On this week's episode of "Who's Your Band?," we're joined by musician, singer, and songwriter Cassidy Catanzaro! We dive deep into Cassidy's personal journey, the complexities of fame and the music industry, weight loss, the unsettling dynamics of celebrity culture, political agendas, Diddy, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, and so much more!

Normally, the intro part of the podcast that says welcome to who's your band joined by my co host, Sean Moore is not going to be said tonight because I am taking the lead on this one because my co host is out doing something that is more important to him than this podcast.

So he will be here in about a half an hour.

But my co host for the next half hour, let me just tell you something.

Number one, good friend of mine.

Number two, way better looking than Jeff.

Number three, been on stage doing comedy, funnier than Jeff.

Number four, amazing, amazing singer.

One of my dearest friends in the world, my dear friend Cassidy.

It's so good to see you.

You look outstanding.

Like, shockingly amazing.

How do you feel?

Do you feel great?

I, you know, this was part of a joke that I did, and I took it out, and it's a legit thing.

People will always say, how do you feel?

No, I'm in more pain than I've ever been in my entire life.

Because no matter what, no matter what, I'm 48.

I'm 48.

And I'll tell you right now, being skinny makes you achy, doesn't it?

Everything hurts.

I have parts of me that I just found, like, different muscles in my knees and my calves that they.

They just decided to like, you know, hey, let's just start giving him pain every day of his life.

Yeah, yeah.

But no, it's a big difference.

It's.

It's.

It's fun, though, you know, It's.

It's very, very different.

Do you have that?

Because.

I know.

So listen, it's relative, right?

What somebody considers, like, they have to lose weight and they don't have to lose weight.

I.

I struggled with my weight, you know, not to the same degree, but when I was in.

I would say my 20s and 30s especially, I would say my highway.

Like, I'm five three, so I was probably 40, maybe 44 to 45 pounds heavier than I am now.

Rich wig.

You're tiny.

Yeah, yeah.

Now I'm really small.

Like, now, for me, I'm actually more skinny than I've ever been.

And it's weird because it's like the older I get, the skinnier I get, which it's usually the complete opposite.

Like, women don't.

Usually.

Women do the opposite.

But I'm sort of going through, like, you know, all the things hormonally that women go through as you get older, but I'm getting skinnier, which is so bizarre.

But when I was heavier, I was just.

I was gonna say I Remember, I would lose the weight and there would be a.

Like, always, like a fear that it was gonna come back.

Like, I always had that in the back of my head that I was worried all the time.

And I don't know if that's just like, a chick thing or if that's something that.

Do you think about that?

Does that.

No.

I've spent about $15,000 in the past year on a fucking new wardrobe, so I am not.

I am terrified of gaining two pounds, let alone.

So you're on it.

So you're like, self and like, you're on it.

Myself, I weigh myself seven times a day.

I'm like, in the morning, and then, like, I'll take a pee and I'll wear myself again.

Then I'll have coffee, and then I'll.

Before I go to work, I'll wear myself again.

Then I come home.

Okay, so you're like.

You're, like, obsessed.

Okay?

It's not.

It's not pleasant.

It's.

It's really not.

But your wife nuts.

Yes.

Oh, well, that's in general.

That's just in general.

Yeah.

But for me, like.

Like you were talking about, you know, just having that little bit of a difference.

For me, I've never been this size.

Like, I was heavier freshman year of high school than I am now.

Wow.

So I've always.

I went from 460 to 250.

So it's like, it's.

It was a big jump.

It was a big difference, but unbelievable.

I mean, it's just.

Yeah, it's such a beautiful thing.

It's such an inspiration because so many people struggle and can't do it.

It's so hard.

And then when you think about.

I've known so many people who've struggled, and there's always that thing of, like, they don't want to start because it feels so insurmountable.

It's.

It's just to the.

When you're talking about 200 pounds, right, and you're going to start, it's like, all right, it's great.

I lost.

I lost eight ounces.

I lost four pounds.

It's like, you know.

You know, 995 to go or 195 to go.

It's like.

It's overwhelming, and it's.

It keeps people from getting on that path.

So I'm just super proud of you that you did that and that you stuck with it.

Was there something specific that happened?

I don't know.

We didn't talk about it.

Was there like.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, well, I'll tell you.

I mean, I think I mentioned it once or twice on the show, but I was at a con.

I went to see springsteen.

Spent ridiculous amount of money on tickets.

I had first row in the.

In the 100 section at Prudential.

So I'm right alongside the stage.

I'm watching the show and text one of my best friends.

We're having a great time.

We're bullshitting, blah, blah, blah.

And then the next morning, I got a phone call that he dropped out of a heart attack that morning.

My age, a week younger than me, so I was just kind of like, okay.

I mean.

And again, guys in great shape.

It was a cop, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

Went to the wake.

And then it was just one of those things.

I saw my dearest friends in the casket, and I looked down and, honey, it just went like that.

The key just turned.

And I said, I'm never going to have my friends have to go through that.

Yeah.

And the next day, I just went outside and I walked.

So, like, I moved into the.

I don't say it the country, because you live in the country, but, like, compared to used to live, it's the country, you know?

So I mapped out a little path behind my house.

Like three miles if I do it twice.

It's like five miles if I do it three times.

And I just started walking one day, and it was just one day, and then one day turned to the next.

And it's one of the jokes I'm doing on stage.

Wow.

You just started walking.

And that was it.

And that was sort of the beginning.

Yeah, that was it.

Watch.

Started watching when they eat.

And that was it.

I can't believe it.

It's just incredible.

It's like, it really is all it takes.

And people make it more complicated than.

And I had a girlfriend that was.

That was really very overweight, probably about 400 pounds or close.

And.

And she was brilliant and wonderful and had everything in the world going for her.

But she used to say, I'll go back to the gym, but first I have to lose a little bit of weight, and then I'll go back to, like, there was always this, like, There were always these excuses for, like, what.

When she was good, she needed this to happen before she could do that.

Before she could do that, just walk out your front door and walk to the end of the block and walk back.

Do that.

That's it.

Yeah, right.

Start there.

The cool thing is I inspired one of my friends and he's gotten back into his health.

And this is another one that we were trying to work on.

And like, you can't lead a horse to water.

Like, you can't just tell people, like, how your success happens and it's going to be the same for them.

But, like, you gotta.

You also gotta be honest with yourself.

Like, my one friend's like, oh, you know, I'm losing all.

You know, you're losing all the weight.

You, you know, you're doing all the work and you do the same thing.

You know, I don't sit at a desk all day.

I'm moving around, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

I'm like, well, look, everybody's body's different.

And then the next sentence, oh, you went to Philly.

Did you get the new her potato chips?

No, I didn't get them.

Oh, I bought all five bags.

I had to buy at least two bags of each.

Well, there.

There's 10 bags, potato chips that you just shoved down your fat face.

And that's the reason why you.

And that's the reason why it ain't coming off, you know, but, yeah, I've slacked a little bit.

I'm not going to lie.

I've slacked a little bit, but it was, you know, it's bound to happen.

Well, it's normal.

You have to live your life too.

Right.

You don't want to be obsessed.

Finding that normalcy, that balance, and finding a place where you can be normal and.

And not be like every single thing.

You have to panic about what puts in your mouth, but you just don't ever want to get back to where it was.

That's all.

It's.

It's just figuring out how to live like a normal person.

Yeah, I wasn't a drinker, you know, and, you know, I quit smoking.

I quit all that, you know, and so, yeah, it's been.

It's been fun.

It's been fun.

Since the last time we've.

We've hung out, but we have not seen each other in.

In a few years.

Actually, the last time I saw you was doing one of those outdoor quarantine shows.

Yes.

In Sparta, which was great.

But how have you recovered since the world shut down?

Like, even.

Just like, not even mentally, but like, more, I would say socially, as far as your.

Your careers are going, because you're.

You never all over the map, which I love about.

But you have your hands on a bunch of different things, and how did.

How did it really affect you to get back into the.

Yeah.

You know, it's funny because this has been a conversation lately for me, the fact that I.

I all but totally left the music business, like, just completely walked away from it.

And it's been very difficult, more so for the people in my life than.

Than me, necessarily.

And the reason I say it that way is because it's hard, I think, when people like your work or they're proud of you or they're excited, you know, by the things that you've done in your career to sort of watch you say that you don't love it anymore and that you don't want to do it anymore, and it doesn't make a lot of sense.

And I get that, and I have a lot of guilt and a lot of.

I feel like a lot of explaining to do.

And so, you know, for.

I got for.

For pretty much everybody who does not know who I am, because nobody knows who I am.

I was in a band and we were very successful.

Successful.

And it was awesome.

And, you know, we had a lot of fun and I wrote a lot of songs and I met a lot of people and I lived out my dreams.

But when I left my band, it's been sort of a process for me.

I was writing on my own and I was doing, you know, trying, experimenting with music.

Like, I needed a change.

I needed to feel inspired.

I needed to feel like I wasn't going to be doing the same exact.

Like, the girls in my band, Antigone Rising have literally been Antigone rising for, like, 40 years, like, for their whole lives.

And I'm not even trying to put them down.

I just don't know how they do that.

Like, I don't get that.

I have done 500,000 things before I was in that band and then after I left that band, just because I think of the kind of artist that I am.

I've always been an actor.

I've always been a writer.

I've always been interested in filmmaking.

I've always been a painter, and I make jewelry and I love gardening.

And for me, I just.

Wherever the inspiration is, I sort of go.

So I did the music for a while when I left the band and I wrote and I was successful with that.

I got very lucky.

I, you know, I got songs placed on some really big records and some into really big films, and a lot of that, you know, money still comes in.

It's just, you know, by nature of how the industry works, you get royalties and stuff, so.

But I was never one to, like, oh, I just got a huge song on a huge record.

I've got to do that again.

And I've got to do that again.

And I've got to do that again.

It's just.

It's not to say that I'm not ambitious.

I'm just not competitive in that way.

Like, I don't need people to be, like, she's so rich.

Like, for me to feel like I'm worthy to be on this planet, or for people to, like, look at me, like, with some kind of envy for the house I'm living in or the car I'm driving.

Like, I've never been that way.

So while I've really loved and enjoyed this success, and it's been beautiful and it's been a blessing and I'm so grateful, it hasn't necessarily been the motivation.

Right.

So what motivates me are the things that I find exciting, that I find interesting.

I did a podcast for a while with the people that you do this podcast with, with Adam.

And so.

And that was really fun and really exciting, and some of those episodes did really well.

But even that, it was just like, okay, now what?

So to go to your question, it's like the pandemic came, and for.

Particularly for my partner at the time, he had never been in a situation where suddenly he was being told he can't do what he wants to do.

Whereas my whole life has been about that.

Like, right.

Like, I.

I've always been either broke or, like, trying to figure it out or.

And then when I was successful, like, you know, I can live on a shoestring and I can adjust and I can be.

So for me, it was found time.

Like, I started a podcast.

I started, like, doing Ask Cassidy, not Ask Cassidy.

I did a happy hour with Cassidy where I was having some friends come on and we were doing interviews.

I did the True Crime podcast.

I wrote songs.

I made a record.

You know, for better or for worse, I made a record.

And it was really more just to keep me busy.

I like.

I like being creative, and I like being stimulated, and I like feeling challenged, and I like learning things.

So what I knew I didn't want to do was go back on the road.

I was really over that.

You know, Antigone really took it out of me, was 250 shows a year for years and years and years.

I gave up everything.

I didn't get married, I didn't have kids, which is all fine and choices that I made, but you get to a certain Age and you realize, you know, you've got no roots and you've just got no.

You've just got no direct.

You sort of rudderless, you know, and the only thing that you have is the music and the fame.

And I think that you're seeing this now when you.

We're getting such a microscope is really being put on the music business, especially right now, when you will see what people are willing to do to get next to fame or to get into, you know, to get an opportunity.

And I'm not blaming victims, don't misunderstand what I'm saying.

But you can sense when there's like a dangerous deal.

You know, when you're like, that doesn't feel safe, you know, like that party feels a little wild or that dude feels like he's like looking at me like I'm lunch, you know, or dinner or whatever.

It's worse for, for women too.

I mean, even with comedy.

I mean, I.

I always pride myself for the fact that, you know, I was raised by two women, my mom, my grandmother.

So I have the mentality of just treating women a little differently.

So when it came with comedy, the two people who really took me under their wing were women.

So for me, I always like to.

Whenever I produce a show or I book a show, I always have a female on the show.

And like, my host is one of my best friends in the world.

She's, you know, she's a great comic, but I hear stories.

I mean, just.

I mean, some horrible shit from.

Yeah, and I'm talking about low level.

I don't mean that in a bad way.

No, I know what you're saying.

It happens on all levels.

Yeah.

And a low level comedian booker, like, hey, listen, I'll give you this spot if you, you know, blow me next week.

Like, that's like literally.

It would literally like that.

You know, it's.

It's horrific.

And I can't imagine on another level, like, even on, you know, on the.

Oh, great.

The show was going great.

There was no laps, there was no.

I'm like, oh, maybe this jerk will be late.

You told me 8:30.

Hello.

15 minutes early.

Hello, Cassidy.

How are you?

Nice to see you.

Good to be seen.

How's my good friend Sean Morton?

So happy to see you.

As you can tell.

Thrilled to see.

Good.

They lost.

They lost.

Good for you.

You know what?

No, it bothers me, Cassidy.

Tell me.

I'm looking.

I open up my Facebook, I have to post shows, and the first thing that pops up is this dumb fucking picture.

Of Sean Morton.

He looks.

Yeah, I hate this.

I hate to say this.

He looked good in this picture.

He's wearing like, a black leather jacket, his hair.

You know where that was taken, Jeff.

He looks like a badass.

I know.

I know the.

I know the photo.

Yeah.

But in real life, he's a baby.

Yui, stop it.

It was the night.

It was the night that.

Of my taping with.

The night that you were.

You actually, and I hate saying this, were really good that night.

Well, thank you.

Yeah.

Like, you didn't.

Yeah.

Oh, God.

Like, that's supportive and it's painful for you to say it.

Yeah, it's really bad.

He's Genu.

Genuinely garbage.

But that night, like, it was a great.

It was a great litmus test for me to hear, like, the audience when I had Jeff on there, because normally if I.

You know, Jeff really opens for me a lot because I'm more of a headliner than he is.

So when.

When we go on the road and stuff like that, I.

I can judge.

I'm like, oh, if they're.

They're not growing, you know, they're not saying anything, then it's a normal jet.

Normal.

Right, right.

Normal.

Jeff said.

But they were like.

They were just screaming and hoot and hollering.

I'm like, well, they're in a good mood.

Don't you love.

It's not him.

It's definitely not him.

So the crowd was gonna be good for me.

So.

Yeah.

That's why I'm used to this, Cassidy.

I'm used to it.

This is like four and a half years of.

Of this nonsense with this guy.

You know, every time I think I have an exit plan, I.

It just doesn't come to fruition.

Sometimes.

Sometimes you gotta just believe in the fate and.

Yes.

You know, attention that works.

You know, it's like sometimes you gotta hate each other.

I was.

We were just talking about my former band, and I think what made it work was the fact that we hated each other.

You know, I really.

And nobody knew that I'm actually writing my book.

I was saying about it now, and I'm.

I'm going to be saying a lot of things that people didn't know.

Like people didn't know that we didn't get along.

But it made the music great.

And that band was Antigone Rising.

Yeah, that's right.

And so I don't know if Sean brought it up yet, but it was like when he told me that you were coming on the show, I thought you would be perfect.

To ask this about.

Did you catch the incident that happened with Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro from.

I did, and I had a moment about it because, you know, it's funny.

Yes.

And I have.

I have thoughts, if you're curious at all, what.

I think.

That's why we asked you.

Cassidy, don't make me come over there and pull your hair out.

Let's.

So first of all, I will start by saying that we were fans, of course.

Right.

Of who wasn't, because that was my generation.

It was James and Dixon, 90s, Pearl Jam and.

Right.

So that was.

That was my era.

I just.

I posted Eddie Better today, which I haven't done in years, but I was a huge fan.

And so, you know, that whole.

That whole time period, that whole, you know, and I was living in Los Angeles during that time period.

So, you know, so young, really.

I was living in New Jersey first, and we used to go to these great dance clubs, and we loved those bands, and we expected them to be sort of raucous and crazy, and we knew that they were doing drugs and he was writing songs about that.

So Perry Farrell was like a wild man.

What surprised me about it was that at his age, because he's in his 60s now, that he.

He looks great, though, doesn't he?

Looks amazing.

And they all do.

And Dave really looks amazing.

I mean, Dave looks like a kid.

He's aged so.

Well, he's not in his 60s, is he?

No.

Well, Dave's pro.

He's older than me.

I.

I would say he's older than me.

He's definitely in his 50s.

I would say mid-50s.

Is that his real hair?

I think he probably dyes it, but I.

But I don't.

I think It's.

Dave Navarro, 57 years old.

I know.

Look.

Look at the me and you have to deal with there, Sean.

Look at that.

Look at this.

Can you believe it?

Dave Navarro does look great.

They both do.

Look.

I know, right?

Sean's like, speak for yourself.

Speak for yourself.

What are you talking about?

Yeah.

So what I was going to say is when I saw it, it reminded me of my band.

It.

And I.

And I know.

And when I found out why it happened, it made even more sense, because really what it was was that Dave was playing too loud and it was driving Perry crazy.

And just something like that would set off a singer.

I think that you would be surprised, because here's what it is.

That's not the first.

I'm not speaking for him.

I'm just telling you.

This is what I.

This is what I think.

That's not the first time it happened.

It's not the second time.

It's not even the third time it happened.

It's something that keeps coming up.

It's something that he's continued to ask him to turn down, that he can't hear himself.

Now.

Here's Dave's point of view.

You're an old.

You can't hear.

Turn up your hearing aid.

I'm not that loud.

Stop being a diva.

Stand on your side of the stage.

So in other words, they're both right.

I'm not even trying to say Perry's right, Dave's wrong, or Dave's right, Perry's wrong.

But this is something they've already clashed about.

This is something that's already gone on on stage, between them, in rehearsal and everything.

Turn your guitar down.

Turn your guitar.

I can't hear myself.

I can now.

If you were to ask me what my instinct is.

My instincts just based on quasi knowing Dave, I've met him a handful of times.

Knowing a little bit about his background and knowing enough about Perry.

Perry's the diva.

Perry's the pain in the ass.

Perry is the one that's a little great talent.

You know, I'm sure a good hang when he wants me.

But I think he's touched and I think that he can't roll with it.

I think he needs what he needs in order for it to be like, you know, for him to do this thing.

And if it's not like, you know, if the air isn't like blowing in the direction he needs it to blow, he can't do a good show.

That's the sense that I get.

I could be wrong, but that's what I'm sensing.

No, I don't think you're wrong.

And the reason why.

Hold on a second, Sean.

I just, you know, just might get this thought out because he was in a band called Porno for Pyros.

Yeah.

And his ex bandmates came out and basically said the same thing you just said.

Did they?

See, I didn't know that.

That was just my instinct.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

I'll tell you one thing that.

And people think that I'm a dick when I say this because I.

I'm just trying to speak the truth here.

Truth to power nowadays.

Now, me and Cassidy are from.

Are from the same age group.

Okay.

When we were growing up, we did not hear of the.

Of the word autism.

We had no autistic kids in.

In our generation.

Now it's very big, but now, what you're seeing now is people that are our generation and a little bit older acting a little up.

And I'm just starting to think to myself, are these people just undiagnosed on the spectrum?

Right.

Not good in social situations.

Listen, bands in general were outcasts.

A lot of us are like these mismatched people with, you know, quirks and couldn't really hold a corporate job down, wouldn't have, you know, managed very well in polite society.

And we're all thrown into these creative projects together.

And the fact that any of them work, the fact that any of those bands or those groups or those.

That they don't all kill each other every single time, I feel like, is a miracle.

So when you see that it works, you know, it's amazing.

But you know that it's tough.

You've got all these very strange personalities together trying to create music.

And everybody needs their listen.

I was so.

By the time I got off the road, it was, like, so hard because you're just.

You can't control your environment at all.

You're in a different place every single night.

And it's just so unsettling and so traumatizing.

You're constantly being uprooted.

So you start to try to control the minutia, the things that you feel like you can.

And that'll be your bandmates or that'll be the people that work for you, or that'll be, you know, the venue and the drink that they made you or the food that they made you.

You become really picky you and like they say in New Jersey, and real picky you and about the stupid little ship because the macro, you can't control.

You're totally out of control on a constant basis.

And you become really kind of horrible to be around because of it, you know, but it's common, you know, do you stay away.

Do you stay away from the bandmates until the show?

And if you do, you know, how do you do it?

And then the other thing is, does it kind of then take away from the creative process?

Because I was listening to a story about how the song Paradise City came about.

And it came about, like, when the band was just, like.

They didn't have the first album out yet, obviously, and they were just like a band that was driving around in a van and, you know, the camaraderie, and they all kind of had, like, acoustic guitars while someone was driving.

And they came up and they started playing Paradise City.

And, you know, the chorus was supposed to be where the girls are Fat and they had big titties.

Okay, that was.

That was.

That.

That was.

That was, I think, Slash's input.

And, like, you know, I think Axel kind of over.

Over overruled it and get it on the radio.

But it was just supposed to be just like a fun song.

So, you know, to get to your point about, like, you know, okay, everyone gets on each other's nerves and, like, you know, you try to control.

Do you stay away?

And if you do, does it eventually wind up hurting the band?

Yeah.

So it's a good question.

So I'll give you an example.

Aerosmith came in on separate buses.

They came in on separate buses.

Allman Brothers came in on separate buses.

I don't know that the Allmans didn't get along.

I think it was mostly because at that point Greg was sober and he.

He had a dry tour and it was very important that he sort of have what he need when he would come in.

And he was.

They were all great, but, like Aerosmith, you definitely.

The way that we understood it, they were on separate buses because they weren't talking to each other.

Right.

Van Halen did that too in the 90s.

And the band was basically broken up into two camps.

I just got finished reading Sammy's biography, and he says exactly that.

There was the Van Halen bus and then there was the Michael, Anthony and Sammy bus.

100%.

And when you've got that kind of money, right, it's like.

It's like Joe's coming in on one and Stephen's coming in on one, and they're all coming on a different buses.

They're lovely to us individually, there's no drama.

You don't see.

See fighting.

There's none of that.

But clearly, this is what.

I think it hurt us in that ultimately we couldn't work together anymore and we just couldn't.

We just couldn't agree.

We couldn't get along.

There was too much.

I mean, and listen, there's their side, there's my side.

You know, everybody has an individual story about what went on there.

And everybody, you know, will or won't tell their story in due time.

But, you know, at the end of the day, does it hurt, the music?

Yeah, it really can.

But I've always been very kind of, well, impressed, I guess, or just.

I've marveled at bands who can continue to write records together even though they clearly don't get along.

So when a band.

You see a band like Aerosmith stay together, how do they stay together when they don't get along.

They don't talk to each other.

It just.

Do you think it's the money that kind of, like, keeps them together?

I do.

And I think, listen, had I stayed in Antigone, we'd still, you know, they kept doing it and frankly, they've never been as good.

And I'm not just saying that.

It's just.

It's just the truth.

I mean, we had chemistry.

We had an alchemy that made that band work.

Had we been able to, like, look past all of that and make it about the band, there probably would have continued to be money in it for all of us.

I definitely know that once you are.

So once you're the Stones or your Aerosmith, you're not really playing the new stuff, right?

You're going out there for the old.

For the old rag doll and the old music they want to hear, you know, Dream on.

They want to hear.

So if you don't have to write music and you don't have to make records, you're just coming from, like, five different locations.

You're going to play the hits on stage and you're going to collect, you know, your.

Your 500 grand a night or 300 grand a night or whatever it is you're making, and you're going to go to the next city.

Sure, right.

Why not?

Like, if that was the deal for me, if I was offered something like that, I would do it.

But in terms of being able to make new albums and really reinvent yourself when you don't get along, like, I don't know.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't see how they do that.

I have no idea.

We.

We certainly couldn't.

We couldn't even agree.

What do you think of a band like, who is still pretty on top of their game in the hard rock field?

They announced that they're done.

They're done recording.

They're never going to record another song ever again.

But they're going to do greatest hits tours every single year.

I think, probably.

And I get it.

I think in a lot of ways they're doing that because they know people aren't buying the new music.

They don't care about it.

They've.

They realize that they've built something that's enough to fill stadiums or to fill theaters or whatever it is that they're doing and to make money and to tour, but they want the old music they have.

They're not in a position where they can still make new music and people are going to give a.

About the new Music, Some of that is, God, smack.

And some of that's just the industry and the way that the industry has changed.

People are not interested in albums anymore in the way that they were, right?

They want hit songs.

They want what's the latest.

I mean, look, music sucks.

I mean, it sucks.

And these are all fabricated, you know, entities.

These stars are fabricated stars.

They're actors.

They're not even really that talented.

So real talent, even is at a premium.

I mean, you don't even have it anymore.

So nowadays it's about packaging.

It's about what's the latest?

What can the record label make the most money off of one song or two songs or, you know, and then we'll.

We'll.

We'll move you into this area and we'll have you do a big performance and we'll create controversy in your life, and that'll generate more money.

And there's only a few artists that are really writing new music on a constant basis.

But a band like Ajmak, it's like Matchbox 20 is another example, right?

How many new albums are they really selling?

At the end of the day, though, they can still tour and they can still play whatever they're playing.

Whether it's arena, I don't know exactly.

Kind of.

They're playing.

They're playing arenas?

Yeah, they just play Prudential.

It does not surprise me.

So they're in arenas, but he's playing.

3Am they're playing 3am they're playing Ben Jordan, you want to hear my impression of Mick Jagger doing what Cassie was just talking about?

I.

I would very much like, okay.

We'Re gonna do something off of Rickety Diamonds.

And now the whole audience starts to go to the bathroom.

Exactly.

Exactly.

As a matter of fact, when we toured with Aerosmith, I almost think it was one of the last times that they were able to do, like, a new album with new music.

It was called When Was that Pumpkin on Bobo.

Oh, was that the last.

That was the blues album.

Remember?

The blues album?

Yeah.

Second to last.

We did that tour.

We did that tour with them and.

And, yeah, you know, I mean, but they.

Of course, they played all the old stuff too.

Of course.

You have to.

Right?

And.

And to.

And to be fair, the album was not terrible.

It really wasn't.

It wasn't a bad album.

It really wasn't a bad album, but it's just not what we want.

I don't want to hear the new stuff.

If you're gonna leave off Mama Ken.

That'S what I want.

That's what I want.

I want Same old story.

Oh, great song and dance.

But instead they're gonna do, like, the third cut off of the new album.

Yeah, and nobody wants that.

Nobody knows that.

Even the Almonds, when we went out with them, they.

They did.

What was the name of that album with, like, Desdemona and the High Cost of Low Living.

That was the album.

That was a great album.

And that was an Allman Brothers album.

Was that with All Brothers?

That was the tour we went on.

And that band was Otill, Burberry, Derek Trucks, the guy from Government Mule, Warren.

Haynes, all great musicians.

Greg Allman.

I mean, it was like that band was sick.

And they were coming out and sitting.

Was Dicky Betts in the band?

Dicky was gone by then.

Dead by then, I believe.

Yeah.

Yeah, he had passed away, I think.

What do you think of what do you think now that you've seen their whole career?

How do you feel about Oasis?

Sean, you're reading my mind.

Think.

Do you think it's a love of the music or do you think Liam and no are like, well, one tour and we're set for the rest of our lives, bro.

They are so cynical.

I don't think anything that they do is about the love of the music.

That said, I think they love the music, right?

And I think that they are purists, and I think that they're very incredibly talented.

It's funny about them because.

And, you know, I don't know what the.

I'll just say it.

I don't love how nasty they are about everything and everyone.

I just don't think it's necessary.

It kind of bugs me.

It turns me off about them.

Like, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I certainly don't think that you have to be nice if you don't like a band or a song or if you're not into it.

Like, tell the truth.

Okay, cool.

Like, I can get behind that, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of nasty for nasty's sake.

And it's become his shtick, particularly Noel.

And I personally don't dig it.

Like, I just every time I want to watch him because I'm so curious, because I think he's brilliant and I think that he's written some really beautiful music.

And I really agree with him when he talks about how shite, you know, the landscape is now.

But, like, he's just got to be so mean.

And it.

It just.

It's like, I don't want to listen to it.

Like, why are you such a dick?

Like, don't be such a dick.

Well, a lot of people are the same way with like, you know, bands like Springsteen or Rage against the Machine.

Like, they used to love them, but, you know, since they're talking about their political views on stage all the time.

Or Roger Water.

Yeah.

Like a lot of my, my right wing friends won't go see them even though they have, you know, spent their whole lives listening to him and loving them.

You gotta separate the politics and the music.

Yeah, I agree with.

Me too.

I don't love it.

I don't, I don't.

Well, first of all, there's something really suspicious about the fact that everybody who's famous pretty much is on the government side.

I mean, when did that happen?

When did it happen that rock and roll artists are now supporting and defending.

The government to the machine?

It's right.

Exactly, Dar.

Like, that's not punk rock, dude.

That's not punk rock.

It's not agree with every single thing that the government and that mainstream media is saying to you.

What's going on here?

That's not the rock and roll I grew up on.

And listen, I would be lying if I said that didn't play a part in why I walked away.

Not so much because I'm like, oh, I'm so right wing and everybody's going to hate me if they find that out about me.

It's not necessarily that.

It's the fact that I don't feel like I can say what the fuck I want to say and be considered punk rock and cool and obvious.

Because it's going to be controversial what I say because I'm in a rock band.

Like, the reason why you should love Noah Gallagher, because he doesn't give a fuck.

And I do when he's right.

But I think sometimes he does it just to be nasty.

Like you can almost see it on his face.

Like he thinks people expect it from him.

So he says things that are, you know, the British have a saying, they'll go, any need, you know, Any need.

Meaning, like, was there any need for that?

Sometimes I feel like that with him.

Like that.

It's almost like he tries too hard to be a dick and it's not necessary.

If it makes sense and if like it was warranted, then, okay, cool, I'm with.

No, I, I have a co host.

Exactly like that.

So I, I understand.

No, I understand what, what Liam is going through.

I'm the Liam of the group, by the way.

Not my friend.

Not my friend Sean, who's always so sweet to me.

There's a big, there's a big difference.

Well, to you.

Yeah.

Not to this piece of.

You see, here's another.

So here's another thing, Jeff.

I don't know if, you know, I'm.

Gonna talk with my hands behind my back, like, Liam, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

So cool.

Like this.

I'm just, I'm spinning my chair.

You know how, like, we, me and you will send things back and forth to each other, like on Instagram or whatever.

And usually it's about like, you know, hey, if you open this, you're gay.

Know, because that's.

I, I, I sent them that to him by.

So, like, you know, you have certain friends.

Like, you have certain friends for certain things.

Like, I have one friend, she's a great comic.

Jess Seger.

She, all day long, we either text or message pictures about our dogs.

It's all about pit bulls.

Whatever.

That's all we do.

Then you have your one friend who's always going to send you the, like the, the, you know, the big ass Brazilian girl pictures and all that stuff.

Whatever.

Then you have the friends that you can send the, the bad to, like the up, you know, and then like, you know, and I'd send some music stuff to Cassie.

Can you, can you give more examples, Sean?

Who are you?

I stay.

All right, hold on.

So, you know, I didn't, you know, if I sent like a song to my friend.

Oh, my God, this is a great song.

That relationship has now blossomed to where she, she now is the up friend who sends me.

So, like, you know, you expect like, oh, here's a video of somebody playing volleyball and they're holding up like an amputee and hitting the ball with that, right?

Oh, wow.

Why did Anthony send me that?

I'm like, oh, no, Cassidy sent that to me.

That's.

We went to that, we went to.

That next level now graduated to the next level.

And there aren't that many people that I can show that.

My sister one, but my sense of humor, too.

Like that.

I have one of my sisters.

She and I go back and forth with some pretty sick shit.

But to me, there's a very specific kind of sense of humor that I have, and not everybody has it.

And I think maybe also being in the public eye, you learn to, like, curb some of that.

You want to be careful.

You don't want to offend.

You don't want people to be disappointed in the things that you find funny.

So it was kind of, I just thought, I forget what it was or what was the impetus.

But you sent me something or I sent you something, like as a test, I think, just to see, like, will she laugh?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No.

So today, Today's putting the toe in.

The water kind of thing.

Oh, it's great.

So now it's just, it's just pure.

It's always like midgets or people falling.

It's fantastic.

This is the question I wanted to bring to your attention, Jeff.

I already said this to Cassidy before.

She sent me a.

A video today of Steve Perry doing Open Arms.

Was it Open Arms, I believe?

Yeah, it was open.

You know how they do those audio where they, they pull the audio out of the isolated vocal track, isolate the vocal.

I sent him that because it was.

I think it was Open Arms.

I believe it was mind blowing.

So my question.

Oh, so it's your.

It's your original.

It's not, it's not him.

It's from the late 70s.

Because the David Lee Roth one singing Running with the Devil with no music is hysterical.

A little.

Well, any.

Anything Axel's done in the last 18 months too, is pretty atrocious too.

But seriously, he looks like my Aunt Mina.

He does look like a grandma.

He does.

He looks, he looks like Tranma.

So, Jeff, the qu.

I said to Cassidy, I think it's no question anybody will argue the fact that Freddie Mercury is the greatest rock singer of all time.

He's in, he's in the conversation, that's for sure.

I.

I think, I think you have to say he's the number one.

Would you say Steve Perry is number two?

No.

As far as male rock singer?

No.

What do you go ahead of him?

Robert Plant, heyday.

I mean, you know, the first four albums even into.

Into Houses of the Holy.

So I probably on Physical Graffiti.

So, I mean, Plant was insane, I think.

I mean, you know where I'm going to go with this?

I think there are a couple of guys.

I'm going to go Dickerson, Maiden, I think Jeff Tate, Queens, Reich, I think Dio.

And if I'm going to go kind of bluesy, I love Paul Rogers.

And the reason why I say that is because when you see the replacement, Steven, Steve, Al, Jerry, you see here, Dean Castro Novo, and of course, Arnel Pinata, it seems like anyone can do Journey.

I mean, it's great.

I mean, Steve Perry saved that band.

They were about to get dropped from the label and then.

And then.

Right.

He's a crooner.

It's.

He's a crooner.

He is a crooner, right?

Yeah, but, I mean, he's a great singer.

He's.

He's there.

But is he number two all time?

No, because again, I'll go.

I'll say his name again.

Paul Rogers, who is not in the rocker hall of.

Hall of fame, which is a sin.

You know, when you look at what he did with Free Bad Company and even his.

A little bit of time in Queen, he's phenomenal.

And what about Roger Daltrey?

What do you think about Chris Cornell?

Great singer.

Great singer.

Very, very underrated.

I don't think he has the range of the guys I just mentioned, but for what he does, he's.

He's great at what he does.

Yeah.

I think you need to listen to an isolated vocal track of Chris Cornell, then rethink what you just said, because.

Do you think.

Do you think his range was pretty amazing?

But I also.

Do you think he could sing like.

Like Dio?

Like, he could do.

He could do it.

He could do a song like Straight through the Heart.

Listen, there's some.

There's some people that are just generational talents.

You know what I mean?

That's like.

That's like a D O and a Freddie Mercury and stuff like that.

But as far as Chris Cornell, I think he got not a bad rap, but I think he gets looked over a lot because they were harder rock band.

But when you listen to his solo stuff, man, that guy's voice was just.

He's got a great voice.

I mean, he.

Without a doubt.

But.

But I'm listen.

I mean, music is like comedy, like anything.

You know, there's so much.

And there's different genres that you like.

It's objective.

Okay.

I mean, I like.

I like the guys who could sing high and hit that note.

I love, like, when you listen to a guy like Jeff Tate and when you hear him hit that, go to extra octave, too, and a song like Take hold of the Flame and he does that extra.

That extra thing.

I mean, a handful of people on the planet could do that.

That's it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Perry was amazing.

I mean, I get.

I moved by him, right, In a way that I.

I think every.

A lot of people are.

Most people.

Chris Cornell, you're talking about?

No, Steve Perry.

Okay.

Just moved by him.

Moved by his voice and the way that he sang and the melodies.

But I was also sort of a melodic songwriter, even though we were rock.

So for me, I think that's why I was drawn to him, because he was.

It was about.

It was about the melodies and it was these beautiful, beautiful, singable melodies for, you know, a crooner.

He was a.

He was a crooner in a lot of ways.

I was too, like a crooner.

I was a rock singer and my voice became more rock and roll.

But before I was in the band, and then again after the band, my.

My voice became more kind of croony, I guess, if that's an expression.

I worked with him.

He.

When I left the band, I made a solo album, and I went up to Capitol Records in Los Angeles to have it mixed by a guy named Nico.

And Nico knew Steve.

And Steve would come in and out of the studio, would come in and out of the building, we'd hang out.

And I wasn't there one day, and he was mixing my record, and Steve had gone there to visit him and wanted to know who I was and was, I guess, like, the music, really enjoyed it to the point where he asked to come the next time that I was going to be there.

So I didn't know he was going to be there.

And I walked into the studio and Nico said, there's somebody.

There's somebody here that wants to meet you.

And I said, oh, cool.

I'm thinking, like, his daughter or like, I didn't know somebody, you know, I didn't know.

Steve Perry shows up and, like, is standing in the middle of the room.

And I was like, oh, my.

I was like, you taught me how to sing.

I didn't know what to say.

Like, you taught me how to sing.

And he goes, no wonder you sound so good.

Which was hilarious.

Then he hugged me, and then he asked to sing on the record.

So my sang on your record.

So Follow the Freedom.

I have a song called Follow the Freedom.

And he's singing on that record with me.

Wow.

He loved it.

And he wanted.

Yeah.

And he had said to me, I want you to write songs for my.

Because he hadn't made an album.

He's made one since.

I'm bummed because at that time, he hadn't done it yet.

And he asked me to write for it.

And I said that.

I mean, I said, no, I'm busy.

I can't write for it.

No.

I was like, please call me.

And he didn't.

And.

And I don't know why, and I don't know what happened.

And it's okay, obviously.

But I really wanted to write songs for him.

I just thought that would have been amazing.

And I heard.

I heard a record came out.

I haven't heard it, so I'm glad To hear.

It's good.

That's.

That's good.

I would say a good six, seven years ago, I would think.

Right?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, because that would have been when I did Follow the Freedom.

Yeah.

Follow the Freedom was probably.

I would have met him.

14.

Okay.

Yes.

What do you think about the new singer in Linkin Park?

That's interesting.

I'm not impressed.

I don't.

I'm not that impressed.

I know that that's probably very unpopular thing to say.

I think that she's average.

I also am not impressed by the fact that she defended Danny Masterson.

I think that that's disgusting.

She's a Scientologist.

And, you know, you can be whatever you want to be in this world, but what you don't get to be is, like, somebody standing in the lobby of a courtroom with women who are talking about their essays and screaming at them with a group of people to try to harass them and keep them from pressing charges.

Ew.

Like, I'm sorry.

You're.

I didn't know that about her.

Yeah.

Like, what kind of.

It came out, like, I think a day or two after they made the.

Announcement, there was a big uproar about it.

Her.

His son.

I hate to hear like that.

I know.

I really do.

What's his name, the former lead singer?

I'm blanking.

I know his name.

Chester Benton.

Chester.

Chester's son came out and actually spoke about it.

He was quite unhappy with it, and I agree.

I listen.

I don't have any problems.

She's Scientologist, you know, to each his own.

What do I think of Scientology?

I mean, that's a conversation for another day.

But if you want to be.

I don't care what you want to be.

You can be what you want to be, but these women were assaulted by.

And it was proven to be so.

So I don't have to say allegedly anymore.

He's a rapist.

He's in prison doing time.

And these women came forward, and it's really difficult to do that, you know, to face your rapist in court and a bunch of Scientologists with her included.

In the very beginning and at the hearings, at the early hearings, she was there in, like, solidarity to support Danny Masterson.

And I just like.

But then how do you feel about Sean, who's a big fan of Diddy?

Well, Sean and I have a lot to talk about when it comes.

He loves Diddy as much as he loves Diddy, he's really not into baby oil, so I think that he's changed his mind.

A lot of baby oil.

This guy.

This guy is going, I.

I can't wait to see how this really turns out.

Because I think it's either gonna go one of two directions.

I think a lot of people are going to pay a tremendous amount of money to keep their names sealed.

He has to pay a price, though.

I think.

He's not.

He ain't gonna see trial.

You think he's gonna see trial?

You're out of your mind.

What do you think happened about it?

Because here's the thing about this.

Two things.

One, we know what happened with Epstein, and we know that the names never came out.

And we know why they've never come out.

Right?

They're why he committed suicide.

Well, he committed suicide.

But here's what's interesting.

Okay?

But Elaine Maxwell went to prison for basically procuring these women.

Yeah.

Drug trafficking.

Okay, but to whom?

Trafficking to whom?

Who were the men?

We've never heard.

I think one may have been a former president of the United States.

So here's the other thing.

So when you get to.

Now, Diddy, you've got this amazing busby, this lawyer who's come out now, and he's going to represent all of these women.

And it sounds like, because he's not in the back pocket of the government, that he might name names.

But here's what we know.

If everybody pays off these girls, these names are never going to come out.

So all of the people that were complicit, all of the people that were involved, it wasn't just Diddy.

It was all.

Someone has to have a shred of dignity.

Someone has that.

Someone has that.

Someone please come forward and talk about who these people were.

This is what I want to know.

Can somebody just say, you know what?

The money's not worth it?

I'm gonna tell.

Exactly.

I'm gonna tell because it's.

It's happening.

That happened with Vincent from the wwe.

You know, he.

He wound up stepping down, and he wound up having this major, major, major lawsuit.

This girl filed charges against him, and she had an NDA, and she broke the NDA and she is.

She named names.

He's also, like, in about his 80s right now, so it really, you know, he.

He has really not much to lose by stepping down.

And you know what's interesting to you say that about being in his 80s.

There's something almost sad about attacking someone in their 8.

Like you.

Like you See, even Weinstein, like, on his, like, you know, cane or like Cosby's, like, blind, you know what I mean?

And.

And all these people are going to be 100 years old before they go to prison.

There's something sort of pathetic about it at that point.

Like, there's no satisfaction because you're.

You're a decent human being.

You have compassion for anybody.

Of course, you feel that I'm the worst.

And the whole thing is.

It's a shame because the whole thing could be avoidable.

And why couldn't Diddy be like a decent human being?

And.

But he fucked people over, you know, even before he became super famous, when he, you know.

I don't know if you guys remember, there was an incident where people got trampled.

I think someone died.

Right.

Promoted a show at City College.

That's right.

That's right.

And then the woman got shot in the nightclub.

And he made somebody else take the fall for that.

Exactly.

Went to prison for that.

That's right.

Listen, there are many schools of thought about this.

I was at Atlantic Records.

So you hear.

You're hearing a lot of names being thrown around right now, Right?

And they're not as commonly thrown around in the beginning, but if you're watching and you're paying attention, names like Leor Cohen are being thrown around.

Lior was president of my label after about this, like, the second half.

So the first half it was Jason Flom.

And then when Jason left, Leor Cohen.

Came in and Jason Farm was a huge A R guy.

He signed me.

That's who signed me.

So, I mean, he, he.

Sean, I don't know if you know this guy, but like in the 80s, this was the guy who signed, like, everyone that came out of California.

Not just the 80s, it was the 90s and like early aughts.

He also.

He also was very prominent in helping Twist his sister produce that second album.

That's right.

Tell me those stories.

So Jason signed me.

Jason's response for any, you know, listen, let's put it this way.

We could have signed with anybody we wanted to at that time.

It was a bidding war.

We signed with Jason because he promised.

Us he was the guy back then the most.

And he was the guy back then.

And he became a very dear friend.

Unfortunately, he.

He ended up being not.

He just.

He was disappointing in the end.

And anybody that's worked with Jason will tell you that I'm sorry.

Jason is all hat and no cattle.

He had a lot of power.

Don't get me wrong.

That's real but he was full of shit.

And he acted like he cared about people that he didn't really care about.

So, you know, I'm appreciative of what he did.

But he didn't fought, he had no follow through and he had no loyalty.

And he's sort of a welcome to show business.

He's a worm.

He's a fucking worm.

So whatever.

I never got dropped from my record label.

I left my record label.

I didn't want to be signed anymore.

I was done.

It's a very rare story.

Most people get dropped.

I did not get dropped.

But when Lior and all those guys came in, Lior was the head of Def Jam.

He's going to.

His name is being mentioned a lot, these guys.

Lior worked for Mossad, he was an Israeli soldier.

There are a lot of government ties with a lot of these executives.

And I'm not trying to say that I know anything that I don't know.

And I'm not making any claims that.

I can't back name names.

I really can't at the moment.

What I will say is this.

There is a lot of talk about the fact that Diddy was very similar to Epstein in that he was in a position to trap people and tape people and put them in compromising positions.

100%.

100%.

Because here's what we have to.

That's an.

That's an excellent comparison.

Right?

So here's what we have to understand.

The reason that.

We'll go back to my earlier statement, the reason that so many people in mainstream music, film, all of these rock stars, are all defending the government and are all, you know, they literally all believe the exact same thing, which why does nobody find that odd?

These are mouthpieces for the agenda.

Right, Whatever the agenda is.

So in order for you to further the agenda, we need to know that you're controllable.

We can't give you a ton of power where hundreds of millions of people are going to listen to every single word you say, unless we know that you're going to say what we want you to say.

We need to know that we can control what you say or else you're going to have too much power.

So what they started to do is over the years, they started to manipulate and control who's going to be famous and who's not.

And they do that by figuring out who's going to play ball.

Travis Kelsey and what the hell is her name?

Taylor Swift.

Thank you.

How can you forget?

Because I don't care about her.

But the the couple, suddenly, he's, he's, he's, he's promoting the vaccine.

I mean, do you think that that's a coincidence?

Like that?

It's not a coincidence, no.

He's, he's a sellout.

They are shills and he already had.

Money, so why did he have to sell out?

Because they are being, they're, they're, they're planted, right?

They're infiltrators.

They are supposed to be influencing the proletariat, they're influencing the masses.

So they get these people and they say, listen, we're going to let you be huge famous.

We're going to let you make billions of dollars.

We're going to let you be the biggest thing since sliced bread.

But you must further our agenda.

And here's what we're going to do.

We're going to put you guys together and we're going to fabricate this relationship and you're going to push the vaccine and you're going to.

Do you think it's a fake relationship?

Cassette 100.

As a matter of fact.

Did you hear about this?

The, the publicist, There was a, there was a one sheet that came out from a publicist literally discussing their relationship and how it was going to go, the timeline of it.

I did not hear anything like that.

Yeah, like a month ago that came out.

It surprised me not.

But at the end of the day.

That'S a really elaborate scheme and I don't get what the payoff would be.

It's more about controlling people.

It's less about the, like, you almost have to think more macro.

We would be too overwhelming as a population.