Psychic Skills Assessment: Discover Your Spiritual Gifts & Blind Spots

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Episode 470 • 27th July 2026 • Spirit Sherpa ~ Spiritual Growth for Spiritual Entrepreneurs • Kelle Sparta | Spiritual Coach and Business Coach

I didn't realize that we hadn't done a reading together before, so that's interesting That was fun to experience. . , I'm excited to be able to get, you know, the, the recording so then I... 'Cause I know it's gonna be one of those things that I didn't hear it now.

. You know, or because we talked about it after you had said it, then I'm gonna, it's gonna, like, make so much more sense, you know? Yeah. And not that anything didn't make sense, but you know what I mean. It's just gonna, it's gonna click.. Yeah. So I feel like this is super cool, like, piece to move to the next level, you know?

. Yay. Yay. That's really- That is, that is really cool. Awesome. Okay. Yes, thank you. That's beautiful. Yeah. My pleasure. Welcome back to Spirit Sherpa, where spiritual practitioners, coaches, and transformational leaders learn how to master their gifts, grow their businesses, and change lives. I'm your host, Kelle Sparta, transformational shaman, spiritual business coach, and today we're gonna do something a little different.

Now, if you guys have been, uh, you know, listening to the podcast for a while, you know that we've done SEER readings in the past, the Spiritual Evolution Energy Review readings, where we look at everybody's chakras and we figure out what's going on, where the blocks are, all the things. We're not doing that today, okay?

We're doing a new reading. I've, I've created this reading about a month ago, and Josh and I have been doing these readings for a while now. I trained him, and they are amazing. The, the, the results that we're getting are really stunning, and people are loving them, and I bet you wanna know what that is now, so I should probably tell you.

So eons ago, probably back in: 2020

I'm like, "'Cause I'm scared." And then I, and then I decided I'm gonna do it and, and we had a call, and then I signed up for the class. We did... I did Woo, um, Squared and, uh... Well, Welcome to the Woo, Woo Squared, and then WooU with the psychic, um, development. Mastery. Yeah. And so, yeah, the mastery, right? And so, and so now I'm here doing this.

So you were scared- And I've been to two retreats too. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You've been to two retreats, and you're actually helping to host the third one in- Yeah ... uh, in September, so. Yes. So exciting. Yeah, so she's actually the reason that I'm coming back to the US, 'cause she was like, "If you host a retreat, I'll help you fill it," and I was like, "Okay."

So- Yeah ... uh, that's September 11th to the 14th in, uh, it's technically Reno, Nevada, but it's, it's right on the border of, uh, Tahoe, California. So, uh, we're gonna have that Tahoe energy. So, um- Yeah. And so you said that you were scared. So when you- Yeah ... got into the programs, was it scary? No. No. It was talking to you was scary.

Because you're, like, the Kelle Sparta. Like, and I had been listening to you for years before I, you know, before I, like, took any classes, and then it... I took all my gumption to even, like, ask you a question. I was like, I have this... I don't even remember what my question was now, my first one. But, um... And then, and then you responded, and I was like , "Oh, my God, she's talking to me."

So you- I don't know ... ... call and actually have a conversation. I was like, "Okay, this is so scary and exciting." And then... And no, and you are not a scary person, and it was just like, it was like the, um, like when you meet a famous person. 'Cause in my, in my heart, in my mind, you were totally this famous person that had guid- guided me through all of these things that I was going through just by your podcast, you know?

Yeah. So... And then when I get to meet you, like superhero you, I was like, "Oh, my God."

Well, you know what's so funny about that is that from the other side, you know, I am sitting here talking into the void, right? Like, I'm feeling into the audience so I can feel the questions and the answers and things like that. But I don't see, you know, thousands of people listening to my podcast. I see the screen and the person I'm talking to, or just the screen these days sometimes, and I'm just chattin'.

I'm just having conversations, right? And so then, you know, you, you've reached out actually on TikTok if I remember correctly. That was the first time we talked. And you and I- Yeah ... just, you know, you, you asked a question and I answered it, and I'm just like, "Yeah, somebody asked me a question. That's awesome."

And then I was... I started looking at your stuff and I'm like, "Oh, she's cool. I like her." And I, I started sending you little GIFs or memes and things, like, you know, little TikTok... Not, not really GIFs and memes, but, like, TikToks. I would be like- Mm-hmm ... "Oh, I'm gonna send her a TikTok." And it's just 'cause I was like, "Oh, she's...

You know, I like her. She- Let's do this," right? Yeah. And so from my side, I'm just like, "Oh, somebody cool and new, and this is fun." And you're going,

Right. So, you know, from the other side of the coin, it's, uh, you know, there, uh, it, it's so funny 'cause you said the Kelle Sparta, and the first time anybody ever said that to me was when I wrote my book in real estate. And I'd been- Mm ... a national trainer in the real estate industry, and somebody called and I was like, "Kelle S-," you know, Sparta Success Systems, which was the name of the company, "This is Kelle."

And they went, "Kelle? Kelle Sparta?" I'm like, "Yeah. The Kelle Sparta." I was like, you have never lived until you've had the complete surreal experience of having someone put the word the in front of your name. Right? Can you imagine? Last I checked, how can I help you? I was like-

I'm just little old me, you know? But that's, that's how we feel. And, and so- Mm-hmm ... you know, when you guys are thinking about famous people, you need to understand they're just little old me, you know? They, they're... You know, I no longer get wigged out when somebody says the in front of my name because I've had it happen once, you know?

Yeah. Twice. But yeah- Yeah ... it no longer wigs me out. But, you know, it wigged me out the first time somebody called me a celebrity. That wigged me out. And then I had to- Oh, wow ... think about, well, w- who is a celebrity? A celebrity is someone that people feel like they know that, that the person, that that person doesn't know you, right?

Right. It's just like- Right ... that's, that's really kind of, you know, you're a public figure. And, you know- Yeah ... with 30,000 followers, I think I qualify as a public figure, right? But- I would say so. But it's, from my side of things, I sit in my, my guest room and I podcast, right? I'm just, I'm- Right ... staring at a bed, right?

Uh-huh. A messy bed at that, okay? You know? Yes. But it's just- So human of us. Yeah. It's just, you know, you gotta remember that your, your, your, the people you're, you're following and, and looking at, they're all just people, right? Mm-hmm. And I know it's hard because you, you f- feel the energy that they hold, right?

Mm. But, you know, it, it really is just, just somebody looking at a screen and going, "Hey." Well, and then when I came to the retreat and I actually got to, like, see you in person and hug you, like, that was the coolest thing 'cause it was like this person I've known for so long. Oh my God, I get to hug you. Oh my gosh, it was the coolest thing ever.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I f- I felt the same way, so. Aw. I was like, yay. I love going... I lo- I love doing the retreats. They are by far my favorite thing to do, so. Mm-hmm. Okay. But we promised that we were gonna do the psychic skills assessment. So it's actually a psychic skills and energetic capacity assessment. So we're going to go through...

And you haven't had one of these before, so this is gonna be new for you even though you're trained now in how to do the seer readings. Um, we're doing a modification of that. It's slightly different. Um, but what we're gonna be looking at is, one, what is the capacity of your energy? Are you... Is your energy field solid?

Do you have any leaks, right? Because that's how you measure capacity, right? It's like- Mm-hmm ... can we hold it, right? Mm-hmm. And can you pressurize the container, right? And then, uh, we're also gonna be looking at the four primary forms of, um, energetic readings. Or, um, psychic skills. That's the word I was looking for.

Mm. Psychic skills. So for those of you who didn't hear the podcast episode where I went over what these four skills are, uh, it is sensor, which is empathic abilities where you sense the energies. It is messenger, which is talking to the other side. So mediumship, talking to your guides, talking to, uh, deities, entities, you know, serving as a translator, right?

Um, it is traveler, which is going into the astral and dream walking, things like that. It's, it's going to the Akashic records and doing those pieces. And then energy manipulator, which is better known as magician, uh, manifestor, right? So it's the ability to manipulate energy, to be able to create things and, uh, move things, uh, energetically through the world.

So we're gonna look at all of those in the course of our reading today. So... Okay. Yay. So, uh, with that, I'm gonna ask you, do I have permission to enter into your energy field for the purposes of this reading? Yeah. Okay. Give me one second. I'll be right there.

Okay Well, that's interesting. So I happen to know that you've had somebody reach out to you about an exorcism, um, and, uh, and that that hasn't happened yet, but I will tell you that that entity is circling you, and it's already testing your field because I can see it, right? Okay. Um, obviously it's not getting in because, ha ha, you know how to do amazing shields because I taught you.

That's how that works. Yeah. I know they're amazing. So, um, so just know that... So here's the thing. Anytime you're starting to do work like that, uh, what's gonna happen is, um, even before you get to the process... So like we've talked about this in the CR reading education where sometimes you'll get the information.

You'll, you'll start having the experience of the person that you're about to do the reading for, like that morning. Mm-hmm. Right? And you'll be like, "What is this? Why am I having this? Uh, this is not me. I don't understand what's going on." And then you get to the reading and you're like, "Oh that wasn't mine.

That was theirs." You know, they've already reached into my energy field trying to give me information, right? They're not actually in my field, but my, my field is picking up on the energy of the person. Because most of the people that we read are, are empaths, right? Mm-hmm. And so they'll have a tendency, they'll go, "Oh, I have this appointment," and they'll reach out and touch into your field, right?

You're having- Mm-hmm ... the same experience, only this time it's with a demon. And so- Isn't that lovely? Mm-hmm. Yay. Right? I can tell. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. It's, I'm, I'm seeing it circle you. So, um, you know, the- Okay, so normally I would not put this out on the podcast but we're here, and this is now for, for practitioners.

So, you know, I'm gonna have this conversation with you from the level that you're at. Because you're at the level where dealing with a demon is, is fine, right? It's not like a heart attack. You'd be ... No panic, no ... None of that, right? Um, and so I don't feel the need ... Normally, if I had somebody who was brand new or early stage, I would just banish the demon and be done.

But I feel like there's work that you're supposed to do, and there's ... This is a learning process that has shown up for you, and I don't wanna clear it and deny you that so that you have to manifest another one y- because, you know. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't, I don't wanna do that, so I'm not gonna do that.

I'm just gonna ignore it and move through. Mm-hmm. But just, just wanted you to know it was there. Okay. So all right, so I'm gonna come into your field so I can get away from this thing, um, so it's not interfering with the reading. Okay, thank you for letting me in. Okay. So I wanna start with the pressuring, pressurizing, and check your capacity.

Look for leaks, 'cause it's looking for holes, so w- w- we definitely wanna know if there are leaks. So, um

Interesting. So I feel like I said, uh, it's looking for holes and, and I saw a hole when I said that, and then it was ... I just went to pressurize and it was gone. I think you just sealed it up while I was talking about it. I said there are no holes. And there weren't. See? Yeah. This is the power of intention.

So that's funny. Um, okay, so you're, you're golden there. You, you've got that going on. You're rocking and rolling. You're hoochin' and coochin', right? Okay, here we go. The ... All right, so let's check. I'm gonna, I'm gonna start with the sensor abilities. Um, so this is the aura. The aura is ... We, we know that the aura is solid, right?

So I'm just gonna check into your energy for entrainment

So I know you and I know you well, and you are... You're really master entrainer so, you know. So entrainment, if for, if you don't know the definition of entrainment, guys, um, what it means is that you have the ability to bring your energy and another person's energy into parity, to, like, to bring them together and make them harmonize, right?

Such that you guys are vibrating at the same level is kind of a basic way of saying it, but it's a little more complex than that, but yeah. Um, and so, you know, the, the, the people who make you be like, "Woo, I like you," right? Those are people who are great entrainers, right? They, they bring you in and they, they allow you to, to ride their energy, right?

And so you are a master entrainer, so and when it comes down to, uh, your, your potential, uh, so, so when we do all of these readings, the thing you're gonna get, you're gonna get a, a number for your potential. So normally the potential goes 1 at the lowest and high at the... And 10 at the highest, right? And if you're truly exceptional in something, you end up over 10, right?

Um, and then I'll tell you what you're using of your potential. And so in this instance, your, your potential out of a normal scale of 1 to 10 is about a 14 Okay? You are, that's what I mean when I say you're a master entrainer, right? Mm-hmm. Um, because you, there's, there's this being-ness in your energy field that is all about, uh, being able to connect with others, right?

Mm-hmm. There's a, you, you have a high value on harmony, right? And so that plays into the sensor entrainment pros- process. Now, what does that mean? So, and, and you're using all 14 of your 14, right? So you're, you're already up at your potential there. Um, now could you expand that potential? You absolutely could.

There's some skill set that you could expand into. Uh, but it's not gonna take you so much higher. I mean, give you another extra couple points, right? Mm-hmm. But if you think about it, that puts you at least 50% higher than everybody else's potential, right? So yeah. Mm. Kickass, right? Yeah. Okay. So the sensor's ability to, to use their empathic abilities is super important for when you're doing healing work because it allows you to feel into the body, to be able to feel into the energy field, to be able to feel into the blocks and, and be able to work within that structure.

And that's the, the, the entrainment process. So there's, there's two ways to do, uh, healing work. You can do it through sensor abilities, or you can do... which is a feeling process, or you can do it through energy manipulation, which is a doing process. So they're, they're very different ways of doing things.

So if you learned Reiki, for instance, Reiki is a energy manipulation process, and so you're feeling in, especially when you get into psychic surgery and stuff like that, um, you're, you're moving the energy, you're intending it, you, you... it's, it's a lot of intense head focus Whereas in the sensor side of things when you're doing energy healing work, you're feeling the energy move, and you're shifting your own field within the confines of the entrainment, right?

So you're part of them. It's kind of like what I'm doing with you now. I'm, I'm inside your field, right? You're part of them, they're part of you, and you're... You know where you end even though you're entrained. This is why you don't do this before you get good at knowing who you are and what your boundaries are, because you could lose yourself, and that's not good, right?

So, um, but once you have the skill set that you've got where you are solid in yourself, you know who you are, you know where you end, where other people begin, you know how i- you know how if you come together with someone in union you can pull apart and not leave parts of yourself behind or take parts of them with you, right?

That's what I mean by the healing version of entrainment, right? And so that's the piece that is so helpful for you when you're doing this, is being able to go into that space and, and come out clean, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and so that helps you to move people's emotions if they are having a hard time moving them themselves.

There... And that is particularly, uh, that's something that really only sensors can get away with, right? So this is... It basically, it sets you up to be a, a master healer, and I don't think that's a surprise to you. You work with people in your chair all the time. So yeah. Yes. Yeah. I do that all the time. Yes.

So- Mm-hmm ... but that's where this is. So okay, let's come down into the messenger section. So I'm look at... I'm gonna look and see about your connection to your guides. Woo, bright and shiny connection to the guides. My, my chakra just, my crown chakra just lit up and started tingling. So woof, whoosh. Okay. So, uh, we have a really good connection to the guides.

You're at Damn, girl, you're a 12 here too. Bam. All right. Yeah. I work all the time, so that makes sense. Nice. Yeah. So you're rocking and rolling and, yeah, you got it all going on. Okay. Um, so yeah, this is, this is really high and, and fully potentialized, right? You're, you're deep in and you're doing it well.

So let's, let's look at the higher self piece 'cause that's something that we haven't-

Okay. Yeah. So that's the piece So your higher self is the part of you that is your soul, right? It's your, your soul. And I run into this with people a lot where they, they only give themselves access to this much of their higher self, right? That's like, "Oh, well this is who I am, and therefore my higher self is this much higher."

You know, it's like it's just like th- there- there's a limiting belief placed on what the higher self can be, and therefore you only access what that is. Mm-hmm. And so the invitation to you, because you're at probably a 5 1/2, 6 out of 10 on this. Mm-hmm. And the reason that you're there is because you have this preconceived notion of what the higher self could be.

And- Mm ... so you remember when we started the journey together and we told you to suspend your disbelief? You didn't have to believe, you just had to suspend your disbelief, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and now I'm gonna tell you to, to stop defining your higher self. Okay. Okay? Yes. Just, just stop, stop defining it at all.

Just let go of that definition and let it be what it is, right? Because we, we worry about the definition. We, we set the definition because we're afraid that it's gonna be better or more powerful or bigger than we are comfortable with. Hmm. Right? And, and we- Mm ... we wanna define it because we feel like we have to know, right?

Yeah. But, but you're far enough along in your journey that you don't need to know anymore, right? You know, the beginning of your journey you're like, "I have to know the name of my guides, and I have to understand exactly what's going on," da da da. And at this stage, you know- Yeah ... you're like, "I feel into it.

It feels fine. It feels comfortable. I don't need to know more. Let's just keep going," right? Mm-hmm. And so I want you to apply that to your higher self. Okay? And then that way, that'll open up your ability to access higher levels, and I want you to stay in curiosity about it rather than in trying to define it.

Mm-hmm. So I want you to come into a curiosity play space with it. Mm-hmm. Like a child going, "Ooh, what's in the cave?" Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm gonna stomp in the mud and get in the cave, and it'll be fun, right? Yeah. That's the energy that I want you to, to be in when you're going into your higher self energy.

Okay? Okay. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, right now you're not letting that connection lead you enough because you've got too, too s- restricted of a definition of it. Yeah, and honestly, um, I never thought about my higher self. Right. So- Yeah ... that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So- Interesting ... okay. And then, um, let's check the

Give me one second

Okay So I'm checking your ability to channel, and you, you definitely have it, but you've said no. So, like, you've got a nope on your crown chakra for channeling. And so... And that's a totally valid choice. You know, Cathy and I go back and forth on this. She's like, "Possession is possession whether you give permission or not."

She's like, "Absolutely not, I'm not channeling." And I'm like, "Eh, I'm a channel. It'll be fine. I can shove things out if I don't want them there," you know? Um, and it's, it's just, you know, th- we have different opinions on it. And so you're entirely entitled to whichever choice you wanna make. Um, and so the... Y- and you know you have the ability.

That's really what it comes down to. So you've, you've got a 10 out of 10 ability to channel, and, and if you opened it up today, you would be at 8 out of 10 for being able to use it. But because you're not opening it, you're at a zero, right? Is the opening it just the same thing as everything else, just with intention?

I just allow it to be open? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's... You, you need to have rules for what you allow in, right? And you know that. You took the channeling class in the psychic mastery program, so you, you understand the concept. Mm. So yeah, it's just simply a matter of, of choosing to use it versus choosing not to.

Mm-hmm. Right? 'Cause right now you're like, "Uh-uh, I'm... This, this... I'm fine without this," right? And so- Yeah ... yeah. And that's a perfectly fine answer. Yeah. It doesn't have to be anything different. Mm. Right. Yeah. That'd just be an interesting other tool, 'cause I blocked that one off a long time ago when I was overwhelmed.

I didn't know how to block it out. Yeah. But I was overwhelmed with people coming to see me that I didn't want to deal with their just stuff. I have my own. Yeah. You know? Exactly. So. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. So, you know, as, as for mediumship, um-

So yeah, you have, you have the gift of mediumship. You have the ability to talk with entities if you choose. Um, I feel like it's not utilized a lot. Mm-hmm. Um, so it's a muscle that's weaker for you right now. So, uh, out of your potential, I would say you're probably at, like, a f- a four. Mm. Because... Not because you can't, but because you don't.

Mm-hmm. Right. Right? So it's, it's like, you know- Mm-hmm ... go work out a little bit, you know? Yeah. It's like your muscles will get stronger, right? Right. You do it more, the muscles will get stronger. So... And, and it's a, it's a practice, right? So one of the things that happens when you're trying to do mediumship or talking with entities on the other side or anything like that, is that you have to speak in...

You know, very rarely does someone have a gift where the person actually just talks to them, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, ghosts tend to talk to you, right? Um, but when you're talking ascended masters or deities or things like that, deities that work with a lot of people will sometimes talk to you. And then in fact, you know, they usually talk to you.

But ascended masters, they can often talk in, in a lot of symbology, right? So they'll, like, send you symbols and metaphor and, you know. Occasionally they'll be like, "Did you get it?" And you're like, "No." And they're just like, "Really?" And you're like, "Yeah." You know? So, you know, so sometimes it's about- Yeah

establishing a vocabulary or understanding the- Mm-hmm ... the ch- you know, being able to tu- tune into the right frequency to get the information- Mm-hmm ... that you need. So that's what I'm talking about when I say practice, right? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So let's come into the traveler, and I'm gonna check the third eye.

Oh. Well, I wasn't expecting that. Okay

Okay, so I got a nope when I checked the going out of the third eye to get stuff from the Akashic records. It's like, "No, we don't do that."

So this would be the time when I ask you, what are you afraid of seeing? Um, there is fear there- Yeah ... for sure. What is the fear?

I think The fear is knowing too much And what is knowing too much? What, define too much Like, um, I guess like, um, knowing

Like knowing the scary things. Like I don't want to go in there and, and see something that I don't want to see, you know? And, and saying it out loud, I realize how silly that sounds. Um, but- So you mean like you don't wanna know- ... that's why I've never done it ... you, you don't wanna know if somebody's gonna die or something like that?

Is that- Yeah, for sure. Like yeah- Okay ... the things like the negative things, the things that I don't, I don't want to know about. So I've never gone into the Akashic Records 'cause I've never been like, "Oh, well I have to know," so I go there to find out. Okay. So this would be the time when I'm gonna tell you that, um, you can place limits on what you're allowed to bring back.

Mm-hmm. So that, you know, you can go and you won't receive the answer if the answer is something you wouldn't wanna know. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay? Yeah. And the other thing I'm gonna tell you, because this is usually the other side of that fear coin, is- Mm-hmm ... whatever you learn, you do not have any responsibility for doing anything with it Hmm.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay? You are not- Right ... under any obligation to do anything with that information. Mm-hmm. Okay? Because w- we think that because we got the information, that therefore we have to do something with it, and it's like, no. No. Right. You know? You, you have consequences in your life for what you, what comes out of your mouth, right?

Right. And if you don't want the consequences, you are not under obligation to say that. If spirit- Mm-hmm ... wants the person to know that, they will send it another way. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. The no is a complete sentence rule. No is a complete sentence, exactly. Yes. Right. Mm-hmm. Okay? Okay. So that's- Mm-hmm ... a combination of factors, right?

It's the, "Ugh, I don't wanna see how somebody dies," or, "I don't wanna see that they die," or, "I don't wanna know this," you know, 'cause that's usually the big one, that people are like- Yeah ... "What if they, if I see that they're gonna die?" Well, you know, okay. You know? Mm-hmm. I don't restrict that in my knowledge base because I don't have any upset around it because I talk to people on the other side all the time, so to me death is really weird in that way.

It's just like- Mm-hmm ... yeah, it's change of state. I, it doesn't really mean a lot to me in that regard. Mm-hmm. So I don't have- Yeah ... restrictions around it because of that. But, but I understand why somebody would, and when I felt responsible for the things that came through I really had a problem with it.

But when I gave myself permission to let that go I was like, "Oh, yeah, it's fine. I can learn anything and it won't be a problem," right? Yeah. So yeah. So- Mm-hmm ... yeah. So give yourself permission to not bring back anything that would upset you or, you know- Mm-hmm ... give you pause or whatever. You know, language well so you don't get unintended consequences, right?

Choose your language well- Yeah ... with what you n- what you create for that. But I do highly recommend that you open that up so that you can go and get information, right? Mm-hmm. And then, um, I wanna just take a quick look. For some reason I feel like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you are ... Ooh, look at that. Yeah. Okay.

So timelines. Um, the, uh, the traveler ability also gives you the ability to travel the probability lines. Okay? So timelines is the wrong word, but it's probability lines is the words that I'm looking for. Okay? So probabili- uh, p- p- probability. It's been a long day. Love it. Probability lines are where you can test what's happening, uh, what, what would happen in the event that different choices were made.

Hmm. Right? And so you... If somebody says like, like you've probably heard the story on the podcast about my friend who said that she couldn't publish her podcast because, uh, sh- you know, she had been hung badly in a past life- Hmm ... and still had neck problems from it and whatever. And what I did for that was I looked into the probability lines and I said, "Is she gonna be killed for her gifts?"

That was the first probability line question. And the answer was there was, like, one or two ways in which she might sh- be killed for her gifts in out of all these h- hundreds of different probability lines, right? And I was like, "Okay, is in, in either of those cases, is it going to be by hanging?" And the answer was absolutely not, it's a gun.

And I was like, "Okay." And so I came back and I told her that. I said, "There's only one or two out of 100 different instances, and it's not gonna be by hanging, it would be by a gun." And she went, "Oh, I can do that," and hit publish, right? Because she just couldn't be hung again in this life. She just couldn't do it, right?

Yeah. And so, um, y- you have the probability line. Y- you're, you've got a lot of talent in that regard. When I... Uh, even though the third eye was closed when I went to go looking, the probability went straight out, no problem, solid structure, structurally good, right? Yeah. And so what that means is that you're, you will have the ability to give people help in choosing directions.

Hmm. Mm-hmm Right? And so, you know, if they have, "Do I do this or do I do that?" You can test the probability lines and see how that goes. Right. Yeah. Now the other benefit of, of probability line work is that you can also do healing work in that context, and you can say, "Okay, if I change this..." 'Cause sometimes you get some really complex healing issues and you're like- Mm-hmm

"Should I take this out? I'm not sure if I should take this out." And, and you can test the field, and you can say, "Okay, if I take it out, what happens?" And you can look at the probability patterns and see how it plays out. And then say- Mm-hmm ... "Okay, well, if I don't take that out but I take this out instead, what happens?"

And you can see it that way, right? So now the, the fun part about probability line work is that, um, once you get really good at it, you can also do timeline or time work going backwards in time. So you can actually pull time forward and backward while you're working on somebody. So the, the one... The, the healing that I talked about on the podcast where I had a client who got chomped on on an airplane and called me several days later and it was already too late to do it right now, and it had- Mm-hmm

the poison had spread, it was really bad. And I went, "Oh, I'll just turn time backwards and to- Mm-hmm ... catch her right as it happened and do the work then." Right? Mm-hmm. That's, that's an extension of probability line work. Mm-hmm. Is that like a soul retrieval thing too? Is that in the same category? Um, no. Soul retrieval work- No?

is, uh...

It's a good question. It's not, it's not on the probability line, and it's not in the timeline like that. They're, it's different. Um- Okay ... but in terms of the ability itself, how people do soul retrieval work i- it can be, uh, a sensor thing or it can be an energy manipulator thing. Um- Okay ... just like the healing processes can be that, right?

So you can either reach out- Mm ... and pull the energy back or you can be in the person and, and call that piece back and help it integrate in a sensor perspective. So there's different- Mm-hmm ... different ways of doing it. Mm-hmm. Um, and so yeah. But your probability line work, you've got a lot of ability in, in there.

Ev- and it's interesting because I don't feel like you've done a lot of it in this life, but I feel like you did so much of it in past lives that you're, like, coming in with a bonus. You know? It's- Mm-hmm ... it's like it's, it's already there and powerfully activated even though I don't feel like you've done much of it.

I feel like I do it all the time in my conversations during the day, um, but not on purpose. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, that's probably valid. Mm-hmm. Because I feel like it... There hasn't been, like, an intention to do it, so yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. But yeah, it's, it's, it's at a solid 8 out of 10 right now, and I feel like the only reason it's not higher is because you haven't been doing it consciously, right?

Right. That there's... Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. I will now. Yeah. Go figure. That's awesome. All right. So let's talk energy manipulator. Okay? This one gets a little more complex, so we'll, we'll look at this. Um, I'm gonna start... Oh, wait. Hold on. Let me check. Yeah, I gotta... Hold on. Yeah. Wanna... I'm... Okay, I'm, I'm trying to do six things at once, so my brain just went, "Huh?

What?" Uh, okay. So I'm gonna do the crown and the root chakra right now to determine how you're doing with your connection. Don't, don't adjust it. I can feel you. Oh, sorry. Pause. I was

thinking I was like, "How am I gonna open it?" ... how am I doing? Stop it. I can't see what's true in the moment if you change it every time. This is why I don't tell people what I'm doing. Um. Yeah. Very true. I won't check either, okay? Yeah. All right. So-

Okay, now you can make your changes. I wanted to see what- Okay ... it looked like beforehand. Go ahead and do what you wanted to do. Well, I was, I was thinking, well, I wonder, yeah, I wonder how it is. And I was like, I was looking too while you were looking. Yeah. So go ahead and make whatever changes you wanna make, and then I'll look again

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so you were open already. Um, interestingly, you were open equally on both crown and root when I looked, and when I said, "Go ahead and make whatever changes you wanted to make," you opened the crown really wide. You did nothing on the root. So you put yourself out of balance. Oh. Mm-hmm. So that's an interesting thing to note.

Mm-hmm. Okay? Because you immediately go to the crown. You don't think about the roots. So the... What's, what's the, what's the grounding piece that you need to look at, right? Yeah. So we have a tendency when we're early, um, early to mid stage, um, we will tend to go up rather than go down because- Mm-hmm ... we're, we're like, we want the bright and shiny, woo-woo, yummy feeling of being out of our bodies, right?

Uh-huh. And the being embodied is ugh, meh, meh, right? And so we tend to avoid the grounding, right? Mm-hmm. But you've gotta be grounded if you're gonna stay in the center of the circuit, if you're gonna stay bal- balanced, right? Mm-hmm. So you are grounded, but you just, you amplified the crown and not the root.

Mm-hmm. So, okay? Yeah. Okay. So let me check for a few things here. Mm. Okay. Got a little bit of, um, fear of your own power going on here. Got a little, little old me. Who? Little old me? I'm, I'm... Oh, I'm not, I'm not... And you know, it's just, I'm just little old me. I'm not, I'm not anything big or bad or scary or... You know?

Y- I can be the biggest bad in the room, but I, I put on, I put on this costume and I, I play big. And I go woof. But, but it's a, it's a costume. I'm just little old me, right? You, you... It's, it's very interesting, this energy that I'm seeing. Uh-huh. It's like you have a belief structure that you can be the biggest bad in the room when you choose to, and you, you are.

But it's, it's like it's temporary. Mm. It's like you step into the identity and then you step out again. Mm. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. And, and so you haven't owned the power yet. Yeah. You've learned how to step into it, but you haven't- Right ... owned it. You haven't learned to live in it. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which I, I see you doing more and more, you know, from the conversations we've had, um, you know, in, in terms of how you're interacting in your day-to-day life and things like that.

I see you doing it more and more. But there... It's still a thing you put on. Mm-hmm. Right? Instead of an identity- Yeah ... that you own. Identity piece. Yeah. Suckage, I know. Oh. The identity stuff, man. It's kickass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's cool to be brought into... Or to be, you know, shown that. And like, oh, right. So I can do that.

Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I know you- Yeah ... you know you can. It's just a matter of stepping into it. Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, and you know, part of this is the... And, and this, this identity piece is part of what was fueling the not wanting to see in the Akashic too. For sure. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. So it's in there.

Right. Okay. And the responsibility with that, which I don't have any responsibility with it. I could just... I just am. Right. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Okay. And then, um, okay, so let's look at the... We're gonna do the balance of the masculine and feminine here. Let's see where we are. Okay. Masculine's very busy.

Very busy. Structuring, organizing, coordinating, formulating. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Like, not quite mind on overdrive, but this close, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. That close, right? Um, and so the- The masculine tends to be... Well, let me, let me check the feminine before I say that. Hold on

Okay. So the feminine is all about embodiment. We know that, right? Um- Mm-hmm ... and your feminine is dancing in flowy clothes. You know? She is just dancing her way through. She's got it going on, right? And it's very interesting that we talked about the, the wanting to be up in the ethers and not being embodied because she's very embodied, right?

What I'm seeing is, do you, y- you know the, um, four of wands, right, in the tarot?

Mm-hmm. So where the girls are dancing around the, the wands and the, the four w- wands that are forming sort of a

A word thing. You know what I mean. It's like a pavilion, right? But without a top. Yeah, yeah. Right? With, with- Right. Mm-hmm ... you know. Yeah. So that's the vision I'm getting, is her dancing with other feminine. And so the

It's, it's a very much a creative dance. So, you know, in the energy manipulator section that makes sense, right? Mm-hmm. Um, so it's, it, the dance of creation, but it's feeling very fae-like. So tapping into the... And, uh, uh, does that mean something to you? You're laughing. Well, because my entire life everybody has always told me that I was a pixie or I was a fairy or I have fairy energy or they a- I remind them of a pixie- Yeah

or a fairy. So Well, and, and so I, uh, did you, did you get the, uh, the fairy oracle deck? Yes. It's my favorite. Okay. I figured it would be. Yeah. So have you- Love it. I'm always talking about it ... have you, have you gotten to the dance of the pixies, where the pixies dance- Yes ... the world, and that if they didn't dance the world wouldn't turn, right?

Uh-huh. That's the dance that I'm feeling. Oh, interesting. Okay? Is that- Uh-huh ... that dance that, that makes the world turn. Okay. Um, and so that energy is in there, which is so weird that you've got this, like, not balance in the root chakra. So, you know, w- what do you think that's about? Why, why is it that we're avoiding?

Is there something about the, I don't wanna be a pixie or I don't wanna be a fairy or

'Cause when you were talking about it, you're like, "Ah, everybody says this." No, it just, it... Well, I didn't, I guess I didn't mean it, like, with that exasperation. I think it's, it's more it's, like, funny, you know? Right ... that you said those words, and I was like, "Well, yes. My entire-" "... entire life I've been told that."

Which I have fairies all over my room, at my house. Uh, I... Yes, so no, I don't, I don't have a where I don't want to be. Okay. I mean- At all. I think it's hilarious. Yeah. So. Yeah, well there's definitely- I didn't try- ... the fairy energy in there, so yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay, so let me just check one more thing here

Okay So the, the, the last thing I was checking was your, your will center and your ability to intend your outcomes, right? Mm. And the, and your belief in your ability to move energy, because those are two different things, right? So, um, the, the piece that I'm seeing is you've got really good ability to intend, you've got really good belief in yourself and your ability to do that.

But there is a... And again, this feels like the, the fae energy in there. It's like you're, you set an intention, and then it's like you're walking along the path to the intention, and you're, like, picking flowers along the way . You know? It's like, that's the energy that it, it, that's what they're showing me, right?

Uh-huh. It's like, "Okay, we're gonna get there, but I'm gonna pick some flowers, and I'm gonna take a little side quest here, and I'm gonna do..." You know? It's like... And so that's, that's- Yeah ... it, it's, I don't think it's a problem, but it's definitely not the fastest path to where you're going. Right? I, I think that, that you get some additional really kinda cool stuff along the way as the, when you do that.

Um- Mm-hmm ... but if you need to be fast about something, you're gonna have to find a disciplined path that doesn't do that. Okay? And so if you, if you're doing things like a, an exorcism Uh-huh. Yes ... you're not gonna be wanting to gather flowers on the way, right? Right. Yes. No side quests, you know? Yeah. That's, that's just a distraction.

And if you're trying to- Mm-hmm ... exorcise a demon, you do not wanna be distracted, right? Right. So yeah. Mm-hmm. That, right? Noted. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So in terms of, uh, your pressure test, you've got a, like a nine out of 10. And the reason it's a nine out of 10 is not because you have any leaks, but because you don't pressurize your container a lot.

And so therefore it's not- Mm-hmm ... used to holding as much. Right. And so- Right ... you're not, basically you're not using the full capacity of your gifts at any given time on a regular basis. And therefore- Mm-hmm ... your pressure, your container isn't used to being pushed to the limit that it can be pushed, right?

Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So that's why it's a nine out of 10. Mm-hmm. In terms of energy access, your energy access on a day-to-day basis is at about a seven and a half, eight. Mm-hmm. That's where you were when I found you, before I said do- You know, when I said, "Don't do anything," right? Uh-huh. Yeah. So you know, then you opened the crown to like, oh, 11.

Right. And then you left the root where it was. So you know, you, you have the ability to open it wider. Yeah. You're just not doing it on a regular basis. And again, that's a, a function of, I've got as much as I need and I'm good to go, right? Mm-hmm. So no heart attack, no need to super change anything. It's fine.

But just know that- Mm-hmm ... there's access to more, which I know you already know, right? Um, in terms of focus, uh, your focus, you're, you're really good with the, um, structuring and deciding and organizing and all of that. The focus is good. A little bit... It can be a little bit much. And I know you've got a bunch of kids, and that that's gonna inherently cause you to do a lot more planning than the average person has to.

But- Mm-hmm ... um, there is a, a piece in there that I would invite you to see if you could, like, not hold so tight Mm-hmm ... right? To, to be a little looser with it because you're that close to mine on overdrive, and we don't wanna go over that because then it goes ... And that's not so good. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Okay. And then in terms of your willingness to claim your power, we talked about the identity piece that is, that is standing in the way of that until you fully integrate that. And then the, um... Interestingly, the, the gathering flowers along the way is kind of a resistance to the claiming your power thing.

It's a- Mm-hmm ... oh, I'm, you know, it's that little old me thing, right? It's the- Mm-hmm ... "Oh, I'm not really doing anything. I'm just gathering flowers as I go to cut the head off the witch," you know?

It's like, you know, it's like, "Ding dong the witch is dead. Ta-da-da-da. Let's dance instead" That's You know, it's just, we're gonna pretend- Yeah ... I didn't do that, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. It's, it's that. So I'm, I'm gonna give you about a 6 on this just because of the identity piece, and that's what's pulling it back, okay?

Yeah. Um, and the, your structure's awesome. You're like 9 out of 10. Then the only reason it's a 9 is just 'cause you're, you're working too hard, right? Mm-hmm. Um, too much control pattern. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Um, and for those of you who have not listened before, control pattern is a safety issue. So when we're trying to keep everything and everyone safe, we go into control, right?

Mm-hmm. And so that's the piece that's impacting that and bringing that down a point. Y- on your healing abilities, um, now for the energy manipulator healing abilities, let me check

Yeah. Yeah, this one, this one is not your native ability. Your native ability is to lean into the entrainment sensor piece, and because that is your native ability, you have a tendency to go, "Ew, I don't wanna do that," right? Like, ew, that feels icky to have to move things around in somebody else and just to, to force it, and then, eh, meh.

There's an eh, you know, to that. Uh-huh. So it's not that you can't, it's the ew, right? Uh-huh. And that's fine. I mean, you don't have to know how to do both types of, of energy healing abilities. It's not required. And your entrainment is so off the charts that, you know, pulling yourself back down to, like, you know, third or fourth grade level for the energy manipulator part of it is probably not worth your effort, right?

Mm-hmm. Um, but, you know, it, it could be expanded is all I'm saying. I'm not sure it's worth- Mm-hmm ... your effort to do it, but it could be expanded. So, you know, you're probably at a, you know, four on this because you're just like, "Hmm, I don't wanna," right? It's, it's a- Mm-hmm ... it's not how I like to do it. So fine, don't do it the way you don't like to do it, right?

Right. Not required. Okay. So let's just wrap up here. Your greatest strength is your entrainment, followed closely by your ability to talk to your guides, um, because they are both woof, woof, woof, woof, woof, right? Um, your blind spot has been that identity piece, right? The piece that is- Mm ... in the way of you standing in it.

It's like, I'll put it on, I'll take it off. No, I'm not gonna own it, right? That. Mm-hmm. Um, your growth edge is, is again, the identity piece. It's the, you know, invitation to step into it and hold it, right? Um, the most common mistake that people that are in your space and, of your type make is... Let me feel into what this is.

Hold on.

Yeah. Um, it's performance. So instead of, um, because you're not owning your identity, you lean into performative stuff. You know, you put it on and you're like, "Look at me, I'm big and bad," you know? And, and it becomes a performance- Yeah ... instead of a being-ness. Right. And, and the performance piece will, will end up getting your ass kicked.

Mm-hmm. Because things that take advantage of that will come in underneath that and go, "Here's the robe you're wearing. Let me whip it off and you'll be in your underwear in front of the audience," right? You know? It's like- Mm-hmm ... and they will do that to you, right? So you've- Yeah ... gotta, that's, that's the, the, the challenge is not going into performance, okay?

Mm-hmm. Um, and the next skill you should develop, I would say, um, I would really actively develop the work around the, the, uh, probability lines- Mm ... and start to actively, consciously do that and, and then the time shift. Start practicing going backwards in time, going forwards in time to- Yeah ... work on, on people within that context, okay?

Mm-hmm. So in, in this case I know you do hair, and you do energy work while you do hair. So if you're doing, let's say you're doing a wedding, and you're doing- Mm ... the preparatory for the, for that. And, and you could actually go forward in time with that bride who's in your chair and say, "Okay, uh, you're at the altar.

You're calm, you're clear, your heart is open, you're present." And, and you can do that and you can set that intention for them, right? If you're doing somebody who's pregnant- Oh ... and they're gonna go into labor you can do some energy work and set the, you know, go forward in time to the birth and make it easeful and, and all of that.

That can be done within this context, right? That's cool. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that would be the next skill I would recommend developing for you. Um, okay, do you have any questions? 'Cause we've covered a lot of ground. Um, no. Nope. Okay. Not yet. Okay. No, I think when I listen back to this, um, things will start to...

You know, 'cause it's so much information. Yes, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it definitely is a lot of information. So, um, okay. So how are you feeling about the reading at this point, then? Oh, it's so cool. Because I feel like now that you've broadened my, uh, my awareness to certain things like the embodiment, you know?

That now I can see myself taking it off and then putting it back on, and I just never, it never occurred to me to just not take it off. I, so it was like a sub, it was like an, a subconscious thing that I was doing. So it, it feels like it's gonna be really cool, a really cool change to just not have to worry about putting it back on, 'cause it's just always there.

Yeah. 'Cause it is just a part of me, right? So that is really cool. And then giving myself permission to go into the Akashic, that seems really exciting and less scary talking that through, so that's really cool. Um- Yeah. I'm just ... This is really cool. I just wanna know. It's like, it's so much information that it's kind of like, um, where are the words?

You know? Yeah. Like, to describe it, you know? And by the way, having you in my energy field, I've heard you talk about that before, how people feel, you know, different or whatever, and I've been so blocked with allowing anybody in my energy field. So having you and allowing you in there, holy shit, can I just say.

Wow. Yeah. So say more about that so people understand what you're saying. Yeah, so, um, it was like, um, um, okay. Words. I ... It was, like, not overwhelming, no, but definitely, um, an energy surge. I got really warm. Right? Which I know you run that way. Yeah. Right? But it was, it was not a warm from me. And it was not a scary warm or hot or

It was a very comforting warm, but it was definitely a surge of foreign energy, I guess. Right? But- Yeah ... and none of it felt negative or anything like that, but it was like, whoa. You can feel me, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah. Very much so. Mm-hmm. Which is, it- it- And I could kind of feel where you were ... ah, okay. Yeah. That's, that's interesting.

Yeah. Oh, that is interesting. And that's the polar opposite of what Josh said when he had to do his test to read me for the seer reading. 'Cause that's actually part of the, the training, is that you have to actually do 10 readings for people, and I have to be the last one. Right? It's either me or Cathy depending upon, you know, who has the time.

But, um- Yeah ... you know, so you're, you're like whoosh and all that, and Josh came into my field and he was like, "Oh my God, it's so quiet." He's like, "I don't know where to look." Uh-huh. You know, it's just like, it's just quiet. I'm like, yeah. It's amazing what happens when you do the clearing work. You get quiet, you know?

Yeah. Um, so yeah. The ... This is, this is awesome. And I'm, I'm so glad to hear that. And yes, as per usual, I can't help myself. I'm always giving information and, and you know ... It's, it's a lot of information. It's always a lot of information when I do a reading for somebody. So this is why we record the sessions, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I just wanna bring- Yeah ... I wanna come back to something you said. Um, you said about the, uh, putting it on and taking it off and not taking it off, and it's just part of me. Mm-hmm. I wanna change your language. Okay. Okay? It's not part of you, it's who you are. Oh, right Right? Yeah.

This is identity. Right. Yeah. It's not a part. Oh, that's a big difference. It's a being-ness. Right. This is who I am, right? Who I am, not part of me. Ooh, yeah. Big difference. That's a big shift. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay? Because- That feels way different. Yes. And it is. Mm-hmm. It's way different because, you know, it's, it's not, oh, this is a part of me, which is still going in and out of it, right?

It's like, oh, well, I'll- Right ... be this part of me today and that part of me tomorrow. No, no, no. This is who I am. It is inherently a part- Yeah ... of my being-ness. It is not a- Yeah ... a thing that I s- sway into and out of, right? Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Okay. Rock and roll. All right. Awesome. Yay. So I'm gonna pull my energy field back now, so I'm not still in your energy field.

Ooh. Whoa, okay. I'm looking at the demon, and it's less happy now. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh, like, mm, yeah, okay. Um, this was well-timed. Yes. Gotta love when you schedule something a week and a half in advance and suddenly, you know, bang, the right thing happens at the right time, and that's just how things fly when you're, when you're rolling with the shamans, so.

Yeah, it's not shocking. That's it, you know? Okay, so with that, guys, if you have learned anything from this and you... Uh, please share it with a friend, because they will love you for, for sharing the education with them. If you would like a psychic, uh, energy asse- or psychic assessment and energy capacity reading...

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What you intend is what you create. So choose wisely.

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