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Welcome to the industrial talk podcast with Scott MacKenzie. Scott is a passionate industry professional dedicated to transferring cutting edge industry focused innovations and trends while highlighting the men and women who keep the world moving. So put on your hard hat, grab your work boots, and let's go. Alright, thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast where we celebrate you the industry heroes, you are bold, you are brave. You dare greatly solve problems, you're transforming lives and you're transforming the world. That's why we celebrate you, thank you very much for what you do to make our lives better. All right, in the hot seat. Her name is Megan Lynch. She is definitely the president and CEO of six point creative. And I gotta tell you, I was jacked on this particular doggone interview, because we talk a lot about being you know, bold, brave and daring greatly. It's one thing to talk about it. She does it, let's get cracking.
Yeah, which is really interesting when you get right down to it. Also there, and I'll talk about the necessity to be bold, to be brave, to dare greatly, specifically in this time of whatever the new normal next normal, whatever we call it, I got to come up with a better name. However, whatever we're living through. You've heard me talk over and over again about, yeah, there's the negative side. But I think there's the positive side. And I think that there is a desire to be more vulnerable, to be open to be, you know, just the necessity to be able to collaborate, because we need to educate, collaborate, and of course, innovate, especially now. But it's all great. And it's all wonderful. And it's all just dandy. Words, however, there's got to be action to it. And And what's great about Megan, is the simple fact that she does, she recognizes the necessity to be bold, brave and and dare greatly. But what does that mean? How does a business do that? How do we take it today? Whatever this world we live in today, and be able to be able to, you know, survive, rebuild and succeed. And, and she brings that real world that ability to be able to do that. So that, I mean, we need people, we need to constantly be out there and innovating. We need to be out there collaborating. And definitely she brings the tools to be able to do that now in line with what she's doing. I just plant the seed again, industry, industrial talk to Dotto is really just a neighborhood of industrial professionals. Yeah, it's a network but it's a neighborhood, because we have a desire to make everybody succeed, whatever that might be, whatever that level is. But more importantly, it is a great location to find where people are truly innovating and truly having a desire to collaborate. That's industrial talk to Dotto. It's in the works. We're doing it it's a neighborhood because we are bound together we have ties, and whether we like it or not, I think the pandemic has really highlighted the fact that we are we don't have all the answers. But you know what we have out there incredible professionals that understand what to do and how to do it, and be able to share that knowledge with you so that you can survive, rebuild and prosper. That's my intro. It's always the same, because it doesn't change. I mean, we just, we just got to collaborate. It's important to collaborate. Alright. Meghan Lynch,
President CEO, six point creative, we're gonna be talking about, you know, real tactical solutions to that point of thinking, you got to be bold, brave and daring greatly. You can't have that legacy thinking. You got to do it. What does that mean? How do you find that help? She's all about that. She's great. All right. Enjoy the interview. Megan, welcome to the industrial talk podcast, again, an absolute honor that you make time in your busy schedule to talk to the wonderful and bright listeners of industrial talk. That's what they are. Thanks so much, Scott. So excited about it. It's so cool, man. I'm going to have a great conversation. I mean,
listeners, we were having a conversation offline. As you know, we do all the time. We we do that just because we have to. And we were sort of wrestling with the necessity to educate and the companies that truly are committed to education will have no guarantees don't don't go to somebody and say, Scott guaranteed if I educate I'm going to be a success. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying companies that have a greater focus on education, have a greater opportunity for success. And that's all we're trying to create here and Megan brings the lumber in this particular conversation before we get into
That interview before, give us a little 411 on who you are and why you're such an incredible professional.
Absolutely. So I have a company called six point creative. My background is in brands strategy. But really kind of what six points focus is, is to help companies who are at an inflection point, we call them second stage companies that are often family owned businesses.
companies that have kind of hit this point of a plateau have, we've kind of tapped out our existing network, we've tapped out our growth opportunities, but we're still looking for more. And we still feel like there's more opportunity in the market. Those are the companies that we really honed everything that we do to try to help. And I really did that because I have a second stage company. And I just realized that how different the needs are of companies that are established in the marketplace, who have a reputation, who have something to lose, how different they are from like a startup company, and also how very different they are then a large corporation with, you know, deep pockets and multiple levels and lots of internal expertise. These companies are really in this messy middle. And I feel like although they're being served, I don't know that they're often being so like intentionally served right around that life stage in that interesting because I, I can see if you're at a position and you've talked about second stage companies, what define what that looks like? Yeah, yeah. So a second stage company is a company that has anywhere between 10 and 100. employees, like those are loose cut offs, but it tends to be the, the range that you see it happening. And basically what happens is, early on, when you're going into second stage, there's often these like, you start to see just the need for more process. The need everything that you're doing just feels like Oh, man, like when we were super small, this just hummed. And now everything's just like so much more difficult, it's hard for me to delegate things, people aren't listening, you have a lot more people problems, people are asking for more process, and you can't give it to them, right. And then on the later side of the company, this is usually when they've like matured through that cycle. And they have some expertise, and they have some systems and processes. And oftentimes, maybe like, if it's a family owned business, maybe they're bringing in like a professional CEO, with industry experience for the first time, who's going to kind of like lead this company into the next kind of generation. And oftentimes, what you start to see then is like this push pull between the past, which is like valuable, and it's where the relationships are. And it's all this historical, you know, again, from a brand perspective, it's kind of like, the reputation that you have, and the goodwill that you've built. That track record that's so important. And then the push pull between that and then this vision for a future, which might mean doing things differently than we've done them or pivoting, you know, taking our existing product line and moving it to a new market where we see opportunity, you know, something that's coming down the line and that innovation piece, and they're these tensions between like, you know, do we stay with what exists? Or do we do this new thing. And I think often companies look at this as like, I can only do one or the other. And I think what we're really there to say is like, no, there's a third path where like, keep your reputation, you keep your customers, you keep that strength that you've built, all of that is super valuable. And that's an asset that you need to leverage. And you also have this other thing, which is this innovation, this new market, this you know, maybe new sales strategy, whatever it is a new product innovation, those things, that's going to be what's going to sustain this into the future. Because you know, it is it does become a little bit of that grow or die piece of like, if you're not growing, then you're probably shrinking, if you're not out there. So this is what I this is my head and I'm processing this information, all I hear is like it and you need to change and you need to change more, and you need to change. And over here you need to change and change and change and change. And nobody you figure you figure if a company gets to this particular second stage, they've changed, they they put a lot of sweat equity in right now you're saying Hey, hey, you still need to change. I would imagine many of these companies are saying
I just want to glide on into whatever the future. Yep. How do you how do you keep them from saying you don't want to do that? Yeah, well, I mean, I think again, it does become figuring out what is important to them. You know, if if if change is there.
Really, totally unwilling to change and they have no vision for the future will then like that's not going to be that's not really a second stage company because they don't have that next stage vision they're not trying.
So it really what they want and what they have is where they want to stay, then that's great. Like, I don't want to, I'm not gonna mess with somebody's vision for their business. You know what, what I where we really thrive is with the companies that are struggling in this kind of like middle area of like, we want to change, we see it, there's more people who need our product, they often call themselves like we're a best kept secret in the market, I often hear that, that they'll refer to themselves as like, Oh, we are best kept secret. And I'm like, Okay, well, cute. Like, do you want to let that secret out? Because that's not like, it's great that you have the confidence in what you've built? And also you don't have to be a secret.
That's, that's true. It's sort of I've heard that same thing. Sure. Absolutely. We're the best kept secret. Well, then you're leaving money on the table? You're not Yes. That's fantastic. But but but but exactly. Yeah, they'll say it proudly, you know, because they've they've built so much equity in what you know, the product that they build, or their service team or whatever it is. And the but you know, I always look at it as like, there's probably more companies more people, you know, you're always talking about these people are changemakers, they are people who want to help their products get into the right hands of people who can do something amazing with them. And so for me, the question is always, like, you know, don't we want to get that into more hands? Do we want to, you know, increase that innovation in the market? You know, if you have something that's going to change an industry, like you need to let those engineers know, you need to let those product managers know.
You know, and give them the opportunity to use what you've built. So yeah, so Okay, listeners, what we have, we're talking about second stage, companies, that's between 10 and 100 employees. But I think the key here, what Megan has pointed out is that these second stage companies want to definitely focus on growth, they're willing to, you know, deal with the pain of change, and go through that process. And that's, that's a great thing. And don't be a best kept secret. That is where we're at now.
When we start talking about that, what the outside of all that, I would imagine, because of COVID. A lot of these companies been hit pretty hard. Yep. yet they're trying to survive, rebuild, and then try to prosper in this next normal. And what does that look like to you? Yeah, so for me, again, that one of the things that COVID has done is that like, a lot of the companies we work with, we're about to have their best year ever going into COVID, I heard that so much like we are poised for our best year ever. And then they get the rug ripped out of them. And,
you know, that has an emotional like psychological effect on you of well, now I'm going to be a little bit more fearful, like I thought I was doing everything right, I thought I had this figured out, and then this thing that I totally couldn't control, you know, takes all that away from me, and we did not have the gear that we want to have, you know, so it becomes this balancing act of making sure that companies like stay in some kind of comfort zone and keep some kind of realistic, you know, safety net for themselves. But at the same time, I think it's also given companies a sense of like, Hey, we were resting on our laurels a little bit, we were a little bit complacent. We didn't make some of the big decisions that we knew we had to make, whether that was you know, getting a product launch quickly, or whether it was some personnel changes that they needed to make, they're carrying some dead weight, you know, and I think that one of the good things about COVID is that it created a sense of urgency, right? Like I like all the business owners that I'm talking to are like, Hey, we made decisions that I knew I had to make. I just didn't want to make the tough. So
worse my hand. Yeah, this is exactly what I've heard the same thing. It's like, I believe, yeah, there's the pain of COVID. Got it. Everybody knows. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And we're not going to, you know, go through that. But I think there's a silver lining in the COVID conversation, and that is the conversation of resilience, and the truth right now we're having conversations that make sense, right? I'm not gonna sit there and lollygag and, and be lazy. I want to build a business of resilience. Because when this happens again, if it happens, again, haven't helped us. I'm ready. I got a business of resilience. So I see it as a positive thing.
And a conversation in the business of resiliency. Yeah, great. Yeah, absolutely. I think you're totally right, Scott. And I think, you know, one of the things that you talk a lot about is collaboration. And I think that that's the other been the other silver lining of COVID. And I've seen so many really cool collaborations of companies coming together to solve some really complex problems, I was just talking to somebody the other day who they have like a kiosk and cart company, you know, and they serve like industrial manufacturers and food products. And they, they collaborated with some people doing some work in an electric vehicle, technology, yeah, and some cold storage people. And they put together these cool mobile vaccine units that are now being used in healthcare. This is a company that never had anything to do with health care. And now all of a sudden, they're in the healthcare industry. And it was through, you know, three or four small businesses putting their expertise together and saying, you know, what, what do we all have, that could help solve this problem. And maybe if we do it together, we could do something bigger than we might be able to do on our own. And I think that that's such a cool opportunity, especially for these smaller players in the market. Like, if we aren't collaborating with each other, then we are missing a huge opportunity to challenge those big guys, you know, huge absolutely spot on huge opportunity. And and I think that the other positive associated with COVID is the fact that
I can be humble. I don't have to have all the answers. I don't have to be that I go to Scott, he has all the answers got cheese, that's a heavy, heavy thing to carry around. Now, I can be humbled and say, I have I have this answer, but I don't have. I need help to help. And I think it's just a really,
in a weird way, a beautiful realities of the marketplace. I just I don't know how else to put it because, yeah, well, and it stripped away out of the pretense because I didn't have anything of substance to offer. Like people quickly kind of turned away from them and said, like, Okay, well, you know, I don't have time for any more Bs, like I really need to keep with people of substance. I need, you know, people who are problem solvers, people who are humble people, collaborate people who have ideas, not just people who are kind of sitting back going, Oh, shoot, you know, what do we do now? You know, but the people who are out there saying, like, I don't know exactly what to do, but I do know, I have this, does anybody need this?
And I think that that's, that's been really valuable, too. I've seen, you know, again, from relationships that that I have, I've seen kind of like, Who are the people who you can count on and who are the true experts, and who are the people who are those people who really, like truly care about what they're doing, and the people that they do it for. And then you've seen the other people kind of fall off. So, so I see this, this this resiliency model, including, you gotta educate businesses, these these second, look at my notes, second stage companies, the ones that are going to probably fare, okay, are committed to education, committed to
collaboration, and well as there's an innovation component there, they want to be more efficient going forward, I would imagine is that that's sort of like the mindset of the second stage companies that truly want to be, you know, successful. It is, I think that those aren't like when they're at their best, that is their mindset, I feel like the the kind of dark side of this is that these are companies that have put a lot of sweat equity into building what they have, whether it's their IP, whether it's their processes, whether it's their people, whether it's their relationships with their customers, I mean, these are companies who have put, you know, decades of experience into what they have built. And so I think, in their best moments, they are innovative, they are collaborative, they are educational, at their worst moments, they are fearful that they are going to lose everything that they just built, they are fearful that the customers that have been so critical to that process are going to leave them if they see them, like let's say, talking to another market or skipping a distribution model or, you know, kind of innovating too much.
And, and they're also afraid of their competitors, you know, well, we can't educate people too much because our competitors are going to steal our information or copy us. And so they turn into you know, which and all of those things like what you were talking about are all these years that like open people up and make them bigger than what they are the things that I'm that I sometimes see are things that like, shut shut companies down and make them smaller than what they are. And so those are the types of things that we kind of have to help companies work through and they're they're legitimate, like they're founded on real fears.
You know, it's it's not like, Oh, you know, you shouldn't be worried about that just do it anyway, like, these are real fears.
That's a boy, that is is a brilliant point. I appreciate that, Megan. Because I always think because I'm just gonna go out there I just that's me. But these companies that fall into that category who have invested time, energy, effort, money on all of that, over the years, that is a difficult thing to stop. But it's that that's it. And we were talking specifically about that fear of what's holding companies back. And that might be part of that. Right? Exactly. Yeah. And I think that, that one of the things is, is that you really have to kind of like meet those companies where they are and acknowledge that this fear is real, because it's so easy to come in as a consultant, and be like, hey, well, you should do this, you should do this, you should change this. And they're, you know, and it's like, well, it's you're playing with other people's money, these people are playing with their own money with their own team, that's people that they have to look in the eye, whether it's their customers, their suppliers, their employees. And so I think that, that, if we as kind of like the consultants, the coaches, the strategists, if we don't take that seriously, and really, truly listened to those fears, and help not just dismiss them, but help them problem solve for them,
then I think that we are doing them a disservice. And we can put their company in jeopardy, which is something I would never want to do so. So for me, it's a lot about kind of like, hey, like your fear is, you know, your brain telling you something is trying to protect you, right? So let's do a deep dive into what exactly is this worst case scenario that you're trying to protect yourself from, and then let's just come up with a plan to mitigate that risk. And I think that, again, risk mitigation has to be big in the way that we're thinking about growth post COVID. Because, you know, we both need to innovate, and we need to protect what we're building, we don't know when the next pandemic is coming or you know, whatever the next disaster will be. So we need to be smart about that. And we do need to mitigate risk. And I think that that's important. So. So helping companies work through that change management in a way that takes those fears seriously, and helps them put like a very concrete plan together. Because usually, really, most of those problems, if I'm, if I'm going to be like, get to the heart of it could be solved by a really good communication strategy. Like if you're worried that your customers are going to leave you, you need to talk to those customers, you need to confirm those fears or allay those fears. And that will bring them closer to you people do business with people, and so have that conversation.
And chances are, if they've been with you for that long, and you see opportunity to another market, and you're committed to still serving them, they're going to be like, hey, go for it, like we, we want you to succeed, because when you succeed, that means you're gonna better able to serve us too. So. So I think oftentimes, like some of those fears, once you actually start putting a plan in place and doing something about them, they're not as big as people feel like they are when it's just kind of like this, like, ooh, we can't take this, see, you're touching on a point of you can be vulnerable, like, as a business owner, you can be vulnerable. That doesn't mean that you're weak. That doesn't mean that you're, you've got flaws. You're just you're it's as simple as a conversation you're not in when you start talking about nobody. And I mean, nobody had global pandemic in their business continuity plan. Not what, yeah, they might have had a that's that the other thing but not, not the global pandemic. And so it starts with the conversation, it starts with just recognizing,
being vulnerable, doesn't mean that you're weak. You're just saying, hey, I've got to figure this out. Yeah. Well, and honestly, like, you're like, you're like everybody else. I mean, that was one of my biggest pain points starting out my business was I go to events, you know, a chamber of commerce event, an industry event, a trade show, a conference, and you ask all these people like, Oh, hey, how's business? And they're like, oh, business is great.
And then you get like, the same CEOs in like, a room with just them. And they're like, Oh, my gosh, like, you've got to be kidding me like this. This is blowing up, you know, this person isn't doing well. I'm worried about cash flow, I'm worried about supply chain, you know, all these things start coming out. And you're like, Whoa, you just told me everything was great. And you know, and for me, it was such a big lesson. Now I start conversations with maybe like one when that I'm having and one thing that I'm struggling with because chances are somebody else who's you know, in your business and in your circle wants to help you. So if you tell them something that you're struggling with, they might have a solution for it. They might have somewhere for you to go. And so much of that stuff like we keep so close to ourselves. So unnecessarily It's crazy, man. Again, you're hitting on really
Really great, great points. And I hope the listeners are looking at that. We're talking about resiliency. We're talking about collaborating, we're talking about educating, we're talking about risk mitigation, change management. And you know, it gets right down to being vulnerable and having a conversation, a real conversation, not something that is all, you know, hey, as the best in the world, and then you go behind closed doors, and you're just, you know, Oh, my gosh, I get up, what am I doing? I can't get up. And and you know, what the best part about it is the fact that everybody, if somebody comes and tells me goes, this was the, this was a fantastic year and all that stuff. I'd have to just say, buddy, I'm not sure about that. I think it just opened everything up and just said, I, my mind can't handle it. I need help. I hope that's the case. Yeah. Well, and I think like, you know, again, like COVID, even the people who who are like winning, you know, are in industries that have the business have the sales they're struggling with, with workforce and labor issues, or they're struggling struggling with supply chain issues, the people who don't have the sales are struggling with, you know, like, well, we need to get the sales up, we've got the people, we don't have the business. And so I think, again, like it's such an even playing field right now of even the people who you think like, they're so lucky to be in such and such Aneesh because that Nisha is doing well, right now, like, we work in a lot of like industrial,
like construction and things like that, like people making knives, blades, things. And those businesses are doing really well right now, because everybody's working on their homes, their building, you know, like, like, that's going well. But they have, they have problems too, like that creates its own issues that they have to solve for. So I think, you know, it's just a big piece of our process. You know, we call our, the process that we created for the second stage companies solve for why because? And why is in the letter, why, but also kind of like the Why are you? Why are you doing this thing? Why do you want this grow?
Because I think that everybody has some issue, and they have some vision of of how they want things to be in kind of a new future. And if we can take a very systematic approach to like, looking at that and dismantling it, and then come up with a plan to address it, then they can move forward. But right now, so many of these companies are caught in this, like really emotional space of like, we want to do this, but we don't know how. And so we have this very circular conversations internally of like, Are we going to launch this product? Are we actually doing this? Are we going into this market? Or, you know, we're not sure we're gonna position ourselves that way. And the internal teams get so frustrated, because they're just like, are we doing this? Are we not like, they don't care? They just want clear direction on what you want us to do, we're gonna have to wrap the conversation up. And I think that the beauty of what you're just saying, is that, that somebody's just looking for just that. I mean, I would imagine I'm wrestling with a lot of ideas and a lot of things, but I don't know where to go. And I think a conversation with you and your company and others will go a long way to sort of sort of lay that path out. It could be incrementally approached. Exactly. Yeah.
Yep. Just to get them like one step in the right direction. And yeah, so speaking of that, we have a if people are listening to this, and you're like, I relate to some of these paintings, I think we might be a second stage company. We have a landing page set up so it's my website is six point creative. So si XPNT. Creative Docomo, that's si x si x not the number. tricky one. Yeah. And then if you just go backslash industrial talk, yes, we have a, like a quiz that, that they can take your listeners can take right. And, you know, about 1015 minutes of their time, they'll get a not a like, standardized, like automatic score, but we're gonna put together a customized report for them on this is what we're hearing you say, and here are some legs, step one, step two, step three, you know, top
123 recommendations that we would make, and just again, so that they can have that first step of how do I start to get out of this hole that I feel myself in? So all that's for free? And on our website, and there's a couple other tools there as well that people can check out that are particularly valuable the second stage companies, all right, it's going to be out on industrial talk. So don't fear not if you didn't get the URL, it's going to all be there and you're not going to you need to take advantage of this great opportunity. Megan, Megan Lynch, thank you for being on the industrial talk podcast. You are absolutely wonderful. Thanks so much, Scott. So, God, I love it. Love the points that she was bringing up. She's talked about
Bringing the lumber man. Alright, listeners, we're gonna be wrapping it up on the other side. Stay tuned. You're listening to the industrial talk Podcast Network.
All right. Again, thank you very much for joining the industrial talk podcast that's making lunch. six point create creative. She is the President and CEO of how to get stuff done. You need her, you need what she brings to the table, because she is definitely all about your success and being able to do that in a way that expands your market. As you can tell, in the interview, bringing up pepper, absolutely like it. So go up to six point creative.com find out more. I mean, she needs to be in your Rolodex. If you're old enough to remember Rolodex, she needs to be in it. Alright, we're all about being bold, brave and daring greatly. We're all about the necessity to educate, absolutely collaborate. And of course, innovate. We're all about that. We're all about taking action. We're all about making things and we're part of this neighborhood, this industrial neighborhood that is focused on everyone. Success. We need everyone to be rowing in the same direction. industry is changing lives and changing the world. That's what you're all a part of hanging out with people that are bold, brave and daring greatly. All right, thank you. We're gonna have another great interview shortly.