This takes the Paddler's Podcast back to its roots - which is access. And there are three great guests with Etienne Stott this week.

Kate Ashbrook is a pioneer and legend. She's currently General Secretary of the Outdoor Spaces Society. Kate has been an activist since the 1970's and brings a wealth of experience to the discussion.

Dr Cath Flitcroft is responsible for managing the British Mountaineering Council's relationship with the Government and other countryside organisations.

And Alison Hallas is the Policy and Advocacy Officer with The Ramblers, the charity that works to protect and expand the places people love to walk.