This podcast episode focuses on the importance of holistic health for pets, with a strong emphasis on training as a foundational element for a harmonious relationship between pet owners and their animals. Savannah and Jeremiah share their insights on various training methods, including positive reinforcement and clicker training, which help establish good behavior and a strong bond with their dogs. They discuss the significance of understanding each dog's unique needs and personalities, highlighting how proper training can enhance their overall well-being. Additionally, the hosts touch on environmental wellness, emphasizing the need for a safe living space free from harmful chemicals and plants that could endanger pets. The conversation also hints at future topics, such as herbal remedies and holistic veterinary care, promising more valuable insights for pet owners in upcoming episodes.

Takeaways:

• The importance of individualized training for pets to create a harmonious environment.
• Holistic health practices for pets encompass diet, training, and emotional wellness strategies.
• Avoid using harsh chemicals around pets, as it can impact their health and safety.
• Understanding your dog's breed is crucial for effective training and socialization techniques.
• Positive reinforcement is key in training, as it builds trust and a stronger bond.
• Regular physical activity and mental stimulation are essential for a pet's overall wellbeing.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Casting Seeds.

I'm Savannah, your holistic health practitioner and host.

And I'm Jeremiah, your favorite person in the world.

It's true.

He is.

And everyone else is.

It's true.

Actually crying.

That's really funny.

And you're listening to.

The only hole is to calm.

That gives you God's singular truth, to give you individualized discernment.

That was really funny.

I'm literally teary eyed.

My job's done.

See you later.

It shouldn't have caught me off guard as much as it did.

Merry almost Thanksgiving, everybody, and congratulations to everyone who voted for the Republican side of politics.

Woohoo.

For you, that's one way.

Yeah, Yeah, I like that.

And we are definitely praying for all of the liberal tears out there.

We're there for you.

No, but in all honesty and sincerity, I do understand that there's a lot of conflict happening right now.

And I mean, I've even been threatened on social media for talking about abortion rights for children.

And it's just wild out there.

So just be prayerful.

Not just careful, but prayerful.

And understand that Trump is not our savior and there are only so many policies that he can do to help the US and ultimately God's in control at the end of the day.

So whether you are liberal or conservative, just know that as Christians, we are here to share truth and ultimately love.

Outside of that, we have a really fun episode today.

Jeremiah, do you want to tell them what we're talking about?

Because I'm really excited.

I get to talk about my dogs.

Yeah, we're talking about holistic health with pets.

Yay.

I'm really excited.

I don't know why we didn't do this sooner.

We love our dogs.

We.

Yeah.

And don't get me wrong, we can talk about other things as well.

We'll kind of make this a broad sense towards all animals, but we're always going to hone it back to dogs because guess what?

Jeremiah and I have dogs.

And we do have an Instagram for our dogs.

Holistic dogs.

I think it's holistic underscore dogs.

Oh.

It used to be a different name.

They changed it to match Jeremiah and I's Instagram.

So we're on theme.

Yeah.

Family.

We're all a holistic family now.

Hashtag holistic Instagram.

But we're really excited because in general for this episode, we are going to go over holistic, like diet and nutrition.

I think that tends to be the biggest thing people talk about.

We're going to talk about Training and herbal remedies.

Massage and chiropractic, aromatherapy, mindfulness and mental stimulation, physical activity, play.

What are all the things of.

So many things.

Training.

We already said that.

Training.

Training.

Yeah.

Wait, let's just hone in the most important training.

Yeah.

Environmental wellness, which is huge.

I think people don't think about things that are growing in their garden.

Garden.

Or things that are around their house that could be harming their pets and making them sick all the time.

You know what's funny?

Can I tell you guys, Chatgpt suggested that we talk about energy healing and spiritual practices for our pets.

Want to talk about Reiki and chakra healing?

Yeah.

I'm going to tell you right now, it's a hard pass.

Homeopathy.

We're going to talk about socialization and emotional health for your animals and what that looks like.

And then holistic veterinary care, which I.

I have a holistic veterinarian lined up to interview within the next few weeks.

So that would be really cool.

Yeah.

Talking to Dr.

Bates.

So we are.

What?

Nothing.

What should I also preference?

Dr.

Bates was in my bridal party.

Ah, there you go.

I surround myself with people that I really love that are in the holistic field.

Okay.

So let's jump on training because I think that's one of the biggest things to actually lead a holistic life.

And with your dogs.

Yeah.

Well, we also talk about discipline a lot for holistic lifestyle in humans and just life in general.

So I think having discipline and people associate disciplinary with discipline, but having discipline is also just having good habits, Right?

Yeah.

Having consistent habits.

And that's such a great precursor into children and something that you should be doing in your daily life as a human, let alone for animals.

Yeah.

I really think your dogs need to be trained to accommodate your lifestyle and not your lifestyle.

Accommodate your dogs unless you have a dog that is outside of your lifestyle.

So they're like older people.

I was going to say old ladies get huskies.

Yes.

Or like they get like what we have.

We have half border collies, half Australian shepherds or Burmese or.

Yeah, Very active dogs.

Or Akitas.

Yeah, I know the German shepherds.

There are these people who like, can't walk and then they get these dogs that need to be ran like for 15 miles every day.

That doesn't make sense.

15 miles sounds like a lot, but when you're throwing a tennis ball and everything, it's actually not very much.

Like Holly, our female dog, like in 30 minutes she'll run 15, 16 miles.

Oh, yeah.

We should probably talk About.

So we have our.

Our female dog, Holly Cypher.

Our dogs have two names.

Get over it.

We live in Orange County.

No, there's a funny story behind that, actually.

We couldn't choose between the two names.

When she was a puppy, we both loved Holly and we both loved the name Cypher, but our families only liked the name Holly.

And so we ended up liking Cypher a little bit more.

And then we noticed, like, training wise, she just was more obedient to Cypher.

Yeah.

So Holly's like her general name and Cypher is her training name, which is actually kind of nice because at the dog parks, when we used to go to those.

Oh, that should be on here.

When we used to go to those, if there was another Holly or like a human Holly, we use Cypher and she responds beautifully.

And then we have Atlas Haiku, which again, we fell in love with two names.

Oh, no.

Are they coming over here because we said their names?

No.

Oh, sister's here.

Hello.

So with Atlas Haiku, again, we were torn between two names.

I loved Atlas.

Jeremiah loved the name Haiku because he met another dog named Haiku.

Both of those names I loved.

Yeah.

And then so because we gave Holly Cypher two names, we're like, we're just gonna be those people.

Yeah, they're both two years old.

They're both half Border Collie, half Australian.

Different litters.

Yes.

Well, yeah, we both.

We saved them both.

Well, Atlas, we saved from a puppy mill.

And then Holly, we.

They're both technically Craigslist puppies because we saw them both on Craigslist and.

Yeah.

So.

Because when we ever.

We went to adopt dogs or save dogs through the state, it always ended up being a huge problem.

We got a lot of pushback.

Yeah.

It ended up being a huge problem every time.

And I won't even get into that because it's.

So we're jumping over to training and it makes me angry.

Training is one of the biggest things because we watch so many people struggle with their dogs and people will see us walking and our, you know, our dogs pull a little bit here and there and they've gotten way better over the time.

But we always get compliments, though.

Yeah.

On how well our dogs are behaved.

I really think in order for you to live a holistic life with your dogs, you need to be able to control your animal.

Because if you can't control yourself, then how are you going to control your animal?

Yeah, there's a lot of people who get really upset on the streets with their dogs and they'll just yank their dog, choke them by the collar, lift them up.

We literally watch it with those two little dogs the other day.

Like those.

What are they?

The Chihuahua.

Yeah.

There's definitely.

I call it size ism with dogs.

Yes.

People allow their little tiny dogs to be gnarly and intense and yippers and biters, and they get to act however they want just because they're small.

But if a big dog acted that way, people would be like, get your dog trained and freak out.

Right?

Yeah.

Whether your dog is a teapot size or the bigger than a Great Dane, your dog should be trained.

And it's for safety for you.

It's for safety and security for your dog, for their mental health and well being, their physical well being.

But also it creates an emotional connection between the two of you that is holistic.

And it's just that bond that there's a reason why they call dog dogs a man's best friend.

Dogs.

Dogs are.

I should say men are a dog's best friend, but God is a man's best friend.

Yeah.

Ooh, quote me on that.

Anyway, continue your saying, baby.

Yeah.

And then so different types of training out there.

There's positive reinforcement training, art.

Dogs love a good applause.

They love us, like, cheering and stuff.

And they just think it's amazing.

There's click training.

We like to do that also.

We use that for like long distance stuff and that really works well.

Or like.

Oh, a whistle.

Yeah.

And then to disengage.

We also use click training.

We do a lot of obedience training.

Obedience training.

I think you have to keep up every single.

At least once a week, do obedience training even after you're already trained.

Like, which we'll get into what each of these are as well.

More in.

In depth.

Because there's a difference between, like, obedience training and like behavior modification, you know?

Mm.

Well, behavior modification is correction, right?

Yeah.

Over like barking and fear.

But that's what I'm saying.

We'll get into that.

There's crate training.

We did not do crate training.

You know, some people like to do crate training.

I don't think an animal should ever be in a box for a long.

Period of time, especially three hours.

Yeah.

Especially active dogs.

Like, we like our dogs to be able to roam the house and to be able to go inside and outside and protect our home.

But that's just us, too.

Uh, also, too.

There are benefits and downsides to crate training that we'll say the benefits and downsides to each of them.

Also.

Leash training.

Yeah.

There's Leash training, which is really important.

We did two different types of leash training.

Yeah.

Uh, we have.

For potty training.

Great tip.

Leave your leash on the dog, and he will not pee for some reason, or she will not pee next to the leash.

Um, and then the other one is while walking.

And then agility training.

Then there's separation anxiety training.

Yeah.

Our dogs have a little bit of anxiety when we separate.

We have herding dogs.

So this is a natural instinct for them.

And this is not really something you could train out of a dog that's bred to herd animals.

You have to know the animal that you're working with.

I feel like that's going to be the main thing that we're honing in on this episode.

Know your breed, whether it's a cat, dog, parrot, I don't care.

Yeah.

Fish.

Understand your type of animal and what it does and work with that animal in that range.

There's also service dog training, which actually Atlas was offered to do in hospitals because he's more calm than Holly, which is amazing.

And then socialization training is also really.

Yeah, that's really key with children, with other animals, with humans in general.

So positive reinforcement training.

Let's start there.

This method is based on rewarding desired behaviors and encouraging that repetition over and over again.

So it's kind of like it's.

People do it with treats and with positive voices, like, oh, good job.

Good boy, good girl.

Like, I'm kind of nervous to do it that we're going to end up calling them.

But they're so good at training to stay on their bed or their spot.

Yeah, they're being such, good boy, good girl.

This worked okay when they were puppies for us.

I feel like Jeremiah really struggled with them when they were little, using treats to get them to do the same thing over and over and over again.

It was really annoying and exhausting for him, but I think that's also because he's a man.

Like, for me, being a woman, I don't know.

I've noticed a lot of.

A lot more dog trainers tend to be women over men.

And I think it's because, like, women, we have that natural instinct to be, like, corrective.

Same thing with, like, children.

So it felt like I was just correcting kids over and over again.

It felt like I was working with toddlers and then.

And it never was really exhausting for me.

It was kind of fun.

Yeah.

And I like to do silent training, so I'll get that.

It really annoyed Savannah, and she's like, what are you doing?

And I'm like, I'm getting the dog to learn my behavior that way.

There.

He responds to what I'm doing.

So I'm gonna tell you right now.

And it's fun because they actually do it.

They do do it, but it gives them anxiety a little bit.

I hate it because it confused the dogs for a long time because we were training them a certain way, and then Jeremiah would go rogue and confuse them.

So let me just say I do not suggest doing two different types of training styles at the same time with two different people.

I agree.

I think Jeremiah understands that now.

Yeah.

But if he waited until they were, like, a year old to establish those things after they had fundamentals, it would have made our training a lot easier.

So the same thing with kids.

Be consistent, and the same thing with dogs.

Be consistent with the entire family and all the adults training the same way.

And that's the other thing.

Setting up boundaries for training.

I had to do that quite often with, like, my family and my parents with certain foods that they could and couldn't eat.

And we're going to get into that later in the episode.

But if you do not trust certain people to be around your dogs and not be consistent with their training habits, then don't leave them with your dogs.

That's what I'm gonna say.

Same thing with your kids.

Anything I say about dogs, I'm pretty sure 90% of it you could say about kids.

But, yeah, positive reinforcement training was awesome.

It built a lot of strength and trust between me and the pups, especially between Atlas and I, because Holly and I had bonded so closely.

We got her at eight weeks, and we got Atlas three months.

So he was abused, and it just.

It took a long time for him to trust us.

He didn't even want to walk into doorways because he was kicked, and that was really hard.

And then he chewed.

Boy, dogs chew so much.

So that was also really difficult.

But then we realized that we just had to offer different types of stimulation and toys and also not be scared for punishment as well, which was.

We would make.

We made.

We regretted making outside a punishment place because we wanted them to feel comfortable outside.

So we kind of had to undo that.

And then we had to.

Instead of making it more of a punishment, we made it more of like, you've done something bad, go to your safe space, which became their bed.

That was also hard, though, like, getting them to understand that their bed was a good safe space where we would not be upset or yell at them or say, no, you know, angrily we would always come to them, even if we were mad at their beds, and say, good boy, good girl, and, like.

Pet them so they understand sorry.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That was a fun little thing that did.

Who taught them that?

Was it I did?

Was it you?

Yeah.

You want to explain that?

Yeah, we taught the dog.

So, like, when the dogs did something wrong and they knew they did something wrong, they would tell them go bad, which they know, and then they would come and now they say sorry.

They'll come and give you a lick on the face.

They'll give you a kiss, and we'll even ask them, like, say sorry, and they'll give you a kiss.

Yeah, the atlas took him a while.

Yeah.

He still gets a little begrudge.

Like, when he's a little pissed, he has attitude.

Yeah.

He won't want to come and say sorry when he's caught.

When we mess up and.

Or like, step.

We step on them or we forget to feed them, like, we'll say sorry.

And we don't forget to feed them.

But if it's like an hour later.

Than usual, we don't skip days.

That's not what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Will come and say sorry or, like.

Yeah.

If an accident happens because you know when you, like, step on your dog or you're like, oh, my gosh, I'm sore, and like, you can tell your dog doesn't know how bad you feel.

We broke that barrier.

Yeah.

We trained them, and they get so excited when we say sorry.

Yeah.

We give them kisses and we pet them and.

Yeah, they know.

Okay, so on to clicker training.

Clicker training is super specific reinforcement.

So it kind of starts with you giving, like, every time you do the click sound, you also give a treat.

Yeah.

Or like a whistle sound or a calling.

Now, whenever we're in, like, a public place or a loud place, I will go like a.

With my own mouth if I don't have a clicker or snap with my finger to kind of reinforce.

Especially when we do eyes, we make them look at us and stay in contact with us.

If they're not staying staring at us enough or paying attention to their surroundings.

So we'll say like, atlas, Holly, ice.

And then they'll look at us, and if they don't do it, I'll do a sound.

I'll go, atlas, Holly.

Like that eyes.

And then they'll look at us directly.

Yeah.

So these are just like.

I think these are things that people don't think about on how to have that intimate connection and make your Life as a dog owner, a thousand times easier.

Yeah.

Especially in public places, which.

That gave Jeremiah the biggest anxiety.

He hated taking our dogs out when they were untrained and they were puppies.

Yep.

But still to this day, people pet them and they go, they're so well trained.

They're so nice.

Yeah.

It took.

It's two years later.

Yeah, we've been working really hard.

But I love clicker training.

We didn't start really involving that until like, a year and a half into their training.

Um, I don't know if we necessarily should have done it earlier.

I don't know.

We don't use it too much.

No.

Not something that really.

We use more sounds of our mouth, but I think we didn't even realize that we do clicker or, like, I'll make the kissy sound and they'll come running over.

So.

Yeah, that's fun.

We also have different whistles.

Yeah.

They understand what different whistles mean.

They also know who's calling between Savannah's and my whistle.

Yeah, it's really cool.

I mean, we also have Border collies are the smartest breed in the world, so.

And then Australian shepherds kind of dumb them down a little bit, but they're smart.

It requires a lot of practice, though.

So if you want to challenge them in those situations, I definitely recommend getting really long leashes if you want to do it outside or just doing it later at night, if you know your dog has a really good recall and you're okay with being outside in public places like parks at night, where no other dogs are going to bother you or people, for that matter.

Um, okay.

Obedience training.

Obedience training.

This really focuses on dogs being able to follow basic commands like sit, stay, come, heal.

Like, those basic commands.

Savannah is really good at doing these with the treats and stuff.

Yeah.

Your repetition, everything.

And, like, that's what got our dogs trained for sure.

Yeah.

This is, like, this is what you should start with with puppies.

Their names and just these basic, basic commands.

Because from here, you can then go into every single other aspect, whether it's something amazing, like doing a dog trick where the dog jumps over your back or something just as simple as having your dog jump up into your car and not.

Or even not run out into the street.

Like, our dogs know that they can't run out into the street, and it can save their lives.

Even if a ball rolls out there.

Right.

They don't chase it.

They know grass.

So, like, when.

When they start.

Start going towards the street, we just say grass, and they run Right back to the grass.

Yeah.

So it's associating positive reinforcement, um, with.

With words.

Yeah.

And border collies can know up to like a four year old.

A four year old child's amount of words, which is insane.

So.

Yeah.

I just.

I love obedience training.

And also too, like, for us, a different obedience will change for every group of people and every couple or individual.

For us.

Like, we don't allow.

Jeremiah especially does not allow the dogs to be around the dinner table while we're eating.

Never.

They know that they're not allowed to.

Um, they also cannot eat anything from the dinner table.

So we had to.

Also Jeremiah had to give me obedience training in that because I love sneaking dogs food under the table.

But he'll.

He even made it to the point where the dogs don't even look.

They're not allowed to look at us because they can't beg in any way, shape or form.

So when we're eating, the dogs know they can't.

Like, they go to their bed and they literally do this thing where they look away.

Like it's kind of funny, but it really does.

It stops from anything, like, bad happening because they're allergic to certain foods.

So if someone was having dinner with us and our dogs were begging and they didn't know that they were allergic to certain things, it could prevent our dogs from being harmed or even like just bad manners and our dogs nipping somebody.

Not that that would ever happen, but it could if our dogs had bad manners in that way.

Jeremiah, do you want to talk about beh.

Behavior modification?

Because I know this is something that you're.

You're very in depth with.

Yeah.

Behavioral modifications.

Let's just skip the modification part and talk about behaviors.

Because we all don't like certain types of behaviors from dogs.

Yeah.

And the dogs don't like certain behaviors from us.

Yeah.

Either.

They don't.

I mean, nobody likes barking.

No one likes yelling.

No one likes aggression.

Both humans and dogs fear separation, anxiety, destructive, destructive chewing.

I mean, destructive chewing comes with all of the above.

Yeah.

So I think that's a very all inclusive thing that happens if your dog is a chewer.

And depending on the breed, that's something that also happens if you have a pit bull.

If you have a Australian shepherd or a husky, they like to chew well.

Also, too, it's remembering, like, where do you live?

If you're in a small apartment and you have.

Let's just use an Australian Shepherd.

You have an Australian shepherd that can't be outside and can't go chew on wood.

Like Atlas today was chewing on the tree bark.

Yeah.

Yeah, the tree bark.

And Holly.

Holly never chews.

And they loved chewing on that tree bark.

Yeah.

So if you don't.

If you don't live in the right area for a certain dog breed, don't get that dog.

Even if you love that dog breed, be kind to the dog breed and understand that if you can't give it its best life, then it's not your right to have that dog.

Yeah, I agree.

And I mean, even if you don't have the square footage for that dog, then you have to make accommodations for the dog.

Yeah.

Like us, we don't have the square footage for two border Aussies, but then we run them.

Yeah.

We live by the beach.

They get beach action.

We have the mountains right here.

They get that hiking.

They get back a little of everything, you know, so you really have to entertain your dog.

Yeah.

So to fix the behavior modifications, what are some things that we did?

Like, especially.

Holly is more of a barker.

So what do we do for that?

So modifications to change these habits.

We have to first figure out why they're actually happening and then address it that way.

Because you can keep taking all the toys away when the dog's chewing on everything, but it's not going to solve anything because you want to know why the dog's chewing on stuff.

And so you're going to figure out, like, oh, he's scared when he's alone.

He has anxiety.

Or she's naturally aggressive.

Yeah.

Like, Holly's more protective.

So whenever she barks, it's alerting us that someone's at the door.

And we have two big windows that show the front.

So normally.

Or she'll bark.

Like, if Jeremiah and I are, like, fake playing and wrestling with each other.

She and Atlas both bark.

Like, hey, chill.

Yeah.

We taught our dogs to prevent aggression.

If we do have children and they start getting into it, our dogs will tattle tell on them.

Yeah.

Really fast.

And we love it.

They even put their, like, mouths over our hands and things like that.

Not hard.

They just put their mouths there, like.

Yeah.

Don't move around.

Oh, yeah.

In between us.

And Atlas will start barking.

It's pretty great.

But to answer my question, what did we do specifically for Holly?

Or, like, what do we do with her when she starts barking?

So Holly, she gets a little bit of anxiety when she's on the leash and there's other dogs or animals around.

She gets protective over Savannah and I, and she wants to bark and excited.

She's not Aggressive towards it.

She just, like, she wants to be involved.

She wants to introduce herself.

And so we started using.

You can have.

They have shot collars that have vibration and also beeping sounds.

We started with the beeping sound, and we also used the vibration.

And both of those, actually, we got a really great response from both.

And then we also got a prong collar.

These do not actually hurt animals.

Yeah.

I don't understand why people get so much anxiety about prong collars.

Prong collars are awesome for training out these.

These different behaviors.

One for pooling, and then the other one for the aggressive barking.

Because you just lightly pull on it.

And then the dog knows not to bark.

But for.

Specifically for her barking, when.

When she would bark, we would use the sound to make her stop, like, to kind of distract her.

And then when she did something positive or we wanted them to come to us, we'd actually use the vibration so that if our dogs ever were away from us, we could use that vibration to literally stop their actions.

Because it kind of.

It makes them, like, freak out and uncomfortable.

If you have it high enough where it doesn't hurt them, it just vibrates them.

So, like, what?

And then they know to run back.

So that's something that we chose to do, but not ever use the shocking method.

Yeah, we don't use the shocking.

And then the other one is because Holly likes to protect the household.

She likes to bark at intruders, people that are walking onto our property.

We do share a property with other people.

Yeah.

And so they have guests.

We have mailman ups and all that.

So our dogs wear a.

The vibrating collar while they're at home by themselves.

And it will alert them that they shouldn't be barking.

Yeah.

It will do a light vibration.

Yeah.

And then it just reminds them.

It's like, everything's okay.

I think dog that you've heard of, like, security blankets for dogs that, like, they get so much anxiety during thunderstorms and they wrapped their dog up.

I think some dogs just need to, like, be reminded.

It's like, I'm actually safe.

Yeah, well, that and, like, we don't discourage them from barking, because it's a natural, healthy thing.

We just live in a small area with a lot of neighbors.

So we actually, when they do bark, when they go woof, like a little woof.

Yeah.

I trained them to do small barks.

Yeah.

So we'll say small bark.

And, like, they can talk to us and tell us, but not loud and aggressively.

Unless if it is loud and aggressive, we know that Someone has really scared them.

And then we tell them go outside and do it.

Yeah, yeah, we'll tell them to go outside.

And whenever they go outside, they don't bark as much.

They tend to just be able.

It's like they can actually see better.

Yeah.

And especially now with our Christmas tree.

Yeah, I get it.

It's not Christmas yet.

Get over it.

It's not Thanksgiving.

We have it up.

With our Christmas tree blocking half of our windows, the dogs can't pop up and see as much.

So it will give them more anxiety, especially with more deliveries and stuff this coming season.

So.

Yeah, I know.

I didn't expect.

I don't think people expected us to be like, so into dog training.

Yeah, Crate training.

Jeremiah and I, like we said before, we weren't huge fans of the idea of putting our dogs in crates all day, especially if we were out.

We wanted them to be well trained and to be able to guard our home properly when we're not here.

So we decided not to do any crate training.

And we kind of love it because at night, Atlas tends to not.

Holly likes to sleep with us, Atlas doesn't.

He likes to roam the house and even like roam the backyard and kind of do laps and check in and make sure that we're safe while we're asleep.

So.

Which is why we have dogs also for safety reasons.

So we opted out on crate training.

But I kind of wish that we did a little bit of it so that our dogs weren't scared of it.

Because if we ever did do like long traveling trips, I would love if, when we could afford it, those really nice big crates that they're safe for dogs.

So, like, if you ever get in a car accident, I don't count that as a crate, but you know what I'm talking about.

I do.

They get their own individual ones.

Yeah.

I don't know what they're called.

Basically a bedroom, but they're.

Yeah, but they're safe for dogs, especially in trucks.

Yeah, that'd be really cool for when.

You go hunting in the future and stuff.

Yeah.

So that kind of stuff I like now we'll have to train that in the future.

But now.

Cause they're older, I feel like it'd be a lot easier.

Um, but yeah, I do think crate training is necessary for many dog breeds and for people who.

I hate to say it, but I feel like people who are kind of lazy with their dogs and just want to leave them.

The at home thing is one thing, but like overnight and like, this is their dog's safe space, I think is okay.

Like when people use it to put their dogs to bed, I think it's okay.

But when people just leave their dogs in it all day, it breaks my heart.

I'm not.

I don't care how big or how small your dog is, but that's just me.

Some people may hate me for saying that, but we have not crate trained our dogs.

Yeah.

So.

But it is.

You have to make it encouraging.

The only thing that sucks is, like, now you have to schedule time for meals and potty breaks and establish way more of a routine if you're going to keep your dog trapped inside a crate all day.

So I don't know.

Leash training.

This kind of goes back with what we were talking about earlier, with the vibration and sound collars and the prong collars.

We wish that we least trained our dogs in the backyard for potty.

Yeah, we didn't do that.

Listen to our mistake.

Show them every time when they're puppies where they can only go potty and not go potty.

Now our dogs go potty all over the backyard.

And our backyard's inhabitable.

Yeah, we didn't think about that.

No.

And now that they're bigger, they have bigger peas, bigger poops, and it's like, okay, actually, this is sucks.

And now we, like, just don't feel like training them because we barely use our black backyard anyway.

It's kind of like the dog's backyard in the garden, so whatever.

But at my parents house, they're really well trained.

Everywhere on the concrete.

Yeah.

Just in our backyard.

Only in mom and dad's house.

But leash training, super important for safety.

Harness training is also important.

Collar training, everything, all of those things.

I.

I don't know how people don't function or how people function with their pets.

Like pulling on the leash all day.

Like, it's true.

The dog doesn't respect you and they're not paying attention to you.

They just want to do whatever they want.

And you can tell a lot about a person and their dog and their relationship by watching them on the leash with their dogs.

Uh, we also do a little bit of dominance training with the leashes.

Um, I know a lot of people don't really reinforce that, but we did where our dogs were just like, yappy and going crazy when they were little a few times.

Especially Atlas being a boy.

This actually happened the other day.

And Jeremiah just pinned him.

Like, not hard.

He just pinned him and made him lay down and said, no, like that.

And then all of a sudden, he Was he listened.

I grew up owning pit bulls and they're a little bit hard headed and it was just something that we.

That worked for me then.

And so I just carried it on to this.

The dogs are way more intelligent, but they still understand the same trait.

Yeah.

And they can push boundaries too, so.

And it's not, it doesn't have to be an aggressive thing.

It's just showing who the dominant person is.

Yeah.

And Jeremiah's the alpha.

So once he made that clear, like when Atlas was kind of playing with Holly way too hard and we, we told him no about five times.

And he knows the word gentle.

Yeah, he knows the word gentle.

He knows the word no.

And he just challenged it too much the other day.

And all Jeremiah did, he was just like down.

And then Atlas laid down and Jeremiah got close to him and said, no, gentle Holly.

And then Atlas looked at him like, oh, I'm sorry.

And then he said sorry and gave him a kiss.

And then he was a good boy.

So it's interesting because we can literally have conversations with our dogs and it's really fun.

And it also makes just like living at home more fun and more at ease too.

Cuz the dogs understand the boundaries and we understand their boundaries as well.

Agility training, we don't really do this.

No.

The most agility training we do is have them run up hill.

Yeah.

Or they're backpacking with their backpacks on.

I mean, that's kind of agility training.

But technically agility training is like that.

Sport that you see on tv.

Yeah.

Like the physical, demanding dog training and navigating through obstacle courses and jumps and hurdles.

Holly would kill at that.

Atlas has got hops, but he's just too dumb.

I love him, but he does.

He doesn't have a tail.

He wouldn't be able to make those turns.

I know.

Which also makes me sad.

Not into tail docking, but whatever.

That's what happens.

They love Frisbees and they love.

What do you call it?

Paul's.

Yeah, Our dogs are.

Have great agility, but we have not done agility training with them because it's not necessary and it doesn't fit our lifestyle.

Yeah.

So we're not horse trainers.

Exactly.

Um, okay, so separate separation anxiety.

Atlas had a lot of it.

Um, Holly was good, probably because she was like the first dog.

It was actually not with us though.

It was with each other.

Yeah.

They have really bad separation anxiety with each other.

They will howl and it is the cutest.

Yeah.

Check out their Instagram.

Oh, it's the Cutest thing.

So we've tried to train them a little bit, like not being around each other as much.

Jeremiah will take Atlas out on separate walks, and I'll take Holly.

Atlas is Jeremiah's dog, and Holly is my dog, like, 100%.

Take them to work and stuff, and you'll how all the way there, and.

Then he'll kind of forget.

Holly doesn't care.

No.

But I think it's because we got Atlas second and also because he was abused.

And Atlas also chose Holly when we took her to meet the puppies, like, the litter that got saved.

He chose her and latched onto her.

Yeah.

So what is that word?

Imprinted?

Yeah.

This is.

What's Bella's baby's name?

I was about to make a Twilight reference, and I'm not happy.

Renesmee.

What?

He is Jacob and she is Renesmee.

That is weird.

Anyway, did you even remember that?

Yo, I devoured those books when I was a kid.

All right.

But for separation anxiety, one of the biggest things that we do, especially with, like, Fourth of July fireworks and things like that, we give our dogs chamomile people.

Some people use lavender as well, but lavender is a part of the mint family, and technically, mint is really bad for animals.

Yeah.

I don't know why they put it in a lot of their products.

Yeah.

Lavender is not great for dogs.

So chamomile and comfrey root, calendula, all the C's are really good for dogs.

But specifically, chamomile is amazing for dogs.

And kids and for traveling and just all anxieties.

Yeah.

But if you give your dogs too much, it can make them actually piddle themselves.

Remember, we gave Holly a little too much, and she.

She peed on the bed.

Another separation anxiety, specifically towards our breeds, is when we have a group of people, and it's like, separate groups.

If I'm out front with the group of guys and Savannah's inside, Holly is running in and out of the house just like, how are you?

How are you?

Yeah.

What are we doing?

They're checking.

I want you guys to be together.

Yeah.

Come back inside.

Yeah.

She doesn't nudge.

Like, they're really good at not hurting and, like, nipping or getting people to do things, but they will.

Like, they'll constantly check in.

And that's kind of how she takes care of her anxiety.

So when people kind of tell her no, I actually ask them not to because she's doing her job.

Yeah.

It's not annoying, though.

It's really sweet.

You can tell she's great when we get home, too.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, she's tired.

Atlas is much more chill.

I think he has more of the Australian shepherd in him than the border collie drive she tends to have.

I don't know, it's more of that, like, mommy nature.

I think it's more of the.

Maybe it's not has to do with their breed so much, but more of the feminine and masculine aspects.

Atlas just wants to lay down with the dudes.

Yeah, he really is a dude dog.

Like, a hundred percent.

And Holly has that anxiety of hostess, like, oh, you can take care of you.

But yeah, Separation anxiety training using positive reinforcements.

And also, honestly, the herbs helped us the most.

And two, like, if your dog really gets lonely, I.

A second dog has been the best thing ever.

Atlas has been the best addition ever.

I love.

Yeah, I love him.

Like, it's so fun.

Having life would be completely different.

It would be a little bit harder, I think, without Atlas.

Yeah.

Because we would be much more worried when we leave for the day with Holly's, like, mental state and stuff like that, which we're also going to talk about later.

So service dog training.

You cannot have a dog like Hollywood, the excited, how are you doing?

Type of dog where I'm in your face all the time.

You have to have a chill dog.

This is why golden retrievers are such good service dogs.

Same with labs.

But goldens are picked because they are friendly, they are gentle, they are so easygoing, and they're just so lovable.

So service dog training is amazing because they can do all sorts of different emotional, physical aspects.

I would love to get my dogs trained for celiac.

I would love it.

I think Atlas would be really good at it.

Yeah, he's got a good sniffer.

Yeah, he knows when people are off.

But Holly.

But that's the thing.

Holly's really.

She, like, when we had our last miscarriage, our fourth one, she's in tune with you.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I could train her for me, but when we were having our fourth miscarriage, when Jeremiah was gone and it was just me and the dogs, there's one time where I was crying so hard and Atlas just, like, laid there like, sorry, sucks to be you anytime.

Especially ever since then, Holly came over and literally was licking the tears off of my face and, like, just nuzzling me and booping me to get up, and I just.

It made it easier.

She was wonderful during that time.

So that's why we got her originally.

Yeah, we got her During.

Right.

In between our first and second miscarriage.

Yep.

So, yeah, that dog and I have a little special connection, she and I.

Atlas.

Atlas knows when.

Like your mom.

All that was going on with her cancer.

Yeah.

And he would go and cuddle now that he's older.

Like, he knows when something's up with you.

Yeah.

And when I'm down or like, I'm feeling sick, like, he just.

He is the biggest cuddle, and he has the most gentle kisses, too.

And that's why we got offered for him to become a hospital service dog.

So that's what I mean.

Like, pick a good personality.

Picking a good personality has to do with picking a calm dog.

But also, boys tend to be just more calm in general.

So you'll notice that more hospital dogs tend to be male rather than female, and more service dogs tend to be more male rather than female.

Last on training, I just want to talk about socialization training.

We kind of broke a lot of rules.

What do you mean?

Well, our vet, Dr.

Bates, told us, you know, with dogs and stuff, especially with Holly, she was like, don't take her out because of.

She could get sick with.

What was it?

Parvo.

Parvo, yeah.

We had her out all the time.

Well, she was in a bag half the time.

Yeah.

But still, we took her out.

We did.

Like, people really freak out on that stuff.

And Jeremiah and I were like.

Well, like I said, I had nine puppies that had Parvo, and I treated them all myself, you know, so I wasn't too worried about it.

Yeah.

I never had an animal die from it, but I know it happens also, too.

She's just in our arms most of the time.

But with socialization, we.

We definitely.

We didn't bring them to dog parks.

Yeah.

Until they were much older.

3, 2.

Just because we didn't want them to get over stimulated, I guess.

But we let dogs.

I guess I still get nervous letting two dogs meet on a leash.

Yeah.

That bugs me a little bit.

It does, yeah.

When people come up to us with their dog, like, can they meet?

I don't know if you've trained your dog, you know, like.

And I'll.

I'll watch her like, as well normally, ladies.

But I'll watch them and their dogs for a minute from afar and be like, okay.

Yeah, Like, I can tell that they have good.

Like, their dog is nice.

But, like, I just.

I still.

I always get nervous about it when.

We'Re walking the dogs and people want to do something like that.

We actually, we have now determined that we only do It.

One at a time, since we have two dogs.

Yeah.

So the dog.

I will hold Atlas back.

I'll just ask him to sit, and he'll watch Holly get introduced, and then we'll switch them just so the situation doesn't get overwhelmed.

But honestly.

Or if anything bad does happen, it's just one.

Like, one of our dogs is involved, but every time, it's using discernment.

So.

Yeah, but our dogs love other dogs.

We've only had one bad instance, and it was because our dogs came to someone else's house and they met at the front door.

And I don't know what happened, but Holly did not get along with.

Yeah, the other doc did not like Holly.

But I mean, he straight up, like.

I think maybe we should have made a better call and had them introduced.

Outside of the house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

And that's the thing.

Like, our dog could also have came in and been too strong, you know, like, she could have came.

She is a very dominant dog.

Exactly.

So that's what I mean.

Like, also, Jeremiah and I are more chill in that way that if a dog nipped our dogs and kind of put them in their place, she needed to be corrected.

Their dogs.

Yeah.

So that's what I mean.

Like, we weren't upset when their dog, you know, like, had his mouth around her neck.

It was kind of like, yeah, it happened.

She's was not acting appropriately.

But with socialization training, I think the biggest thing is making sure that you.

Your dog knows that you are going to protect them no matter what, and that ultimately, if they're not gentle or kind or cautious or submissive in some way, shape or form, then they're in trouble.

Yeah, they have to be.

I really agree with that.

They have to be.

What?

Sorry.

No, they just.

They have to be that way, otherwise they're taken away from the situation.

Atlas gets a lot of attention.

He.

A lot of kids love Atlas, and when we first got him, he was afraid of kids.

Yeah.

And so I learned that at a pretty early age for him.

And then.

So what I do now is I'll get on Atlas's level and I'll sit there with the kid.

And if Atlas, like, starts to walk away, I'm like, I'm sorry.

I don't think he wants to be pet right now.

Yeah, we don't force our dogs to be pet.

People read your dog's attention and also just see what he needs.

I've seen a lot of videos of people, like, try to, like, forcibly hug their dog and their dog's like pulling away and they're still doing.

It's like, like, so uncomfortable for that poor dog.

Yeah.

And the person.

And so I really think do not force your dog to socialize.

Yeah, you do have to.

Your dog should be obedient and be trained to be appropriate around people and around other dogs.

That's 100% true.

And your dog should be able to stay.

Next.

That's the biggest issue we've had with Holly.

And the one thing that we want to pay a trainer for is getting her to not get super excited and pull every time she sees a dog.

Atlas is super good, and all the training that we've done with him has worked.

And Holly used to be good until we went to the dog park.

And for some reason, ever since then, she now, like, polls every time there's another dog.

The prong collar and things like that have helped.

But I want it to be where if we're standing there and our dogs were even off, off leash for some reason, and God forbid another dog came in or if another dog ran into our house, I could sit there and tell my dogs to stay.

And I know for a fact that they will be obedient and listen to me and not react just because another dog's reacting.

So I.

Again, it's like a.

It's a safety thing for socialization training.

And, um, if more people took this seriously, I feel like especially dog parks wouldn't be such an issue.

But most people bring their dogs to dog parks because they are lazy and they haven't walked or entertained or played with their dogs all day.

So that 8 o'clock crowd and that 4 to 6 o'clock crowd where their dogs have just been waiting and super pent up and then their dogs go and then let loose and they don't pay attention to them at all.

It's infuriating.

Yeah.

And Jeremiah and I stopped going to dog parks because it untrained our dogs in many ways.

And then two, we had an aggressive situation once.

A golden.

Yeah, a golden retired retriever did not like Atlas.

And it's because this lady just refused to train her dog.

So.

And then two months later, we found out our friends had the same issue with the same dog.

I was like, yeah, I know that dog.

Yeah, that lady.

Dana Point Dog Park.

Anyway, so this, this, all this being said, training is so important, and I think this is going to be like the biggest chunk of anything that we talk about.

The next big one will probably be diet.

But training is so important because it establishes and allows the rest of what we would talk about to be possible and make it easy for you.

So that like, let's jump into environmental wellness.

Right.

If I'm using a cleaning product that I know is not safe for my dog, which most anything that's not.

Most things that are not safe for you are really not safe for your animals.

But also if you love peppermint or citrus based things, those are really bad for your dogs and they really hurt their, like, overall sensors.

If you're using a peppermint spray and you want your dogs to stay out of the house just for like, you know, the afternoon because you want it to smell yummy and Christmas Y and pepperminty, which is fine.

But if you're doing that, your dogs better be trained well enough to stay outside if you tell them to go outside without having to lock them outside or pin them outside.

So.

Because it just makes it easier for you and more enjoyable.

And then the dogs know, like, oh, guys, just outside time, time to play.

Right.

So that kind of stuff is so important.

Or if someone drops food on the ground, your dog's not rushing over.

Or oh my gosh, the videos where people on the Internet are like, laughing when they see their dog pull a turkey or a chicken or things like that off the counter.

It makes me so mad.

Like, what if those things are hot?

I've seen dogs burn their paws on countertops, on stovetops, start fires.

Yeah.

They've swallowed bones improperly.

Yeah.

That video where the dog started a fire in the kitchen because it.

Yeah.

He hit the thing.

Yeah.

There's like, if you do not have proper obedience training and training in general, you're going to make your life a living hell for you and your pet and your neighbors.

Everyone's going to not like you.

So I guess I didn't expect training to go this long, but I guess since we started talking about chemicals and environmental wellness, we can go into that a little bit.

And then we'll have to do a part two, possibly a part three for this because there's so many things to get into environmental wellness.

Any harsh chemicals, like I talked about cleaning products which can irritate your dog's skin or respiratory system or even their whiskers, their feeler things.

Yeah, whiskers.

Yeah.

Those can get burned and singed with chemicals.

Also for environmental wellness, there are tons of plants and I'm not going to list a bunch of them, but there are plants that you can have in your backyard that can be toxic to dogs and cats.

So which is great.

I mean, some of them are even toxic to rats and stuff like that.

So you can have those.

But finding out if your backyard is dog safe, it's actually really easy.

You can actually take pictures of all the plants in your backyard and reverse image search on Google what they are.

And it's almost like having like a little plant app that you'd pay for.

Yeah.

So that's like a kind of a good little hack for you.

But one of the best things that you can do is get use washing soda as a natural cleaner.

Also, vinegar is a great natural cleaner.

Do not ever mix baking soda and vinegar because they cancel each other out in their ph so it just bubbles and it doesn't actually clean anything.

And then Jeremiah used the.

What's that thing on the couch?

Vacuum?

No, the.

I mean it is a vacuum, but the water.

Oh, you're talking about a.

What is it called?

The spot cleaner.

Yeah, it's like a kind of like a steam clean.

Oh, the bissell.

It's a Bissell spot cleaner.

Yeah.

Jeremiah will use vinegar with that and it cleans and it.

Because we let our dogs go on the couch, he cleans it that way all the time.

So there, there are ways to clean that make it safe for your dogs.

And that includes.

I'm going to also add in, like when you're washing your dogs, make sure that it's chemical free.

Like Jeremiah and I use castile soap because it's all natural, it's clean.

And the one that we got though, unfortunately is lavender based.

But I haven't noticed an irritation on their skin when we use it.

But we also don't wash our dogs very often.

We brush them all the time, but we don't wash them all the time because it's bad.

It gives them dandruff if you wash them too much.

So we like also gets rid of.

Their oil and then they tend to smell more.

Yeah, you wash them too often.

Yeah.

Which if your dogs are stinky in any way, that means that there's a poor diet involved or a chemical thing happening or.

Yeah.

Lack of oil in their fur.

So you want to make sure that their outdoor space is safe, that their indoor space is safe.

And then ultimately the fragrances and things that you're putting in the air are not harsh chemicals that could affect your dogs or your family for that matter.

But most essential oils and things like that and aromatherapy, anything citrus based or menthol based, mint based.

So just look up if any of those things are in your essential oil list.

And I mean, I know it Sucks.

It does limit it a lot, but Jeremiah and I don't use essential oils very often.

But when we do, we just don't have the dogs in our bedroom at that time.

We'll shut the door and make it kind of like a yummy smell for us.

And then we open the window and enjoy it for, like, a couple hours, and then we air it out, and then.

Yeah.

C'est la vie.

So it's not bad.

A little bit is okay.

But, like, having, like, a strong menthol or citrus candle in your house can be really bad.

Luckily, we're not too into either of those.

Yeah.

So I think another thing, you know, for outdoor spaces, you're only.

Don't only consider yours.

Consider your neighbors and everyone else's.

You have no control over what they do on their property, what they spray.

Yeah.

But you do have control over your dog.

So I think when you're doing your leash training and stuff, like, make sure your dogs don't sit and smell something for too long.

And then also they have this gland inside their mouth where they lick something and they're able to smell it better.

You want to prevent that from happening as much as you can off your property, because you don't know what they're trying to understand, what they're trying to learn.

And it could be.

It could be bad.

And then you just.

You also don't know what they're picking up on.

Yeah.

Jeremiah taught them leave it.

So if they're interested in something.

But they.

Like, if they're interested in.

When Jeremiah says no, like, they're not listening, he'll strictly say, leave it.

And then they know that it's not safe.

Like, we've.

We've trained that leave it means ouch.

Yeah.

Um, we use, like, very simple words to then go into more complex phrases.

So, like, when we say leave it, we associated that with the word ouch.

Like, ouch.

And, like, we'll also be eating certain things, and you can tell that we're kind of.

They'll be interested in it.

Like chocolate.

We'll be eating that.

And I'll say, mommy, Daddy.

Okay.

Atlas, Holly, ouch.

And I'll point at the chocolate, and I'll let them sniff it.

I'll let them smell.

But then if Atlas tries to lick it, I'll go, ouch.

Leave it.

And then he.

He's now associated that that smell means ouch.

Yeah, we haven't tested it yet, but we keep doing it.

And out of repetition, we're hoping that one day we can actually test it out and see if it works.

They're like, God forbid, the wrong thing drops on the floor.

Exactly.

And.

But that's everything.

Yeah, exactly.

So it's.

It's those types of things.

It takes time, and you're not going to get it all right away.

But it's also using common words and phrases that, you know are easy and things that we knew that we would end up teaching our kids.

Yeah.

So dogs have also been a huge blessing in practicing Jeremiah and I's communication and how to simplify and then how to make things a little bit more complex when we realized our dogs really do understand that.

But now how do we convey where we're at A, B.

But how do we convey W?

Not X, Y, and Z.

We're not there yet, but W.

So, yeah, I.

Man, I thought we were going to get through a lot more today, but it looks like we're going to be breaking this up.

Yeah, let's call it right there.

And then where do you want to pick up when we get back?

Yeah.

So I definitely want to talk about herbal remedies.

I know that's going to interest people a lot.

Camo meal.

Yeah.

Camille again.

Um, and then our dogs see a chiropractor, and I do massage, and I've had to put their hips back into place.

I want to talk about that and why that even happened in the first place.

And how to prevent that.

Yeah.

How to prevent those things.

Mentalness.

And we have.

We have so many things to go over.

We kind of talked about aromatherapy, too.

So we got.

We got three categories down today.

Yeah.

Did we bring in stimulation?

That's something else we should probably.

A little bit.

But, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Everything that we mentioned at the beginning, we have a lot to talk about, so we're going to be breaking this up into a few more episodes at least.

And we're going to be interviewing also Dr.

Bates, which is going to be great.

Okay, well, thank you guys for listening.

This is fun.

Yeah.

I could talk about my dogs all day.

Let me introduce you guys to our dogs one day.

Or just jump on our Instagram, maybe.

They're always on there.

We'll try to record them howling for you guys.

All right.

We love you guys.

We hope that this was a blessing to you.

And holistically understanding what it means to be a pet owner and understanding that God also gave us a job to take care of his creation.

And that means being good.

Yeah.

Pet owners.

And also understanding how to treat animals in general.

We love you guys.

Oh one one other thing you on your Instagram you do have videos on on a lot of stuff we're talking about for the dogs for their Instagram.

Oh yeah.

And then also your Amazon account.

Oh yeah, also has a bunch of the stuff we'll be talking about on there and already things that Savannah is approved of to buy for your dogs.

Yeah.

And then also BPA free toys and also all the training stuff that we did.

Yeah that is on my Amazon account.

Which yeah if you guys want more information sooner.

Yeah there you go.

You can go cheat and kind of look at those things.

And yeah there I talked a lot about their training when the beginning of their Instagram account too.

I never thought I'd be that person but here we are.

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