Are persistent symptoms like fatigue and inflammation masking a deeper problem in your plasma? In this episode of TPE Blueprint, host Joe Fier sits down with Dr. Muhammad Mansour, a California- and Arizona-licensed naturopathic doctor, to explore the cutting edge of detoxification and immune system reset. Dr. Mansour unpacks his clinical experience treating long Covid, chronic fatigue, mold and metal toxicity, and the often-overlooked neurological damage caused by environmental toxins. Discover how therapeutic plasma exchange (TPE) may be the "oil change" your body needs, why a multimodal approach is essential, and how even the latest science is changing the way experts approach chronic illness post-pandemic.

Topics Discussed

• Dr. Mansour’s Background: His journey as a naturopathic doctor with a focus on regenerative medicine and chronic complex illnesses.
• The Shift Post-Covid: Why the pandemic changed the landscape for chronic illness, and the importance of a multimodal and personalized approach.
• The Limits of DIY Diagnosis: Why direct-to-consumer lab kits fall short—and when you need a specialist.
• Toxins and the Body’s Story: Understanding the nuanced role of environmental toxins, heavy metals, and mold, and why thorough, ongoing testing matters.
• Neurological Damage from Toxins: How inflammation and toxins impact the brain and nervous system, sometimes rewiring the body’s response mechanisms.
• Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE) vs. EBOO: Key differences, clinical uses for acute vs. chronic conditions, and why timing and patient profile matter.
• IV Nutrition and Supportive Therapies: Integrative approaches to bypass digestive barriers and bolster recovery.
• Laser and Ozone Therapies: When and how these adjunct treatments fit into chronic illness recovery.
• Patient-Centered Care: Dr. Mansour’s philosophy on meeting patients where they’re at, navigating treatment fatigue, and the power of incremental progress.
• Evolving Science & Testing: Why staying current with new labs and biomarkers is crucial for effective treatment.
• Best Practices in Seeking Care: Advice for patients and practitioners managing complex chronic conditions.

Resources Mentioned

• Mansour Medical: https://mansourmedical.com/ 
• Cyrex Laboratories: https://www.cyrexlabs.com/
• Dr. Mansour’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/dr.mansoornd 

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are you treating symptoms while the real problem might be hiding in your plasma?

So my guest today is Dr. Mohammed Mansour.

He's gonna unpack his findings, working with patients who have had long COVID.

Mold toxic metals and the overlooked neurological damage that toxins cause as a

whole, and how therapeutic plasma exchange may actually be the only intervention

that can help reset our immune systems when nothing else is moving the needle.

Think of it as that oil change for your body.

Dr. Savage has talked about this before, how it helps clear out the auto

antibodies, the forever chemicals, and this toxic load that's keeping millions

of people stuck in cycles of fatigue, inflammation, and chronic illness.

Dr. Mansour is gonna break it all down, and he also has a very step-by-step

approach of how he, how he works with patients that I think can also

shine a light help you as well.

So let's dive into it.

Dr. Mansour, it's great to have you here, man.

Thanks for taking the time.

How you doing?

Thank you.

Likewise.

I appreciate it.

Like what you guys are doing.

Thank you.

Yeah.

We're all, well, we're all doing something that's, that's

trying to push the limits here.

Right.

And like stay with the times and be kind of ground, definitely groundbreaking

and, and everything we're doing.

And that's, that's what you've been up to, I know, for, for a bunch of years too.

And it feels like, like we've been chatting, there's all these

different new developments just in the last, what, like five.

10 years or so.

But, um, I guess just quickly give me, gimme your background, kinda like your

focus and, um, I'm always curious to learn a little bit about the, you know,

your human side and experience before we jump into some of the topics here.

Yeah, thanks, Joe.

I mean, I'm a naturopathic doctor.

I'm licensed in California and Arizona.

Uh, I have a subspecialty in regenerative medicine in particular

using ultrasound guided imagery.

Um, I do work with, uh, non autologous regenerative products,

so not just like bone marrow or.

Uh, PRP or, um, blood derived products that are regenerative, but

actually from third party donors.

So namely exosome based care and also, uh, placental matrix and other orthobiologics

that have exciting potential.

Um, and I obviously in the last five years, uh, everyone had to get versed

in chronic, uh, fatigue syndrome.

Hmm.

know, uh, myalgic, encephalomyelitis, um, all the things that hit after COVID.

And I think, uh, whether you like it or not, you kind of have to

get into the world of multiple systemic infectious disease.

So that could be Lyme, COVI, viral, uh, could be any one of those.

So I definitely have a focus in, in the world of tick-borne related

illness and, uh, chronic infections.

As well as, uh, just how to, how to get rid of those.

And a lot of times it can be very persistent.

You need creative tools to get rid of that.

because you said yeah, things have changed a lot in the last, like you

said, about 5, 5, 6 years or so, since like, COVID time, I guess, what's your,

yeah, what's your perspective on it?

Like, how's it changed from your si?

Is it like a different approach that you have to take now or just new things

Absolutely!

I mean, it's multimodal, you know?

I know there's a lot of direct to consumer lab companies hitting

up, you know, the algorithms on.

On Instagram and saying, Hey, you can just buy this yourself and

figure out what's going on with you.

Um, unfortunately it's not that simple.

You know, you have environmental toxins, you have heavy metals,

you have mold, you have multiple triggers that can lead to long COVID.

Um, that could have just been already simmering in your system.

You need a specialist for that.

You need somebody who's versed in environmental medicine and

chelation heavy metal toxicity.

And also intravenous nutrition because a lot of people can't

absorb things through their gut.

They're gonna need other ways to, to get treatment, um, intravenously and bypass

the gut at least initially for some folks.

Um, so definitely a multimodal approach is what I found to work best.

I don't see silver Bullets E even though I'm a naturopathic

doctor, I do love herbal medicine.

It's not always enough to, to really get somebody over the hump.

Um, it can definitely help.

It definitely can potentiate the effects of, uh, certain pharmaceuticals

as well, but in and of itself, I haven't found a lot of silver

bullets in the post pandemic era.

I guess like walk me through how you define that and kind of what

that kin, cartel, you know, like.

yeah.

I mean obviously you want blood work, you want basic, um, understanding

of, of a patient's physiology.

You want to understand what their toxic load is, what their body burden is.

Um, to mold is a big immunosuppressant.

It can make it very difficult to fight infections like COVI or

even, um, have overlap in terms of symptomology with long COVID.

even Bruce Patterson and people who are developing long COVID blood

work panels are realizing like, Hey, there's a lot of overlap.

We need to tease this apart.

Um, and so.

You definitely need a combination of blood work, environmental

toxicity panels, um, urine analysis.

Um, sometimes you need 24 hour urine because a lot of toxins

don't get excreted right away.

So it's not just about doing these direct to consumer kits and you know you're

gonna have everything in a snapshot.

It, it's not like that.

Your body doesn't work that way.

Um, it doesn't eliminate toxins like that.

And you need somebody who has a thorough understanding of half-life,

understanding how these toxins and, and potential triggers to infections, viral

or mold, et cetera, are even activated.

And then the sequestered in your body, they could be in your fat tissue, so

they're not even gonna show up in your blood, and they may not show up after

a sauna just because you pee one time.

So.

Every, every one of these toxicants, you know, heavy metals, each one has a story.

Each one can tell you something per fluorinate can tell you something else.

The forever toxins.

So it's like you really have to have someone who knows where to test, how

to test and then how long to test for, because you can't always get

the answer just from a snapshot.

Um, so that's kind of like the short of my approach.

The long of it is.

Well, what do they tolerate?

What is the patient actually able to do?

Um, and so a lot of times, you know, if they're able to tolerate, you

know, minuscule minerals, IVs, maybe they can't tolerate a lot of foods,

they have a lot of sensitivities.

Those are challenging cases.

I might do more neurological based therapies that focus on their vagus

nerve, that focus on recalibrating.

They're va, you know, vascular tone so that they can actually have good

perfusion, they're actually awake.

They can actually be alert enough to tolerate things and not react.

And then you might think of things like laser therapy.

So red light is a popular one, but there are many forms of, uh, laser therapy that

could be effective in the realm of chronic infections, COVID toxins, um, not just

red light, but blue light, green light.

Each one of these wavelengths have.

Uh, and a myriad of effects on your mitochondria, the powerhouses of your

cell, different parts of your cell can get activated with different wavelengths.

Um, so it's a, it's a much more nuanced approach than just like, Hey, I'm just

gonna get this red light pad, stick myself in a cryo chamber and call

it good, and I'm gonna be optimized.

I'm like, Hmm.

Not necessarily, not all the time.

A lot of people who have a good vitality could get away with that.

A lot of people, unfortunately, who are suffering, who have maybe subclinical

issues, they, that doesn't work for them.

So you have to have a more nuanced approach.

Dang.

Okay.

So yeah, getting, getting all the testing is definitely step one, it sounds like.

And.

absolutely.

Yeah.

And then from there, like you said, because the toxins

are telling their own story.

I thought that was interesting.

So they're all, what, like not only are you gonna see a snapshot, and

obviously snapshots change, right?

Like over time and, and whatever you're doing to, to the system as well.

But then what that's gonna tell you kind of more or less what things that

you might need to do then, right?

Different modalities and then

Absolutely.

And then, you know, what's the.

What's the order of, um, of intervention for a patient?

Like where can you meet them, where they're gonna tolerate treatment?

So if their elimination pathways, their liver, their digestion, they're not even

pooping, you're not gonna be able to get very far with a lot of oral therapies

until you get that train moving again.

Uh, so sometimes just opening lymphatics, doing low dose, even homeopathy, energetic

based forms of, uh, herbal medicine.

Uh, could be potentially effective, but you know, it really depends

on the case and, and you kind of have to, you make that clinical

decision based on the patient.

that's crazy.

Yeah.

Are, is there anything else in your thinking, I guess, on that, this approach?

So the multimodal,

under, under talked about issue?

I think in the last few years, it's clear that.

Long COVID, the pandemic has raised concerns of

neuroinflammation, autoimmunity, even increased rates of cancer.

Um, the immune system is dysregulated.

We can all agree on that.

The literature is clear.

Um, you know, your natural killer cells, your th one, your, your

ability to fight viruses and cancer is definitely compromised.

But the other impact of that is the brain and what it, what it's doing to.

Your neurological system and how you're able to perfuse your blood through

your body, and that's an autonomic based system that's on autopilot, and

your ballots is also on autopilot.

That's your cerebellar, your vestibular function.

Those parts of your brain are very, very sensitive to toxins like mold or spike

protein or viral or EBV or what have you.

They're also very sensitive to chemical toxicants, like pernis, like

VOCs, like, you know, pick one, you know, of the, the thousands that are

out there, benzene, um, et cetera.

And I think the neurological aspect is definitely underplayed and

sometimes recalibrating that is really important, um, through certain rehab

and certain types of evaluation.

Before you can even get them to tolerate anything at all.

Sometimes that that needs to be done through a specialized

neurological approach.

It could also be done through an energetic approach.

Some people respond well to body work, some people respond well to,

um, what they call a meek delivery training, retraining the parts

of your brain, that sense danger.

Um, and that's kind of like a cognitive based, you know, talk, uh, approach.

Um, to that part of your brain, but it could also entail, um, actual

rehab strategies of those pathways to actually recalibrate your

balances, recalibrate your body's ability to control blood pressure.

Um, and, and that's a challenge because that's like multidisciplinary.

Now you're talking about six or seven different specialties, but you're

only looking at one doctor and you're expecting them to know all that.

So that's.

That's the challenge is to stay up to date with like, how much these

issues overlap, multiple systems.

It's not just like one system that you can focus on.

Oh, if I remove spike protein from your blood, you're gonna be fine.

I'm like, no, your brain gets rewired a certain way and

that needs to be addressed.

That might require rehab.

It's just like any other organ.

and that that's a under underlooked or, you know, underappreciated point.

Um, because your brain controls your heart rate, it controls your vision,

it controls your ability to coordinate, your ability to tolerate certain things.

Um, and, and yeah, it's, it, it can be something that really needs a deeper dive.

I think it's a good point to make, man.

And not it's, and we've had some, yeah, some neuro like retraining, uh, folks

on the podcast, which has been great.

Be right.

It's like once you chill out the nervous system.

It, it at least alleviates the pressure right on some of

the other organs downstream.

So it just makes sense to address that as well in its own way.

And you stated it like there are many ways to cut the cake, like.

It could work for some to do the retraining to calm that

part of your brain down.

But some might need somatic or body therapy or frequency specific

microcurrent or some other modality that kind of addresses that

nervous system in a different way.

Um, you know, I do more interventional work where you can actually, um, you

know, inject orthobiologics near your cranial nerves and get them to reboot

and kind of get them to turn back on.

If you have like ringing in your ears tinnius, or you have severe dis autonomic

issues, a lot of times those cranial nerves get really, really irritated

with viral infections or with mold or toxins or inflamed lymph nodes.

So there's no one way to do it and it's not gonna, there's no one way

that's gonna work for everybody, but acknowledging that it's a focal part of,

of the pathology of this post pandemic era, I think it's really important.

Totally.

Well, I think you're bringing up a good point and this shows like how

well new a lot of this thinking is.

'cause I doubt that's what I'm realizing is like a lot of, you know, this is

a source of information, you know?

And this podcast just in itself, there's a lot of doctors listening,

there's also general public listening.

So it's kind of like this interesting, there's just a lot of new stuff and

also it's a lot of layers for an individual doctor to handle, right?

Like, I dunno, it's, I guess it's kind kind of tricky.

Um.

You have to pick your doctors well, right?

Like, so I don't know, like do you have any like best practices actually

on that before move on into a

Best practice is always meet the patient where they're at and always

understand, you know, obviously there's a financial burden.

A lot of patients who see me, they've already been to like

10, 20 other specialists.

You know, they've been to Har, you know, Stanford, they've been to

Harvard, they've been to the top CFS, chronic fatigue clinics, and they

just, nobody has answers for them.

Um, what you need to do is understand that they have treatment fatigue, they have

doctor fatigue, and a lot of times just doing one or two simple things that they

could tolerate that's affordable, that could be it for a while, and that's okay.

You know, it's, it's not gonna get them a hundred percent better.

It's not the fix.

But that allows you to build that relationship.

And I think that's the biggest one I've had to hum humble myself about,

because we all want to help our patients and do everything we can, but

less is more is what I've realized.

Like just doing everything upfront sometimes overwhelms the patient and

sometimes just stepping back and just picking one or two priorities and being

like, Hey, let's work on your drainage.

Let's work on your balance.

You know, your, your, your vestibular tone, you're totally dizzy.

Like you can't concentrate.

Let's focus on that first.

Um, because if you don't know where you are in space, it doesn't matter what

I'm putting in your body, your body's always gonna feel like it's in danger.

So, um, certain things like that I feel like have humbled me to be like, okay,

I think, you know, we have to be some simple in certain ways, even though

it's, these are complex conditions.

That we're dealing with

Makes perfect sense though, man.

So yeah, meet, meet 'em where they're at.

What's gonna give the biggest impact, uh, to continue momentum,

however, that looks like.

Absolutely.

But you never wanna stay behind on the science.

Like, you know, Aristo Ani, who's one of the premier experts in, um, immunobiology,

he just released a new long COVID panel.

He, he's the head of Cyrex, which is a pretty.

Famous laboratory.

Um, and he also has immuno sciences, his own company and his lab.

We just were on a webinar with him last week and his panel now

has so many more autoantibodies.

So these are antibodies that are attacking your brain tissue, your mitochondria,

um, not just EBV or other viruses that are co-infected with long COVID.

Um, and these autoantibodies are related to chronic fatigue, multiple sclerosis.

Um, a lot of the, the neuroinflammatory picture of long COVID and these ju

these panels just came out like the, they're not like, this is something

you, you just constantly have to be updated on and constantly be reading

about, because if you're not up to date, you don't know that, oh, I

can actually check for this stuff.

And if you can get an antibody picture months before symptoms

get worse, that could be the difference of saving a patient's.

Quality of life for the next 10 years.

Um, or even recommending, you know, the services that you know your company

offers through plasma exchange and actually pulling off, you know, the

plasma portion of your blood that actually harbors a lot of these, you know, auto

antibodies that are attacking your brain, attacking your mitochondria, et cetera.

it's a lot to keep up with, but it's, it's, you gotta do it somehow.

Uh, and there's all sources of information, but yeah, we're doing our

best here, so thanks for, for helping out.

no, and thank you guys.

I mean, you know, plasma exchange was a very nebulous procedure

I didn't hear about except in extreme, you know, ICU issues.

You know, very, very complex autoimmune issues.

Pan.

Not even all pans and pandas children cases were eligible for it, and

you couldn't find that anywhere.

So you guys are actually trying to provide this along the country, you

know, kudos to you for, for doing that because a lot of patients

would've never access to it at all.

Yeah, man.

It's, it's new and yeah, Dr. Savage and his vision with it all at MDLifespan.

It's pretty awesome.

So talk to me about, because you, you have the EBOO comes up often, you know,

and, and like as it compares to like TPE Therapeutic Plasma Exchange, like we're

talking about, I guess like, tell me your perspective because we're talking, uh.

I don't know, like when is this apply?

I guess like defining it, kind of the scenarios where you see

it plays best for, for patients.

Just kind of putting it out

I mean, EBOO is an acronym.

It stands for Extra Corporeal Blood Ation and Oxygenation.

That's a mouthful, but basically it's extra corporeal means

taking blood out of your body.

It's a two line system, so you have two IVs.

There's an outline and an inline, and then in the middle there's

a filtration system with a pump.

The pump is pretty low level.

Um, it's pulling the blood out at a pretty reasonable low rate.

Um, and it's basically siphoning it through a filter that

can trap some uremic toxins.

So there, these are higher molecular weight.

This isn't like plasma exchange, like what you guys do.

This is definitely bigger molecules that can get trapped in this filter.

Um, beta two Microglobulin is one of them.

Uh, there's several other uremic based toxins.

Um, that can get trapped.

Some studies and colleagues have shown that even biofilm can get trapped

in it, and at the same time, you're filtering the blood, you're ozonating it.

So there's actually an ongoing continuous oz nation of the blood,

and that's the aspect to evu that's a little bit different than other

forms of ozone based therapy.

So this is all under the category of ozone.

Well, what does ozone do in the body?

Well, it can boost your mitochondrial function.

It boosts something called oxygen, uh, utilization.

So the way your body can utilize oxygen and maximize metabolic

efficiency is, is improved with exposure to ozone at the right dose,

obviously in the right concentration in the right administrative ways.

Um, and that is a critical piece because of chronic fatigue and chronic infections.

Um, you need something to kind of, IM improve that metabolic

switch in your cells and obviously in your mitochondria too.

The other offshoot that's interesting about of, of ozone is that it

boosts NAD, so that's a hot one.

A lot of people are looking for NAD for energy, but ozone actually improves your,

your body's natural ability to make NAD.

And that's a, a critical molecule to improve oxygen utilization.

The way your body uses oxygen, if you can't use oxygen efficiently, you're gonna

be fatigued, especially after exercise.

You're not gonna get good perfusion to your muscles.

It won't matter how much effort you put in, you're never

gonna get the output you want.

And that's what's so devastating about a lot of the viral conditions.

So if it's acute viral.

Let's say it's acute COVID or it's sepsis, acute bacterial EBOO is fantastic

for those acute situations because you're getting high throughput ozone.

It's continuous, it's like a time procedure, and it's also higher

surface area of the ozone to your blood because of the filter.

So the, the nice thing about that, it's not like the old school.

You pull a little blood out, you mix it with ozone.

You, you, you kind of reinfuse that back.

This is actually being exposed through a filter.

The ozone has much more surface area of the blood to be exposed to

while it's going back in the inline.

So it's much more oz nation of your blood per unit time.

And it's also a, a way to kind of ex. Trap biofilm and some of the higher molecular

weight toxins that are in your blood.

It's not dialysis.

A lot of clinics, it's a misnomer.

They call it that.

It is not formally uh, known as as such.

And there's a lot of misdirection in terms of, well, you've never done ozone

before, so let's just ship you on to EBOO right away, and that can be a disaster.

So if somebody doesn't have the reserves of antioxidants.

And ability to tolerate ozone and they've never done it before.

Or let's say they have certain genetic traits like a G six PD, certain blood

traits that make them intolerant to ozone.

That can be very dangerous.

So it's not a, it's not like everybody can just do this.

Um, there is a graded scale of how I like to introduce that to a patient.

Um, but it can be a game changer for sure.

It can definitely, if it's used the right way.

It can turn an infection around very quickly.

And I'm talking within hours.

Um, I've had septic patients post-surgical, um, a

botch, testicular case.

Um, he was gonna lose his testicle literally, and EBOO saved it, like it

basically turned the sepsis around.

So, and, and, and the same with acute COVID.

Like if you get it in that acute.

Phase it's money, like every time.

That's why they used it in Africa with Ebola because, um, if you can

capture it at that early phase when it's still replicating, you're,

you know, you're in, like, you can definitely have a, a massive impact.

Um, unfortunately in the chronic cases, once it passes.

Initial phase of infection, you, you're definitely gonna be more in the lines

of using plasmapheresis, using other ways to modulate the immune function

because now you have memory cells.

Now your immune system has been dysregulated, and now you need

to reboot that and modulate that.

So it's no longer just about going after the infection anymore.

So that's where I find the biggest distinction and vaccine injury too.

Uh, between EBOO and when you would use, you know, plasmapheresis?

And, and just, and that's TPE, right?

Yeah.

exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And I don't, I don't find that EBOO can help with, uh, it can help in

some phases of acute inflammation with vaccine injury, but I definitely

veer towards plasmapheresis, TPE.

For vaccine injury, long COVID, I, anything that's passed, kind of

like that first initial infectious phase of the first 15 days.

You know, you have to start thinking, the one exception I would make is, um, chronic

Lyme and chronic tick-borne illness.

So Bartonella, because they, they have persister cells and they make biofilm.

You need something to capture that biofilm and at the same time, kill.

Active replicating pathogen.

Um, and that's where EBOO, I find it turns the lights on really

quickly for those patients.

Um, is it a, is it a silver bullet?

No.

Can you just rely on EBOO alone?

Absolutely not.

But in conjunction with IV therapy lasers, um, you can get a lot of, of, of

headway and make a really good jumpstart in patients cases when you consider it.

That's interesting.

That's, thanks for laying that out.

Like kind of the differences and just understanding, it seems like,

I mean, huge benefits, especially when it's a timely thing going on.

Like you said, active infection in some kind of time when

window for EBOO and um, yeah.

TPE for more of like the long term stuff, you know, that you just

gotta rid, rid from the system,

And toxins, you know, that's the big one.

You know, obviously mold is being thrown around like, Hey, EBOO's gonna

get rid of mold, EBOO's gonna get rid of, you know, all the spike protein.

We have no evidence for that.

Um, you know, the technology was originated in Malaysia.

And I did train with the initial people who invented EBOO.

But unfortunately, not everyone is using the right filtration system, not,

they're not using the right filters.

They're also potentially, um, using too much, uh, ozone, which

causes too much oxidative stress.

It actually humanizes your blood.

It breaks down the red blood cells, so that's really bad.

Um, and I don't find that it, it's appropriate in a lot

of cases of mold toxicity.

Because a lot of times they can't even tolerate ozone.

Um, and that, uh, you know, some of my mentors like Dr. Neil Nathan and Jill

Krista, um, you know, they've seen the same things like, hey, you have to be

very careful with mold sensitive patients.

'cause what does mold do?

It's similar to COVID.

It is dysregulating your immune function.

It's causing this low level inflammation.

It's causing a lot of hypersensitivity, mast cell histamine release.

You're super sensitive.

You add ozone to that mix.

They don't have enough antioxidants, they don't have enough reserve to fight and

their immune system's already compromised.

It's a, it's, it can backfire.

So that's where a lot of people get negative reactions.

They get bad experiences 'cause it was used at the wrong time.

I don't say that you can't use it, but I don't think it could be used

immediately in those types of cases.

I definitely would lean towards plasmapheresis, especially with

multiple chemical sensitivity, uh, mold.

Um, any, any type of toxins that are very difficult to eliminate per fluorinate,

pfas, forever, chemicals, those types of things, you, you definitely need

something to pull the plasma, the soup where all the cells we're living in.

You gotta, you gotta pull some of that out, siphon it off, and

allow your immune system to reboot.

yeah, it's like literally you gotta extract it.

Um, tell, talk to me about, uh.

Yeah, the, the IV nutrition that you give, because I think that that was a key part.

You mentioned it earlier and, 'cause I know that's paired up with TPE sessions.

Um, you said it bypasses the gut, so it's kind of like

where it really is, is played.

But I guess how, how, how do you pair that to a detox therapy like this?

It's a, it, it, it can be game changing as well.

It can, it can potentiate the effects of ozone.

There are certain nutrients, um, excuse me, that work in, in synergy with ozone

like, um, artemisinin or uh, wormwood.

For sure you can administer those type.

It's called ate for sure.

In the cancer world.

They use it a lot for cancer, but it can be layered with ozone and EBOO because

it potentiates those oxidative effects.

But again, you have to be careful.

It can induce hemolysis, break down red blood cells if you're too aggressive.

So you kind, it's kind of like this seesaw.

It's kind of like a balance.

Um, with infections, obviously you can do vitamin C, you can do.

Um, a myriad of, of amino acids and nutrients like trine is, is very important

to clear certain types of infections like Klebsiella, things that create biofilm.

Um, so certain amino acids can definitely be added to IV nutritional

therapy, but, you know, it's a, it's a case by case basis because a lot of

people need to start with just getting antioxidants like, Hey, you don't

have enough vitamin C. Or B vitamins or magnesium to even tolerate ozone.

So we just gotta give you some IV nutrition first.

And sometimes I just have to do that first for a while, for several weeks

or maybe even months if they're extremely depleted and deficient.

And then we transition over, uh, to ozone later.

Um, and a lot of times, as I said, I don't do EBOO right away.

I do something like ozonated saline, so that's intravenous.

But instead of giving ozone in this like really advanced system where you

pull the blood out, I just ozonate a bag of saline and administer that.

And that can be really effective as a gentle way of giving some ozone.

Um, and just allowing that patient to have that immune regulatory effect

as well as giving them IV nutrition.

But I think the biggest ones, obviously, you know, glutathione,

vitamin C, B vitamins.

Amino acids, carnitine, trine, um, lysine in certain regards,

especially in viral issues.

All these can be given intravenously with really good results.

Curcumin, now you have some compounders making, um, other types of nutrients,

even polyphenols, like green tea extract.

Resveratrol can be given intravenously.

They have their place, but you know, you, again, you have to see.

What's the inflammatory load?

Are they even, is it, is it like just throwing water into a wildfire

or am I just trying to build them up slowly, give them what they need so

that wildfire can get contained again?

so again, that's where it's a great modality.

It has a hundred percent bioavailability, but I can't use

it on its own a lot of times.

Um, what I'd like to say, in addition to IV therapy, you can

potentiate the effects of IVs.

By doing laser therapy, and I don't think a lot of people realize there

are ways to layer fiber optic lasers intravenously on top of IV therapy.

That's called the Weber system, which not a lot of people are well versed in, but it

can address, um, biofilm, it can activate certain D vitamins, like riboflavin is

activated by UV light and that kills COVID on contact That's immediate.

You can spray some riboflavin in your nose and, and express UV light

and expose your nostrils to UV light and it'll kill the COVID right away.

That's been documented.

Um, and even double envelope viruses in general, so that

applies to flu, et cetera.

So using laser as an activator of IV therapy, I think that's also

underutilized, underappreciated.

So it's not just a, again, it's not just one thing, but.

If you, if you look at it like a symphony and everybody's playing their part,

hey, don't forget about the cello.

Don't forget about the oboe.

Don't forget about the brass section.

These people, when they come together, it, it sounds amazing.

Everyone in particular sounds great, but when you put 'em

together, it's a different.

it's kind of a good way to end this.

'cause like you're talking about just like the slew of how

much, how layered this stuff is.

I mean, the human body, obviously it's not straightforward, but it's

like you gotta be well versed, you know, have the right, um, doctor that

you're, that you're going to of course.

Um, and, and just.

But ask questions and, and just make sure that you're, you're gonna get the

treatment that's, that's best for you.

Um, hey, where, where's the, uh, where can folks go?

Chase, after you go dive into a little bit of what you're doing, if they

Yeah, I mean, I, my website has a lot of info.

It's, uh, mansour medical.com.

M-A-N-S-O-U-R medical.com.

Uh, I, I'm, I'm not that active on, on Instagram, but

uh, you could find me there.

It's Dr. Monsour_nd as in naturopathic doctor.

Um, and yeah, you know, I try to post some things that are relevant.

Um, I have some promising research that I think, uh, your team would like to know

about musculoskeletal injuries in the sports world related to COVID, because

that translates to what you guys are doing on the, on the plasmapheresis front.

Um, there's a lot of correlations that I think will be really, really

exciting to make with your technology and your services, even with cancer.

And plasmapheresis and I, I'm really excited to see what you guys do with that.

Nice man.

Well, yeah, we'll, we'll definitely make sure you're, you're

synced up with everyone there.

But yeah, go, definitely, we will link out everything in the show notes, description

and all that stuff, so it's easy.

Uh, Dr. Mansour, thank you man, you brought in all interesting

perspectives is uh, it's

always interesting.

you.

No, thank you for the platform and I'm excited and we just gotta keep it

going, get more people aware of it.

I'm

That's right.

We're all, that's, that's everybody's game right now.

It's more, more awareness,

understanding that you can't always detox things like sometimes you do need

plasmapheresis, like pfas and chemicals.

You can't always sweat that out, you know?

You do.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where we do need these technologies,

so that's important to get out there.

yeah.

It's good that they're here though, man, but well keep doing what you're doing

and, um, yeah, and keep sharing the notes too, you know, this is helpful.

For sure.

Thank

you.

Appreciate you.