Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Today's guest, Veronica was back
on our show in May of:
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:she talked about animal cruelty
, and she is back with us today.
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:Hi, Veronica.
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:Veronica: Hey, how are you?
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:Dixie: I'm good.
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:Welcome back to the show.
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:Veronica: Thank you for having me.
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:I appreciate it very much.
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:Dixie: There is an important issue that
you wanted to bring attention to today.
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:So give us a little bit of
a summary on that issue.
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:Veronica: The issue is abandoned pets at
rest areas and it seems to be an epidemic.
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:That is continuing.
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:And specifically, there's the
welcome center in Escambia County.
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:When you're traveling east
from, let's say Louisiana.
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:It's the first welcome center when
you cross the Florida state line.
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:And there's close to 50
cats and kittens there.
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:That are trying to survive.
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:About a year and a half ago I stopped
at the welcome center and I saw there
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:was about 11 cats, and it disturbed
me you could see that the cats
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:were terrified but were not feral.
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:They gave me every indication
that they had been owned at one
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:point or, belong to someone.
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:I hate to say the word owns.
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:I'm trying to get away from that, pet
owner, I like to say pet guardian.
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:Just because, the, implication
that, pets are property is
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:something that I don't agree with.
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:Forgive me for saying owned.
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:But yeah.
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:I was disturbed.
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:They were vocal, they were following me
for food and wouldn't let me touch them.
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:A lot of people don't realize
that feral cats generally, will
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:not vocalize because meowing and.
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:Such is to communicate with humans and
feral cats don't have a reason to do that.
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:And they very often won't even
come out in the presence, of
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:a human that they don't know.
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:So I was disturbed by that and I started
writing letters trying to, just see,
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:they were not ear tipped and that
disturbed me and they were very skinny.
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:So I fed them and I started
traveling back, a couple times
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:a month at family in Florida.
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:I couldn't get any response.
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:I did finally speak to the manager
of the welcome center, and he
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:was very rude and uninformed.
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:He said, these are, fifth generation feral
wild cats, and they've been there forever.
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:I said, sir, they're not wild
cats and they need to be cared
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:for and they need to TNR.
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:There's no need for that is what he said.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:Even if they're fifth generation
cats, like why aren't they TNR?
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:Veronica: Yeah, why aren't you allow
'em to get to the fifth generation
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:?
I was real nice.
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:He Was real rude and I said, and also
they're starving and that's not a
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:good look, for the welcome center.
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:He said if you wanna keep talking about
it, you're gonna have to take it up
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:with the Department of Transportation.
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:So I went out and bought that day.
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:A bunch of automatic feeders
and a few huge bags of cat food.
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:And I left it in front of the front
door of the welcome center just
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:to nudge him in that direction.
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:And so it was right at a year later
I was traveling through and counted
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:I think it was 43 cats.
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:Wow.
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:And then in the meantime, I had joined
a lot of groups in the Florida area
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:and the Pensacola area and TNR groups,
asking is anybody, you know on this, I'll
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:donate, I'll come there and help TNR them.
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:And they said, they've never allowed,
they won't allow us on the property.
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:And so I just, couldn't understand and
I posted again in the groups and said,
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:now there's like almost 50 cats and
kittens, in a year that's what happened.
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:And everybody was defeated.
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:I think people have tried in the past
to talk to the facility about tnr and
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:have just been shot down repeatedly.
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:And so they're defeated and
don't wanna try anymore.
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:I couldn't shut up about it, of course.
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:So I started writing emails.
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:I wrote emails to the governor's wife.
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:I found their contacts for their
assistance, wrote emails to them.
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:The Department of Transportation,
got many emails and calls,
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:and finally I got a response.
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:I don't know, what letter or email made it
work, but the Department of Transportation
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:and the engineer got back to me about it.
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:And at that point he said, thank you.
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:It was basically, thank you for caring.
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:We are gonna handle it.
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:We're going to, and it shocked me.
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:And I guess, at that point I
realized, oh my God, am I responsible
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:for the demise of all these cats?
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:By bringing it up?
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:By pointing it out, because he had
said, we're going to trap them.
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:Our landscaping crew is going
to trap them and relocate.
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:We are not going to re-release
them onto the property.
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:And I said, so you're going to trap them,
not fix them or vaccinate them and dump
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:them somewhere else to die and essentially
make them someone else's problem?
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:Is that the way they look at it?
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:Dixie: That's stupid in itself when
you have people that will go do it for
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:free just to take care of the cats.
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:So why are you gonna pay your
landscape people to do that?
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:Veronica: A hundred percent.
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:And I, sent back a very lengthy email,
touting the benefits of TNR, that the
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:cats are not a public health risk.
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:And then it got a little deeper, Dixie
it, it started to become a thing.
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:I started posting on groups and
encouraging people to email this engineer
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:who with all due respect, he has no idea.
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:This is way out of his wheelhouse, he's
irritated to be tasked with this job,
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:of fixing the quote unquote cat issue.
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:So I had some people that did reach out
to him and then, I kept getting looped
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:into all this discussion and emails.
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:I was trying to explain that it's in
not only inhumane to quote unquote
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:relocate these cats to another
area where they'll surely die.
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:And he said we're also
gonna put them at shelters.
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:And I said they're gonna
definitely be euthanized.
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:Shelters are over capacity and.
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:That is a bad use of Florida's resources.
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:Why would you stretch the shelters
even further when you can TNR?
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:And there are people willing to,
colony caretakers who are willing
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:to take on the responsibility
of caring for them, feeding.
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:It was just Dixie as a brick wall,
and I reached out to every national.
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:Nonprofit like Alley Cat Allies is the
one that honestly I thought would jump on
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:the, on this 'cause it aligns with their
mission directly because the way this is
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:handled at the Florida Welcome Center is
how it's gonna set the precedent for how
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:Atlanta and animals are handled all over
the state at, on government property.
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:And so that's why it's very important
to me that it's done correctly.
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:And I tried to explain to
him that you can't use your
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:landscaping crew to trap cats.
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:Are they trained, in trapping
cats, do they know what to
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:do with a lactating mother?
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:Do they know to cover the traps up?
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:All of these things.
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:And he had originally said we are
moving forward with our plan, but
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:thank you very much for your input.
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:And it turned into a week later.
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:We're putting a halt on our
plan because we cannot find
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:shelters to accommodate them.
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:And if you'd like to come on, on
site and trap, we will allow it,
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:but you cannot re-release them here.
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:And I'm like, there's
nowhere for these cats to go.
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:It's really like , I've been
chasing my tail with this guy
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:for, probably five months now.
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:And what do you think about this?
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:What is your take on, or is there
something that I'm overlooking that would
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:be an option to try and solve this issue?
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:Dixie: That's a tough one.
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:At least you got the permission
to go trap on the property.
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:So that is step one.
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:Where are you gonna find a colony
that's gonna be able to accommodate
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:them, or, especially that many,
you're gonna have to break 'em up
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:into several colonies and at several
acclamations that you would have to do.
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:I guess you have to look at it
as a little bit of a win though,
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:because you did get that permission.
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:Yeah.
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:It's moving forward, but where
you go from here is the question,
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:Veronica: And I've, yeah.
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:And I've gotten, the t and r groups, like
I said, they were a little bit defeated.
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:'cause they've tried this with apparently
this is as far as it's ever gotten.
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:This has been an issue.
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:As I understand it for several
years at this, particular welcome
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:center and what I've also come to
understand is that it backs up to
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:a naval base or a military base.
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:And when a lot of the military gets
deployed, they dump their cats there.
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:When they get reassigned or get deployed.
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:So I also encouraged the
engineer I gave him options.
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:I said You could put up signage,
like why is there no signs that
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:says no dumping of animals allowed?
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:That's basic.
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:And talk to the people at the military
base and make it known that they
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:cannot leave, abandon their pets there.
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:And they haven't taken any of those
measures that was just there last week.
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:It is a win.
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:You're right to have, people are
willing to go there and trap, but
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:they're of course all, they're
stretched beyond capacity.
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:They're like where are we gonna take them?
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:No one big Sky offered to, they
might be able to take a couple,
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:but it's a really devastating
thing because, they're out there.
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:I just went again recently
and there's so many kittens.
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:And a lady I know that goes
there and feeds occasionally,
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:she said, I'm watching kittens.
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:There was four kittens run over today.
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:And it's also just such a bad look,
for a Florida welcome center to.
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:Allow this to happen.
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:So I am now trying to get all
the big nonprofits involved..
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:I can't even get a response.
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:And I've emailed, I've
called every number.
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:I've even mailed, I've found out
the contacts, like the direct
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:contacts for the founder and nothing.
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:But Lady Free Thinker, that is the
only one and there's a couple others,
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:but Lady Free Thinker is the only one
that actually has supported the effort.
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:Dixie: Have you contacted
the Department of Tourism?
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:Veronica: Thank you.
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:No, Dixie?
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:I haven't.
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:See, that's why it's so good to have
you know what I mean, to brainstorm.
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:I have not, and what would you suggest?
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:How should I approach it?
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:I tend to approach things a little
bit aggressively, I guess you would
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:say, because I'm so passionate.
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:What do you think would be the best way
to reach out to them and say, what do you
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:Dixie: think?
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:Frankly, just like you
said, it's a bad look.
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:Especially for people
who are animal lovers.
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:I'm gonna say fortunately
and unfortunately I have
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:not seen the cats there.
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:We go to Florida a lot.
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:We usually stop there.
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:I haven't seen 'em because when I see
cats at welcome centers, like I freak out.
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:And I'm like you I would have
to go back and get some food.
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:I'd probably have to go stop at that
first exit and go back around and be
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:like, oh, I gotta go feed these cats.
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:And I'd be looking for the ear
tips and I'd be worried about 'em.
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:So I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself on
my trip because I'd be worried about going
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:on my trip and coming back and stopping
and checking at the welcome center again.
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:Veronica: Yeah, exactly.
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:Dixie: I think that if you were just
frank with them about that I mean
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:there's a lot of animal lovers in
the world, and when you go drive up
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:to a welcome center and you have to
see a kitten that's been run over by
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:a vehicle, that is a very bad look.
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:It looks very bad for the state.
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:Veronica: Yeah, and I agree and
Florida's made some big strides
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:lately with, animal welfare.
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:And so I would think, and I'm hoping
that maybe, like I said, this guy, this
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:whole cat thing is out of his wheelhouse.
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:And I think that's a great, amazing idea.
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:The Department of Tourism.
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:It's interesting because Alabama
Welcome center coming, I believe it's
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:actually coming back, it's coming down
west when you're crossing Alabama.
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:It's a lovely site.
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:There's a few beautiful big, healthy
cats that are lounging around and I.
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:Asked what the deal was.
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:And she said, oh, we have
an someone that works here.
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:He gets them, he traps 'em and
fixes them and then, cares for them.
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:And I said, it looks so nice.
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:It was, these peaceful cats, they were
beautiful just lounging in the sun.
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:And so I tried to bring that up.
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:I said, it'd be a great initiative,
for, just tourism in general to
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:actually take care of these animals.
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:'cause children are seeing this,
they come to the state and and the
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:cats follow people because it's,
very obvious that, a lot of 'em
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:are just terrified, not unfriendly.
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:They are not allowing people to feed them.
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:I keep encouraging people in Pensacola.
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:I keep making posts, if you're
traveling to Pensacola or you're in
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:Pensacola area, if you could, you
bring them a little bit of food.
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:And they said, oh we were told not
to feed when we went on the property
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:i don't follow rules like that
when an animal is in distress,
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:but I know a lot of people do.
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:So I started telling everyone just
to mention the engineer's name
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:and say that he said it was all
right if anybody says anything,
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:I ran into a lady just last
week when I was coming through.
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:She was there feeding.
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:And she said my husband and I
drive this way twice a month and
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:I couldn't believe that I'm seeing
these, and they're just adorable.
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:And there's so many
little kittens right now.
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:And she said, so when we drive
through, I make sure to bring lots
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:of cat food and feed them all.
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:And it was really a nice moment because
I'm like, to see someone else that cared.
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:And I told her the situation and she said,
I'll send an email to the Department of
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:Transportation, pressure, them with TNR.
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:I just don't know.
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:It's just such a catch 22.
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:He won't allow, them to be rereleased and
there's just, I said, in the meantime,
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:allow them to be rereleased on the
property, just so they stop multiplying.
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:Because can you imagine where
this is gonna go in another year?
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:Dixie: No.
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:I can't because you started with,
a few basically about 11 and
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:you're up to 50 already, and that's
what some of them passing away.
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:So what is the number gonna
look like in, in the spring?
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:Just in the spring,
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:Veronica: can you imagine kitten?
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:They're gonna be literally overrun.
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:The cats will have nowhere to hide.
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:They'll be all out in the open.
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:. I just don't think they're
seeing the big picture.
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:Dixie: And then the other thing,
since you mentioned that it is
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:backed up against that base.
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:Have you checked maybe with the
base to see if they would be
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:okay with the cats being released
back there if they're all tnr?
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:Veronica: I have not done that,
so , that's a great idea just
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:to talk to somebody over there.
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:I looked it up and they became an Audubon.
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:I don't know what this means
exactly 'cause it was cloudy
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:when I did research on it.
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:An Audubon property.
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:I don't know where they
stand on community Cats.
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:I did find some information that said
like a while back they were against
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:Community Cats, the Audubon Society
because of, birds and the bird population.
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:Then I read something else
that said that they believed
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:in TNR and it Escambia County.
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:Period.
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:They have a TNR initiative countywide.
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:And I asked him, the chief and
engineer, I kept pressuring him.
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:Why are you not bringing
animal control on board?
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:Like, why have you not
contacted any local rescues?
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:So what I did was I sent him a list
of people, trying to be helpful.
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:Like you can contact these groups.
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:It seems to me where it gets
uncomfortable is that if you are
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:trying to do the right and humane thing
by these animals, why wouldn't you
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:have contacted animal control first?
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:Do you see what I mean?
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:Because animal control is gonna
tell them to TNRI know it.
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:They, 'cause they have that
initiative that I think it's.
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:Ally Cat Allies actually
started down there.
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:Dixie: Did you try contacting the shelter?
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:Veronica: Yes.
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:Yes.
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:And that's another odd thing.
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:I've called, I've emailed, I have
written regular letters, and I finally,
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:about six months in, I got one phone
call from an animal control officer.
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:She said, what is this that you're saying?
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:And I said, I just can
explain the situation.
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:I said, they are planning a mass trapping
and dumping of these cats, and that's
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:against Florida's animal cruelty laws.
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:That's illegal.
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:And she said if they were doing that, I
would know about it and hung up on me.
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:And that obviously was just
like her ego couldn't take
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:the idea that she hadn't been.
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:Invited to the party or whatever.
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:So that was odd.
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:And then she's never answered the phone
again when I've called her, because I
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:called her, the number back directly.
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:So then when I started thinking
about it, and then it started to
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:get a little like more uncomfortable
because I'm like he'll allow people,
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:he must know it's against the
law, to trap and just go dump
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:cats in an undisclosed location.
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:So he will allow us to do, come on there.
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:And is that because he knows I
just started feeling uncomfortable.
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:Is that because he knows they
could be held liable for doing it
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:and they're trying to, is that the
only, maybe the reason he decided
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:to allow volunteers to go and trap.
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:'cause if they did so they in fact would
be violating, animal cruelty laws in the
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:state and could be held liable for that.
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:So that's where it got a little weird for
me, I just started feeling like there was
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:some kind of undercurrent of something
more going on that I was, being told.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it's a
really tricky situation.,
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:Veronica: I feel if he's allowing
volunteers to go do it, then they don't
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:have to take on any of the liability
or the repercussions of what could
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:come of them trapping and dumping
somewhere, if they have, other people
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:do it, that's not on them anymore.
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:So that was when I started,
reaching out to people that were
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:volunteered to trap and I said,
let's just hold up for a second.
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:We don't know what their motivations
are and for all we know then they,
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:call the police on the trappers.
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:Like it could be a really ugly situation.
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:And so that's when I
started calling the news.
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:I started calling the news
stations and writing emails to, the
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:investigative reporters in the area.
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:Letting them know that, , they
were gonna violate the state laws,
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:the Department of Transportation.
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:And there was a couple people that
got back to me, a couple news stations
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:that were interested in the story.
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:Two of them told me to keep them
posted about what had happened and said
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:thank you so much for responding, but
I need you to do a story on it now.
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:Not after that happens.
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:There's, a lot of lives that
are gonna be lost through this.
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:I told them, then finally I was just like,
I'll update you as time goes on, because
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:I think the last thing that the Department
of Transportation wants is a bunch of,
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:animal welfare advocates protesting
on their property, because that's
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:what it's about to come to, I think.
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:Dixie: That's insane and I
can't believe none of the press
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:will get involved with it.
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:Veronica: It's very strange.
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:I guess it's because, the press like,
wanted to get involved, after the fact.
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:Oh, let us know and
we'll do a story on it.
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:I said I'm trying to save lives.
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:It's not a story for
after the, these cats are.
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:Euthanized or dumped and starved to death.
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:It's a story for right now
to prevent it from happening.
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:And I don't know if it's, maybe
because it's a government property.
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:I think a lot of people are
gunshot and get involved.
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:So that's all I can imagine.
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:Dixie: Is there a public area
that's like adjacent to it
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:somewhere that you could trap on?
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:Veronica: It's such that welcome center,
I think, as is just such a weird location.
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:The only thing close to it is that, like
I said, the the Naval base, which is a
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:great idea for me to reach out to them.
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:And I just need to figure out,
the Audubon Society protocol,
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:if they're super against.
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:Community chats, then
that's gonna be a No.
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:I'm hoping that won't be the case, but
if anybody out there would be willing
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:to just email this chief engineer and,
push the TNR because that's really,
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:it's literally the only way, and every
day that goes by, there's, more litters
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:are being born and it's just it's
like pushing water back in the ocean.
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:This guy's just not getting it.
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:No matter what, it is decided eventually
for , right now it, the problem
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:is just, multiplying, every day.
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:And I think that, and it's also a horrible
thought, to think these cats are starving.
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:'cause so many people, like
the manager of the facility
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:said, oh, they eat, they kill.
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:I said, sir, that's a myth that you know.
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:Domesticated cats can
just survive on their own.
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:Especially ones that were abandoned.
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:They rely on humans
to, to feed themselves.
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:And he said, oh, the cats
rats and this and that.
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:I said, it's, from what I understand at
least, it's very rare for a domesticated
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:cat that once lived with a family
to go out and be able to eat rest.
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:Dixie: That brings up another
interesting Point maybe they do wanna
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:TNR em and keep 'em around afterwards,
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:Veronica: My friends that I go to
Florida lot, they were saying, my
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:kids would love that to see cats.
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:But a lot of my friends have
been like, what are they doing?
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:They look like starving.
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:And we don't ever, we have popcorn in
the car and they go into the cats, we
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:feed that to the cats and they eat that.
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:The whole thing is just
a very sad situation.
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:And like I said, when I just went last
week, there was the most adorable.
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:They're all adorable.
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:But these kittens that had, there were
probably, I don't know, six weeks.
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:And I put the food down and the mom,
and it's the same mom that just probably
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:a few weeks or a month before that I
had seen her pregnant and videoed her.
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:And sure enough, she had her babies and
they are just, the cutest little things.
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:And Dixie, I gotta tell you, I put
the food down and the mom came over.
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:Sniffed the whole plate of food,
checked it out, backed up, came back,
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:ate a little piece of it, and it wasn't
until she swallowed that little piece
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:that she looked at the kittens and
they both came up and started to eat.
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:And I thought that was really just
so special that she went and tested
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:the food essentially before allowing
them to come and eat any of it.
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:Yeah, it's so sweet.
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:I hadn't seen that before,
so , that was new to me and I
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:thought that was really nice.
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:And these are kittens that honestly,
I feel, could be, just scared.
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:They could definitely become pets.
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would get involved, that would be, I
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that the Department of Transportation
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:would go against the recommendations of.
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animal shelter in the area.
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trap 'em and dump them somewhere.
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say to t and r and I think that's what
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why they don't reach out to them.
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:So I'm just asking for anybody's help to
just maybe send an email encouraging TNR.
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it's a lot of suffering going on
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:Dixie: It's very sad.
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cats that you're talking about.
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:'Cause I know going on I 10 East,
I think it's the one that's in the
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:rest area in Mississippi or if it's
the first welcome center in Alabama.
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:They have cats and these cats eat a lot.
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:They're big fat cats, aren't they?
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:Yes.
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:Because we always see 'em and I still
feel bad for 'em and it's I know they're
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:eating 'cause they're really fat,
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:Veronica: Yeah, they are.
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:They're so fat.
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:And that's what I loved.
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:And when I asked the girl, she said that
it was an, an employee, like I said.
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:A few bags of food over there.
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:I said, that's so wonderful.
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:I'm dealing with a situation
right across the state line.
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:And I tried to tout that to the engineer.
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:And I embellished a bit.
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:I said, in Alabama they've been praised by
tourism departments nationwide for their,
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:empathetic and wonderful CAT program.
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:He didn't want to hear
it, he wasn't interested.
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:But yeah, the cats are
fat, they're beautiful.
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:I love going there because, it's
heartwarming to see, but , it's
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:interesting that I think maybe
they put the wrong man in charge.
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:It does not wanna budge, so
I'm just gonna keep trying.
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:I'm not gonna give up.
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:It's been now a year and a half
I've been working at this and I.
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:It's, it's daily that I do
something to try to, fix it.
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:I'm still sending emails to
animal control and still making
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:phone calls and leaving messages.
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:I just feel if I could get them on board.
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:Do you think it's a jurisdictional issue?
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:Because it's a government property, do
you think that makes a difference of why?
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:I haven't been getting any responses.
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:Like is it that such a separate entity?
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:You see what I'm saying?
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:Because it's government owned.
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:Dixie: I don't know.
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:I'm at a loss, honestly.
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:I
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:Veronica: know.
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:Is it right?
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:Dixie: Like I said, I would say call
the department of Tourism because
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:I couldn't travel to Florida, see
that and enjoy my trip in Florida
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:without worrying about coming back
and seeing if , the cats are okay.
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:And I know I'm probably not the only
one, there's probably other people
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:like me too, that you're gonna go
and especially at the welcome center,
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:that's what's welcoming you to Florida
and that's what you have to see.
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:And for animal lovers,
it's very upsetting.
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:Veronica: Exactly.
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:I think too, and I'm the same way.
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:Like I worry and the lady that I
ran into that travels through there,
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:that feeds, she said, I make my
husband, go to Pensacola, she's it's
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:difficult to get there coming east.
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:Like , it puts an extra, I think
like maybe almost like 45 minutes
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:on your trip because it's something
about you have to double back.
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:There's not an easy way to get
there when you're going east.
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:And she's I make my husband do
it because I just feel terrible,
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:and she's now it's getting cold.
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:And so people have volunteered to put
some shelters out there which that's
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:not gonna go, he's gonna say no to that.
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:I did send an email asking, but
he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
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:And, I've kept everything very cordial,
very nice, but with every single
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:correspondence that goes back and forth
from me it has a whole thing about, how
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:your TNR is the only way and why and how.
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:I know that it's illegal to trap these
cats and dump them in an undisclosed
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:location that is illegal, whether
you're the government owned property
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:or not, that would be violating your
state's own animal cruelty laws.
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:And I made that very clear to him, and
it finally came to me saying the state
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:of Florida is not gonna look good.
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:With , the Department of Transportation
committing abuse against animals
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:and it was a veiled threat.
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:But I think he understood that and
he is we're halting, for right now
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:until we can find farm homes for them.
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:And I was just like, , what
world do you live in?
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:I was like, what farm homes?
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:There's not farm homes
for 50 cats right now.
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:Just it's just a, it's, the lack
of education on the subject and the
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:inability to open their minds enough
to learn about it is just what's,
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:causing the problem in the first place.
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:Dixie: Would he even be open to
a compromise I know this would be
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:difficult, but even if you only had
to find a place for half of them
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:to go and leave half of them there.
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:Veronica: Thank you so much.
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:You've come up with some really
great ideas and I'm gonna try that.
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:I'll reach out to him tomorrow and
say, what about, a compromise like you
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:said because , I think they probably,
there's some groups in Pensacola that
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:could acclimate them to their colonies,
a few and like the kittens, those could.
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so those wouldn't be as hard to
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:place because they're kittens.
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:So I think that's a actually a really good
idea and just, then , maybe not so many
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:and they'll stop reproducing because it's
just bizarre to me that they just don't
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:care that they're reproducing as we speak.
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another 50 in six months.
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:And then I just encourage anybody
that's traveling that way.
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:I I posted on a lot of trucker
websites, trucker groups on Facebook
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:which I think is the neatest thing.
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:I don't know if everybody knows they
have like truckers, that are just
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:strictly driving all the time, that look
for people's lost and found lost pets.
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:If you post there, if you've lost a
pet somewhere on one of their routes.
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:They look out for them and
they'll post when they find an
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:animal and what the location is.
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:And I think that's a really, a neat
resource that I didn't know about.
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:So you know, if, post there, I just
try to keep reminding people if they're
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:traveling that direction, if they could
bring some food and, just get involved
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:even a little bit would really help.
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:So these babies don't suffer.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:And then if any of our listeners have any
suggestions, please let Veronica know.
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:And please, oh please send emails.
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:Veronica: It's the Department
of Transportation in Florida.
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:And if anybody I'll comment on
the link of this podcast with the
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:direct, information of who to email.
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:Because, it takes a village for sure.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:And what I'll do is I can include your
contact info and then you can go ahead
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:and, provide all of that to them as well
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:Veronica: oh, okay.
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:Great.
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:And I really appreciate you,
Dixie, for this podcast.
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:It's great.
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:I love, it brings so much awareness.
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:There's so many different areas of
animal welfare that need to be addressed.
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:And thank you for letting me speak
on this 'cause it's really close to
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:my heart i'm gonna figure it out.
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:I'm gonna figure it out.
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:I can't just do nothing.
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:I've gotta keep fighting
for the cats there.
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:Dixie: Yeah, absolutely.
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:I think you'll get it figured out too.
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:You're relentless yeah.
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:I'm not gonna give up
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:Veronica: because also it's it's true.
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:What if the, they decide this is
how we're gonna handle any abandoned
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:animals on government property.
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:That's important.
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:If it sets a precedent for how
the whole state of Florida and
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:then other states copy them.
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:So like it's real important that
they figure out a protocol that
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:a way to do this, that's the
right way, that's a humane way,
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:Dixie: yeah, absolutely.
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:Absolutely.
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:Thank you for taking care of those
cats and bringing them food and then
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:trying to resolve this situation too.
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:Veronica: Thank you so much, Dixie.
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:It's been a pleasure.
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:Dixie: Alright.
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:It was great talking with you.
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:Thank you.
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:Have a great night.
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:That's it for today's episode.
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:I wanna thank everybody for
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:in need, whether that be through
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