As the planet awakens, increasing numbers of people are reporting spontaneous contact with loved ones in spirit that leaves them confused and unsure what to do. Psychic channel Pam Johnson explains what she believes is fueling this phenomenon and why it will continue to grow. This is an important conversation drawing on Pam’s over 30 years of experience working with clients, not to mention an incredible personal story about her ongoing partnership with her deceased husband (who joins us for the conversation!) They explain how grief can be a spiritually transformative experience once we learn how to connect to our loved ones in spirit who are always with us, ready and eager to love and support us on our spiritual path.

Pam’s offering to our listeners:

• Connecting Through the Veil - a free webinar that teaches you how to connect with someone who has passed can be downloaded at connectingthroughtheveil.com 
• Pam’s Book on Amazon - Supernatural Love, A True Story of Life and Love After Death
• Pam’s free Facebook group - learn about love in the afterlife every week: Soulmates in the Afterlife 

Connect with Pamela Johnson:

• Pam Johnson - Facebook
• @pamalan808 - Instagram

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• RoseHope.ca
• Rose Hope - Facebook
• Rose Hope - Youtube

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About the Guest:

Pam Johnson is an inspirational speaker, author, and channeler who lives in Honolulu, Hawaii, where she met her husband, Alan, during his first visit to the islands in 1990. Born in London, England Alan was a natural-born medium who had contact with the spirit world from early childhood until he passed away in August, 2020. For well over 30 years, they maintained an active practice, working as mediums, channelers, and healers. When Alan returned to Pam he asked her to write a book with him that would show people how to continue their relationships through the veil, and gave her the title: Supernatural Love, A True Story of Life and Love After Death. Pam and Alan teach direct spirit communication through private sessions and their group coaching program, the Supernatural Love Academy. They also teach about love in the afterlife every week inside their Facebook group, Soulmates in the Afterlife.

About the Host:

Rev. DeeAnne ‘Rose Hope’ Riendeau  B.Msc, HADM, PIDP, NLP is a thought leader in spiritual and business development whose mission is to elevate how we think and live. Experiencing a life of chronic illness, and 2 near death experiences, DeeAnne rebounded with 20 years of health education and a diverse health career.

She is known as the modern day Willy Wonka for giving away her company Your Holistic Earth, which is the first holistic health care system of its kind.  She is currently the owner of Rose Hope International, in which she helps those who are seeking more joy, love, freedom, and a deeper meaning in life using your souls library also known as the Akashic Records. 

She has spoken at Harvard University, appeared on Shaw TV, Global Television, and CTV and has been recognized as a visionary and business leader having been nominated for numerous awards including Alberta Business of Distinction. Along with being an entrepreneur, DeeAnne is a mom of 2 bright kids, publisher, popular speaker and international bestselling author who uses her heart and her head to guide others to create their best life. 

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Today's special guest is Pam Johnson. Pam is an inspirational speaker, author and Channeler, who lives in Honolulu, Hawaii, where she met her husband Alan during his first visit to the islands in 1991. In London, England, Alan was a natural born medium who had contact with the spirit world from a very early childhood until he passed away in August of 2020. For well over 30 years, Alan and Pam maintained an active practice working as mediums channelers and healers. When Alan returned to Pam he asked her to write a book with him that would show people how to continue their relationships through the veil and gave her the title supernatural love a true story of life and love after death. Pam, with Alan's help teach direct spirit communication through private sessions and their group coaching program, the supernatural love Academy. They also teach about love in the afterlife every week inside their Facebook group soulmates in the afterlife. Please help me to welcome our guest today, Pam.

Oh, welcome back to all of you. We're so happy to be with you on When Spirit Calls, and you have learned all about our beautiful guests. Today. Pam is in the house. Hi, Pam.

Hey, hi, everybody.

I'm so happy to have you. You know, when I saw the title of your book, I just was like, Okay, there's something I need to do with this woman, I need to chat with this woman. And the reason is because I lost somebody that I love deeply. And I oftentimes would joke that I have a better relationship with that person now that they're dead. And I know that that might sound like dark humor, but bear with me, because you are going to share your story. And you're going to help us to see what I really mean by that. I think So Pam, why don't you start us off by telling us your love story.

But I will do that before I have to just address what you just said, because of the things my husband said when he came back to me was pan, isn't it better that I'm dead? Watch, and I goes because I'm more knee and you're going to become more you because in connecting with me, you're just going to come alive. And this is what we agreed to do. By the way, you know, I my passing was planned and I was a complete shock to me. And then when he said we're gonna write this book, I thought a book like I'm okay, what do I do with that? So he just said, Just tell your story. Tell your story to people. Okay. And so I'll get into that in a minute. But the way the way this all began was I met Alan in 1990. When he came to Hawaii for a visit. He was a psychic medium in the from the UK at a natural born medium. And he had begun doing his psychic work at a later age. He was above 52 When I met 5253. So he's traveling the world and, and getting a lot of notoriety for that and hosted by a lot of wealthy people because they'd recognized his abilities. And so I met him when he came to Hawaii because I born and raised in Hawaii, I was working at a new a store in Honolulu at the time. And he walked in the store and long story short, we got to know each other, you know, ended up getting married, and I thought we were gonna do spiritual work together. You know, you would think that right? Like your partner is a psychic. You're a psychic. But that never happened. And I was actually it was actually one of the disappointments of my life if you'd say because because I wanted to teach with him because he was doing that with his psychic friend at the time. And I thought, well, I want to do that. But a lot of other things interfered in that and it wasn't until he died. At the age of one he turned 83 On his birthday, he died. And he nearly came back to me and he said, This is what we're meant to do. This is what we're meant to work together. And I thought you're kidding. So I had to wait till I'm at that time. I think I was 68 and I thought okay, that was the bet he died in 2020 at the at the movie that when COVID was kicking up and but he didn't die for him that he died of injuries due to his dementia that he suffered a fall. So but he came back to me and he said this is the work we've just planned to do we plan before we came into this life and and I because I always wondered why I was stuck. doing all these things and knew all these things, and I didn't feel like I really found my mission. You know, I didn't really. And yet people were very in love with my work in love with my what I would do, and I thought, but yeah, but I'm not feeling it, you know, I'm not feeling this is my passion. And I, I didn't find it till the past. And then I could feel that this is what I was born to do that I was preparing all those years to do. And he was going to do that from the other side. And I in fact, had a friend who is very spiritual, who said, Well, I always knew that Allah is going to help with the ascension, but I thought he was going to be in a body. But now I see that he's working from the other side. So basically return the same, we're gonna work together, do readings together, I do channeling so it's like channeled readings, where I oftentimes will bring in the loved one of the other person that is mediumship, but not quite, if you know what I mean, you really, so it's not like I'm actually embodying their loved one. And it's sometimes quite intense, because I feel their love. And then I'll just be them. And I'll express what their say. And it's been fascinating that journey, but we're also teaching people how to make that contact through their veil, because even though I was and am a practicing psychic channel, it was still hard for me. I mean, I still doubted and I thought, am I making this up? Is this I'm going to talking to myself, you know, all psychics will do that, right? None of us think like, oh, yeah, I got it. Like, I know every like, no, no, we're like, the ego is like, Are you sure? So I have to go through that. And luckily, you know, he kept saying keep talking, keep talking, keep believing. The point is you got to believe and you know, everything you need to know, like in other words, somebody asked a question, I would get the download of what the answer was, because I've done that this for 30. Now going on 36 years. And he's helped me see that really when we teach because we teach now teach people in our what we call our supernatural love Academy, which is a coaching training program, if you will, but it really is more of a program to help people spiritually awakened, because I discovered that that was the key, it wasn't about becoming a psychic reader or even a media, I mean, everyone's a natural media for their loved ones through the veil, because of the old bonds of love, right? You don't have to go to school to talk to someone you love in the spirit world. Like that's for mediums to want to train to do that for strangers. But for us, we don't need to do that. And I'm finding that the people who work with same thing, like they're big enough contact, they're there experiencing things. And so our work is really just to teach them the the nature of reality, because a lot of people don't understand, you know, that we create with our thoughts, and that our limiting beliefs are the only things that could get in the way of anything, including connecting through the veil, because that's it, it's not about becoming the most profound psychic because I have met mediums who still can't talk to their loved ones. On the other side, they have to go to another medium. And I thought that's ridiculous. Like, I have people they're not mediums are talking to the spirit world. And you know, come on, it's not about that. It's about your level of awareness, you know, and whether you've cleared out what is in your way, and that's what spirit always told me, they said, You don't need to add anything to yourself, you need to remove what's blocking you and get clear on what the truth is. That's all you don't there's nothing to learn out there. Because you already know it. So you it's about just receiving that information from Divine Mind which every soul has access to. You don't have to go to school for that you just have to believe and then trust and so that's what we do with our students and in our free Facebook group which he says I want to plug because we do teach for free in our group soulmates in the afterlife and we written through cystic about continued to teach every week for about a try to make it half an hour but I can never keep it to half an hour I'm always going to an hour I just find this always over delivering I just like that because I'm so passionate about helping people break through their grief so that they can connect because he's really isn't that hard. Not anymore I think you would probably agree things have shifted. So people can open up to this like that they just have to give it a chance you know and and relax and and not doubt about it. So our role really is to just keep reminding them of who they are, who they can be and and say yes your loved one is right there feel them like tap into that believe what you're experiencing because it is absolutely real and all about so Oh, I don't know. I hope I summed up like like, why it's true. Yeah. All right, yeah.

But there's there's so much there. And I know you had to shorten the story for us for our listeners. But you know, I want to share, you know how beautiful it is that you found this human being that you loved so much, and that you and your humaneness, believed it would be while he was still here and his humaneness that you would teach together, and you had that vision. So you know, in your heart, you're in a teach together, yeah, just that it turned out a little different and a little different, like, so now he's still very active, I can sell energy. So I feel like I'm interviewing both of you. So when you are doing your work, because you referenced the we, you know, we've got this supernatural love Academy, and so you have committed still, even in your relationship after death, to be part of his world and his hidden part of your world. So can you share what that interaction looks like for you guys? Like, does he come through all the time? Does he leave you alone? Here are the valuable? I'm curious.

Well, right now there's no bounded because that's why, you know, intention, and everybody can have set their own intention. Yeah. But because we're partners, and because we're twin souls, and all that, and it's just part of it. And so it's almost like, I can't have a thought that he's not part of, if you will, and, and to some degree, I always feel him because that was our agreement on both sides. So it wasn't just like him, saying, I'm not going to leave you. I'm right, like, and I said, Yeah, I want you to always be here. And so yeah, he's always they're always present, he's more alive than he was when he was in a body, quite honestly, he was somewhat dissociated when he was in a body because of his emotional issues. And that's another thing people find out as they read our book that were really even though we were both professional psyches, everybody, a lot of people tell me, they relate to our story, because our human relationship, marriage was not perfect, as most relationships are right, as so they could identify like, oh, yeah, my husband was like your husband. And, and I really relate to it. So he said, we had to have those human issues so that people could relate to us. Otherwise, what would be these, these gurus who just had this perfect relationship? And what do you have to learn from that? Right? Like, oh, you just were born lucky. Or you're already enlightened? No, no, no, no, no, we were not enlightened. And nobody really is enlightened. Because you're always learning and growing. Even when you crossover. There's no end to the evolution. Enlightenment is not really what people think it is. But so he's very much part of my life. I hear him is like he's commenting. Well, he was kind of did that when it was nobody would tell it's like, but now he now he says, at least his advice is actually useful. Poker, he didn't really know all that he knows. And now he'll tell me things. And I'll go, really anything else? Are you Pam? I know, I finally do know everything. And when I say that, I say that a little tongue in cheek, because it's not literally like he knows everything, you know, but but because he can't. He says he can't tell me everything. Because there's things that I have to learn myself. So he's like a guide, in some ways, a partner, for sure. Even a lover still. And I have people in my academy that are having that kind of physical interdimensional connection with their partners, okay, let to say, we we in our academy, call it supernatural sets. That's a real thing in our academy. And so it's, it's fascinating for me to watch what's happening with the people who are studying with us, because they're having more profound experiences than I'm having. Wow. And I'm thrilled about it, because spirits said that that would be what I would see happening that I'd see people have it really took off because everyone's different, but Aladar, holding the space. So when I teach when I'd work, he comes through, I'll feel him sometimes more strongly than others. And I'll know when he's really more speaking here for himself than me, but it's always kind of blended, you know, it's not like, it's so different. And he said that the reason we didn't work together when we were married for 30 years was that we were actually kind of blending and during that time, and we were always together, we were very rarely apart. So we're always together, and we were very compatible. And yet the relationship was somewhat emotionally flat. You know, it was it was loving. It was positive in all respects, but there wasn't passionate. You. I think, you know what I mean? Like some couples, they love each other. You can feel that you have a good relationship, but they're not really alive. They're not really passionate. They're just kind of going through the motions, you know, but they're not depressed this well. Alan says he was depressed, but I was some salt sort of maybe but so you You know, that's how we experience it. It's very, it's just he's just always there. And he's always like advising me or say, Well, you decide what to do, you know, give you the information, but you decide what to do. Or he'll say, No, you need to go to urgent care right now. Okay. All right. Yeah. I want you to go to the doctor right now. All right.

Well, it's beautiful that like, a lot of times their human characteristics do still come out in the afterlife. I'm curious to know, like, because he's now a different kind of version of himself. Does he show up differently, aside from knowing more knowledge? Does he does he is he more warm? Is he less heavy as he was as a human being, I'm just curious to know, the sheer

how you was different. When he was in a body, He was impatient. He was, he could be let's just say. The, the mandate, sometimes he had this real shame mentality, you know, like, like, like any monarch, you know, would be generous with his, his peons, or I'd love people, but to expect like, you should serve me, like, I'm held like, I shouldn't be serving you. And so he had that attitude, though. He was a double Leo, Leo sun in Leo moon, but so am I. So the problem was that he wasn't treating me like the queen or is equal. And he was more like, you know, you're the servant to the king. And I go, Hey, wait a minute, you know, I'm your I'm your partner in a literal sense. So now but he crossed over completely different, completely patient understanding supportive, right? Just just always has this wisdom to give me or somebody else but he's still really funny because he was British. So we're talking about a little bit Monty Python crazy. Now we're his favorite Ricky Gervais. That kind of thing. That was my husband's so he still is can be very funny and will and even our clients and students will say, when they say I heard Alice say this, and they just said I just laugh. Like, he's just so funny. Oh, yep, that's, that's him. You know, he's funny. But he said on the higher realms, they actually are very funny. They actually have a lot of emotion. And in fact, he says the archangels are actually a bunch of comedians. Like, like, like, there's a comedy club, I guess up there and have it here. All the arcades are just doing them some except this is what's so funny. buddy told me. They're all steady. Except we don't know what's been Archangel one of the arcane skills. Oh, god, what's his name? But when that begins with an M, my dad helped me out. Metatron Yes, yes. The eldest Metatron he says Archangel Metatron is so serious. I don't know it's

it's funny because I actually see that I totally Yeah, all the way see though.

I'm so glad to confirm that for you. Because that was like, what he goes in now is that the humor is, is just laugh it and joke in here like that is I'm soaked. Thank you for confirming that for me go. I had no clue.

Yeah. Metatron when Metatron comes in, usually Metatron is quite to the point.

Oh, okay. There you go. Okay. Yeah. Well, the rest of those guys. They're just high five in there. Just like in a good time. i Oh, yeah. No joy, my joy. I love it. Joy, just having fun.

So I've got a few questions for you, for those that are listening. And maybe they do want to connect with some loved ones. But there's. So I want to ask a little bit of a politically charged or spiritually charged question. Because, you know, I was working on a book a while back and mediumship in the Bible says no, this is of the devil. And so I prayed on it. I said, Okay, God, show me a sign that you know that I'm on the right path, like give me a clear sign. And the wind literally blew the front door of the house. I was in open and out direct in my line of sight across the river on the top of the hill was a cross. And so I knew that spirit that God has said, Okay, you're on the right path. It's okay. Even though it says this. What do you do when people kind of say, Oh, you're working with devil's work, you know, what is your response to that? Or or, you know, what do you say to that?

I mean, like just saying negative things like you should okay. This is this is a challenge that I've noticed is that and an Alan was a natural isn't natural for me. He says that was is a natural born media. He always was had this question that bothered him knowing because he wasn't medium and he said, How does the medium know that they're really talking to the dead? Because he knew that a psychic could get all the information easier than talking to the deceased because we're energy beings right? So you could Read anybody and say, Well, this is what they're going through. And this is, how many houses they lived in, and all the all the stuff. Okay, all of it. I'm not saying all psychics do that. But I'm saying that is possible. And I've seen that happen. I've even heard immediate say, that is very much easier to read the data than it is to talk to them. As she said that that's the dilemma that some of them fall into reading them, because they are challenged to deliver some extraordinary details that nowadays, Netflix and Amazon Prime meet on these specials make it look like oh, you should just be able to tell them every single thing. That's really not what happens in many cases, because the Spirit is the one who should really is really deciding what they're going to say. And they may not really give a rip that you we impress the client with the names of every street they lived on. And they're even maybe even the way they died. Some of them I've heard them said, Well, I talked about that. Like, I'm over that like, so what are you going to do when somebody asks you well, how did they die? We go, you'd have to go read them, you'd have to go get that information, if you're concerned about that. So so when I have people say, How do you know? You know, that is right or wrong? And I don't know, but but the thing is, if we understand that there's only oneness, there's only god, there's only oneness, how could it be wrong? And how could we even be separated because they don't die? Brunette, dead, we just don't have a body. They're just in another dimension. And humanity is evolving. And part of that evolution is to raise our consciousness to be quasi spirit, quasi spirit, you know? In other words, that's why if people being able to communicate with the other side, right, because we're raising our cup, going closer, we can't go into the fifth dimension, because we'd have to drop our bodies to do that. But our minds can or might can go, that's why people have near death experiences. They didn't drop their body, you can go visit, you can't stay, that's all. And Eaglin I teach people how to actually go visit the spirit world and connect but more importantly, their loved one is trying to reach them. And we're meeting them halfway is but yes, so. So when people say well, you're holding them back, because communicate, we have to let them go. And this is the standard line from what I understand. A lot of mediums are telling me, you have to let the dead go. Life is for the living. And I go wait a minute, but they're living too. What are you talking about? They're not dead? Like till death do us part, wait a minute, they're not dead? Why do we have to part that's just the body folks, the consciousness that they are can still be here. Because thanks to quantum physics, we know that we are multi dimensional, we exist in all different levels of reality. We can be here we can be on the other side, but it cannot hold anybody back. We're not that powerful to hold that soul back from what it wants to do. Who do have do we think we are? alike? That's ridiculous. So the soul does come to connect. But if we don't believe if we our belief system says you're dead and gone. That's it. And the medium told me that you're going to you know, I have to let you go you're not going to evolve? Well, I don't want that for you. So I guess I'll let you go. But that's Alice's This is Poppy caught. It's like that's just the mediums belief system. And that's what we're bumping up against. In our work to be honest with you, he told me that we would find resistance from mediums who are actually tell I hear I hear from other people that are in some mediumship groups that they're actually they're talking about themselves, like they're against direct communication for of their clients. In just some pockets. You're in their combat setting. Everybody thought I was trying to malign all needles at all. But I can see that because what is in it for them, to encourage their clients to go make direct contact, especially if they don't know how to do that. Teach them that right. Like, I don't know how to do that themselves. So why should they encourage you? Right? So I have had just so many people tell me that they ever told me information that then Allen comes through and says That's wrong. That's not true. You can't hold them back. And all I can do is say this is what my husband says you can take it or leave it. I'm not attached to it. If you doesn't resonate with you, by all means go on by Believe what you want to believe. I'm just here to say what he's telling me at what I feel in my heart resonates as truth because I've been in this field for 30 long climb. Yeah, time. And I hear spirit, ask the question and I get the download of information. And so when I teach quite often I'm just channeling the class and I'm surprised myself at what I'm telling them but I know it's coming from higher mind you know, and it's not coming from me because be honest with you. I haven't read that many books I have a study With hardly anybody, I'm a true mystic in that I was taught by the other side, because I opened up in 1987, when there was maybe, you know, all the spiritual books could fit in one little corner of a major bookstore. And that was it. You know, there was no hay house, there was no, there's no teachers on a mass level, there was no Internet, there was none of that. So I heard spirits saying we're teaching, you know, and then from then on, even now, I just know what I know what I need to know it, and they show me what the truth is. But people, nobody has to believe it.

Right. And, you know, I love that you just, you just said, you know, take what resonates? Leave what doesn't? Absolutely, I think for me, what it comes down to is, it's about the intention. You know, if I'm connecting through a seance to like play around in that space, and not actively be intending to do something out of love or out of healing, then it starts to become maybe more of that dark, ominous energy. But what you're telling me is that, you know, there's some deeper truths around the healing process for all of us that are still here in our human form. So let's say someone's listening, Pam, and they, they want to connect with a loved one. But they've been struggling to do that. Are there any tips or pointers? You can give people?

Sure, a lot. Yeah, I give them a lot in our Facebook group all the time, and have to keep repeating it because people it's hard to, for them to hold on to, especially when you're grieving, right? So so when you're deep in grief, it's like there's a wall that it's hard for spirit to break through. And I'm sure you kind of aware of that. It's like, it's, it's just hard. So you got to get through that got to process it, feel your feelings, but start to if you start to believe, you know that it's possible to perceive them and hear them and feed them even, then you make it easier for them to come through. So because usually, they are trying very hard. They're almost like I see sometimes they're jumping up and down, going, I'm here, I'm here, like, Can't you hear me, you know, and of course, if you're grieving is really hard. But one thing Alice said to me at the very beginning, and I've seen this with so many people, he said, spirit has, it's really easy for spirit to put their thoughts into your mind. That's how the messages can come very easily. But people will dismiss it and say, I'm making that up. But if something just pops into your awareness out of the blue, Jeep, consider that that's them. Especially if you want the communication for Wednesday. That's to be like your intention. I want the communication that like, oh, I have to believe you can have it right. Because if you are sitting there going there, dad, I will never hear from them again. I mean, that's shutting the door. But if you say I'd like to hear from them, I'd like to perceive what my loved ones try to save in your opening the door. Right? So then the next thing is trust, which you build hearing. The thing is the conscious mind is designed to really doubt question or even theory, in some cases, thinks it doesn't understand. Because it's, it's wired for survival. So it's thesis that the threat, like what do you mean, you're talking to somebody in the spirit? Like, so it's, it's going to question like, what is that? That can't be, you know, right, if you're thinking to yourself, is that my mother talking to me, but it could very well be your mother. So I tell my students that I would tell them at this, I'd say, if you are open to communication and ask, ask for that just openly in your mind or out loud, I want to connect with you, Mom, I want to hear you feel you see whatever way you can come through. I'm open and I'm going to believe Okay, so I issue the seven day challenge. I go okay, for seven days, just believe that every single thing is a sign. I don't care how, you know, crazy it is right? Because what Allah showed me is that we're giving them because of the power of our belief, the energy to come through the spirit world and deliver that, that will then prove it to us. Because we'll go oh, they this happened and this happened, and this happened. And all these synchronicities will start happening because we are here creating this reality anyway, we still know that we just think it's happened happening randomly. But we are creating every bit of it. So I say create this experience with sound. But then somebody will go but then I'm making it up and I go you're already making your life up that you already are and you're making a life up. Chances are that you don't wait. So how about you make up the life that you prefer? And then what will happen is, things will start happening to you that just go oh my god, that is just crazy. That synchronicity, that miracle, that blessing, right and you go there's something to this. That's how you start proving that the world is truly but you know, benign, benevolent, it's oneness and that you are creating the relationship to the veil. I tell you by students, I can't create this for you, I'm just holding the space is showing you that it's possible because I've got the connection if one person can do something that means others can't and is just,

I love it. And you know, it's I oftentimes tell my students when they're struggling to connect, I said, let your imaginations

Yes. Right. Yes, he's right. Because your imagination is how you create, yeah, this reality you're create co creating with them the connection, right? Because, and it feels like you're making up because you use your intuition, which is on the right side of the brain. And it's always going to feel like you're making up and we psychics know that we're just get used to it like, Okay, I'm making it up. And the more we make it up, the more it's accurate, right? Like, the more you don't care exactly, that that ego get out of the way I do. Yeah. Like,

I do have another question for you. Thank you so much for those tips. But I have this other question. And I feel like someone needs to hear the answer to this. When somebody leaves their body and goes into the, you know, into the other dimensions, if you will, into the spiritual sense, you know, and they come back and they visit us when they reincarnate. Can their spirits still visit us? That was a cry now is coming up Sunday.

So my understanding from spirit and from other sources that I trust, other spiritual sources I trust, is that the greater part of us always remains in the spirit world. Okay, we never leave the spirit world. And that is why whether somebody incarnates or not, you could always communicate with them, because the greater part is always there. And in fact, if you understand and accept the concept of us being multi-dimensional, yeah, and we're expressing a small part of ourselves into, I don't know, 100 different lives or in 100, different realities, whatever it may be, right? So does it really matter if they if we incarnate or not, or if we stay there, or go to planet Pluto or something, whatever it doesn't consciousness is, is always there were always one, we cannot not communicate with anybody unless we don't believe we can't. So that belief is the determining factor. Everything else is just oneness. There's the saw there is,

I love that you keep bringing out belief, because I think that's such an important piece for all of us in what we want to perceive, we can decide what we want to believe. And we can SSH into our own vibrational frequency our heart in order to determine what it is in which to believe

Exactly. that the product that we have the freedom, the power to choose, right, we have freewill. And we are here to create whatever reality whatever world we decide we want, we prefer. So in my group, I chatted me we're creating this world. And because people coming together, we have more power to create that because because this is a time of The Awakening. And it means right rising to fourth density, which is about new consciousness, it's really about people coming together. It's not about hiding out there in a mountain somewhere unless you're guided to correct because don't get me wrong, because some people that is their mission to hold the energy for the planet or something, right, that's different, because then they'll feel enlivened by that they'll just thrive in doing that. But other people could be running away and hiding in the hills. So, but for most of us, it's about coming together, whether they're physically online, or both, or whatever with those who you are in resonance with because we're all creating our own realities. And we were really at a train station where we're choosing which train we're going to be on, that we're all going to same destination. But what are we experienced along the journey, right. And in my trade, I call it we call it our supernatural love train. We're experiencing connection with spirit world guides, angels, and our love was as as if they're right here talking to us with and in case of partners, they could also be kind of viscerally engaging with us, like physically engaging with us because they're energy beings so we can't feel their energy. It's not like you feel nothing and no, you know that because you can feel tingles goosebumps, like pressure I people feeling kisses, touches, like there is physical, absolutely physical contact. It's not like you smell nothing. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. And Allah says that the other side is getting stronger, and their ability to deliver that to deliver some sort of visceral, physical, non physical contact, if you will, that is discernible that the person here in a body that go I know, that's like, my husband. There's no doubt like I felt with him hold my hand or something right or give me a hug that is happening for people that I know more of that's going to happen, and I think we're living in exciting time. And we're going to see more of this bloating, I'm meeting people all the time, per se, I have this habit to be to I didn't know, I thought it was the only one you know.

But yeah, we are we are in a very special time. And you know, the veil is being thinned, we are coming into remembrance of who we are and the things that we are capable of doing. So I love that you brought this to the surface. I love that, you know, you had the relationship you had with Alan to be able to share with us and to be able to teach together, I think it's just absolutely magnificent. So Pam, I know that you have some offerings, and you've got you share with the audience.

Well, well, the first offering is you know, are we have we written a book are supernatural love, book a true story of life and love after death. And it really does help people understand what this journey to connect with love and through the veil is, and I've had countless countless numbers of people tell me that it helped them and even help them make the connection. Because when we created it, and that cover is was actually designed by Alan from the other side, through a friend of mine, who's an amazing medium, and channeler. And he told her how he wanted it to look. And he pulled together photos and images and the painting like the river, the stream or whatever that you see there. He painted that he has, I have an actual painting that he did, he was an artist. So I took his painting, he took a photo of us, he took other elements. And he had a good, dear friend of us put that together. So he said this, the actual will cover and the book itself will open a portal to the spirit world. And I've had many people tell me they feel that that they could hear and connect with their loved one by Paget's having that book. So I mean, it's just magic. I'm just gonna say that and nobody wants to do it, believe it or not, this magic and that ebook version of the book is just 99 cents. So we really want everybody to read that book. Because I know how manifestation works. If somebody beats that book, whether they're Believe it or not, they are anchoring that reality into this one. This is how things shift in this world and why books are so powerful and movies to you know, anything that people observe, read, etc. And so if I could, I would give it away for free, but Amazon doesn't let me do that except for four times a year or something. But I decided heck with that, I'm just gonna they do let me price it at night sets. So I said, Well, I'm going to make a diagnosis because I really want everybody who needs that book to read it. I don't care about you know, making money from the ebook that paperback and hardcover. Yeah, I can't do that. The Sun would let me if I could. But even if I was a good zillionaire right, I couldn't do that because they have their minimum

99 cent ebook and that link is going to be in the show notes, everybody. So look for that link there. And yeah, this beautiful book supernatural

just so people know you don't have to have a Kindle to read the e book because you can get the free app for your phone. Right your tablet your computer is I people reading it and you do for the ebook you might have to go to if you're in another country, go to your country's Amazon site, because you can always get it from the amazon.com Right? Right. But, but cyanide says so

Amazing. Oh, Pam, any final words that you or Alan want to share with our audience before we wrap things up today?

Okay, what'd he say to me to tell everybody is to know that synchronicity is always happening in our lives that that is the nature of reality. So there are no accidents throw coincidences? Don't think well, what's that? That's weird. That doesn't make sense that I missed that no, that happened for a reason. So claim whatever you think you perceive if you feel it relates to your loved one, you're then you're giving them because of your faith and your belief you're giving them more of your energy to earth energy to bring them through to this reality because they are in another dimension. So if we don't have faith, we don't believe and have trust that this like they don't have much to work with. And if we certainly do not believe then they can't even do that because we're creating our reality and they cannot override that. They would never override that so so they will back off but if you want this connection, it is never been more easy to do this. It I feel it is gonna get even easier. I see it happening to people spontaneously, and they don't understand what the heck is going on at people at someone who was a hardcore Christian and started to feel her husband like all over her and wondered what the heck is going on. You'd be surprised I mean, people are having these experiences because you don't have to be psychic while Alice's you already are psychic. But you don't have to believe that you're psychic to have all this phenomenon because your loved one through the veil could be so strong that they're going to be bound and determined to come through but they're all different over there, so you cannot compare your experiences anybody else is because some of them have a greater ability to make contact, and others just need to learn. That's why we founded our academy to train well as teaching loved ones in the spirit world, how to come through. And I've had mediums even confirmed that that telling our students well, your, your husband seems to be in a class on the other side at the same time that you're in this class you're talking about. As she goes, yeah, go Yeah, he is, I was told that my husband studying with Alan in the spirit world, I think made him go yo, well, he is, you know, sort of fast. But Allah said he was gonna do because he said that the spirits over there don't all have the ability to come through, but they can learn. And they will learn. If we are doing our part to raise our vibration to clear a limiting beliefs and just trust and believe right, that they're here, then we give them the leverage to do that. But if we don't, then they can't, you know, they they will just wait for us to get over. Yeah, but but there is okay. Well, I'll say this one thing he's saying to me, just know that this, it, these interdimensional relationships are going to increase in number until baby they kind of will, he says we'll take over the, you know, the interest of spiritual community, which is now focused a lot of near death experiences, because this is the next thing. Because people are going to realize that, that you don't have to die to have this transformed experience, that connecting with someone in spirit world who loves you, unconditionally, can actually transform you without dying, which is what I'm seeing with people. In other words, you're going to spiritually open up and become more intuitive, but more importantly, be who you really are, that just and not be distorted. Yeah, living from your ego, physical mind personality, right, you're going to be living as your higher mind. So I have grief, I see grief as a has the potential to be a spiritually transformed experience, much in the same way as in your death experience. But without the physical trauma, right, that everyone, everyone can have this, you don't have to die to have an MD ye everyone because everyone's lost somebody, everyone could have a spiritual transformative experience that would change them and heals them on every level eautiful I love this perspective. And this idea that we can go through deep transformation by connecting with those that we have

lost from this human world, us or

not physically

from us, right, just transformed. Absolutely. It's such a beautiful gateway for us to consider. So thank you so much, Pam, for bringing light to this, and showing us that there's many different ways in which we can go through our grieving process, our healing process, and our evolution, if you will. So thank you, Pam.

No, thank you so much. Thank you. And if it is too. Oh, thank you. And he says if anyone wants to join us in our Facebook group, we have a free group soulmates in the afterlife. And if they want to hear more, learn more about our academy that's on our website, supernaturallove.com so

And we'll have all that information in the show notes for all of you. Thank you for tuning in. I can't wait to be with you all again next time on When Spirit calls. Thanks again, Pam. Bye. Bye.

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