On today's episode, I sat down with Jean Border, an intuitive holistic healer, to uncover how your personal energy and self-awareness profoundly affect your success as an entrepreneur. Jean shared her journey from overcoming chronic migraines to empowering business owners to break through limiting beliefs and subconscious roadblocks. If you’re feeling stuck in your business or life, remember—clarity starts within. Take control, trust your intuition, and never underestimate the power of self-awareness to drive lasting change.

Ready for your own intuitive breakthrough? Jean Border invites you to chat one-on-one at jeanborder.com/chat

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Well, hey there and welcome to this edition of BEP Talks

where wonderful people come and so generously, so

openly, so transparently share their beliefs,

their experiences and their passions, all in

the hope of providing some inspiration,

some motivation, some good advice

to have their story told because it deserves to be told.

It needs to be told, needs to be heard.

Today is no exception. Today we're going to talk to an

intuitive holistic healer and

I really going to break that title down. So with no

further ado, please welcome to the BEP Talks stage,

Jean Border.

Well, hi there, Jean. Hi, Beth. How are you doing?

I am doing very well today. And how about yourself?

I'm doing well. Good, good, good, good. Okay,

I'm going to jump right in here. What is

an intuitive holistic healer? Oh,

my gosh. So many things.

So many things. When I

began my energy journey, I focused on

how to increase my intuition and

my skills to be able to.

I had migraines since I was a child. I have to start there. And

doctors couldn't fix me. And they kept saying, oh, you'll

outgrow them. Only I never did. I'd reach the next milestone and not

outgrow them. So eventually I got to the point where I made the

choice, if nobody else can fix me, I need to fix myself.

And that started me on a journey where I started

exploring crazy off the wall things.

One of them that I eventually

rolled into was the world of energy,

which, to break that down,

I'll say that your body has an energy system

just like a house has an electrical system.

Absolutely. And if something, if you trip a breaker in your house,

part of the house won't function correctly. Right. Same thing

happens with the body. And so I followed this

energy trail and it led me to where I

am now, which is I trust what I'm given. I

built my skills and I use

the information that I have to.

In the past, I was able to dissolve my migraines.

So that really

cemented the fact that I need to continue. And

now I help my clients with the same thing, only I.

I've morphed from physical symptoms into

business symptoms. What's wrong with your business? Right.

Where do you feel energized in your business and where do you feel, oh, I

don't like that in my business? And we break down what's underneath that,

what, what internally is going on that's allowing

you to continue these habits or these cycles that you know they're

not right, but that's what somebody told you to do or. Yeah, like you

gotta do it. And, and it's just not working for you.

So intuitively, holistically, the body, the mind,

the spirit, all of that works together. Sure. And

if part of it's not working, your life

has a part of it that you're not happy with.

And when we hear the word balance, and

it's all about that balance between, as you said, the body, the mind,

the spirit, and going back to how you

connected what you go through, you know, personally, physically,

emotionally, what have you, and how that can affect your business connection. You know, when

you think about it, how could it not? How could it

not? If you're the person steering that business,

managing that business, making the business decisions, and you're not

in a well state yourself, what kind of decisions could

you possibly be making for your business?

It's very interesting. Even the language that we use either

drives our business forward or keeps us stuck or slows our

momentum, if you want to use business terms. Right. They're always talking about momentum,

momentum. If you feel internally that

being seen is dangerous, you're going to

not move forward quickly and easily

with being seen. If you feel

somewhere inside that you were shot down for saying something

that offended someone or they told you, oh, you're just stupid, you don't know

what you're talking about, that gets ingrained. Right. And sometimes we don't

want to use our voice because we don't want to be judged. So that can

slow down our business. But becoming aware of these things

and breaking down what's behind it allows the ease

to come through. And it, it allows you to

move your business in the way that you really

desire. So a healthy business

owner can lead to a healthy business?

Yes. Well, that makes so much sense. Is there anything else

to talk about? I mean, that seems, that seems like, so, like

an aha moment. But it's hard to come to that

awareness of where am I getting in my own way. It's easy

to say, you know, well, it's not working, so I must be doing something wrong.

Right. It's not that you're doing something wrong, it's that there's some kind of a

protection inside you that's having you. It's.

It's your subconscious filters everything

through the thought of is this safe? Right.

And so if it's something you've done before and you know what the outcome's going

to be, you get the green light, you go ahead, you do it, you don't

think about it. But if it's something maybe you haven't done before,

or you haven't done well, the subconscious might put

up a yellow light that says, not sure. There might be danger here.

Maybe we should slow down. But sometimes people

don't trust that they know how to slow down, so they just stop.

They're so close to the finish line and they see the danger and

they just stop. And there's a reason for that

subconsciously. Right. But it's very. It's. It's not

always obvious to the person who's in the middle of it.

So if you stop short of a goal,

if we can kind of use that based on what you just said,

is it the fear of what happens once we meet that goal?

Now what. What's next? Is that the

unknowing? Is that where fear comes in doubt? It could be.

Or it could be. If I'm successful,

what's my family going to think? What are my friends going to

think? Do they think I deserve this? Do I think I deserve this?

So, so many things can come into play,

but typically underneath it is a fear, a

belief. I. I'll give you another belief.

Rich people are greedy. And I don't want people to think I'm

greedy. So I. I can't meet that big dollar goal in

revenue that I've set for myself because then people are going to think I'm greedy.

And I don't want people to hate me and judge me and talk bad about

me all over the Internet. Right. So we

slow our roll or we stop altogether, or we put so

many roadblocks in the way that we give up or we stay where we

are. And that resignation is the saddest part of it.

Yeah. Surrender, That's. That's not good. Better to keep moving in

one direction or the other than just standstill. And what I always say is

keep moving because it's harder to hit a moving object. There

you go. Just move. Just move. Bob and weave. Bob and weave.

You know, human n.

It's so fascinating. It's so fascinating. So as an

intuitive, holistic healer, is it

your intuition about a client, or is it an

intuition about themselves that they don't realize that they actually have

or need to develop? Maybe it's both.

I have a background of.

I've probably conducted thousands of interviews all over the world.

Right. I've. I've

traveled. I've been to all 50 states. I've been to more countries than

I can count. I'm. I'm a traveler and an explorer at

heart, but also by career. Before I got

into this energy world, I was.

I Worked with the US Federal government. You know what's going on there.

Right. I had 36 years

in, in of leadership experience with the federal government.

So that includes anything from interviewing

to reading body language, to reading agendas, to

listening very well.

Okay. So when my clients talk or

when I work with people, I listen.

I listen to what's on the surface, but I go deeper.

And because of the skills that I've acquired over the years, through my career

and through the energy modalities that I've studied,

the subconscious gives clues. Oh, yes.

And so when I hear my, the mystery, the

people that I work with, when they talk,

I extract parts of the meaning underneath.

And I use a technique called muscle testing, which a lot of people have heard

of, to actually

interact with their self, conscious, subconscious, if you will.

And so we can uncover beliefs that are holding them back. And

when we bring them to the surface and work through them, they can move on.

It's very interesting. But you learn to be a

good listener. Yes. And everything starts there,

you know, create awareness. I

am a sales consultant, strategist, coach,

what have you, and

that's what I train all the time, is

that it's not the telling, it's the listening.

And if you give someone the space and the grace

to be heard, they're going to talk.

And from your background on the government,

I come from like a love of law enforcement. That's

all I'll say. And you realize that

the art, the science,

the psychology and the biology that that kind of

listening is. And what it uncovers

is that the person you're listening to

has that need. Has that need.

And if you just stop, you lean back and

let them lean in,

they're going to tell you not what you

need to know, but what they need you to hear because of what

they need to say. I know you want that because of what

you've done, the unburdening, if you will. And

as we both know, that's how so many crimes are solved. It's because

people, in the vernacular

people would say they need to sing.

So start the music, let them sing.

They will tell you exactly what they need you to know.

So just to qualify, is it

their intuition for what they're saying or is it

your intuition to let them say it?

The latter, the latter. And

sometimes what they've needed all along is a safe space to be

able to think. Think and

actually language how they've been feeling about

certain things. Yes, because in our society it's not

safe to be yourself if you don't believe exactly

what the person next to you believes. Right now,

the go to is, I'm going to attack you because you don't know what you're

talking about. Yes, yes. We have such a lot of tolerance. Yes,

exactly. For people who are supposed to be so tolerant in this country.

No one is. You're either exactly with me or you're

wrong. And Nobody is exactly 100% with you anywhere, ever.

You all have different experiences, different backgrounds, different

beliefs, different upbringings, different

ancestors. Right. In the same family, even in the same family,

siblings who ate around the same table all their lives

might be spiritually and emotionally very much the same. And

yet the personality types, the things that we should

celebrate in life, the things that differentiate us, those are the things to be

celebrated. Makes life interesting, doesn't it?

We've gone from every shade of gray

to black and white. Exactly.

So how, as an intuitive, holistic

healer, who might you be working with?

Well, like with any business that morphs over time, right. I started out

working with people with migraines because that's what I

had such huge success with, with myself. You know, I don't have to

give myself shots anymore. I don't have to go in a dark room and throw

up. I don't have to miss days of work because of the pain. You know,

I can't tell when a storm is coming because I don't get migraines and storms

come anymore, all of these funny things.

But what I'm. What I'm having the most fun

with at the moment are entrepreneurs and

small business owners, like 10 or fewer employees,

mostly female, who understand how energy,

work and mindset work. All of that stuff impacts not

only your personal life, but also your business decisions.

You carry your beliefs from your personal life into your

business decisions. The same fears that you have in your personal life,

you carry them into your business decisions. Now,

Jean, I look at life this way.

You know, we've heard so much about, especially for women,

you know, wearing the many hats in life, work, life,

balance. You know, you have your nine to five, and then you have your five

to nine.

We can disagree on this, respectfully. But I've, I've come and I used to think

about that, and I've come to realize you are who you are 24,

seven, and you don't want to separate and, you know, take

off your. Your business jacket and become a completely different person.

That's not possible. And for an entrepreneur,

a female entrepreneur, you can never take that off. You

might want to take it off. You might want to take it off and burn

it, but you're still wearing it, you know,

metaphorically speaking. So

what does one do? What does a female

entrepreneur who's in a personal

place, how does she become

better equipped to heal herself

so she can run a health. How does she get healthier herself so

she can run a healthier business? The

first step to any journey in my world

is becoming aware. See what

is true. And if your

focus is improving your personal life, what is true in your

personal life,

then what do you wish it were?

So what is true versus what you desire, you believe

you desire? What's not working?

What is working? What do you wish

worked better? What do you wish you didn't have to do at

all? But that clarity, that awareness is the

first step because some people don't even look at

what they want or how to get there because, well, this is my life,

you know, I just have to live with it. No, you don't. Is that a

woman making herself a martyr, which, which a lot of women, you know, for

generations we went through that. I say we as, as women

went through that, where, you know, suffer in silence kind of thing

and accept whatever was thrown at you because, well, that's just your,

that's just your role in this world. Maybe the next one will be better. Who

knows? But have we hopefully gotten past

that, that we really can have much more control

of making those decisions and moving in the better direction?

It depends on who you talk to. Oh, fair enough.

There are some circles when, yes, that is priority and yes, I'm going to do

that. And that's where I,

I'm all about taking back your personal power. Right? To

heal, to lead, to grow, to live your best life, to have, to

create your best business. Right? So when

you feel empowered to make those choices and do those

things, now you're stepping into your personal power.

But when you feel like, well, they said I have to do it, so

I, I probably have to do it. You've handed away your, your

power to someone outside you. You've given away your control.

So it depends. I've got to say, you worked for years. And I, I forgive

me for stepping over you thinking because we're. They're going to, they're going to cut

us off here. But you worked in a very

important position. And because

I'm a woman, I can say this as a woman, most

particularly, you know, 36 years ago, how many women were

doing what you were doing 36 years ago?

Probably not as many as are doing it now. I mean,

that's got to statistically be able to, to be

proven. So what is

the, what is the inner strength that you have

naturally, intuitively,

that others may be lacking?

I was very lucky. I had fantastic

parents that told me I can do anything I want

if I put my mind to it, period. Yes. No qualifications

on the end. That was just it.

That's how I grew up knowing if I really wanted it and I

worked for it, I could have it, period. Oh, you're speaking

my language. My dad always told me when I'd say, dad, you know, what do

you think about this? He'd look at me very thoughtfully. He was an

entrepreneur, he was a business owner. And he'd say, well, are you willing

to do the work? And will you be accountable

for the results of the work you do or the results of the work you

don't do? And that was a brilliant thing to say to,

you know, a young, a teenager at one point and someone in their 20s, in

their 30s, yada, yada, yada. There we go.

Yeah. As opposed to,

pardon me, I got a little cough here. Saying that for too many

people that I know dearly, that I love from the

depths of my heart, who I try to differentiate without

judgment to say, reasons, excuses,

not the same. Do you

agree? Do we agree? Totally agree. And it's easier for

a woman, is it not, to

find excuses to blame,

gender to blame? Well, so many things, Timing.

Guys do the same thing. They just do it differently. We all do it. It's

a, it's an inherent thing. Because it's easier to put the blame on someone

else. Yes. Than to say, I messed up.

I didn't get the right, the, the skill set that

would move me toward my goal. So it's somebody else's fault that I didn't get

that. Even though, you know, there are other reasons why that

other person got that job or why I didn't do a great

launch. Right. That's the buzzword lately. Everybody wants that

million dollar launch. Well, you've got to take all the steps to get you to

be prepared for that. Just because you get on a launch doesn't mean you're

prepared with the right words to say and the right product that people

want to buy into. You know, I have to swim. And I'm saying, you know

what, you're planning the party in the penthouse and you haven't poured the foundation

yet. You know, you've got to build it step by

step. It's, it's a, it's a system.

You don't, you know, say, I want to be a brain surgeon. Would anybody like

me to operate on your brain because I want to be a brain surgeon kind

of thing? Yeah. I should be able to do that just because I want it,

Right. Jane, how do people connect with you?

The easiest way. If you want to give me a shout out.

Jeanborder.com chat we'll just have a chat on Zoom.

Jean J E A N Border B O R--E R.com

chat yes, listeners, it couldn't

be easier. You have a resource here in Jean

Border, who

for decades has experience, she

said, all around the world working for the government. Don't judge her because of

that. Yes. Don't be. Say thank you

for your service and who has insights to

different personality types. I have to say, you've

been exposed to every type of culture, every type of

variance that you would categorize people. And

in so doing, I have to believe you and I are going to have a

chat, that we're probably more alike than we are different.

But it's the differences that make all the difference.

Yes. And make life interesting. Oh, that is. Well,

we don't want to all just love vanilla ice cream. You know, you got to

have some chunky self. I talk to myself in my head all the time. I

like talking to other people. I do, too. And you want to know what the

sad thing is? I don't always win the argument.

I don't always win the argument I'm having in my own head. Well,

good. I'm glad you're open to all other ideas because not everyone

is. Oh, that makes me even smarter than I think

I am. There you go. There you go. Oh,

Jean, this was awesome. This was awesome. We are going to chat. I

want to connect you to a lot of other people. Most importantly, what I want

to do right now is say thank you to you for your service, for

your intuition that you use to help others

tap into their own. We're going to have so much fun. I just really feel

that. And everybody. Again, jeanborder.com

chat connect with this brilliant woman. She has so much

to share with you. And as I always say to our audience,

share your story, your beliefs, your experience, your passions.

Because like jeans, it needs to be heard.

It deserves to be heard. It deserves to be shared. You never know

how your story is going to impact the life of another.

That's your power. Own it. Use it.

And as I always say at the end of Bev talks, may the best always

be yet to come. I wish that for everyone. Jean, I

thank you so much. For bringing your story here,

and I look forward to the next time we will

chat@jeanborder.com

chat. So until we talk again, everyone, bye for now.