The JudgeMental Podcast – Episode 39: "Society Loses"

In this episode of The JudgeMental Podcast, hosts Hugh and Christine—two lawyers on a mission to bring transparency and accountability to the courts—dive into one of the wildest days in family court. They break down the drama surrounding a high-profile recusal motion, the culture of courtroom banter, and the sometimes shocking realities of judicial conduct.

Key topics include:

A behind-the-scenes look at the denial of a recusal motion in Shelly Sentry’s courtroom

The impact of judges appearing remotely and how it affects courtroom dynamics

The “good old boy” culture and its effect on public trust in the legal system

The role of guardians ad litem and the ethical dilemmas they face

The importance of zealous advocacy and the challenges attorneys encounter when pushing for judicial accountability

Reflections on how courtroom behavior shapes perceptions of fairness and justice

Hugh and Christine share candid critiques, personal stories, and sharp insights—always with unshakable honesty. Whether you’re a legal professional or just fascinated by the inner workings of the justice system, this episode offers a compelling, unfiltered perspective.

Mentioned in this episode:

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Christine (2): Welcome to

the Judgmental podcast.

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We were there for the denial

of the recusal motion in

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Shelly Sentry's courtroom.

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Can you imagine a scenario

in which I'm ever wrong?

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No, because it's not

happened on this podcast.

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Hugh: My lord,

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Christine: I win.

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Hugh: About her not recusing and about.

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Yeah, I know.

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But to be, to be fair to me,

I, I picked the opposite side.

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Christine: And let me be clear.

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I win.

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Society loses like every

single bet we've had.

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That is true.

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I want be wrong.

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That is true.

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Hugh: No, that is absolutely true.

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And I thought, I mean,

you're more cynical than me.

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Is that possible?

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It's a little scary.

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Christine: It is.

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And yesterday, well I texted you Sunday

and I was like, I have the Sunday scaries.

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And I haven't had those

in a minute and a half.

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Like I did not.

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I just had a feeling.

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And y'all, yesterday in family

court was truly one of the

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craziest days of my career.

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Hugh: It was, it was particularly crazy.

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I mean, I went to see one thing and then.

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Other things happened that we will

talk about on a later episode,

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but, you know, it was interesting.

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You Yeah.

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You, you definitely were

feeling that Sunday and I had

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absolutely no feeling whatsoever.

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Unknown: Yeah.

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It wasn't

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Hugh: like I didn't miss anything.

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There wasn't nostalgia.

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I didn't dread going in there.

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I didn't have those old feelings like.

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Before you're in a big trial where your

stomach's, you know, has butterflies.

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Yeah.

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It was just, this is a place I needed

to be and I was watching something.

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It, it felt very I felt very neutral.

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It was strange.

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Christine: I have an addiction to.

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Two things.

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Sparkly water and

electronic communication.

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And I have two phones and a Mac and I

am petrified that one of them are not

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gonna be on like silent and they're

gonna go off, or I'm gonna be doing

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something and the, the court is so mad

at me, they're gonna throw me in jail.

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So I always like check my devices

like three times before I go in there.

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And so

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Hugh: just getting out and

looking at it constantly.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And it's just like, well,

I try to kinda live update,

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Hugh: oh yeah, I agree.

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Christine: Which we can't,

they won't let us have 'em.

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Oh, I missed those days when you

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Hugh: would just get the

whole, actually, I don't.

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I don't miss it for, you know, when

I needed to find one thing and I had

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to go digging through all the crap.

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Mm-hmm.

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Know, it, it was not, it was not in

division two, judge RYS court, but in a

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later division when I was sitting there

and each case I was taking notes, just

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thinking, oh God, you can't do that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, there's something we can talk about.

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And then the next one would happen.

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Then the next one would happen.

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Then shit got crazy and really crazy.

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It would be, it would be really

something for us to be able to play

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all of those things back to back to

the back in the way that we saw them

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Christine: in real time.

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Yeah.

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But

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Hugh: yeah, alas.

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Christine: They know if the public

saw what happened, I mean, and I,

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y'all gotta think about it like this.

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So there are 10 motion

hours that are happening.

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If the public even saw one of them that

was randomly chosen, they would be very

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concerned, would be an understatement.

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Do

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Hugh: you know what I'm saying?

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And you know that that might

be an interesting reform.

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Yeah.

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Just to have a motion hour picked.

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Each week, just one.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it's at random and the judges don't

know who it's going to be, so that

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you might think that somebody is going

to see how you act at motion hour.

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And of course, that doesn't apply

to everybody who holds motion hour.

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Like we didn't even go to some

because we generally are bored

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when we're sitting in there.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's certainly specific ones that are

routinely, well, I'll put it this way.

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There are ones where we can guarantee

we will find some content if we

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go and we almost never sit through

the entire motion hour even.

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Christine: Yep.

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Hugh: Like we're leaving before it's over.

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Christine: And like, before we get

into Shelly, double down again, I win.

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First off, it was weird.

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She was remote.

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I

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Hugh: think she wasn't

feeling well, but I don't

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Christine: Personally, and this is

my personal opinion, I do not like

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judges not being in the courtroom.

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I think if anybody needs to be in

the courtroom, it needs to be judges.

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But I'm open to, you know, I

guess if you got a communicable

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disease or, you know, whatever.

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Well,

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Hugh: take the opposite

side because I agree.

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I think shocker, the judges should

be there, but, if there is the choice

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between I'm off, I'm not gonna have

motion hour, and everything gets rolled

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to the next week and gets piled up,

or I'm not feeling well and I'm not

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coming in and getting my staff sick.

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So if my only choice is to not conduct

the motion hour, but I can actually do

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it remotely and move some cases forward,

I, I appreciate the effort to do that.

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Christine: It was one of those, I think

I said to you, if the general public

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saw this, they would be mortified

because it was like good old boy club.

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Like Yeah.

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Stupid little jokes.

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Hugh: So we saw, we saw things in

different divisions that that, that

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I think the general public would be

appalled by for very different reasons.

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Mm-hmm.

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One was just.

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Bizarre unhinged conduct and the other

was so over the top, laid back, casual,

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polite, and the, that's intentional,

but that it just, I don't know.

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I think, I know that it rubs

both of us the wrong way.

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Yep.

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It may not rub everyone else the

wrong way, but this, I mean, the

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demeanor and the way that things

are handled, if you're coming in.

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And you are pro se and you see attorneys

being treated the way that they are.

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It just feeds right into, oh,

everybody's just all part of one system.

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Everybody's in on it together,

and I understand wanting to

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not make it a nasty, you know?

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Yeah.

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Not make family law

any nastier than it is.

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Everyone is in that court

because something's going

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on in their personal life.

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That sucks.

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Unknown: Yep.

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Hugh: Nobody is there unless you

are getting a hearing date on an

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adoption or something like that.

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It is very rare you're in there on

anything that you're happy about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I get that you're treating everybody.

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You're trying to not be

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Christine: fake af.

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Hugh: Yeah, just the whole, everybody,

you know, I'm just blah, blah, blah, blah.

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It is just like this.

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It's still court.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's still court.

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It needs to be.

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A court of law, it needs

to be, you know, I, I don't

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Christine: know.

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And it was almost like, to some

degree, I think, this is my personal

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opinion, I think it was Judge Ry

rubbing in the fact like, is one

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big club and I'm now the queen.

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And y'all, I mean, when I tell you

she was not the queen before, she

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was really, really likable and good

attorney, which doesn't make you

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popular in the G-A-L-F-O-C-B-F-F

with judge thing, you know?

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I mean, she, in my opinion,

she was cool as shit like,

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Hugh: yeah, yeah.

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No, no, I, I.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and

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Christine: now it's like I'm a

queen of like mean girls, but it was

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embarrassing as a female watching it.

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It was for the sake.

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It's like that kid in high school

or school that's like ask a question

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for the sake of asking a question.

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Oh yeah.

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Those people make me want to punch a Pumpy

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Hugh: puppy.

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You.

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Yeah.

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And everybody knows who those people are.

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Yes.

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Just like you did.

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Christine: School.

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Yeah.

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It's pitiful.

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It's pathetic.

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Well, yeah.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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We

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Hugh: used, we used to

have a game in law school.

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We called it tort Bingo, but we had this

teacher that everyone kissed her ass.

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She, she was the cool teacher.

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Mm-hmm.

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She was an adjunct and she had

a cool job and all of this.

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And we had pe.

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There were just the people

that always spoke up, but

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they did so even more in her.

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In her class.

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So we, you would make a bingo board and

you would put the names on it and oh

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gosh, if you got bingo, you had to ask a

hypothetical and use the name bingo in it.

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So of course it was always a dog bite

hypothetical, but that's how you announced

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to everyone else playing that you won was

you would have to raise your hand and ask

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a hypothetically where the word bingo are.

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That's

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Unknown: funny.

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Hugh: Because it, but

it was the same people.

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Yeah.

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It was easy to predict.

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Eventually it got so easy.

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It was like the same

five people, you just put

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Christine: them across

the middle and you win.

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Yeah.

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And this is like a good old boy thing.

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It was like, so there was this really

interesting case that we're gonna have

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to deep dive in involving paternity and

being on the birth certificate and then

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these people acted like it was the first

time they'd ever heard anything like

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this, which is not, yeah, that was a

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Hugh: little alarming.

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I mean, oh, it was super alarming.

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I could almost name the cases that

apply, but literally they, they

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were acting like this is something,

oh, this is a new kind of thing.

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But

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Christine: no, it's not at all.

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But one of the attorneys, I guess.

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Stood in for another attorney the

week before, which is so common.

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It's insane.

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Like Hugh's on vacation.

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He asked me the week before,

Hey, if I get anything in

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division two, will you cover it?

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Yeah.

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No big deal.

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You know what I mean?

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Not an issue.

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Unknown: Yep.

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Christine: And so this attorney, and

it was like all this buddy, buddy was

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just like, your honor, I just wanna

be clear that I was here last week,

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but I don't want my name associated

with this case because I don't wanna

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not be here and get a bench warrant.

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It was like shut the actual F up.

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Right?

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Everybody knows that

isn't going to happen.

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It's not possibility's, not

why I possibility, why I, yeah.

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You know, in and of itself,

that's, that's innocuous.

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It's banter, it's all this, but

all together, if I'm sitting

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there from the outside mm-hmm.

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If in front of this judge against

any attorney that's just got this

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banter and this light, like, this,

this very sorority informal the

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tone within, within the motion hour.

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It's very hard to think that you're gonna

come in and there's going to be s you

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know, a serious proceeding where someone's

gonna be objective about it and all.

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Yes.

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You just get this feeling that,

that this is just a, you're

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walking into somebody else's club.

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Christine: Exactly.

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Country club literally like it.

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And the other thing, half the people

in that room are attorneys that were

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very, very, very, very active when

publicly, now, I don't know behind

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the scenes, but publicly they were

very outspoken when we in Louisville.

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And we did have very, and this is my

personal opinion, we had, we had, and

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we still have problems within LMPD.

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Yeah.

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But there's a good people in LMPD.

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But they were very vocal and I want

them to think about what they would

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think if there was a recording of law

enforcement talking about serious issues

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and just Kiki and he, he, he, well,

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Hugh: I mean, think about if

they were in, if they, when they

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were in court on probable cause

hearings and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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If they had that banter with

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Christine: Exactly.

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The

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Hugh: judge, would you

think that there was.

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Any chance as a defendant

that you had a prayer in hell?

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I, you know, and, and I'm seeing it

differently I feel a little hypocritical

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saying all of this because when I was

in practice and I was sitting there with

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just tons of cases and I knew I was gonna

be fighting with people 10 times that

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day, and you're sort of, you know, you're

halfway through and it's just miserable.

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You appreciate more of

the lighthearted stuff.

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You do, but I couldn't

see it from the outside.

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Like I'm now seeing it from the outside

and you know, looking at it from the point

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of view of how does this look as a legal

tribunal, a place to resolve disputes.

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Yep.

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It.

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It's not a good

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Christine: all, just for the

record, I have given him, I

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don't know, I've never, okay.

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This is, I've never seen the Matrix,

but I hear there's this thing called

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the blue pill and the Red Pill,

and you never seen The Matrix?

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No.

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But if you take one, it's

like, now you know the truth.

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I don't know which one that is.

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But anyway, he finally took that one.

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I took it about two years ago.

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Do you, I don't know which one it is, but

is it blue or red or is there a purple?

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I think it's blue and red.

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I haven't

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but y'all know what I'm

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Hugh: talking about.

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I don't remember.

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Yeah, it's but it's been a long time.

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I don't remember which one.

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But yeah, no, I, I mean, I'm just looking

at it from a different perspective and I,

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I can still rationalize things from the

point of view of a, of a, an advocate.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just, you know, much like, you know,

the advocates in some of these cases

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where we think it should go one way.

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You know, if, if, like for instance

in this case one, one party filed a

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very good motion to have the judge

recuse the other side opposed it.

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Mm-hmm.

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We're not saying the other

side is necessarily wrong.

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They're advocating for their client.

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Yep.

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They're making the best

argument that they can and.

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That's what they're supposed to do.

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If they didn't do that, they

wouldn't be doing their job.

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Christine: Exactly.

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And I do think there were two

people in that courtroom that I did

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respect that day, in that moment.

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And I do wanna say both their names.

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I hope that's okay with you.

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'cause we try to, I don't care.

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Stay out of that.

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But Abigail Green filed an extraordinary

motion to recuse and she followed it

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up with an extraordinary affidavit

that's now pending before the

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Kentucky Supreme Court and Holly

Houston was opposing counsel on that.

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And she was a zealous advocate

for her client as is required

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by our ethical obligation.

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I think that any attorney, not in

the case that was okay with the judge

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staying on, I would have very, very

serious concerns about hiring personally.

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Would you, do you agree?

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Hugh: Case.

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Yeah.

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I think it now gets more complex by

what the judge said, led to her denying

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the, the motion to alter mind or vacate.

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But before I get to that point yeah.

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Yeah.

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Holly the, the, the, the attorney

opposing the motion argued exactly

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what you had to argue mm-hmm.

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That this is, this would be.

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If you allow this judge, people are

gonna be looking at every little thing

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a judge does and forum shopping by

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Christine: she made a legal

argument on behalf of her client.

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Yeah, I will say the

argument, it got really weird.

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Okay, so this is a case where if

you're just now listening, you've

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got a custody battle between two

moms and there's a guardian ad litem

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that's been appointed, so the GAL has

basically got decision making rights

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when it comes to conflicts between

these kids in certain circumstances.

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Right.

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Hugh: And facilitating all the

communication between them, which is

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Christine: just weird.

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Beyond weird.

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I mean,

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Hugh: it's, it's agreed to.

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It's not something the

judge came up with, right?

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The parties came up with, or the

GAL agreed to it, which puts the

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GAL in one of the most miserable

situations you can be in.

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In any case, being the person that has

to communicate between two people that

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aren't allowed to communicate directly.

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You are in charge of conveying the tone

and all of the back and forth and whether

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things have been set out of order.

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It just, I would, I can't imagine

why anyone would ever agree to

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be in that position, honestly.

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Well, it would be

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Christine: miserable for Berro because he

had a very successful firm where you were

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making money, being a lawyer for clients.

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But we notice a pattern when it comes to

these people that are Gs and FOCs, and so.

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This is an individual that is

appointed by the judge that is

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given via that appointment immunity

billing, hundreds of dollars an hour.

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Okay.

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And so I imagine that it's, if, if it's

as contentious as this case appears to be,

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we're talking by the time this is over,

potentially tens of thousands of dollars.

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Hugh: Yeah, no, that's true.

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But I mean, the choices are.

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We get things moved

through the court system.

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The court chooses who gets to be

the person that makes the decisions

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and does all of these things.

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Like the custody statutes, you know,

would, would look at if the parties

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can't communicate and they can't

cooperate, or if everybody wants to

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try to cooperate, but they want to

have this whole weird family court

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apparatus like in the middle of it,

facilitating it, that's gonna cost money.

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That, that doesn't agree.

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I mean, the parties.

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Parties get to have a choice.

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If they wanted to just go have

a trial and the winner wins and

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they don't have to communicate

anymore, one person gets to do it.

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Christine: I think they did,

but it's not their choice.

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This is what's so frustrating about family

court, is that there's this assumption

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that if people can't get along, it's

because of both parties, and that's not

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true when it comes to abusive situations.

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Hugh: No, I, I agree, but

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Christine: one person, but the

GAL has no business being the

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intermediary position, in my opinion.

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Hugh: No, no, no.

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I, I, I agree that that's

not a proper role for A GAL.

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However, if the parties want to have

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yeah.

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Odd.

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Christine: Well, this is weird.

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There's a weird part of this case though,

and this gets to the recusal because

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there actually was an FOC that was on

the case during trial and the court su

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aponte, which means of her own accord.

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Removes the FOC then appointed this

GAL, and the reason for the recusal

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was because this judge attended

the gal's partisan campaign event.

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Hugh: You mean the motion

for recusal, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Christine: The grounds for the recusal.

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Yeah, the motions, the grounds for

the requested recusal and then took

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the mic at that partisan event.

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So you can see, I think the fact

that the Judge Ponte removed one

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party, added this party and then

went to her political event, does.

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Up the ante.

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Hugh: Yeah, no, I agree.

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I, I've never considered that aspect

of it, but the judge on her own

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accord removed someone else from

the case and put this person who

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was running for office and you know,

who the judge, you know, allegedly

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spoke at a fundraising event for.

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Yeah, that's a, that's

a really good point.

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Christine: And people that are going

through a divorce, like you said, you're

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going through the worst time of your life.

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There's already this heightened sense

of paranoia when everybody's getting

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in, you know, involved in your business.

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But this.

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GAL.

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This was more upsetting to

me than what the judge said.

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So the GAL then takes this stance, which

again, we said on previous podcasts,

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she should have just been like, I'm out.

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I'm out.

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I gotta run for office.

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I'm out.

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I am very concerned about what she will

do in office as far as empowering or

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building up the family court system.

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The fact that she still

stays in this case.

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And for reference, she worked at the

firm for the guy, guy that was like

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good old boy earlier in the day.

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But she's like, well, we have two bodies

that disagree because we've got the

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ethics committee for the judges that

say this is fine 'cause that's what

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the judge says, and we'll get to that.

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And then the attorney called the

ethics hotline and said, the attorney

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need to file because this is an

appearance of a conflict, right?

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Hugh: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Christine: So why did

the GAL take that stance?

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Like, was she just being a politician?

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Just like, I'm not gonna say anything.

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Hugh: Well, she didn't weigh in either

way, which I think from a GAL point

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of view was the smart thing to do.

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If you're gonna stay on

the case, don't weigh in.

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And, and I think, I mean, I think it

had not been said at that point, at

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the, at the motion hour yesterday.

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I know it was in the original motion.

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I know it was argued at motion hour that.

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Ms.

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Green, the attorney that is asking for

recusal called the Ethics Hotline and

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was told that, yes, this, this appears to

be something that would require recusal.

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And then, then she filed, it was not

brought up yesterday, so to me, the

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GAL raising that, because the judge

had just raised the fact that she

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had gotten an opinion on something.

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Was just, I mean, I, you know, to me,

I, I interpret it a different way.

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I thought, oh yeah, that's

a really good point.

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No one raised, no one brought that up.

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That we do have two totally

different bodies that are

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advising two different ways.

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Now, I'm interested to know

if what the questions were.

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Amen.

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In each of those.

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Amen.

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Because if the judge said, did I do

anything wrong by attending this event?

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And they said, no, you didn't.

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That still doesn't go to

the heart of the recusal.

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Exactly.

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You know, remember everyone

that we are, we don't have to.

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Case.

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Right.

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That's not the standard.

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It's just that there's

an appearance of it.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, I have no doubt that she's able

to handle a lot of per, you know, she has

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strong personal opinions that she has to

put aside every single day on the bench.

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Yeah.

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And she should.

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She's a human.

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You know what we're entitled to?

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Of course, people that don't have

strong opinions on things I worry

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about sometimes, but the standard here

isn't whether she did anything wrong.

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And I think that that's one of

how this sort of got off the rails

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is she took it as an accusation

that she did something wrong.

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The standard is, does this create the

appearance that you can't be objective?

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And I don't see how anybody can say that.

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It doesn't exactly.

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So did she ask, the judicial ethics

people, does this create an appearance?

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And they said no, or did she just ask,

did I do anything ethically wrong?

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And if they said, no, that doesn't matter.

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Christine: Well, yesterday in

motion hour, I'm like panicking.

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I'm sitting here with like my

Donald Trump thumbs, just like

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sitting here saying all this stuff.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, oh my gosh.

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On my Insta story, because I

literally did not know y'all that

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there was a judicial ethics hotline.

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I did not know that.

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I knew there was a judicial

conduct commission.

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And so I was like, wait a second.

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Did she call the JCC?

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'cause that's a real problem

if she called the JCC.

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That's different.

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That's the board where you

file the complaints with.

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But so I did find there is

a judicial ethics hotline.

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Unknown: Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Christine: I called them.

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You know, and basically just said,

Hey, just because I do think after

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15 years that speaks volumes.

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But I digress.

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But, and so this person that I spoke to

said essentially, I can neither confirm

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nor deny whether an opinion was sought

like this is, everything is confidential.

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But what I can tell

you is that if a judge.

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Hypothetically ask for an opinion.

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That opinion, the judge can do whatever

they want with that me that opinion.

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Yeah.

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And give it to me now.

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Hugh: Well, I, yeah, I, I'd be interested

to see, and it, and mainly, again,

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I'm wondering what the question was.

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It was answered because it may not have

been pertinent to the motion for recusal.

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Yeah.

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It's, you know, again,

Abigail Green, you know.

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It got to the point where it may have

sounded like there were accusations of

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wrongdoing, but when it fir, when this

motion was first made, it was just simply,

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this creates an appearance and you have

to recuse because 'cause of that, that's

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the standard then it, then it became

something more when it shouldn't have.

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Christine: Yeah, and I think that,

I agree, woman who has ever worked

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for a degree I, I would hope that

we could unite you as a female,

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if somebody says something to you

in a professional setting, do not

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ever respond with, I'm not mad.

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Okay.

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That's embarrassing.

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For us.

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But the judge did initially said, I'm

not mad at you for filing the motion.

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And then Judge Ry went on yesterday

to say, you know, I got a lot

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of heat for saying I'm not mad.

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So I'm gonna reiterate again

that I'm, that I'm, I'm not mad.

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And it's like, what, what

the, an attorney, a licensed

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professional filing a.

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Extraordinarily well

written, backed by law.

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Motion should never make anyone mad.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Like, can you imagine

if a judge was like you?

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I'm mad that you file a woman, judge

being like, if you filed a bond reduction

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motion in a SA case, and the judge being

like, I'm not mad that you filed this.

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That's our fucking job.

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It just, I, I could go on a tangent.

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It's so upsetting.

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Well, it's

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Hugh: so much worse in this situation

because it's one thing to say I'm not mad.

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I know.

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You know, I.

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Regardless of whether you're male

or female, it's hard for an attorney

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to file in front of a judge that

they practice in front of a lot

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of times and ask to recuse it.

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It's something that takes some bravery.

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You have to sort of hold your breath

and hope the reaction isn't all

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that bad, but the way you say, I'm

not mad without having to actually

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say it is rule on the motion

objectively and don't have a tantrum.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, and, and lash out.

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Very personally on paper.

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Yeah.

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Like you wouldn't have to say it if

you didn't react in a, in sort of

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Christine: hysterical woman.

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Seriously, I care.

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No, I don't care.

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I'm a woman.

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I can say it, it, it's like I'm allowed.

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But I mean, honestly, it was

just even watching it, I still

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can't believe and I did a video.

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I was in Florida.

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And I remember immediately being like this

judge, on the scale of, you know, zero to

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10 being retaliatory is not retaliatory.

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And I, I meant it at the time.

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Yeah, I agree.

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But clearly I was wrong.

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Like I was bad.

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Wrong.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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I don't take it as retaliatory.

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I, I took it as she took

the motion personally.

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And no matter how many times she says, I'm

not mad, you still took it personally now.

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Whether she's retaliatory.

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I, I would imagine.

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And, and, and, and I, I actually believe

that if nothing else happened and the

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case went forward, and it was litigated

that I, I, you know, I've known this

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judge long enough that I don't believe

that she would retaliate in her ruling.

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In that case, she might overcompensate,

in fact, to make it look like she

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wasn't, except for I, I worry because

of the nature of the respon, you know,

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her initial ruling on the motion.

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I don't know.

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I, I might've filed, yeah, I

might would've filed an additional

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motion instead of a motion

to alter, amend, or vacate.

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I would've done that too, but I might've

filed an additional motion to recuse just

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based on the order on recusal, literally.

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Christine: And so now Abigail

Green has filed 26 a, I

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misspoke in previous podcasts.

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I said chapter 31.

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But it is 26 a, so filed an affidavit

and moving to disqualify Shelly

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from the case at the Kentucky

Supreme Court pursuant to our rules.

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And as soon as we know,

we will let y'all know.

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And then we just have to remember

too, at the heart of all of this

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is literally a family that's

obviously going through something.

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It appears from my limited view

of the case that both moms have

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zealous advocates for them.

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Yep.

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And fabulous attorneys

in the circumstance.

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And it's

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Hugh: yeah, I, I agree with that.

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I think I think it can get sorted out,

but I think it's been a distraction.

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I think it was unnecessary,

and I think that it's.

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It's representative of a lot

of what we see all the time.

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I think it was a, it was something

that it was definitely worth

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highlighting and pointing out

because it is not uncommon mm-hmm.

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For these types of interactions to happen.

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Yep.

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Christine: I think that we were both

a little surprised where it happened.

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Yeah, that's true.

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But and it was very clear

from what she said yesterday.

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We were in the audience, but that

this judge at least is watching us.

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So for all the judges

listening, get to work on time.

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Next week we will talk about

the mom that was remanded to

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custody by Judge Lauren Ogden.

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Hugh: That happened.

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See ya.

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Christine: That was good.

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I'm actually glad you,

we've gotta remember this.

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I need to get a little.

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Next call.

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We need some justice, justice, justice.

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And I wanna ring bells in public.

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I wanna ring bes in public nor crowd.

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