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Turning Challenges into Opportunities with Martin Salama
Episode 386th March 2025 • The One Small Change Podcast • Yvonne McCoy
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Join host Yvonne McCoy as she dives into an engaging conversation with Martin Salama, exploring how unexpected challenges can lead to significant personal and professional transformations. Martin shares his story of resilience through financial setbacks and personal changes, highlighting the powerful concept of shifting from a mindset of lack to abundance. Throughout the episode, Martin reveals his three-step cycle of A's—Ask, Act, and Attitude—and how entrepreneurs can apply this framework for sustainable success. Yvonne and Martin discuss the importance of open-ended questions, strategic networking, and the mindset shifts necessary to thrive in business.

Guest Bio:

Martin Salama is a renowned life coach known for helping individuals and entrepreneurs unlock their potential by shifting mindsets from scarcity to abundance. With a journey defined by resilience in the face of financial loss and personal upheaval, Martin has transformed challenges into opportunities, encouraging others to focus on growth and empowerment. His work now focuses on helping entrepreneurs create sustainable and thriving businesses through his unique coaching methodologies.

Chapters:

00:00 Life-Changing 2008 Project Venture

06:18 Mindset Shift Inspired by Ted Lasso

07:36 "Think 'How,' Not 'Does'"

10:36 Effective Questioning in Marketing

14:04 From Intention to Implementation

19:21 "Attracting Clients Through Self-Presentation"

21:17 "Ask for What You Want"

24:35 "Supercharge Your Business Growth"

Main Quote by the Guest:

"Things happen through me. Good or bad, they happen through me." - Martin Salama

Links to Guest's Website:

https://connectwithmartin.com/

https://thewarriorslifecode.com/cycle-of-a

Transcripts

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Welcome to the One Small Change, and I'm thrilled that you're

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here with me, and we're gonna embark on a journey of exploration and

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transformation. I'm your host, Yvonne McCoy, and I bring almost thirty

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years of entrepreneurial experience. And I have a passion

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for discovering how you can grow through the power of seemingly small

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change. And I wanna make sure that, you know, you know the

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things that are going on in this journey and that you can have the

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inspiration to keep exploring as well. This week, we are talking

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with the amazing Martin Salama. Martin,

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hi. How are you? I'm great, Yvonne. I'm excited to be here with

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you. Thank you for having me on your show. I am so

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excited. And one of the things you're gonna share is how a smaller

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unexpected change or decision sparked a remarkable

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transformation in the growth in the profession and what you do now.

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So tell us more about your small change, which typically in

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retrospect never seems small, and, what the

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impact it had on you. Oh my god. I could pick so many,

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but I won't go back to my childhood one. I I

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do have one from my childhood, but I'll go to one that happened basically

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to everybody in to most everybody in 02/2008.

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K? So it wasn't small at the time either, but, you

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know, this is one that shaped who I am today, I would

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say. The events of what happened, though, during that time shaped

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me today. So in the February, my wife and I were

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working on a project for five years to build a multimillion

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dollar health club and tennis center in New Jersey by the Jersey

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Shore. And it took us five years because, you know, you gotta go through all

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of the things you could think of. Find the land, do a feasibility study,

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architecture, engineers, then go to the city to get the approvals.

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And that was the longest part of all, getting the approvals. And during

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this time, we'd go to the bank and they're like, we love this project. We

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can't wait for it to start. You know, we'll we'll fund it when it's

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time. Fantastic. So in the fun of

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February, we finally get all the approvals.

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Go to the bank, and they're like, yeah. We're not lending right now. I'm like,

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what happened to we'll fund it whenever it's ready? You know, the last few years,

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two thousand five, six, seven, they were giving money away.

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Almost like when, you know, when you go to Costco and the women on the

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end of the condo are handing you samples Yeah. They were they were handing you

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samples. I refined my house a bunch of times during this

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time to fund the project. So they're like, yeah. Things are

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changing. I'm like, I don't care. You told me that

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it'd be. A month later, Bernie Madoff, the

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subprime loans, the financial world falls apart.

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And just like that, I'm broke. And I

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the 3 and a half plus million that I put in, that I borrowed, that

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I my investors is gone.

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And, I went into a depression for about a year.

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And during that time Only a year? Only a year. Believe it or

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not. Maybe a little more than a year. But, you know, during that time, I

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stopped paying my mortgage. I stopped paying I had no money. I stopped

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paying my car payments. About a few months later, my son says, dad, look

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outside. They were towing away my BMW.

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That's how broke I was, and I never had that happen to me before. I

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never had a car repossessed. The house eventually

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got foreclosed on. But because I lived in New

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Jersey and there were so many foreclosures, it literally

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took them years till they remembered about us.

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Right? So here we are. It's about a year or so later, and I'm

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saying, okay. I gotta figure out what I'm doing now. I gotta you know?

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And I decided I didn't wanna be a businessman anymore. I've been that my whole

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life, which they now call entrepreneurs. You know, back in my day, we were

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businessmen. Now we're entrepreneurs. You know? High highfalutin

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title. And I was like, okay. What do I wanna do? And I

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looked around and I thought about my life, and what I love doing best was

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helping community organizations as a leader. And people would come in and say, but, Martin,

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I can't do what you're doing. Said, but but, Yvonne, I don't need you to

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do what I'm doing. I want you to do what you're good at. And

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I realized I was coaching these people to their potential. So

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I looked at the coaching, and I decided to become a life coach. And

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a little small thing happened along the way. About two months before it was time

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to start life coach training, it was my twenty fourth wedding

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anniversary. And my wife gave me a very interesting gift that year.

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She said I want a divorce.

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I'm sorry. And I I I should've said something, but I didn't

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get anything like that for you. You know? But I didn't. You know? I was

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like, I was knocked. I I you know, to tell you the truth, I

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probably knew it was coming, but until it actually happens,

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nobody really believes that that's gonna happen. And I

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I I I said to myself, why does everything keep happening to me? And I

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but I made the decision I was still gonna go through with live coach training.

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And I think that was the turning point for me, making that

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decision to continue with that. Because as I started

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getting to live coaching and they said to me, it doesn't matter who you

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think you have to be. You could be whoever you want to be. That

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opened the doors for me and gave me the ability to

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search within myself and realize when I was saying things like, why

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does everything keep happening to me? That was me looking to

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blame everybody else. And now I say things happen through

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me. Good or bad, they happen through me.

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I it's funny because I had almost a similar

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experience in the sense of I bought a book

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that was written by Thomas Leonard about 22 strategies

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that you know, life strategies that everybody should have. And I bought it

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for I was teaching a community class. And so I bought it so I could

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give my students these strategies. And as I read it, I was

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like, oh my god. I need this. Oh my god. I need this. Oh my

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god. I need this. And at the end, it said, if you wanna

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learn how to coach, come to this free teleconference,

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which is it was like, I need all this stuff. And, again, because you didn't

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have to have the answers, you just had to ask the right questions,

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which for me was a total turnaround.

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I think, you know, one of the things that we very much have in common

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from what you said is that it's really important

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to be able to do so well, you can be yourself. There's so many

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societal kinds of constructs around us all the way from

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childhood all you know, with with the limiting beliefs and stuff like that.

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And it's like I heard somebody say the other day, it

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there are two kinds of people in the world. People who go, you know,

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you know, what happened to me, and people who go, what can I make

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happen? And I think that that is, you know, a

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mindset shift that you need. And and we get them in the

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weirdest places. One of the biggest places that I got a mindset

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shift was Ted Lasso. I don't know if

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if you've ever heard that seen that show. I have. I love it.

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But there's also a podcast that goes with that called What Would Good Lasso

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Do? And it's got a a a positive psychology coach and a

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leadership coach. The the show is only thirty minutes. The

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podcast is, like, ninety minutes. But

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it's like you know, it has changed my life. I mean, just to say to

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myself, don't be judgmental. Be curious.

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Wow. Just just just that that simple a

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thing. Right. Right. And for me, I look at it as, when

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I'm doing my my workshops, okay, one of the things I say to the people

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right at the beginning is I want you to ask yourself a question,

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but be careful how you ask the question. I don't want you to ask,

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does this apply to me? Change it just a little bit

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and say, how does this apply to me? By

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saying, does this apply to me, you're giving yourself a one word

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answer, yes or no. How does it

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apply to me is an open ended question that gives you the ability

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then say, okay. Let's see where we're going from here. It's like saying I

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can't. Instead, what you should be saying is how can

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I? Right. Right. So so just, you know, something

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that you've never talked about on this on this podcast is is the

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difference between closed questions and open ended questions,

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and and the quality of the response that you get

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when you have an open ended question. So can you talk a

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little bit about that and how entrepreneurs can use that?

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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So very often,

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especially entrepreneurs, and I say that the the

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difference between a good entrepreneur and a great entrepreneur or a

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bad entrepreneur and a good and great entrepreneur is are you a

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leader or are you a boss?

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Right? The bosses are the ones that that ask the closed

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ended questions. Did you do this?

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Right? The the leader is someone says, how

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did it go when you did this? How was

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it? Right? Or even or even better before

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it starts, you say, how would you do this? Right. Right. Sure. Absolutely.

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How would you do this? Exactly. Or instead of saying, do

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this, which is not even a question. Do this exactly as

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I tell you, which is really micromanagement saying, if you don't do it exactly

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as I'm telling you, then you're not doing it. Well, you know, my

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thing is, I always say, entrepreneurs have the knack

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of bringing in great quality, and then they micromanage them

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into mediocrity. Right. Exactly. So that's the

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difference. That's when you become either a leader or a boss.

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And the leader is looking to be inclusive of everybody,

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ask questions of everybody that that

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that invoke deep thought responses,

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not yes or no answers. That's the a closed question a closed end

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question is yes or no. It's did you.

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It's it's instead, the open ended questions are

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how did this come? What how did you do this? Why what was

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the reason for this so that they go so further? And then you go, and

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how did you feel about that? And or what was the end result

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of that? Things that invoke thoughtful

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answers. My favorite question

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is tell me more. Tell me more. That's a perfect one. Do you know?

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Because that way, it doesn't it doesn't, you know, it doesn't color the

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answer one way or the Right. And, you know, you can get

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clarification, and then you can ask, like, specific questions, which

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reminded me when we were talking about this. You know,

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one of the first I mean, the fastest way to use this is in

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your in your, marketing. If you say to

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somebody, do you need this? Then their answer is yes or no.

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Do you know? But if you say to them, how,

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you know, how many times have you struggled with or how how many different ways

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have you tried to get this done? Right. Then you then you get them thinking

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about and saying, oh, you know, I've done this several times. Maybe I

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need to find another way to do it. Right? So

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before we before we run out of time, I wanna make sure that we have

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plenty of time to talk about your free gift and and your, you know,

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action steps that you've got for all of us. Mhmm. Okay. Cool. So

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I I you you when we were talking beforehand, you said, you know, three

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step three three points or something. And I and what made me think of is

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something that's in my my what I started with was

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a coaching program that was about helping people

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shift their mindset from lack to abundance and all that stuff, which

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is very important in whatever you're doing, and I've incorporated into

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my new program. So recently, I came up with

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something specifically for entrepreneurs. It's called the three steps the

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secrets three step framework for a sustainable

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thriving business. Mhmm. Coaching business, it could be for

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anything. And it comes from something

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that's a mindset based that is in my book,

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and I call it the cycle of a's. Okay?

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And the cycle of a's takes something that is a little woo woo

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in the world and makes it a little more practical, which is the

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law of attraction. Okay. Right? People go, oh, that's

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all woo woo stuff. You think about it and it happens. And the people

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that don't really understand it, they go, oh, you know, I

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did the law of attraction. It didn't work. Because they're thinking very

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linearly linearly. They're thinking, okay. I think about it,

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and it didn't happen. And that's where the cycle of a's comes in.

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So for me, the cycle of a's are three letter a's

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that, you know, the people that are here, they can go to my site,

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which we'll tell you about later, to download some some

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some things. Right? And one of them is the cycle of a's, and on it,

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it shows it in a perpetual emotional cycle. The first

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a is ask. Ask God. Ask the universe for what you

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want. And that could be as simple as I just came up with an

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idea. That's an ask.

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Right? But if you just think about it and do nothing about it, and

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then three years later, you see it on TV and go, oh my god. I

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thought about doing that. Yeah. Right? How many

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of us have been there? Been there. Right. So that's where

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the the next a comes in. Act. Start

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working towards getting that ask. Oh, I came up with an

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idea. Well, what would it look like? How would it be

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become about? What are the steps that need to happen? And

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start putting it into motion. And then the last a is

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really where the rubber meets the road. It's a good way to put it.

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And it's have an attitude of I don't

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care about the outcome emotionally.

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Right? Because if you care so much about the outcome, that's

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where that lack mentality comes in

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and Mhmm. Goes everything out. So now this is in

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my program for anybody for thinking about it in that

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way, you know, in their life. So then I said, okay. Let me turn around

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and and put it into, into into business terms.

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So ask, clarify what you true truly desire for your

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business, set your intention, and get specifics on your

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goal, define your vision for your business, be specific about the revenue you

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want, the number of clients, and the kind of impact you wanna make.

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And it goes a little further than that. Then the act is move from

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intention to implementation. This is where the magic happens.

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Remember that the universe isn't Santa Claus. You

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know? You have to take actions. Then you implement it. Break

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out of your comfort zone and adjust as needed.

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Right? And then the third one is attitude. Let go of the emotional

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attachment to the outcomes and staying positive regardless of

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the results. Detach from the outcome after putting it in the

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effort, it's important to let go of any attachments, cultivate

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it, positivity, and maintain

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that mindset of abundance, and then it goes a little further.

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But you get the overall gist of it. Well, I you

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know, the things that you're saying are so important. I mean, one of one of

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my kind of philosophies is, you know, that

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you you grow in leadership. Unfortunately, for entrepreneurs,

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they tend to go right into kind of leadership and management of a project or

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whatever their skills is, and they don't spend enough time in kind of the

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personal development space because you need that

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when you move from projects to managing and leading other

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people. Right. So it's kind of like they feel like they're going

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backwards. What you know, what what's you know, that kind of thing. But I

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think, you know, the way that I describe a lot of what

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you're saying, don't get attached to the, you know, the specific outcome,

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is I I say to people, you know, the one of the biggest thing mindset

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that helped me is I used to think that success was kind of a

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binary choice. You did something you either succeed seeded or you

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failed. And what I found when I looked at that was

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things that I thought I didn't know that I could succeed in, I didn't

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do. Mhmm. Right. Now I now

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I yeah. I mean, now you know, because I was I was brought up to

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be, you know, you need to be the best. You need to be at the

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top of the class. You need to be you know? And so when to be

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perfect. Yes. And so I find so many people

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are practicing to be perfect, you know, that they never get anything done.

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And I went through that stage myself. I don't I mean, you know, everything that

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I talk about, I've done. So, you know, now I know that

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it's you take an action, you either succeed or you

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fail. Either way, you need to evaluate, you know,

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why did I succeed? Why did I fail? Make adjustments and and do it

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again. So my new model is fail for

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fail forward faster. Right. I love it. Because if I'm

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failing forward faster, it means I'm doing something and I'm

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I'm making progress. And that's really what it what it's about. And I think

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the other thing is, you know, a typical place where people want

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instant results is, you know, they go networking thinking

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they're gonna get a client, and you don't. That's not the purpose of

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networking. If you go networking and you say I never got a

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client, it's because you that was not where you were gonna

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find a client. What you're gonna find is connection

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and community who's gonna attach you to places and people

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where your your clients might be. Referrals. Referral

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partners. Yeah. And so I find you know, one of the things that I get

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you know, I think is I

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feel like everybody I hope that everybody that I meet and

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talk with leaves better off than when they when they met me.

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Right. Right. Is that And so so, you know, my goal is

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not focused on me. My goal is how can I support

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you? Right? Yeah. And it takes all the

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pressure off, and it it you know, that kind of thing. So,

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you know, we've talked about a lot of stuff. Mhmm. The

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one thing I kinda wanted you to talk a little bit more about was let's

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talk about money and the scarcity mentality

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because that, you know, that and the idea that I'm not worth

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it or you know, because when you when you talk with a coaching client that's

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in business, they're always under pricing. Yes.

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Yes. Because they don't believe in themselves enough.

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Right? So that whole money thing comes from the mindset

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of I'm not worth it or the lack or I don't deserve

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it. Right? Or why should I have it?

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Right? Instead of why shouldn't I have it? Why can't I have it?

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Right? And and it's understanding that you're looking

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at things with the glass half full half empty,

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excuse me, instead of looking for it as being full, not even half

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full, full. And that there's more that can come.

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And I think that's a one of the differences between attracting the

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right client and trying to sell somebody. Yeah. You know, because

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you're like, you know, you need my service. You know? But if you are putting

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yourself out there so that the things that you're doing, people go, that's an

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interesting person. I think I'd like to talk to them more, and you're attracting them.

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Right? By the time they become clients, they already know what your

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value is. Mhmm. And I think, you know, I think one of the

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best things, that can happen to two good

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things. One of the best things that can happen to somebody is you're talking

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to somebody and before you finish, they go, I wanna work with you. How much

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you know, tell me what I need to do. Right. I mean, it's just

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an amazing kind of thing. Right? And then the other

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thing is I don't think that we, entrepreneurs,

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know that we can say no. Yeah. You know, this is not a good

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person to work with. You know? And and it could be for a variety of

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reasons. Not that they're not a good person, but, you know Not a good

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fit. It's not a good fit. Right. You're not you're not at the right point

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in your business. You you know, whatever the case may be. You know, you can't

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put food on your table so you don't need to buy a $25,000 program. You

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know? I mean, it could be a whole lot of different things. And I

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I think that we go through, and I jokingly call it

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entrepreneurial prostitution. It's where where you're trying to get

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cash flow and you and and your mindset is, I can do anything if

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the price is right, which which dilutes, you

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know, which dilutes what you really do well. And and

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it also it also you know, if you get a client that's not the right

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client, it will suck the life out of you, and they will never be

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happy. That's so true. You could you could have two or three

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clients that are ideal, you know, and put in less

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energy than you put into somebody who is that you are just

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like Banging your head against the wall. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know,

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I I jokingly said long time ago when I first started, for some reason, I

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attracted a lot of male tech

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guys. Okay. And I love them because they always paid in

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full. They always showed up on their you know, for their coaching on time. They

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you know? But every time I brought something

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up, it was like, oh, I read a book on that. I read a book

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on that. And I was like, but did you do it? I did not. It

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was like when the when it was over, it's like, thank god this is over.

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Do you know? So so I think that that I I think some of the

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things that we're talking about is, you know,

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is if you don't this is this

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is my 40 my $40 best advice I ever got

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from my therapist. She said, if you don't ask for what you

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want, you're going to be uncomfortable and you're going to be

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disappointed a lot. Right. If you ask for what you want,

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you will still be uncomfortable, but you will get it a lot more

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often. So well put. Well put. And for me,

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the the concept was that I didn't wanna be

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uncomfortable. And then I realized I was gonna be uncomfortable either way.

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Well put. Okay. So we there's gonna be a link in

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the, in the notes where you can get this great, great

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gift. Right. Also, Martin does a workshop every month,

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so you wanna, you know, you wanna go do that as well. Yeah.

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Okay, Martin. Yeah. When was the last time you did something new for the first

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time? When was the last time

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I did something new for the first time? Oh my

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goodness.

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Well, last week. Good.

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Last week, I I was on vacation. We went to San Antonio, Texas in

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the January, and it was cold there. And they actually

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had a snowstorm of a half an inch where I'm like, okay. So big deal.

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It's for them. And we went to

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the Alamo. Oh.

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Right? And for me, I love learning about stuff.

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And what I learned there was that right near the right near

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San Antonio was the first Six Flags of

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in America. So anybody doesn't know six flags is a is

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a theme park. In New Jersey, they call it great adventures, but six

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flags. And do you know why it's called six flags?

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No. K. And neither did I. Okay?

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And I learned because Texas has been ruled

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by six different countries. Okay.

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Alright? Spain, France,

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Mexico. Those are the three easy ones, and America are the four is

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the fourth easy one. The last two are gonna surprise you.

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Number five is Texas was a country from when the

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Alamo when they lost the Alamo, and a month later, they beat the Mexicans

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in 1836 for ten years, eighteen forty five, nine years, whatever.

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Then they Mexico was coming after them. They go, we don't wanna be with you.

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We'll become part of America. So in 1845, they

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became a state in the union. And then the

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last one was they seceded with the rest of the

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Confederate States, so they were under the Confederate States of

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America, which made for number six.

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So that's why they're always saying they're leaving.

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That's fantastic. That's fantastic. Okay, guys.

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Before we run out of time, I need to wind this up.

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time and energy, to this endeavor. And so,

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Martin, what are your what are your last words? What do you, you know, want

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people to take away? What I'd like for them to take away

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is consider putting into action the cycle

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of ACE. Ask, act, and attitude.

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And you could go to the you know, you'll be able to go to the

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show notes, click on the link, and find the link there. You know, it'll

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take you to download a little deeper of what we talked about about

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ask, act, and attitude in the cycle of ACE. That is so

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fantastic because in the age of information,

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it's not just information you need. You need to know how to apply it and

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implement it. Right. So, guys, our time is up. And as

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I always say, remember, change is simple, but it's not always easy. It

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requires resilience and courage and a willingness to step

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outside your comfort zone. And so I hope you will take a few minutes

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every week to join me for the one small change as we try

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to, you know, have a bold vision and do

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innovative possibilities. And until the next time, I will

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see you then. Thank you, Martin. Thank you, Yvonne. It's been a pleasure to

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be here.

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