I think that there's a tremendous opportunity in sharing their brand
Speaker:store their founder's story,
Speaker:because there's so much passion behind those products,
Speaker:but one person could be going to a product for any
Speaker:variety of reasons.
Speaker:So I imagine like if it is a candle,
Speaker:like the different use cases and the way to position,
Speaker:it could be so vastly different.
Speaker:So how you put yourself forward and how you unfold,
Speaker:that brand story can resonate differently with different people.
Speaker:And so that's where I think we can fill in a
Speaker:few gaps there with just a few data points.
Speaker:Yeah. And that all doesn't happen in the quiz that happens
Speaker:in the subsequent emails after they've made their selection.
Speaker:Yeah. So it doesn't sit in the quizzes questions cause then
Speaker:the quiz will get way long or you're not telling them
Speaker:all this stuff,
Speaker:you're wanting to learn more about them so you can provide
Speaker:them with the right answer.
Speaker:Exactly. And so the main point there is similar to building
Speaker:a list like,
Speaker:you know,
Speaker:start yesterday.
Speaker:I would say the same with customer data.
Speaker:That strategy is only going to pay dividends in the future.
Speaker:And it's so critical.
Speaker:Now if you consider all of the macro trends changes.
Speaker:So starting with a customer data strategy is critical and this
Speaker:is one easy way to start.
Speaker:Beautiful. Well,
Speaker:this has been so enlightening Gunn.
Speaker:I've loved learning more about quizzes specifically as it relates to
Speaker:product based businesses.
Speaker:Because as I said in the beginning,
Speaker:I wasn't even thinking that direction.
Speaker:I'm thinking mostly service-based so fabulous.
Speaker:You have enlightened all of us here today and I really,
Speaker:really appreciate you coming on and sharing this.
Speaker:Oh, well Sue,
Speaker:thank you so much for having me.
Speaker:I love the idea of quizzes so much on two different
Speaker:levels. First it gives you another way to interact with customers
Speaker:at all different touch points.
Speaker:It's another topic versus here's my product buy.
Speaker:If you're not familiar with my opinion on this,
Speaker:take a listen to the last tips and talk episode number
Speaker:61, it aired just a few days ago.
Speaker:So if you're listening right,
Speaker:as soon as this goes out,
Speaker:it's the one right prior to this in the lineup.
Speaker:The second reason I'm a new fan of quizzes is the
Speaker:interaction created between your potential customer and your business.
Speaker:Online studies have shown that when you get someone to click
Speaker:once on a button or a link,
Speaker:they're more likely to continue clicking meaning clicking on quiz answers
Speaker:that lead to clicking on a buy button.
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