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Laura and Xhafer put on their tinfoil hats. Laura gets betrayed. Xhafer isn't gonna get upset about Hutt lore. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 9: The Hub.
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Hello there and welcome to Who Are You This is a reasonably well done
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:watch cast hosted by two former strangers
now friends who are currently watching
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:2004's Battlestar Galactica I'm Jafare
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:Laura: And I'm Laura, and I
saw what you did there, Jafer
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:Xhafer: Yeah I I don't know We
haven't talked about it much
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:We are listeners we are currently in
discussion about what we're going to be
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:doing after Galactica No announcements
to be made at this time but we m one
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:of the options that is in contention
would have us drop the sci-fi from
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:the intro That's all I'll say for now
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:Laura: I was, I thought I was
referring to you saying hello
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:there because we both watched a
certain Star Wars property today.
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:And yeah, we got to go see a Star
War, both of us on the same day.
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:What are the odds?
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:Xhafer: At almost the same time It
was so funny you had messaged me that
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:w and w we were talking about when we
would record and just the logistics and
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:you're like We just got out of the Star
War And then I like took a photo of
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:me watching the trailers Not pictured
in photo Beth sitting next to me as we
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:were waiting to watch the same Star War
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:She was texting me at the
same time, don't you worry.
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:I knew she was there.
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:Xhafer: Yeah I'm sure
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:Laura: yeah.
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:I was, I was texting you 'cause I
had a joke I really wanted to make
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:and I needed to make it at someone.
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:And I did find someone to make
it at because he- I didn't
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:wanna … You were about to do the
movie and I didn't wanna like…
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:Yeah.
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:I just, I just didn't have
Jeremy Allen White as Swolla
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:the Hutt on my 2026 bingo card.
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:card
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: Woller the hut
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:Xhafer: interesting choices made in
that movie don't know d should we Do
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:you wanna talk I wanna talk about the
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:Laura: I do too.
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:Yeah
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:but
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:Xhafer: I don't know that Listener
if you haven't seen Mandalorian
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:and Grogu maybe a little
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:Laura: Just a few minutes
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:Xhafer: That movie made me
sexually confused about a hut
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:Laura: I just wanna know why
the Hutts have human abs.
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:Like
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:Xhafer: What are those abs doing
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I, I
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:Xhafer: in worm body
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:Laura: they, are they like, is
that the best placement of like
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:muscles and stuff for a worm?
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:Like, you know
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:Xhafer: it's like if if it's like
your core for doing like crunches
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:and stuff like wouldn't the like long
m significantly longer shape of the
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:Hutts necessitate those muscles to look
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:Laura: I, um,
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:Xhafer: the problem is what
we're doing is we're applying
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:logic and reason to a kids movie
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:Laura: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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:I've, for the record, I liked it.
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:I liked it.
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:Xhafer: li I liked it too And also I
just wanna say this out loud all Star
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:Wars movies are kids movies regardless
of your personal feelings on the
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:matter except for Rogue One is not a
kids Yes go ahead Beth Fine Go ahead
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:Okay So here's my thoughts on the abs
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:Laura: Okay
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:Xhafer: dear listener I have hijacked the
podcast So here are my thoughts on the abs
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:Um he is swinging very heavy battle axes
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: need a lot of core strength for
that especially if that's what you're
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:doing day in and day out Like if you're
swinging everything from your torso like
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:that and you're doing all those rolls
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: yeah you're gonna use
your core strength which means
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:you're gonna develop all those abs
especially the definition on the sides
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: carry on Bye seems like a
good time to plug the eventual return
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:of C Girls Don't Look at Explosions
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:Laura: Cool girls don't look at hot abs.
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:Actually, we do look at hot abs.
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:Xhafer: you you do look at hot
apps I mean I was looking at
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:hot apps I get it it's fine
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:At first, 'cause I, okay, I
had no, I did not know anything
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:about this movie going in, right?
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:I knew the two things in the
title, Mandalorian and Grogu.
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:Yeah.
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:And I saw as the credits are
rolling, Jeremy Allen White, and
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:I was like, "What's he gonna be?"
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:You know?
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: And at first, 'cause I, I know that
there, the, mm, I don't know his name.
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:Zeb?
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:Zeb?
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:Is that it?
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:He's from, from the Rebels cartoon, right?
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:right
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:Xhafer: Correct
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:Laura: Right.
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:I knew that he was a preexisting
character, but I was looking at
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:his like, the way he was walking,
and I was like, "He's got some like
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:Jeremy Allen White swagger going,
but I don't think that's him."
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:'Cause he was like a preexisting…
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:I'm pretty sure they just got
the same voice from the…
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:Yes.
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:And so I was like, "Hmm."
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:Xhafer: Bloom I think Yeah sounds right
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:Laura: through the plot, I
was like, "Are they gonna make
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:Jeremy Allen White a Hutt?"
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:And lo and behold,
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:Xhafer: Yeah He spoke so normal
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:Laura: I thought that was fun
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:Xhafer: I was I mean like I'm not
like gonna get upset about Hutt lore
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: that's that's not what I I go
to a Star War for I go to a Star War for
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:a good time this was a good time I did
enjoy the movie It did feel like there
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:were a couple points where you could
have like stopped rolled credits done
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:an intro theme and had another episode
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:Laura: exactly
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:Xhafer: felt it felt very like 45 Like
three kinda episodes kinda stapled
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:together three 40-minute episodes
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: Like there were there were
definite points where it's all like
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:Okay next episode Okay next episode And
that was ve I don't know if it was like
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:because it's a TV show that's doing a
movie if that was something that I was
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:looking for or if that was just this
was three a three-episode arc or a
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:two-episode arc They made three episodes
that they took and made into a movie
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:that was gonna be Season 4 of the show
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:Laura: Yeah, I don't know.
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:But it, it was a lot of fun.
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:I, I was fine with, like,
how the Hutt talked.
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:I, I saw the internet 'cause I, I
already went on the internet about
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:it, and the internet's a little mad.
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:And I was like, "I don't know, man.
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:They told me he was supposed to have
been, like, kidnapped when he was smaller,
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:and if he's been fighting for this dude
for, like, years, he doesn't pick up
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:whatever stuff the Hutts are doing.
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:That's normal, right?"
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:I don't know.
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:That's…
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:It didn't bother me any
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:Xhafer: I I have one complaint I
there was one thing I was really
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:hopeful for to hear in this movie
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:Laura: Uh-huh
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:Xhafer: happen
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:Laura: Aw
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:Aw
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:Xhafer: guess this is spoils so uh
actual spoilies for a thing that
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:didn't happen that I only wanted to
happen in my head and have not talked
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:about out loud and didn't see anywhere
on the internet I was really hoping
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:we'd get a couple of words from Grogu
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:Laura: Oh, like wordy words
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:Xhafer: re There was a point in the movie
where I thought this was gonna happen
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:where he was gonna say The way this
is And I was so ready for that moment
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:Laura: would be cute.
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:They're holding that one back.
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:They're holding it in reserve
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:Xhafer: That's like the
Avengers Assemble of Filoni and
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:Favreau's Star Wars universe So
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:Laura: Uh-huh
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:Xhafer: we'll get it eventually
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:Laura: yeah, yeah.
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:They're holding onto that
one as long as they can, like
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:Xhafer: That will be great
That'll be great when it happens
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Yeah
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:Xhafer: yeah But okay Well that
was the movie Uh well I guess we
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:can talk about Battlestar Galactica
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:Laura: I guess we can, we can talk
about the hub instead of the hut.
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:Xhafer: Ah That's right listener
We've got Battlestar Galactica
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:Season 4 Episode 9 The Hub
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:Laura: Indeed
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:Xhafer: We start by going back
to when the base ship jumps away
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:Laura: Mm-hmm
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: when the hybrid is plugged
in is transported to Azure Galactica
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:Laura: Hmm.
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:Yeah.
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:Everything's a bit blue
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:Xhafer: is a very azure color graded
like we had back in Season 1 on Caprica
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:then on Season 2 on Cobal where we had
like Caprica Yellow and Cobal sepia and
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah
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:Xhafer: and uh she's hanging out
with Alotia the priestess who died
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:on Cobal back in Season 2 we have a
lot of these throughout the episode
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:Whenever the base ship jumps Rosalyn
enters this kind of like vision space
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:Laura: Yeah, interesting
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:Xhafer: Yeah Um explained
really in this episode
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:Laura: And she seems to
be the only one doing it.
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:Nobody else is expressing any interesting
things happening to them in the jump
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:Xhafer: Yeah it's kinda it's kinda
weird but it's a way to like have
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:some interesting character progression
It's also a way to bring Alisha back
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:Laura: Yeah, it's nice to see her.
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:Uh-huh.
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:And she d- really, she was like, I don't
know, a, just a sort of a plot device
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:driving Roslin's visions forward before.
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:But now we get to,
like, hear more from her
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:Xhafer: Yeah uh Roslyn and Alosha
walk until she encounters herself in
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:a hospital bed struggling to breathe
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: Wow
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:Laura: like, uh, Emily
was a few episodes ago
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:Xhafer: Exactly like Emily was
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: Uh we get this to theme
where our survivor count is 39,673
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:which is down one which is Pike's
death But that hasn't happened yet
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:Laura: But it also did.
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:Xhafer: end of the last episode Um
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: it is possible that it was
some rando because we see a couple
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:other people die in this episode
and we don't get an exact count
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: the count on next episode
is a variable so it's possible some
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:rando died and we're not counting Pike
or we are counting Pike even though
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:he hasn't died yet but died last
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:Laura: 'Cause we saw his dead body
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:Xhafer: count we get
next time just one less
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:Laura: Okay.
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: We we just don't know
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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:We're gonna get lots of hybrid
funny business here, but we're
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:gonna answer a question that Laura
had in the last episode first.
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:And the hybrid, one of the first
things the hybrid says when we come
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:back from Theme is that the Six is
back in the stream, and I was like,
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:"Oh, she's telling everyone that
Six is dead, that Natalie is dead."
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:Xhafer: Yep Natalie is dead and we knows
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:Laura: Yeah, yeah.
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:Sharon i- immediately clocks
that it's unusual for them to…
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:They, in the pre-theme, they jumped
twice really quick, in quick succession.
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:So we got to see that, like, this Alosha
thing was gonna persist throughout
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:the episode, 'cause it happens during
the first jump and the second jump.
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:And Gaius is back here, like, "Oh,
I've connected with this hybrid.
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:We have, like, a thing.
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:Let me talk to it."
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:Like, h- this whole episode,
he's, like, begging to be noticed.
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:"Notice me, special Gaius, connected to
the one God, and also this hybrid," which
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:is a mysterious mouthpiece of that thing.
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:And every time that, like,
it, like, doesn't work, I'm,
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:I'm just, like, chuckling.
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:And this is one of the
moments it doesn't work.
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:because Gaius goes down there, and he's,
like, talking at the hybrid and, like,
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:yelling at the hybrid while Rosalyn is
trying to talk to others about stuff.
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:Xhafer: Mm-hmm
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:Laura: And uh, Sharon's telling Rosalyn
that the hybrid's panicking because
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:something happened to Natalie, so
she's, like, sussed out that, hmm,
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:something bad happened back in the fleet.
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:And Gaius is, like, telling
the hybrid to stop jumping, and
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:we think for a second that…
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:'Cause it, it says something like,
"Cease command," or something.
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:And we think, "Oh, f- fuck,
Gaius actually did it."
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:But then she yells, "Jump again."
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: It's just very good.
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:Xhafer: Yeah when we jump Elosha is
talking to a dying Rosalind as they
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:look on and watch the Adamas Cottle
and Starbuck look on at her dying
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:talks
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:Xhafer: about what Rosalind
has taken and given
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:She, she like is kinda mean.
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:She's
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: she's like, "Don't
you just hate these people?"
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:And Rosalyn's like a little like, "Whoa."
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:And she's like, "Well, you s- clearly
don't love them either, so…"
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:Ouch,
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:Um, and she tells her like
point-blank, "You don't love
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:people," and then they jump back.
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:And at this point, Sharon's
thinking all these jumps, the,
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:the hybrid's still go, mission go.
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:It's trying to find the hub
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:Xhafer: Helo talks to a
Sharon that is not Athena
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: Not I'm gonna use not Athena
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:Laura: Not Thena?
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:Okay
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:Xhafer: because as we find out here that
this not Athena has copied one of Athena's
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:like Athena's most recent download into
her brain has like all of the memories of
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:her like relationship and love with Helo
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: her but isn't her
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:And if Helo only knew about the
things that happened back in the
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:fleet where Athena was feeling very
threatened by Natalie at least, but
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:maybe the other Cylons all as a whole
about taking her and Helo's child
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:away this, this don't look great.
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:Xhafer: Wonder if this is
foreshadowing something Huh
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:Laura: Eh,
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:Xhafer: Huh
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:Laura: don't like it, Not Athena.
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:Don't like it.
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:You've
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:You've
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:Xhafer: a
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:Laura: done a big bad
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:Xhafer: Yeah it's fucking Like like
obviously like this is a completely
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:unrelatable scenario Like it is an
interesting question on personhood
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: That like sci-fi is uniquely
equipped to ask which is one of the
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:reasons why as we've stated before we
love this genre is because you get to
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:ask questions in a way that you are able
to start to think about and process in
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:ways where if you were to try to make
it happen in the mundane world you would
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:get so caught up in the hypotheticals
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Xhafer: it'd be a waste of time
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: what makes a person Are are you
the sum of your memories And in that case
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:is this person substantially different
enough from Athena where she is not Athena
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: Cause I mean we're talking her
her last download was when she went to
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:the base star the base ship to get Hera
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:not a full season ago It was
in the back half of last season
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:I really wonder, I don't remember
if it was explicitly stated.
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:Remember when Athena was telling the
Sharons, like, "You guys suck, and you
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:need to find something to stand for."
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:This Sharon had to be, this,
this not Athena had to have
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:been present at that, right?
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:I feel like she, I feel like she was.
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:I don't know that it's ever
gonna be stated in any way, but
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:Xhafer: Yeah I wouldn't think
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:Laura: And I, was this her, like,
attempt at like, okay, I, I, she, she
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:said be better, so maybe if I just,
like, check out her download, maybe
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:I'll know how to be better, you know?
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:And then, oops, I've actually
committed a huge violation
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:of another, another's being.
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:I don't know.
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:But we didn't actually talk about the
other stuff they talk about in this
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:scene, which is, like, they're jumping
after the hub, but they're still a ways
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:behind it, and they're, like, trying to
figure out, like, okay, when we get to
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:the hub, like, what exactly do we do?
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:Because the technology will be able to
detect the Vipers instantly, and they
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:won't, we won't be able to sneak in.
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: So they come up with this plan.
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:Do they come up with the plan
here, or are they, does he just,
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:does she just freak him out?
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:Xhafer: th she freaks him out and I
think this is th this is the origin
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:of the plan but the plan isn't really
fully explained until a couple scenes
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Okay.
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:We're, we're gonna do some
shenanigans in order to get close
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:enough before we have to, like,
tip them off to what we're doing.
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:Um, but yeah
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:Xhafer: goes and talks
to Rosalyn after this
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:He tries to give her an out.
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:He, 'cause she's like sitting in the
raptor that brought her here just
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:chilling out and reading a book,
reading the Seawriter Falcon, I guess.
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:and he's like, "Hey, you know,
this is gonna be dangerous."
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:And I think he's gonna go to, to,
"We could send this raptor back.
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:We could try to send…
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:Or you can wait here," or
like, you know, so- anything.
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:But she's like, "Nah, i- if
we've gotta do this, I'm gonna
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:see it through all the way."
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:but I'm also gonna do, do the deception
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:Xhafer: Yeah for sure like she's
uh she's going and registering
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:the betrayal room for later
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: uh Cavill wakes up Diana and you'd
think a naked Lucy Lawless would be enough
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:to make you forget how creepy Cavill
is he goes and calls Boomer his pet ape
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:Laura: He's so gross.
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:Xhafer: Right
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:Laura: yeah.
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:Xhafer: can't focus on anything
else It's That's how gross he
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:Laura: I'm confused of what he was
even doing here too, because he thought
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:Deanna was dangerous for her knowledge,
and that's why he put her under.
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:But now he's like, "Well, if I
wake her up and she tells them to
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:stop it then it'll all be fine."
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:But why would you assume that
you can get Deanna to do that?
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:She's got…
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:She's, she's eaten the apple
from the tree of knowledge.
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:Like, she's not control worthy anymore.
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: yeah, but he's, he's
been, I guess, blinded by having
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:a pet Eight running around.
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:and the fact that he got an Eight
to turn against her model, I guess.
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:Xhafer: Yeah
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:Laura: But this Eight went
through, like, some hella shit.
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:Xhafer: It's true
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:Laura: I think that's the reason she's
way different, is, like, her time on
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:Galactica, and shooting Adama, and then
going back to Caprica and New Caprica.
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:She's just, like, real messed up.
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:Xhafer: yeah it's bad Uh th this is
After this we get the pilot meeting
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:where both Cylon and human pilots
meet to go over the mission briefing
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:Laura: yeah, it's going so well
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:Xhafer: yeah
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:Laura: So great
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:Xhafer: So they explain the the the
plan which is like the heavy raiders
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:will be able to like sneak the Vipers in
so that the Vipers can blow up the FTL
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:instead of just the heavy raiders doing
it or something The uh It's a cool scene
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: it progresses the plot in
a meaningful way because it makes
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:the Silons and the humans work
together on a joint thing That's
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:all good I appreciate all of that
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:Laura: Mm-hmm
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:Xhafer: But the like conceit of needing
this is so dumb It's like what The the
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:Silons weren't gonna fire on the heavy
raiders coming in but they would have
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:fired on the Vipers even though they
know that the si the heavy raiders
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:are not on their side at this point
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: why they need to do this just
that this is how they're going to do
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:Laura: Yeah
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:Xhafer: And meh I don't
know It's just like
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:It's cool I liked it
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:Laura: I guess maybe there's value in
like, trying to hold off as long as you
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:can, letting them know that the humans
have entered their private dispute.
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:But yeah, it, it's … We just need
to have them like have an argument
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:together, and the whole thing
starts off because we're gonna paint
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:numbers on the Cylon's ships, and
all the humans are shitty about that.
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:Xhafer: The humans are real shitty here
Uh mean they are the victims and they're
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:being f forced to work with who was
their oppressor until very very recently
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:So like empathy but also just like
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:Laura: yeah
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:Xhafer: there's some real not casual
racism being thrown around here
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:Laura: Another interesting thing that I
found in this scene was our- not Athena,
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:who we've already found out has had some
of Athena's memories downloaded into her.
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:We don't know exactly from when
but we know enough to know that
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:there's Helo relationship in
there, and other things possibly.
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:And she kinda does, like, a little
Adama speech about how we need to work
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:together, and it's, it is a little more
fatalistic 'cause it's like, "We're
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:all fucked together, guys," basically.
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:Xhafer: Yeah She's like You guys
trust Athena right Athena's great
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:she says looking like Athena
wearing a Viper pilot's uniform
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:Laura: Mm-hmm.
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:Xhafer: instead of like the normal
Cylon clothes She like got changed
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:into her humie clothes Like
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:Laura: Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:But she's, she's trying to be a
little Adama here and, and like,
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:"Let's, let's pull it together, guys."
440
:But she doesn't quite have the, the
oomph of hope and resilience in it.
441
:It's more like, "We've just…
442
:We have to, guys.
443
:Sorry."
444
:Xhafer: After this Rosalyn and Gaius
bicker in front of the hybrid for
445
:scraps of plot until it tells them
that the Deanna is back in the jumps
446
:Laura: Yeah.
447
:But first they have an argument
about what the hybrid means when
448
:Rosalind brings up, like, the dream
and the opera house and stuff.
449
:And the hybrid, one of those
little scraps the plot throws
450
:out there is protect the child.
451
:And Gaius insists that whatever
he's doing in the dream, he
452
:must be protecting the child.
453
:That must be what I'm doing.
454
:And Rosalind's back here going like, "Mm,
it's kind of ambiguous what you're doing."
455
:Which I mean, fair.
456
:It's very ambiguous how I read it.
457
:I don't know what Gaius and
Six are up to with that child.
458
:But then the way he just starts petulantly
screaming at the hybrid after insisting,
459
:like, he, that he's had a special
connection and stuff, and it's like,
460
:no, you're just a ba- just a man baby.
461
:You're just a baby man.
462
:Xhafer: Yeah big Homelander
vibes anyone's watching the
463
:most recent season of The Boys
464
:Laura: Okay.
465
:I have not watched that yet, but…
466
:Xhafer: Yeah I
467
:Laura: I feel like Homelander's
a questionable name, so
468
:Xhafer: You'd be right
469
:Laura: Okay
470
:Xhafer: The show is many
things It is not subtle
471
:They literally killed a
character by impaling them on
472
:the right wing of a bald eagle
473
:Laura: Huh.
474
:Huh
475
:Huh
476
:Huh?
477
:Xhafer: Right
478
:Laura: Yeah.
479
:I wonder, I wonder I wonder if
this petulant man-baby behavior is
480
:supposed to tell me anything about Mr.
481
:Guyas.
482
:Xhafer: I mean he's not feeling
like Mr Nice Guy is right now
483
:Laura: No, no.
484
:He will later for a minute.
485
:Xhafer: he will later for a
minute Yeah We'll we'll we'll get
486
:there soon they jump Rosalind and
Alosha in this jump talk about the
487
:leader's strength to save the people
488
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
489
:Xhafer: a moral strength not a
physical strength It's something
490
:something she can do while she's dying
491
:Laura: Yeah
492
:it's
493
:Xhafer: a spiritual strength which kind of
implies that she can do it when she's dead
494
:Laura: Yeah.
495
:Xhafer: way
496
:Laura: Yeah.
497
:They have this conversation
through a platitude of the ancients
498
:talking about the people is only as
strong as the body of its leader.
499
:And I found it interesting the way
Rosalyn framed the question uh, she
500
:asks back to Alosha, 'cause she says,
"So did humanity die because I died?"
501
:And I'm like, "Oh, are you
thinking back to your…
502
:when you got the Cylon baby
blurred, and you kind of see
503
:yourself as having died then?"
504
:I don't know.
505
:Or if she's speaking, like, to the
future, but in the, in the past.
506
:Um, but then they d- Alosha's like, "Well,
the ancients were also full of shit."
507
:Like,
508
:The
509
:ancients were people, and they were wrong.
510
:and Rosalyn says something about people
with greater sins than her, and Alosha's
511
:like, "Oh, you're talking about Gaius."
512
:Xhafer: Oh we gonna talk shit about Gaius
513
:Laura: All right.
514
:Xhafer: I came here for that
515
:Laura: uh-huh.
516
:But first we're gonna watch
Adama read a little bit to you.
517
:He's gonna read some more
of that Seawriter Falcon
518
:book, 'cause it's real sweet.
519
:Xhafer: We catch Gaius
preaching to the centurions
520
:Laura: Oh my God, have you accepted
your Lord and Savior, the one Cylon God?
521
:Xhafer: He doesn't want you to be slaves
Uh not that you're slaves but oh um uh
522
:Laura: I, I was like, I can't tell
if at this point we are just making
523
:a reference back to the old show
and how Gaius Baltar of the original
524
:series ha- was running around with
Lucifer and the other Battlebots.
525
:Um, and Gaius is, like, trying to recruit
new converts of a different variety
526
:because he wants to be the Gaius of the
old show with Battlebots behind him.
527
:Uh, I don't know.
528
:I was like, I can't tell if this is a,
if this is gonna be a going concern,
529
:like we're gonna have a problem
with a bunch of Battlebots showing
530
:up because they wanna follow Gaius
later, or we're just making a little
531
:reference to the old show for funsies,
for, like, wink, wink, we see you.
532
:We're still doing things that
remind you of the old show, But
533
:interesting, and I don't think well
thought out, because Gaius knows very
534
:little about the Battlebots, right?
535
:He could know some from
his time on the Battlestar
536
:Xhafer: this this bit is so
important This seems like it's
537
:some stupid throwaway thing wait
538
:Laura: to the battle bot?
539
:Okay
540
:Xhafer: the just the
preaching in general but yes
541
:this isn't done let me put it that
542
:Laura: No, I didn't
543
:Xhafer: continue continue on
544
:Laura: Yeah.
545
:I think we're, we're stuck with preachy
Gaius till the end of the show probably.
546
:But boy It has big, like, hmm, white
evangelical Christianity vibes in that,
547
:like, we love to go to a place where
we don't actually really know the local
548
:population that well or what they need
or how they think or who they are, what
549
:their systems are, and just tell them
exactly what we think our belief system
550
:has to offer them without knowing them.
551
:'Cause the battle bots are probably
different than the lady bots that you
552
:slept with, Gaius, in some fundamental
ways that could become a problem.
553
:Ah.
554
:Ah
555
:Xhafer: you think that this is on-purpose
criticism of the show's Mormon roots
556
:Laura: Oh, and yeah, they
do that a lot, don't they?
557
:Xhafer: Yeah
558
:Laura: Could be
559
:Xhafer: It feels that way to me a little
like it's supposed to be not like a
560
:shot at Glenn Larson in particular
561
:Laura: Yeah
562
:I
563
:Xhafer: or an individual but more
564
:Laura: institution, yeah.
565
:Mm-hmm.
566
:I, I would be entertained if
that came back to bite him in
567
:the ass, is all I'm saying.
568
:But also it could just be an
homage to, like, other things.
569
:That's fine too
570
:Xhafer: Helo tells Roslin not to betray
their Cylon allies in the same exact room
571
:the Cylon allies both planned and canceled
a betrayal in the earlier episodes
572
:Laura: I didn't realize
it was the same room
573
:Xhafer: the same exact room Do you think
that's like this room's label on Teams
574
:Laura: Hmm
575
:Xhafer: you can check out
the betrayal room and have a
576
:meeting hosted in the betrayal
577
:Laura: Yeah.
578
:Mm-hmm
579
:Xhafer: listener I want you to
know I had considered asking for
580
:a Teams call drop right here but I
would never do that to you I know
581
:that's gonna give you some work PTSD
582
:We're in the betrayal room Why
would you believe me listener
583
:Laura: He has betrayed me.
584
:Ugh.
585
:Yeah, I didn't catch
that, and that's great.
586
:I love that this room is just, it just,
it has vibes, and the vibes are bad, and
587
:we are gonna betray people in this room.
588
:Yeah.
589
:Rosaline's seeming a little sick, though.
590
:little sicky
591
:Xhafer: sick Yeah
592
:Pretty clear about what the plan is though
Uh Helo is gonna go grab Deanna and bring
593
:her right here the Cylons aren't going
to have a chance to talk to her because
594
:the final five are a human security issue
595
:Laura: Yeah.
596
:I mean, I don't know why anybody
thinks that this matters, like
597
:getting, getting to Deanna first.
598
:Unless one of you is like actually
trying, planning to kill Deanna
599
:for good, it really doesn't
matter who talks to her first.
600
:Xhafer: Yeah
601
:Laura: It just, it just doesn't to me
602
:Xhafer: Yeah I mean except
for you're portraying people
603
:Laura: Yeah.
604
:It's, I guess.
605
:Xhafer: You don't rent out
the room and then not do a
606
:Laura: It's true.
607
:That's what it's for.
608
:Like, if you don't use it for its
purpose, you're gonna get in trouble.
609
:Xhafer: Natalie Six strikes me as the
type who would've noticed l Rosalind
610
:had checked out the betrayal room
611
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
612
:No, no.
613
:And where the fuck is Leoben?
614
:Where is that guy?
615
:He's not in this episode at all.
616
:I guess he's st- he's down in, like,
the, the Battlebot bunker talking
617
:them all down because they were all
worked up for a betrayal, and it was
618
:gonna be a whole thing, except for
that one that's talking to Gaius.
619
:He's very distracted.
620
:Xhafer: Yeah he's a real sir
not appearing in this film
621
:Laura: Yeah.
622
:Yeah
623
:Xhafer: Cavil wants Deanna to call the
rebels and do peace talks that's not gonna
624
:happen though because as he's talking
about this the base stars jumped in see
625
:the Raiders with the Vipers pull off their
slick maneuver to get them right into the
626
:hub Deanna kills the Cavil Boomer runs
627
:Laura: Oh, this is so delicious though
when she kills the Cavill, because
628
:Xhafer: She's like Oh
resurrection's gonna be turned off
629
:Laura: Crunch.
630
:Xhafer: Gotcha
631
:Laura: Fuck that guy
632
:Xhafer: She pulls out a chakra and goes
633
:Laura: I don't know why G- Cavill
just did all this to be exceptionally
634
:stupid and get cronched, because all
of this was a terrible plan on his part
635
:part
636
:Xhafer: I've got some bad news
When they say they have a plan
637
:sometimes the plan was being stupid
638
:Laura: Right
639
:Xhafer: apparent already
with 11 episodes left
640
:Laura: Yeah.
641
:Yeah, but the, the tow plan went fine.
642
:Like, I think, was it Celix who was
getting nervous and, like, swearing
643
:at the Cylon pilot who was towing her?
644
:Xhafer: C yeah C looks pretty pissy
645
:Laura: Yeah, but the, the cables
blow and we're going in hot
646
:Xhafer: Yep This is the
Battle of the Resurrection Hub
647
:Laura: Did Boomer get away?
648
:We cronched Cavill
649
:Xhafer: status unknown
650
:Laura: Yeah
651
:Xhafer: Boomer ran but the ship
gets nuked in about two scenes so
652
:Laura: I don't know.
653
:If you told me that Boomer got away and
then was gonna show up later, I wouldn't
654
:be surprised because she did skedaddle
655
:Xhafer: She skedaddled
and Resurrection's dead so
656
:Laura: Yeah.
657
:Xhafer: you're not coming back after
658
:Laura: You gotta get out of here
659
:Xhafer: I feel like you
don't kill Boomer off-screen
660
:Laura: Yeah,
661
:Xhafer: You don't kill
Boomer permanently off-screen
662
:Laura: Oh, man.
663
:Yeah.
664
:I feel like Boomer could, could go down
in a big way because, I mean, Boomer
665
:has been with us since the beginning of
this show, and somehow, well, through
666
:resurrection, came back after killing
Adama and getting shot by Callie.
667
:So, like, hmm, I don't think
he killed Boomer off screen.
668
:Might be, might be a big one.
669
:Might be a big death
670
:Xhafer: the Viper pilots take out
the FTL quickly Gaius continues
671
:to preach telling the centurions
that they shouldn't be slaves
672
:Laura: Helo
673
:Xhafer: and not Thena get Deanna
Pike freaks out and jumps back
674
:to the barn as he gets shot
675
:Laura: Yeah
676
:Xhafer: sets up them
finding that Raptor later
677
:Laura: Yeah, he like his, his
equipment was donked up, I think.
678
:Like, things were shorting out.
679
:He wasn't able to do what he
needed to do, and he was like, "F-
680
:screw you guys, I'm going home."
681
:And somebody left the book in that Raptor.
682
:Xhafer: Yep
683
:Laura: Way to go, Roslyn
684
:Xhafer: The rebel base ship takes some
big hits here and the centurion that
685
:Gaius was preaching to gets sploded
686
:Laura: Uh-huh.
687
:Xhafer: of him goes into Gaius
688
:Laura: Yes, he gets, like,
the shrapnel of this.
689
:Uh, So you could…
690
:I could see this being a one-off
thing, 'cause we've just exploded the
691
:battle bot who he was preaching at.
692
:Or maybe they have some sort of connection
and the other battle bots know what they
693
:were talking about, and maybe they come
back and try to find Gaius, or maybe Gaius
694
:starts seeking out the battle bots again.
695
:But I, mm, I just really don't feel
like his motivation here is pure
696
:in preaching to the battle bot.
697
:He's like, "Don't be slaves."
698
:But I kinda think he wants
them to be his slaves, right?
699
:Xhafer: I mean hmm
700
:Laura: Yeah
701
:Xhafer: Yeah I am not gonna say
702
:Laura: I'm not convinced
is all I'm saying.
703
:I keep seeing little th- little
things, and maybe I'm just being hyper
704
:picky of the character but I keep
seeing little things and I'm like,
705
:"I don't think this man has changed."
706
:Xhafer: well he has a big moment
about that in the next scene here
707
:because Roslin saves his life
starts to dress his wounds gives him
708
:some morpho and he is high as fuck
709
:Laura: Yeah
710
:Xhafer: He tells her that she needs Jeeves
711
:uh
712
:Laura: The
713
:audacity.
714
:Okay.
715
:Xhafer: Yeah helped him with his guilt
and she's like Your guilt Your guilt
716
:over what Gaius Your guilt over what You
wanna tell me what your guilt's about
717
:If you were guilty about something you
718
:Laura: You tell me.
719
:Yeah.
720
:talk about guilt.
721
:We're friends.
722
:Xhafer: We could talk about it It's okay
723
:Laura: Yeah.
724
:Don't even worry about it.
725
:Xhafer: We know how it goes We got the
book of secrets It's chill Just tell
726
:me Just tell me what's going on Just
what are you guilty about What happened
727
:Laura: what executive
orders have you issued?
728
:I just wanna know
729
:Xhafer: let's let's you know yeah yeah
Just uh you know was it before that maybe
730
:Hmm Hmm You know and he finally admits to
her that he was an unwitting accomplice
731
:to the initial attack of the Cylons
732
:Laura: I gave them the codes.
733
:Xhafer: Yep
734
:Laura: And but he, he admits to the
big secret, but in the same breath says
735
:that, "That was the moment that saved
me, Gaius Baltar, and I am loved, me,
736
:Gaius Baltar, because no one blames
the flood when it wipes everything out.
737
:I'm
738
:Xhafer: big flood
739
:Laura: I'm just the flood, and
God loves me, and it's okay.
740
:And you can also have the same peace,
Rosalyn, if we just pray together.
741
:Let's pray together about it."
742
:Xhafer: She is shaking through all
of this in such a like believable way
743
:Laura: And uh, she is so, so shaken.
744
:She thinks maybe it's, maybe I
should just take this bandage off.
745
:Real talk though, Jafer, 'cause
746
:Xhafer: about how Gaius
was doing the Christ pose
747
:Laura: No.
748
:Xhafer: arms fell back
749
:Laura: I didn't, he, I'm sure he, and
he has a, he's been pierced in his side
750
:Xhafer: yeah he pierced in the side
and everything They didn't give
751
:us the big overhead to just like
752
:Laura: Hammer it home.
753
:Yeah.
754
:Yeah.
755
:Xhafer: but
756
:Laura: No, the real talk I want is
about, you know, the, as she's shaking
757
:and what, what have you, and what
leads her to contemplate doing Gaius'
758
:murder is that she sees blood dripping
from the bandage to the floor, and so
759
:she decides to take the bandage off.
760
:And I was like, "Erin, that
bandage ain't doing shit anyway."
761
:Like, 'cause he's been monologuing
for, he's been monologuing for two
762
:minutes, and that thing is already
dripping blood on the floor, and as she
763
:takes it off, it is completely soaked.
764
:I was like, "I don't think she's actually
doing what she thinks she's doing.
765
:I think it was already bad."
766
:I don't…
767
:Yeah.
768
:He's just gonna die without a bandage
on instead of dying with a bandage on.
769
:Xhafer: Yeah
770
:Laura: Unless she can do something else,
but she's too shaken to think about that.
771
:Xhafer: Helo and crew clear
the hub get Deanna off and then
772
:they nuke the shit out of it
773
:Laura: Yeah, the hub explode
774
:Xhafer: Baltar pleads for his life as
the ship jumps And when it does Roslin
775
:and Alosha talk about the moral weight
of judging someone unworthy of life
776
:Laura: Yeah.
777
:Xhafer: humanity deserves
to survive or it doesn't
778
:Laura: She says specifically, "I think
the harder it is to recognize someone's
779
:humanity, that's when you have to tr-
that's when it's most important to try."
780
:Xhafer: yeah
781
:Laura: yeah, and I feel like the
theme of either all of humanity is
782
:worthy or none of it had been brought
up by Adama earlier in the show.
783
:I don't…
784
:It feels right, but I can't put a
specific finger on it, and I can't…
785
:I'm not gonna Google it.
786
:But I f- I feel like quite
early in the show something
787
:was, was said to this effect.
788
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm
789
:Laura: one of the Adamas.
790
:Could've been Lee, but…
791
:So, Alosh is, like, urging her
to just love someone, anyone, and
792
:Adama happens to be right here
793
:Xhafer: Yep
794
:Laura: the bedside.
795
:Oh, and I did, I cried.
796
:I'll admit it right here, because she,
she watches herself die with Adama there,
797
:and Adama's, like, takes his ring off
and gives it to her, and I guess maybe
798
:this was his wedding ring from before.
799
:Like, is he the kind of person
who never took his wedding ring
800
:off, even after the divorce?
801
:Xhafer: You know the answer to that is
802
:Laura: Yeah, you're right.
803
:And it's like, oh, he
couldn't do it until she died.
804
:That's so sad.
805
:Xhafer: it is
806
:Laura: It got me.
807
:It got me, Jafer.
808
:And also, I came around to, like, ugh,
now Roslin does have to save Gaius.
809
:Okay.
810
:So, we jump back in, and uh,
Roslin's gonna do just that.
811
:She's gonna try harder
812
:Xhafer: Yeah She rushes to save Baltar As
Helo takes Deanna down to Rosalyn Nathena
813
:is pretty pissed about this sudden twist
814
:Laura: Yeah.
815
:Yeah.
816
:Um, she had said to Deanna as we're,
as the hub is exploding that like,
817
:"Now we're all on the same footing
and now we can all trust each other."
818
:And I'm just like, boy, she kind of
feels like the very naive character
819
:who gets a little bit of knowledge
and is like, "Ah, yes, I have it now."
820
:'Cause she's, she's downloaded
Athena's perspective and such,
821
:and so she's like, "Ah, I get it.
822
:Like, if I just put, if I put
these variables all here, then ah,
823
:we're all fine now," and can't like
grasp that there are subtleties and
824
:other things out there that like
you don't, you can't totally know.
825
:Xhafer: Yeah
826
:Laura: And so she's been
betrayed, but she kinda never
827
:should have expected complete…
828
:I don't know.
829
:I was just like, okay.
830
:But yeah, Helo does not wanna do this.
831
:She knows that.
832
:She knows that about Helo.
833
:And yeah, Rosalyn's efforts are working.
834
:It seems like Gaius is going to stabilize
835
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm Yeah Deanna runs to him
because you know they they were banging
836
:Laura: Okay.
837
:Xhafer: Uh I mean she doesn't that
was like her last memory was at the
838
:Laura: Yeah.
839
:How is Deanna gonna
feel about the bang bus?
840
:Xhafer: I mean like they
were pretty open with
841
:Laura: true.
842
:Xhafer: I mean I don't
843
:Laura: But Six is one
of her kind, you know?
844
:Is she gonna feel so open?
845
:Xhafer: gonna be racist about it
846
:Laura: I mean, she could be, right?
847
:Yeah.
848
:We don't really know how seeing
the final five has changed her.
849
:Has it made her more open to
humanity, or has it made her
850
:more cynical about humanity?
851
:She died real quick after we saw them,
so we really don't know, and she hasn't
852
:had a chance to say much about that
853
:Xhafer: Yeah
854
:Laura: Uh, Roslin immediately
hops into asking her about the
855
:final five Cylons in the fleet
856
:Xhafer: Yeah she's all like I'm not gonna
fucking tell you shit until I'm safe
857
:Laura: Well, bef
858
:Xhafer: said the sa
859
:Laura: first she's gonna make a
joke at Roslin's expense, but is it
860
:is
861
:Xhafer: Oh
862
:Laura: a joke?
863
:Xhafer: or is it a joke Yeah she totally
fakes Roslin out It's like Why don't
864
:you know You're one of them she's just
like What Then it's like Gotcha bitch
865
:Laura: Yeah.
866
:And I was like, "Man, she can't be 'cause
she's the super secret sixth Simon."
867
:Yeah.
868
:No, I I found that really funny.
869
:But yeah, Deanna is kind- she, she
sees how the cookie has crumbled and I
870
:have to protect myself right now, and
my knowledge is incredibly valuable to
871
:everyone, and so I'm going to hold it
and let that value just keep accumulating
872
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm
873
:Laura: Oh, we're gonna talk
to Alosha one last time
874
:Xhafer: Yeah Rosalind listens
to the hybrid as they jump back
875
:Laura: Mm-hmm.
876
:Xhafer: Maybe something is there
for her at her home Something's
877
:waiting for her she feels it
878
:Laura: Yeah.
879
:Xhafer: and we cut
880
:Laura: Oh, no, no.
881
:I don't wanna cut back, Jafari
882
:One of the interesting things
in this scene is Roslin accusing
883
:Alosha of lying to her, and she's
like, "Hey, I saved Gaius, and I
884
:didn't get to know the final five."
885
:And Alosha says that you don't just
save a life and get celestial trumpets.
886
:That's not how this works.
887
:And I don't know, I just, mm,
remember episodes ago when Gaius
888
:at least thinks that he was ready
to give up his life for a little
889
:boy, and the little boy got saved.
890
:The little boy did not die of encephalitis
891
:Xhafer: Yeah
892
:Laura: And I'm like, "Hmm, it
kind of feels like Gaius took that
893
:moment as celestial trumpets."
894
:And I'm so wonderful and I'm so great.
895
:But we have a character here saying
like, "No, that's not how it works."
896
:And I was just like, "Huh, that's
another point in the I still
897
:don't like Gaius Baltar column."
898
:Xhafer: don't worry there's still
points to be logged in that column
899
:Laura: Oh, good.
900
:Oh, great.
901
:But yeah, um, there might be something
for you even closer than Galactica
902
:Xhafer: Yeah they they jump back to the
rendezvous point The fleet is gone we see
903
:Adama just lounging as the base ship makes
it over He flies over reunited with Roslin
904
:They embrace and confess their feelings
905
:Laura: Sort of.
906
:Xhafer: She says I love you He says
About time which makes it feel like
907
:he said it to her at some point but
maybe not with Adama you never know
908
:Laura: Yeah.
909
:No, I took it as like, yes.
910
:I took it as the Han Solo like, "I
can't be, I can't deign to say I love
911
:you too, but I also feel the sentiment.
912
:So instead of saying the L
word, which is scary, I'm just
913
:gonna express my agreement."
914
:Xhafer: Yeah
915
:Laura: is very dad troped.
916
:Like, dads don't say I love you.
917
:Xhafer: Mm-hmm
918
:Laura: Okay, fine.
919
:I did, I did cry a little though
920
:Xhafer: Yeah it's a
921
:But that's the episode
922
:Laura: have one last important
thing written in my notes.
923
:Xhafer: Yeah let's talk about it
924
:Laura: It's very simple.
925
:If Deanna doesn't fucking clock
Nikki, I'm going to lose my mind.
926
:Xhafer: If she doesn't
clock Nikki there's a reason
927
:Laura: Huh.
928
:Okay
929
:Xhafer: reason is lazy writing
that reason is they couldn't
930
:get the kids on set that day
931
:Laura: Yeah.
932
:I just, I just feel like if Deanna finds
out that Tyrell had a son, whether or
933
:not she sees Nikki, whatever, if she
finds out Tyrell had a son, like, that
934
:should be important to her, unless
now she knows something about the
935
:final five and it's not important at
936
:Xhafer: assuming that she she
accurately knows the final five
937
:Laura: Yeah.
938
:Yeah.
939
:Oh, fuck, Ja'far.
940
:Xhafer: which is also TBD
941
:Laura: yeah, good point.
942
:Fuck.
943
:I've been forgetting so…
944
:I think I've forgotten it for
two fucking episodes now, Ja'far.
945
:Something really important that
I was supposed to talk about
946
:Xhafer: it It was like I had something
important to talk about and I forgot
947
:We'll have to talk about it next episode
948
:Laura: Fuck
949
:Xhafer: Well you remembered
950
:Laura: I did remembered.
951
:You know what else
shouldn't be able to happen?
952
:No, no, you're not getting out of it yet.
953
:You're not getting out of this yet
954
:yet
955
:Xhafer: What's up
956
:Laura: and six have made a pregnancy.
957
:We are t- we were told that was
not supposed to be able to happen
958
:Xhafer: Yep
959
:Laura: I guess, I guess we weren't
told that it wasn't supposed to be
960
:able to happen, but it doesn't work.
961
:So something bad could happen to the six.
962
:But yeah.
963
:I was like, "Huh, are the
final five built different?
964
:Or
965
:Xhafer: Well
966
:Laura: Here's a, here's a…
967
:Can I, can I get, put
the old, old tinfoil on?
968
:on
969
:Xhafer: your tin get
your tinfoil out Laura
970
:Laura: old tinfoil.
971
:Xhafer: hats Let's do
972
:Laura: What if there was something about
the models that aren't the f- so the,
973
:the other seven, the significant seven,
is that what the world calls them?
974
:Xhafer: significant seven
975
:Laura: What if there was something
about the significant seven that the,
976
:whoever created them, however they
were created, they were like, "Mm,
977
:these ones shouldn't be able to breed."
978
:"These ones, no, these ones are
like," for lack of a better word,
979
:"like handicapped in some way.
980
:We've, we've done something to them that
is not a good idea for them to breed."
981
:Xhafer: are so close to
something so important
982
:Laura: Oh, cool.
983
:Xhafer: I'll say that give you that much
984
:Laura: if like the final five happened
upon them, then, or, you know,
985
:they can interbreed with humans.
986
:We figured that out.
987
:But we didn't want them to be able to
reproduce because they're like, eh,
988
:they're all a little weird, right?
989
:Everybody's a little weird.
990
:Xhafer: the fact that Six is pregnant
with Ty Nikki exists The fact that
991
:those two things both happened
does have certain implications
992
:Laura: Hmm.
993
:Okay.
994
:I can't wait.
995
:Xhafer: Well you won't have to wait
too long for some answers on some
996
:of this stuff I'll say that We got
season f or oh we gotta rate this one
997
:Laura: Oh,
998
:Xhafer: give this one a rating
999
:Laura: I don't know.
:
00:52:26,656 --> 00:52:28,096
It was just a lot of fun.
:
00:52:28,296 --> 00:52:29,146
I had a lot of fun.
:
00:52:29,956 --> 00:52:31,876
I'm gonna give it, like, 11 out of 12
:
00:52:32,828 --> 00:52:34,238
Xhafer: Yeah I'll give
it a I'll give it an 11
:
00:52:34,302 --> 00:52:34,682
Laura: Mm-hmm.
:
00:52:35,112 --> 00:52:35,372
Yeah
:
00:52:35,948 --> 00:52:40,934
Xhafer: All right next up season four
episode 10 Deanna holds Russell in
:
00:52:40,934 --> 00:52:42,874
hostage in order to draw out the final
:
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:43,400
Laura: What?
:
00:52:45,492 --> 00:52:50,852
Xhafer: I I edited the shit
out of this one Uh uh you
:
00:52:50,852 --> 00:52:52,862
haven't watched this one yet I
:
00:52:52,884 --> 00:52:53,164
Laura: No.
:
00:52:53,432 --> 00:52:54,982
Xhafer: you were super
late to watch this one
:
00:52:54,994 --> 00:52:55,254
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:52:55,374 --> 00:52:56,964
I wanna watch it tonight though.
:
00:52:57,364 --> 00:52:57,564
Yeah
:
00:52:57,862 --> 00:53:01,472
Xhafer: it tonight I want you to keep
something in mind here when you watch this
:
00:53:01,690 --> 00:53:02,080
Laura: Okay, all
:
00:53:02,169 --> 00:53:02,529
Okay all
:
00:53:02,602 --> 00:53:04,722
Xhafer: was almost the se series finale
:
00:53:05,134 --> 00:53:05,724
Laura: no!
:
00:53:06,552 --> 00:53:09,132
Xhafer: This was almost the series finale
finale because of the writers strike
:
00:53:09,346 --> 00:53:09,806
Laura: Mm-hmm
:
00:53:10,222 --> 00:53:15,382
Xhafer: Edward James Olmos after the
production of the show has gone on record
:
00:53:15,462 --> 00:53:18,902
as saying that this should have been Not
like should have been like he doesn't like
:
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,170
Laura: Mm-hmm
:
00:53:19,258 --> 00:53:19,818
Mm-hmm
:
00:53:19,942 --> 00:53:24,632
Xhafer: all like I wish the show was
brave enough to end with this episode
:
00:53:25,602 --> 00:53:27,482
Laura: But there's gonna
be unanswered questions
:
00:53:28,522 --> 00:53:31,962
Xhafer: Oh there's so many unanswered
questions But when you see where this
:
00:53:31,962 --> 00:53:35,982
episode ends you're gonna be like Fuck
:
00:53:36,078 --> 00:53:37,158
Laura: I'm so scared.
:
00:53:37,762 --> 00:53:43,162
Xhafer: You should be It's one of the two
Melora It's one of the two is next episode
:
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:47,430
Laura: Are you gonna stay
up late so I can text you?
:
00:53:49,056 --> 00:53:49,976
Xhafer: Um
:
00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:51,280
Laura: you don't have to do that.
:
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:52,682
Don't sacrifice
:
00:53:53,168 --> 00:53:54,868
Xhafer: see I I I was thinking
about playing some Slay the
:
00:53:54,868 --> 00:53:56,218
Spire too so I might stay up
:
00:53:56,322 --> 00:53:56,802
Laura: Yeah.
:
00:53:57,102 --> 00:53:57,442
I don't…
:
00:53:57,702 --> 00:54:01,292
I can still hear the little one
is awake, so I might not be able
:
00:54:01,292 --> 00:54:03,272
to start watching right away, so
:
00:54:03,334 --> 00:54:07,224
Xhafer: I did drink a CBD tea when
we started recording so we'll see
:
00:54:07,224 --> 00:54:08,474
I might not be long for the waking
:
00:54:08,544 --> 00:54:09,336
Laura: It's okay
:
00:54:10,094 --> 00:54:11,605
Xhafer: but uh you're
:
00:54:14,364 --> 00:54:16,864
You're gonna wake Aaron up if you
can't get ahold of me I'll say that
:
00:54:17,214 --> 00:54:20,864
There's no there's no way you can
watch this episode and not talk about
:
00:54:20,931 --> 00:54:24,951
Laura: Yeah, I had that problem last
night of having to just, like, info,
:
00:54:25,321 --> 00:54:30,711
you know, tinfoil theories dump at
Aaron after I finished that one, so
:
00:54:32,065 --> 00:54:33,685
Xhafer: And he's gonna
light up Spoiler Town
:
00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:34,771
Laura: yeah.
:
00:54:34,821 --> 00:54:38,191
I, I was like, "Don't worry, I'm
sure Aaron will live tweet to
:
00:54:38,191 --> 00:54:42,081
Spoiler Town all the reactions I
have and the things that I say."
:
00:54:47,092 --> 00:54:48,872
Xhafer: We need a semi-spoiler town
:
00:54:52,293 --> 00:54:54,003
Spoiler town but for Laura
:
00:54:56,147 --> 00:54:57,007
Laura: I'm so excited.
:
00:54:57,077 --> 00:54:57,707
I'm so excited.
:
00:54:57,807 --> 00:54:59,207
Okay, we can do
:
00:54:59,393 --> 00:55:00,563
Xhafer: Yeah you're so excited now
:
00:55:00,787 --> 00:55:01,237
Laura: Uh-oh.
:
00:55:01,653 --> 00:55:05,613
Xhafer: that was a fun fact I
presented earlier It will not be a
:
00:55:05,613 --> 00:55:07,373
fun fact when you finish the episode
:
00:55:08,757 --> 00:55:09,187
Laura: Okay.
:
00:55:09,742 --> 00:55:10,182
Gotcha.
:
00:55:10,306 --> 00:55:13,676
Xhafer: whatever you are thinking
it could possibly be you are wrong
:
00:55:13,786 --> 00:55:17,136
Laura: You just said you think it's the
biggest twist of the show in this episode.
:
00:55:17,136 --> 00:55:20,016
I remember if you said that on
pod, but you have said that to me
:
00:55:20,672 --> 00:55:27,769
Xhafer: I I know I've said that before
for sure is the biggest twist in the Um
:
00:55:27,989 --> 00:55:34,129
I think when uh Callie died I I called
it the third most Was was that the
:
00:55:34,317 --> 00:55:37,247
Laura: Yeah, the third most
tr- tragic or, yeah, depressing
:
00:55:38,099 --> 00:55:41,219
Xhafer: Thing that happens
this season There are people
:
00:55:41,219 --> 00:55:42,679
who will feel that this is one
:
00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:43,629
Laura: Okay
:
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:48,949
Xhafer: There are people who will
feel this is two I'm in camp two
:
00:55:49,339 --> 00:55:49,655
Laura: Okay
:
00:55:50,659 --> 00:55:58,169
Xhafer: But we'll talk about that in
I don't even wanna say what episode
:
00:55:58,169 --> 00:56:02,049
that happens in how many episodes
because it's so shocking by its
:
00:56:02,049 --> 00:56:06,019
nature that it needs to be that
surprise You can't know it's coming
:
00:56:06,797 --> 00:56:07,077
Laura: Okay.
:
00:56:07,157 --> 00:56:07,775
All right
:
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:12,475
Xhafer: the other one you won't get any
warning on But This one you can have a
:
00:56:12,475 --> 00:56:18,025
little just cause we can talk about how
they thought this was gonna be the series
:
00:56:18,025 --> 00:56:19,365
finale We'll probably talk about that a
:
00:56:19,807 --> 00:56:20,107
Laura: Okay
:
00:56:20,619 --> 00:56:22,289
I'll see you again soon then, I'm sure.
:
00:56:22,847 --> 00:56:26,447
Xhafer: Yeah I'll uh I'll try to get
my notes done so we can record tomorrow
:
00:56:27,097 --> 00:56:30,667
because I think it's gonna be real
important to record this one fresh
:
00:56:31,672 --> 00:56:34,602
you know what else is fresh
The hip tunes of Jeremy
:
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:37,570
Laura: Always the freshest of beets
:
00:56:38,382 --> 00:56:41,102
Xhafer: Jeremy thanks so much for
the music We appreciate the hell
:
00:56:41,102 --> 00:56:45,062
out of it and we appreciate the hell
out of you Find more of Jeremy's
:
00:56:45,062 --> 00:56:46,282
work at jeremysiegel42.bandcamp.com
:
00:56:46,542 --> 00:56:50,282
Laura: And if you're looking for some more
cute artwork, head on over to Instagram
:
00:56:50,282 --> 00:56:52,792
where you'll find Angry Duck Time Machine
:
00:56:53,466 --> 00:56:53,846
Xhafer: Aaron
:
00:56:55,795 --> 00:57:00,345
Get out of the portrayal room You don't
need to be in there buddy You're a great
:
00:57:00,517 --> 00:57:01,337
Laura: We're all done.
:
00:57:01,697 --> 00:57:02,317
Yeah.
:
00:57:02,867 --> 00:57:07,207
And listeners, if you wanna go to other
rooms that aren't for betrayal, but
:
00:57:07,207 --> 00:57:14,517
rather for spoilers or for other podcasts
or for Star Trek or music or just
:
00:57:14,517 --> 00:57:20,377
some memes or discussing this podcast
with me, come on over to the Discord.
:
00:57:20,387 --> 00:57:24,887
There are lots of rooms which have
places for you, and very little betrayal.
:
00:57:25,037 --> 00:57:26,367
Almost no betrayal
:
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,953
Xhafer: Almost no betrayal We'll
see you next week internet.
:
00:57:30,461 --> 00:57:31,221
Laura: Bye.
